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If God Were Evil,he'd Still Be Right. by asalimpo(m): 12:32am On Mar 12, 2016 |
First, this is not the case. The Bible God is good,kind, the definition of Love and He is a Judge. But assuming God were worse than all the evil men on the planet, would he be wrong? No. why? 1) God is the Creator. God created life. Created everything good we see and feel and touch , all life. All things good. By His right as creator, He has full legal right to all of his creation. Imagine if you went to a shop and bought an item. You have a receipt for the item. You can do as you like with the item. Nobody can come and tell you what to do with it. It is yours. All people could say is that you were dumb, daft, uncaring etc But it's your money. It's your labour. You can spend as you chose and do with your possession as you like. We accept this under the law. By the law, God would be justified to do as He likes with His creations!!! 2) God is accountable to no one. We are so used to a democratic leadership, that we think God hood is a democracy. First, who did God consult when creating earth? Who did God get permission from to set the planet to rotate around the sun? Nobody. Why? Because, God is the Highest being. He's bound to no one and accountable to Nobody. He could have created Hell, set fire in it. Create man. Then put man in hell to burn for years, just for His sadistic amusement!! And He would be right! - i mean completely legally justified. God's word is Law! When He said, Light be - Light became. No one, entity, force could counter or oppose Him. When man sinned, He could have left man to be born and go to hell in their droves. He didnt owe man salvation. He chose to. Because God is subject to no one, He chose to control Himself. How, by His word. He used His word to set his standard. He bound and specified His limits by His words. He magnified His word above His name. 3) God is indebted to no one We've heard of parents who brought children into the world and abandoned them to find their way in life. Or only trained the children up to say elementary school. Or parents who evicted their children out of their house to fend for themselves . They claimed that they didnt owe the children anything. That the children were adults and old enough to take care of themselves. In the same vein, God is indebted to nobody. He couldve given man , created a planet and placed him in it and very well sign out. Whatever became of man was up to man. If man cried to God , God could warn man to stop disturbing Him, that He,God, was through with man after He created him. This is harsh and brutal. But, God would still be justified. Why? Because, He is'nt legally bound to providing for man. He isnt legally bound to helping man. God doesnt need man. It's man who needs God. God owes no man , health, a job, a car etc. The only reason, why we see a benevolent , caring God in the scriptures is because, God by nature is Love, and chose to be a helper and provider to the creatures he made. Based on these factors, arguments about God's goodness are invalid. Our own legal systems condemn our arguments. |
Re: If God Were Evil,he'd Still Be Right. by tokiniofficial(m): 12:42am On Mar 12, 2016 |
owners of products take full responsibility for their products Yes God is a creator and he's made plans for everything he created, so we're just playing our scripts here |
Re: If God Were Evil,he'd Still Be Right. by AlfaSeltzer(m): 1:16am On Mar 12, 2016 |
god is evil |
Re: If God Were Evil,he'd Still Be Right. by Weah96: 1:58am On Mar 12, 2016 |
That's why ISIS and BOKO exist. They claim to be doing God's work by killing and r.aping. But you don't agree with them. You call them liars. 1 Like |
Re: If God Were Evil,he'd Still Be Right. by Shollyps(m): 6:23am On Mar 12, 2016 |
yea...that's why many people believe in hell fire...n still feel okay about it that it is right for god to throw people in hell fire forever...according to Christians...only god has the right to commit crimes...lol 1 Like |
Re: If God Were Evil,he'd Still Be Right. by Annunaki(m): 7:45am On Mar 12, 2016 |
Well the muslim god is evil and it's clearly wrong. |
Re: If God Were Evil,he'd Still Be Right. by finofaya: 7:53am On Mar 12, 2016 |
I guess you're finally admitting that morality with God is arbitrary, being subject to the whims and caprices of your deity. There is arguably no such thing as morals with God given that his actions have no moral value and what we call moral law issuing from God is merely a list of things God likes or dislikes at the moment, not things that have any moral value of their own. |
Re: If God Were Evil,he'd Still Be Right. by asalimpo(m): 8:31am On Mar 12, 2016 |
Weah96:Isis is'nt of God. Not the Bible God - the true God. |
Re: If God Were Evil,he'd Still Be Right. by asalimpo(m): 8:33am On Mar 12, 2016 |
finofaya:God can't and will not lie - isnt that morality? |
Re: If God Were Evil,he'd Still Be Right. by finofaya: 8:38am On Mar 12, 2016 |
asalimpo: It is also good for God to lie. It is right, as you say. |
Re: If God Were Evil,he'd Still Be Right. by asalimpo(m): 9:05am On Mar 12, 2016 |
finofaya:I'm saying that morality with a "God" - any entity with the power and capability to create life , create a world etc is arbitrary by reasons i stated earlier. Same applies to the Bible God. But the Bible God, chose to limit Himself,by Himself i.e using his Word. Also His very nature is Holiness and Love but in the case this wasnt so, He would still be legally justified for whatever kind of God he chose to be - good or bad. |
Re: If God Were Evil,he'd Still Be Right. by finofaya: 10:09am On Mar 12, 2016 |
asalimpo: The problem now is that holiness and love do not have any moral value different from that of sinfulness and hatred, given that there is no basis for choosing any one over any other and that any of them is the right choice for a God. You might as well say God's nature is full of sin and hatred. God limiting himself therefore amounts to nothing more than saying "I believe or declare that there are good things and bad things and I will only do those things which I believe or declare to be good." The belief or declaration is not based on the actual existence of objectively good things and bad things since nothing is actually good or bad. This brings us back to your starting point, addressing questions about the supposed goodness of God. |
Re: If God Were Evil,he'd Still Be Right. by asalimpo(m): 10:51am On Mar 12, 2016 |
finofaya: First,the bible God is Holy. There's no evil in Him. So He isnt full of sin. Your argument is skewed. If there's nothing objectively good or bad, then they'd be no issue of evil. And they'd be no basis for comparing the two and therefore no basis for criticising evil or praising good. But if he were evil, by virtue of the fact that He is God, He is legally justified in his actions-whether those acts are good or evil. Much like you can buy a laptop and throw it into the fire just because it you dont like the color-stupid but legally justified! Wasteful but legally justified. |
Re: If God Were Evil,he'd Still Be Right. by lepasharon(f): 10:56am On Mar 12, 2016 |
asalimpo: Who told you the Bible God is the true God? |
Re: If God Were Evil,he'd Still Be Right. by asalimpo(m): 11:13am On Mar 12, 2016 |
lepasharon:The bible actually. They are claims the bible makes ,satan hasn't made (you know satan is the inventor of all other religions), because if he made them he'd be legally culpable. he ,satan, tactfully and *truthfully* ironically, desists from making those statements so that his victim's will be without excuse when faced with the consequences of their wrong/willful decisions. A careful and open minded study of the bible will convince any one that that book was never and can never be man inspired. Second, is the witness of the Holy spirit - but this will likely be over your head. Third are real life experiences- but this is not as credible as the other two, I admit. |
Re: If God Were Evil,he'd Still Be Right. by finofaya: 12:36pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
asalimpo: But if holiness has any moral value, it is an arbitrary value. God can decide to be evil and still be right, as you say. This means that being either holy or unholy have the same moral value or at best arbitrarily different moral values. God can be good even if he is full of sin, because what is good is merely provisionally good. That's why I said it doesn't make any difference to God's goodness if he is full of sin. Your position is actually one that rules out objective good and evil since, firstly, one same action can be good or bad depending on whether it was carried out by God or man and next, an act is only bad if God says it is bad. An objectively bad thing is bad no matter who does it or decrees it. That's why I said we have come back to your starting point of addressing the supposed goodness of God. I suppose you are now comparing laptops to human beings. God sees us as laptops, abi? Our having consciousness does not make us entitled to better treatment than laptops, does it? God is only interested in how much mightier than us he is. Since issues of legality are not appropriate to a supernatural deity I'm assuming you mean moral justification. I have to disagree that one person is morally justified in treating another person anyhow they please, even torturing and killing said person, just because one is in a position of power over the other. That is a rather psychopathic justification for bad conduct and I should be surprised that you're willing to excuse your deity with it but I know better. You're either a psychopath yourself or you're in so much fear of Yahweh, who you say is love, that all you can manage is sycophancy. |
Re: If God Were Evil,he'd Still Be Right. by asalimpo(m): 2:16pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
finofaya: |
Re: If God Were Evil,he'd Still Be Right. by Nobody: 3:18pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
Shollyps:Those who are not okay with hell fire are already doing the following: 1) creating escape ruth for themselves 2) issuing insultive words to God 3)disagree with his existence 4) they call good evil and evil good. This is good for them, but i will highly be disappointed if all this does not save them from hell. |
Re: If God Were Evil,he'd Still Be Right. by finofaya: 3:24pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
You meant actual legal right. With respect to a supernatural deity. Oh well. |
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