sunshine1974:
all u mentioned has nothing to do with sacrifice......we just keep changing definitions to suit our beliefs.......smh

Sacrifices, in this age, unlike in the old testament, are spiritual. Because God is Spirit. So are we. If a sacrifice does not come from the spirit, it's a waste of time.

1 Peter 2:5 |
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Praise is a sacrifice; Incense has always been a sacrifice,

Jeremiah 17:26 |
And they shall come from the cities of Judah, and from the places about Jerusalem, and from the land of Benjamin, and from the plain, and from the mountains, and from the south, bringing burnt offerings, and sacrifices, and meat offerings, and incense, and bringing sacrifices of praise, unto the house of the LORD.

So you see, men are priests offering sacrifices/worship to the wrong entities.

By praise, am refering to both words of praises. and song

Honour as sacrifice; This is how in the heavens, God is venerated, on earth too. Offer honour to God.... it's something you give as a gift. An offering.


Revelation 5:12 |
Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

bankybobo11:


But whatever God did not change concerning the old testament, it is meant to stand. Eg men were allowed to marry many wives in the OT but Jesus came to modify to one man one wife. Jesus didn't say we should stop paying tithe.

Did Jesus ask couples who just had sex to stay away from church? Are couples staying away from church after an early morning quickie just because the Old Testament says so? Did Jesus condemn the woman caught in the act of adultery? No! Does it mean that people should continue because Christ pardoned the woman? Kindly refer to my post and read the one on tithing and please channel your strength to Leviticus and see if you're observing any of the Laws there.

Sanchez01:

I agree with the latter part of your submission. However we need to look at some things critically to drive home our point. Adultery was not condemned by Christ when a woman who was caught in the act was brought forth. He didn't condemn her like everyone wanted Him to. Is that enough justification to say adultery is not a sin because Christ didn't condemn it?

In other words. ....? Finish ur statement rather dan leave it ambiguous for anoda confused fellow to rephrase

Tithe is biblical. If u no wan pay leave am. Some pple dont even pay d complete one-tenth yet dey whine n whine
Tithe is btw an individual n his God. So if any1 feels his God does not deserve it to each his own.
Out of all his mercies wich we cannot buy.....tithe is an appreciation cos it cannot buy miracles n blessings

Chukzyfcb:
Do you know that the old system of praticing tithe, indicates
- You should eat your tithe @ some point
- Give to the widows & needy

Also do you know that abraham didt tithe from his property but from the spoils of war?

Also you cannot say Jacob tithe, Jacob made a request to God(made a vow) in return for 10% if granted. That's no tithe!

Do you know that the only priest required to collect tithe are Levite priest. Christ is from the judah tribe. Even if we were to pay tithe, christ is not ALLOWED to accept tithe!

I remember Pastor chrisoyahkilome once said, He never believed in tithe, he said he was strongly an Opposition until he got into the ministry....I.e Pastor chris embraced tithe coz he was now into Pastoral duties where it'll be favourable to accept tithes.......

Gbam!!!

Great work! Never looked at it from these angles.

Bonj:


The ace up their sleave is "Touch not my anointed and do my prophet no harm".
The congregation is led to believe their is propitiation of sorts in active church activities, better still, in paying obeisance to the so-called man of God.

Last i heard anybody preach the story of Ananias and Saphira - a classic example of what present day fellowship should be, was over 30 years ago.

I once stood up,dusted my bible and walked out of a popular church in the Oregun axis 'cos the crap from the pulpit stank on that day. Oh yeah, that was my last day.

Funny, "touch not my anointed is every pastor's friend". God help us all.

Sanchez01:

Did Jesus ask couples who just had sex to stay away from church? Are couples staying away from church after an early morning quickie just because the Old Testament says so? Did Jesus condemn the woman caught in the act of adultery? No! Does it mean that people should continue because Christ pardoned the woman? Kindly refer to my post and read the one on tithing and please channel your strength to Leviticus and see if you're observing any of the Laws there.

Simply put....Christ condemned it biko. But dat is where he taught forgiveness.
"Go n sin no more" D mob wanted to stone her to death buh christ remined dem dat they also hav committed others sins including adultery at 1 point in deir lives too.
Christ also condemned it wrn he was asked about divorce. ....in as much as God hates divorce. So it means we shld refrain from adultery wich may lead to divorce wich God hates.

And to all the philosophers I see here lol God brings d counsel of d wise to nothingness. Pray for ministrations b4 reading ur bible. The words r deep n some in parables n literal illustrations.
Cos I see a lot of confused posts

malvisguy212:
you are correct bro, but for what I read , the early church leader never for once associated the pagan practice with christmas, they were only influence by the date setting.

Actually, most of the customs associated with Christmas are directly linked with the pagan celebration. E.g,Christmas tree, exchanging gifts, carols etc. The only thing that really changed was the name

if tithing is defined by one-tenth of the item then it started with Jacob but if it is defined by the first turn out of the item,it started with Cain n Abel in Gen 4:3~4.
the analysis of tithe giving is clearly stated in Gen 20:22~30
remember it's the same bible that said whatever is banned on earth is banned in heaven n whatever is accepted on earth is accepted in heaven.
open ur mind n let God's spirit lead u in d right path.

ojoyentalk:
Tithing started with Abraham
Jacob continued it
Jesus commended it

Thank you sir. Jesus commended it. This is good that you do, but don't do this alone, dont pay your Tithe and neglect the others. Also show Mercy, exercise your faith, judge justly, etc. Why does this seem to the Christians like abolishment of Tithing?

@op, I needed you to tell us why I can't take my very handsome and rich senior brother as my husband? Why can't I marry my young father. There are a lot of things commanded to be observed in the O.T that are not reterieted in the new testament, but we still observe those ordinances? Why are we against giving? Even when Apostle Paul in Hebrews 7 spent time to address this Tithe issue, why are we still against giving?

Today I saw something in the Bible, in psalm 106:36-37. And they serve their idols (the heathens, 'unbelievers'), which were a snare unto them, (the Israelites)
Yea, they (heathens) SACRIFIED THEIR SONS AND THEIR DAUGHTERS unto Devils (their god's).

The heathens sacrifice their children, their own lovely children to their god's, you are rigorously fighting the 10% out of 100%. No wonder some Christians don't believe that wealth can be gotten without cutting a deal with Satan.
To make wealth, you must cheat, lie, steal, sacrifice to Devils, very costly sacrifices. God says bring 10%, just 10%, you wear your boxing gloves to fight it. Your mind and reason takes leave of you. It shouldn't be so.
So many here who call themselves Christians, still visit marine prophets and Prophetess, Babalawos to excel in business, why shd this be, when a way is provided for us?

What is the evil in Tithing?

We stand back and hail the Jews for their Archivements, why won't we ask what they are doing to be so outstanding? Are they more hardworking than you? Are they more intelligent?

Are there still levites amongst the Jews today? Why then do they still hold the ordinances of Tithing and First fruits vigorously?

I see Satan in the details here. The word says, Give and it shall be given back to you. It doesn't matter who gives or who you give to. Giving in any form or pattern will yield returns to your account.
Tithing Commits God to your labour.
Besides, Tithe is a debt, that's why you PAY it.
You are fighting yourself.

DonaTee:


In other words. ....? Finish ur statement rather dan leave it ambiguous for anoda confused fellow to rephrase

Tithe is biblical. If u no wan pay leave am. Some pple dont even pay d complete one-tenth yet dey whine n whine
Tithe is btw an individual n his God. So if any1 feels his God does not deserve it to each his own.
Out of all his mercies wich we cannot buy.....tithe is an appreciation cos it cannot buy miracles n blessings

What is there to finish? The post is as direct as anything. So your tithe is because you appreciate God? Your own faith is thick. Please read Malachi 3.

effty:
"Whatever He tells you, do it." Did u read the passage u quoted up to that end?

I didn't say she performed the miracle,but her intercession was what prompted Jesus into performing the miracle. She was address as being blessed among women by Angel Gabriel and pple sees her as a normal woman. If only pple can bear it when their mum is reffered to as common.

Advans:


there is nothing bad in choosing a date to celebrate birth but if u go down history lane, u will realize dt Dec 25 is a special day in Rome for celebrating an idol called MARS. D early Christians joined dem in d celebration and associate it wt d birth of Christ. Hence they formed CHRISTMAS frm christ-mars. Jst as d current Christians try to lured ppl into Christianity by advertising solution to hunger, poverty, barrenness e.t.c

No, bro. December 25th was used to celebrate the Roman God Saturnalia. When Christianity was made a state religion in the Roman empire, there was a lot of substitution in the Roman traditions to make the common heathen accustomed to the new religion. Images and statues of idols were replaced with that of Christ, Mary and other apostles. The day of Saturnalia was replaced with the worship of Christ etc. 'Mass' as a word means celebration that's why there is also one called Michaelmas(Celebration of Angel Michael). Good day

Muafrika2:

Mary, like other dead prophets, because I sincerely believe she was a prophet, is dead. We do have an intercessor. His name is Christ. So when you pray through Mary, should she also relay the prayer through Christ in whose name we are instructed to pray?

John 14:13 |
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

This applies to all prayers made through beatified catholic "saints."

We ask her to intercede and take our request to his son JESUS who will channel it to God. Mother's request is hardly declined by the good child.

Sanchez01:

Did Jesus ask couples who just had sex to stay away from church? Are couples staying away from church after an early morning quickie just because the Old Testament says so? Did Jesus condemn the woman caught in the act of adultery? No! Does it mean that people should continue because Christ pardoned the woman? Kindly refer to my post and read the one on tithing and please channel your strength to Leviticus and see if you're observing any of the Laws there.

But neither did Jesus commend the woman. I'm in agreement with all your points except that of tithe. I'm not cut out for arguing bible misconceptions though

www.bibleanswerstand.org/tithing2.htm I think this covers everything I like to believe on the tithe thing

www.stewardshipministries.org/tithing-is-not-a-christian-doctrine-russell-earl-kelly-phd/ and this.

linusbnn:



We ask her to intercede and take our request to his son JESUS who will channel it to God. Mother's request is hardly declined by the good child.

The wall of perdition has been removed.
We direct access to God through the Blood shed of JESUS
The ONLY acceptable name before God is JESUS
I was one time President of CYON

Sanchez01:

No one said so. What Abraham paid wasn't tithe in the real sense of it. It was tribute to Melchizedek who was not only a priest but also a king. In the New Testament, tribute paying became tax, which Jesus similarly demonstrated. Abraham never negotiated with God concerning tithing and the Bible was clear on Abraham's because it says "and Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek".

wt about malakai 3:8-10?

Sanchez01:

I'm very conversant with the passage and I've had a lot of persons who tend to justify the "honour" of Mary by referring me to that passage. In verse 4 or so, Jesus referred to the "Holy Mother" as WOMAN, DIRECTLY. There's a template in getting to God and it's through Jesus. There's a template in getting to Jesus Christ and it's through the Holy Spirit. Mary has no business interceding because she is not a deity. She was a human who had long gone. You don't honour the dead. The mother of Jesus Christ you mentioned gave birth to other children. Sorry, she had a man who slept with her and she conceived her other children through sexual means. That is no mark of a deity.

Give me the name of one of the other children of mary. At the cross, jesus handed over Mary to John the beloved and said mother this is your child and child this is your mother,if there are other children of mary,why will jesus take total possession of her in handling her to john?. Please read John 19:25-27.

You tried but your Theological approach to all the topics you raised are WRONG AND MYOPIC! even the Philosophy is shallow for great minds. Anyway nice try but study more for better understanding of some things.
WHAT A CHILD DOESNT UNDERSTAND HE CALL 'NAMES'. Goodday

If you are not pleased with celebrating Christmas on the 25th of Dec. you are free to choose any other day, what's important is celebrate it in righteousness. Come to think of it, if Dec. 25th was dedicated to celebrate idol in the days of ignorance what is wrong with choosing same day to celebrate the living God. To me it means the defeat of satan. Praise God!

Sanchez01:

Everyone loves Christmas. I love it. But the big question is[b] why December 25, the same as the celebration date of a Roman god?[/b] Christianity adopted a pagan practice here. Please ignore Paul's assertion. Were there Pagan practices in the Old Testament? Yes? And most of them corrupted the then Israel. Saul and Solomon are too few examples of people pagan practices corrupted. The big problem is here is Constantine, the then Roman Emperor who merged Pagan practices with Christian ways. Everybody loves Christmas, we celebrate Christ, perhaps, but is the day really the birth day of Christ? No!

why sunday for church service a day dedicated to the roman sungod

rev2214:

The wall of perdition has been removed.
We direct access to God through the Blood shed of JESUS
The ONLY acceptable name before God is JESUS
I was one time President of CYON

If you like be the past pope,it does not make u a Mr.Right. I was an alter server and I went through my catechism with the zeal to know. Mary is the mother of Jesus and she has shown her way of interceding for us as recorded in the marriage feast at CANA. She was reffered to as blessed among women and that she has found favour in the eyes of God by Angel Gabriel. Blessed is the man who is favoured by God. Read through the agony of jesus,his way to the cross and see how fervently she followed up to the death of his son and you feel his son will just abandon her pleads?. May she intercede for you. She is also the Queen of Heaven

Advans:


there is nothing bad in choosing a date to celebrate birth but if u go down history lane, u will realize dt Dec 25 is a special day in Rome for celebrating an idol called MARS. D early Christians joined dem in d celebration and associate it wt d birth of Christ. Hence they formed CHRISTMAS frm christ-mars. Jst as d current Christians try to lured ppl into Christianity by advertising solution to hunger, poverty, barrenness e.t.c

Just a little correction here. The early Christians never joined the celebration of Christ's birthday nor adopted it. There is a misconception between the true early Christians and the false Christians. When constantine declared that everyone in the Roman empire were now Christians, the true Christians automoatically became a kind of "minority Christians". These never accepted nor adopted the pagan practices. But over centuries, the false Christians became like the normal representation of Christianity. The true Christians though, have always been and will always be there. They are called the remnant

spacohill3:
You tried but your Theological approach to all the topics you raised are WRONG AND MYOPIC! even the Philosophy is shallow for great minds. Anyway nice try but study more for better understanding of some things.
WHAT A CHILD DOESNT UNDERSTAND HE CALL 'NAMES'. Goodday

The wise should share their wisdom too with the fool and narrow minded. Some people like to keep (secret) of so called good things for themself so they can enslave others. If you've something to say then say it to educate others.

Make a deep analysis of the quoted scriptures nd nt a superficial one. She is blessed among all women for bin d vessel through which the Saviour came to the world. Mind yu, before the pregnancy she was nt regarded as such. Deborah was also a blessed woman.

P.S: Stop all those ending ur postulations with "wat if it was ur mother?" I wonder if that is the only reasonable argument Catholic faithfuls ve got. Kip ur emotions aside nd learn

linusbnn:



I didn't say she performed the miracle,but her intercession was what prompted Jesus into performing the miracle. She was address as being blessed among women by Angel Gabriel and pple sees her as a normal woman. If only pple can bear it when their mum is reffered to as common.

linusbnn:


If you like be the past pope,it does not make u a Mr.Right. I was an alter server and I went through my catechism with the zeal to know. Mary is the mother of Jesus and she has shown her way of interceding for us as recorded in the marriage feast at CANA. She was reffered to as blessed among woman and that she has found favour in the eyes of God by Angel Gabriel. Blessed is the man who is favoured by God. Read through the agony of jesus,his way to the cross and see how fervently she followed up to the death of his son and you feel his son will just abandon her pleads?. May she intercede for you.

Jesus Himself denied that Mary as His mother. First, when he was twelve years old, he told both Mary and Joseph that he had to go do His father's will. Obviously referring to a different father. When once Mary and his other brothers came to look for Him and someone informed Him that his mother and brothers were around, He said clearl, "Who is my Mother and brothers? Those who ae listening to me are my mother and brothers".

Again, when he was on the cross, He looked down and saw John and Mary and said to them "Son behold thy mother and mother, behold thy son".

Again, at the upper room, Mary had to wait like every other person to receive the Holy Spirit. There was no special treatment for Mary as mother of Jesus.

What is most heretical though is the term, mother of God. God has no mother. Mother of God is a heathen/pagan title giving to the goddess semiramis or astheroth. It is pure idol worship. Those who call Mary the mother of God also call her the queen of heaven. Heaven has no queen. Jesus even said to us clearly that in heaven, there are no males no females.

analice107:

Thank you sir. Jesus commended it. This is good that you do, but don't do this alone, dont pay your Tithe and neglect the others. Also show Mercy, exercise your faith, judge justly, etc. Why does this seem to the Christians like abolishment of Tithing?

Kindly share a verse where Christ commended tithing.

@op, I needed you to tell us why I can't take my very handsome and rich senior brother as my husband? Why can't I marry my young father. There are a lot of things commanded to be observed in the O.T that are not reterieted in the new testament, but we still observe those ordinances? Why are we against giving? Even when Apostle Paul in Hebrews 7 spent time to address this Tithe issue, why are we still against giving?

I don't know why some people enjoy telling lies against the Bible. Hebrews 7 is a recap of the Old Testament account. And note, Levite were mentioned. So, please, in your own way, explain how Paul addressed tithing and how Christians should pay it in the New dispensation.

The heathens sacrifice their children, their own lovely children to their god's, you are rigorously fighting the 10% out of 100%. No wonder some Christians don't believe that wealth can be gotten without cutting a deal with Satan.
To make wealth, you must cheat, lie, steal, sacrifice to Devils, very costly sacrifices. God says bring 10%, just 10%, you wear your boxing gloves to fight it. Your mind and reason takes leave of you. It shouldn't be so.

You're referring to Malachi 3:7-8. It's tiring really to explain this time and time again. Are you a Jew? Your pastor asking for tithes, is he a Levite from the tribe of Israel? Have you ever bought what your souls lusts after with your money to eat in form of tithe as commanded by God in Leviticus? Mosaic Laws died with the introduction of the New Testament, save a few that was modified.

So many here who call themselves Christians, still visit marine prophets and Prophetess, Babalawos to excel in business, why shd this be, when a way is provided for us?

This is off topic.

What is the evil in Tithing?

There's no evil in it, Just one of the many Old Testament practices that died in the New but was in a way revived so pastors will not starve, since the offerings are not enough.

Are there still levites amongst the Jews today? Why then do they still hold the ordinances of Tithing and First fruits vigorously?

First fruits started with Jacob and Esau and not the Jews per say. It did not start because Levites could feed from it. First fruits were to God exclusively.

I see Satan in the details here. The word says, Give and it shall be given back to you. It doesn't matter who gives or who you give to. Giving in any form or pattern will yield returns to your account.
Tithing Commits God to your labour.

You are not seeing right, sorry. The Word talks of giving and being given back, but not tithe. It was offering. It was no mistake that Christ ignored tithing in His teachings. Giving in form of any Patterson yields, yes, but please, do not bundle offering, first fruits, giving to the needy and giving to the cause of God into one because they are all different.

Besides, Tithe is a debt, that's why you PAY it.
You are fighting yourself.

Pastors love it when they make you feel you're guilty and unworthy to come before God. Tithing is NOT a debt. It was a compulsory practice to make sure that Levites were eating and feeding well at the expense of others, and this is because God commanded them not to have any part of the inheritance of Israel. Jesus Christ was from the tribe of Judah. It would have been very easy for Him to pay tithes just so He could demonstrate that Levites were at a disadvantage and needed to be looked after. Please ponder on this and don't respond like a dogmatic Christian. These so called pastors would not even tell you there different kinds of tithes. I'm so sure you don't know this. What pastors understand is "bring money". I perform my other obligations, ranging from giving to offerings and so on. Tithing as a practice is long gone but pastors won't tell you this because it would affect them in a horrible way.

linusbnn:


If you like be the past pope,it does not make u a Mr.Right. I was an alter server and I went through my catechism with the zeal to know. Mary is the mother of Jesus and she has shown her way of interceding for us as recorded in the marriage feast at CANA. She was reffered to as blessed among woman and that she has found favour in the eyes of God by Angel Gabriel. Blessed is the man who is favoured by God. Read through the agony of jesus,his way to the cross and see how fervently she followed up to the death of his son and you feel his son will just abandon her pleads?. May she intercede for you.

Yes, she is mother of JESUS
Yes God chose her and she is blessed among women.
But God did all of that to set man free from looking up to other human in worship.
That is why the blood of JESUS was shed for sins.
And we are free to approach God directly.
And she can't intercede for me because she is not a priest.
Only priest intercede for people.

seunselGic:
If you are not pleased with celebrating Christmas on the 25th of Dec. you are free to choose any other day, what's important is celebrate it in righteousness. Come to think of it, if Dec. 25th was dedicated to celebrate idol in the days of ignorance what is wrong with choosing same day to celebrate the living God. To me it means the defeat of satan. Praise God!

Actually, there is no where in the bible that we are supposed to celebrate the birth of Christ. No where. There is a reason the birth of Christ celebration was introduced. It is pure a pagan and devilish reason. We are supposed to celebrate the feasts of God, not som eman made celebrations

Sanchez01:

Everyone loves Christmas. I love it. But the big question is why December 25, the same as the celebration date of a Roman god? Christianity adopted a pagan practice here. Please ignore Paul's assertion. Were there Pagan practices in the Old Testament? Yes? And most of them corrupted the then Israel. Saul and Solomon are too few examples of people pagan practices corrupted. The big problem is here is Constantine, the then Roman Emperor who merged Pagan practices with Christian ways. Everybody loves Christmas, we celebrate Christ, perhaps, but is the day really the birth day of Christ? No!

I don't know how u see it buh the important thing there is the significance of the birth of christ. If a day set aside for a roman god has now been converted to celebrate the birth of our lord Jesus then its a wonderful thing. As long as the significance of Jesus christ's birth is know then its a good thing

rev2214:

Yes, she is mother of JESUS
Yes God chose her and she is blessed among women.
But God did all of that to set man free from looking up to other human in worship.
That is why the blood of JESUS was shed for sins.
And we are free to approach God directly.
And she can't intercede for me because she is not a priest.
Only priest intercede for people.

Where is mary?