malvisguy212:
@. I agree with everything you said except christmas, the day of christ birth may be unknown, but First, a person who was born on February 29 (leap year) only celebrate his birthday after 4 years, is it sinful to chose another day to celebrate it ? Or if your birthday fall on saturday (saturn) will you celebrate it ? In 1 corinthians 8 paul is saying we should not in anyway aknowlegde this pagan gods exist.

Is there any record of Christmas celebration in the Bible?

thesicilian:
On the issue of tithes, a lot of people might disagree with you as you have already anticipated.
First tithing did not begin with Jacob, it began with Abraham, when he gave tithes to Melchizedek the priest of the Most High. (Genesis 14:20)
And we're somewhat bound to follow the acts of our great patriarch if we are to enjoy his blessings as ''seeds of Abram''

But the new testament views on tithing are issues of continuing research to me, one would think that for such an important issue as tithing (as our pastors make it out to be), the New Testament Bible would be pretty clear on its stand but this is not the case

Actually, the Bible sheds some light.

A tenth part of your earnings is no longer required by God. Of course he expects you to contribute ANYTHING YOUR RESOLVE IN YOUR HEART for his work (maybe to take care of properties and all that). See what Paul said at 2 Cor 9:7

This's really a heated and important arguement. I commend the op and everyone bearing their mind with scriptural references. Let the revelations continue...

winner01:
Forget constantine or rome. God created all days. Jesus can be celebrated anyday even if it clashes with the islamic Eid festivals. 25, 31, 1 anyday is okay for me. Personally, i stay at home and eat turkey on the 25th, i can shift that to 27th. Its not like it means anything, the main point and focus is to serve and praise God.

1. Nowhere in Bible record is the celebration of Christmas found. Are you not worried that a celebration that was not mentioned in the Bible and has associations with pagans is being celebrated? You need to be open minded about this.

2. It means something. Read Isaiah 1:14

halexito:

You're too much my brother. Just what I wanted to say! God owns all days. Forget about Mars, it's just a planet. Who do people celebrate on 25th of December? Mars?! We celebrate the birth of the son of God. So. Simple!

Read Isaiah 1:13,14

Sanchez01:

Let me break your heart a bit. Prophet Isaiah, Micah, and John the Baptist all foretold the coming of Christ. Before Mary was conceived of the Holy Ghost, she was confused, lost and greatly afraid as she had no idea what was to happen?


Joseph, on the other hand was ashamed and disappointed in Mary after it was discovered that she was pregnant and was planning on putting her away (dumping her) when an angel persuaded him to stay with her.

This negates your earlier assertion in which you claimed Mary had long been prepared for the legendary role she was to play. Worshipping or honouring Mary while believing she will intercede is not strong put her in the immortal role she is enjoying in some Christian churches.

Nobody knws what plan God has for him/her until it is fulfilled. Mary's mission was already prophesied long b4 her conceive of jesus. "I will put a barren between the woman and the serpent". I will give you the chapter when I get home sorry

To all of you that are defending the worship of Mary: Why have you bluntly refused to obey The Bible's COMMAND?

Jesus himself said that worship should go to God ALONE. it's in the Bible... Luke 4:8..Its simple and clear. Worship God ALONE

I totally agree with your statements, but I would Like to add to two of them.
Firstly, you have rightly pointed out that church wedding is not biblical, and while I agree let me ask. After marrying traditionally (the true marriage) is it wrong to go before God, in the church with fellow brothers and sisters in christ to get wedded if only for ceremonial purposes??

Secondly, I have always known that Christmas( dec 25th) is not the true birth date of christ and has pagan origins. However, it has not stopped me from celebrating xmas. It is a special holiday that I try to enjoy especially as I have no business with its origin as long as there are no present pagan practices. Since it isnt biblical it should be left out of the church though and people should just see it as a period to let off steam and be merry. it shouldn't be taken too seriously.

linusbnn:



Nobody knws what plan God has for him/her until it is fulfilled. Mary's mission was already prophesied long b4 her conceive of jesus. "I will put a barren between the woman and the serpent". I will give you the chapter when I get home sorry

Sorry, Mary's mission was never prophesied by anyone. What you're quoting is actually the curse God put on the serpent for beguiling Eve. Eve and Mary are not the same.

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

- Gen 3:15
Would be waiting for the passage though.

Bobbybube:
I totally agree with your statements, but I would Like to add to two of them.
Firstly, you have rightly pointed out that church wedding is not biblical, and while I agree let me ask. After marrying traditionally (the true marriage) is it wrong to go before God, in the church with fellow brothers and sisters in christ to get wedded if only for ceremonial purposes??

Secondly, I have always known that Christmas( dec 25th) is not the true birth date of christ and has pagan origins. However, it has not stopped me from celebrating xmas. It is a special holiday that I try to enjoy especially as I have no business with its origin as long as there are no present pagan practices. Since it isnt biblical it should be left out of the church though and people should just see it as a period to let off steam and be merry. it shouldn't be taken too seriously.

No, going before God for prayers after you're married is not wrong. The church should be able to pray along with you and your new wife on the journey ahead.

Exactly my point. The church should take out the Christmas celebration as it had been taken too seriously.

Dear naira landers, the truth 7s the things of God cannot be rationalized by man. It takes the wisdom of God to righly follow. His ways are not are our ways. Natural things are always at varians with spiritual matters. The hardest thing for man to do is serve his God (god - depending on your belief) substance. The devil, who copys God in a negative, demands man's substance greedily. Service to the true God demands sacrifices. Remember God almight is a Spirit and those that serve Him must serve Him in truth and in spirit.Tithing and offerings is an eternal commandment. It only calls for our obedience. Endeavour however to sow in a good land. It is a proof of our love. For God LOVED the world that He GAVE His ONLY begotten son. Carnal is naturally selfish.Mind you, God is not kn need. If you don't tithe and do offerings, you will , earn it the ard way. May God grant us divine wisdom!

sanchez01 God bless you plenty

I totally enjoyed going through this thread devoid of insults but sound and factual arguments.

Sanchez01 nice one.

poik:



Some of your points are valid, but my excitement ebbed when you mentioned marriage and tithing.
How can you say Christ will not be happy with church marriage, when He said in all you do, do in the name of Jesus Christ (Col. 3:17)? where else would that happen, save for the church and by an officiating minister?

About tithing.
For your information, tithing is NOT an Old Testament commandment.
The first person who paid tithes was Abraham, and he was not a Jew. Rather his offspring formed the Jewish root. Again, he did it out of conscience, and not of compulsion. it was because men did not do it willingly that God made it a law in the Levitical days.
Check people who do not pay tithes. Gods word cannot lie. there is one way or the other that same amount is taken from them. do so carefully and conscientiously. the devourers God promised in Malachi 3 WILL NOT go unless that commandment is obeyed. God is not our mate.

How come we don't stone adulterers as God's word cannot lie.Brother set yourself free.
Hebrews even states that old covenant is obsolete.Give to God cheerfully end of story.

I pray for the day people will understand what Abrahimic Covenant,Mosaic Law,Sermon on the Mount and New Covenant are.Christianity is not a mixture it's a new living way instituted by Christ in that what the law could not do He did by becoming the way once you go back to mosaic law you are bound to fulfill all.
Let me ask you,is tithing the only thing God put a curse on in the Bible,there is a curse on every wrong thing in the old covenant.So brother as we do wrong everyday that's means we are cursed and condemned everyday,that's the whole point of grace[We are not cursed anymore.]You can never fulfill the law it's impossible.

Abraham paid to tithe fine,is it a command or out if His freewill?
Noah built a ark,should I start building an ark?

David or Solomon,I don't remember gave a thousand burnt offerings Shuld I start slaughtering rams and say Solomon did it?

Let's understand scripture!!!!

The 1st century non-Jewish Christians who lived in the time of the Apostles were never required to partake in any Jewish ordinance apart from the listed points in Acts 15.If circumcision wasn't needed to be a Christian in the 1st century church or not eating the unclean animals listed in the Levitical laws why is tithing that was not the headlining point needed
The tithe was needed for the Levites in the temple who had no land or other means of income to survive on.
You are a Christian and not a Jew practicing Judaism.

Don't let people that depend on money scare with Malachi3:10.
There was a curse on every wrong act in the Old Covenant and they could never attain righteousness unless for a few David etc, until Jesus was able to make a perfect living way through His death on the Cross and as soon as we go back to the legalistic way of the law we are again guilty and condemned.
So if you think giving God 10% is you doing your part, you are WRONG as God wants to control every last penny of your money.

thesicilian:
On the issue of tithes, a lot of people might disagree with you as you have already anticipated.
First tithing did not begin with Jacob, it began with Abraham, when he gave tithes to Melchizedek the priest of the Most High. (Genesis 14:20)
And we're somewhat bound to follow the acts of our great patriarch if we are to enjoy his blessings as ''seeds of Abram''

But the new testament views on tithing are issues of continuing research to me, one would think that for such an important issue as tithing (as our pastors make it out to be), the New Testament Bible would be pretty clear on its stand but this is not the case

Is abraham a Christian?

Sanchez01:

True, and that is because a lot of people will not just change their minds on what they have been taught from childhood till date. Again to hammer on it, why didn't Christ demonstrate it when He was able to pay tax to Caesar's government? He taught us to pray, to forgive, to give, to intercede for others and even to give towards the work of God, but never made a single teaching on tithing? As big as the New Testament is, there is not a single teaching on tithing. What does this tell us? Unfortunately, some pastors realize this but they will never preach it because it;s like preaching their very own death.

Even the concept of paying tithe in the Old Testament made it known that the Levites, the tribe from Levi are to eat and feast from the people's tithes because God commanded them not to have a land like in the inheritance of Israel every other tribe had. They had no lands, they did not farm and they did not rear cattles. So if the Levites had access to the tithes based on God's instruction, why then did Christ not preach about it in the new phase? Simple, because there are no Levites in our midst again. The Pastor who has a full time job has turned himself to a Levite despite his many landed properties and cars. He cannot preach the truth in this regard because that is his primary source of income.

Kai this boy! I am a pastor, I don't EAT tithe, it belongs to God! Have you given me your tithe before? You wrote this because you are guilty of not paying tithe abi? Be careful, lest you be another bad christian!

ogunsam75:


Is abraham a Christian?

Abraham lived before Christ so, no.
What's your point

winningwinner:


Kai this boy! I am a pastor, I don't EAT tithe, it belongs to God! Have you given me your tithe before? You wrote this because you are guilty of not paying tithe abi? Be careful, lest you be another bad christian!

Hahahahahaha! Could you please share what you do with it sir since you don't eat it? I used to pay tithe until recently. So by not paying tithe I am a bad Christian? Interesting. The tithe has never been God's to begin with. But since you say it belongs to God, how do you get it to God if it is not eaten?

Sanchez01:

Hahahahahaha! Could you please share what you do with it sir since you don't eat it? I used to pay tithe until recently. So by not paying tithe I am a bad Christian? Interesting. The tithe has never been God's to begin with. But since you say it belongs to God, how do you get it to God if it is not eaten?

when you give your offerings to God how does he get it?

Hahahahah
Christian ar all suffering from the spiritual cos Allah has cos dem all, it says
'' them christian are spiritual deaf, dumb and blind, no matter how simpl, easy and clear the truth u tell them they wil never hear or how lucid the truth u show them they wl never see except of them that Allah has guide to the truth''
Am asking all christians where did bible said Jesus is the biological son of God?
Bible said we are all children of God does that mean God is our Father hann mr/mrs christians?
Children can grow to be son or daughter so that mean we are also son of God and daughter of God does that mean God is our Father?
No verse or chapter in any bibles that said jesus is the biological son of God.
Clear example is some pastors are called father too by there fellow church members does that mean the pastor is there biological father mr,mrs christians?
An old man or woman aged like ur father can call u his or her son or daughter that does not mean he or she is ur biological father or mother
thank u mr and mrs christians i suggested its time u accept and searche for the whole truth
its only in bible u wil read a simpl ordinary sentence not idioms, not proverb and not indirect sentence and them pastors and christians will be deceiving them selves that the meaning of the verse is deferent from sentence dat make d vers how stop deceiving ur selves my brother and sisters instead u should be searching for the true meaning of the verses and chapters not d false mean ur pastors ar giving you
tanks ya all.

pete26:
when you give your offerings to God how does he get it?

He said he doesn't EAT tithe as a pastor and I'm curious to know what he does with it then.

Ubenedictus:
God the son had a mother gal 4:4 God sent his son born of a woman

The day God has a mother, he stops being God. That is a pagan concept. If you serve a Good that has a mother, you are an idol worshipper

winningwinner:


Kai this boy! I am a pastor, I don't EAT tithe, it belongs to God! Have you given me your tithe before? You wrote this because you are guilty of not paying tithe abi? Be careful, lest you be another bad christian!

Offerings and tithe are giving to take care of men, not God. The only kind of offering giving to God had to be burnt. God does not eat human food

pete26:
when you give your offerings to God how does he get it?

He doesn't get it. He doesn't need it. The only offering he takes is worship. What yoiu give is used or eating by men

Sman37:
Hahahahah
Christian ar all suffering from the spiritual cos Allah has cos dem all, it says
'' them christian are spiritual deaf, dumb and blind, no matter how simpl, easy and clear the truth u tell them they wil never hear or how lucid the truth u show them they wl never see except of them that Allah has guide to the truth''
Am asking all christians where did bible said Jesus is the biological son of God?
Bible said we are all children of God does that mean God is our Father hann mr/mrs christians?
Children can grow to be son or daughter so that mean we are also son of God and daughter of God does that mean God is our Father?
No verse or chapter in any bibles that said jesus is the biological son of God.
Clear example is some pastors are called father too by there fellow church members does that mean the pastor is there biological father mr,mrs christians?
An old man or woman aged like ur father can call u his or her son or daughter that does not mean he or she is ur biological father or mother
thank u mr and mrs christians i suggested its time u accept and searche for the whole truth
its only in bible u wil read a simpl ordinary sentence not idioms, not proverb and not indirect sentence and them pastors and christians will be deceiving them selves that the meaning of the verse is deferent from sentence dat make d vers how stop deceiving ur selves my brother and sisters instead u should be searching for the true meaning of the verses and chapters not d false mean ur pastors ar giving you
tanks ya all.

So your allah "cos" Christians? It is obvious some of of you from the other side have no restrictions. You should learn to control yourself and keep quiet over issues that are beyond you. Your Allah should have perhaps taught you to stay away from things that do not concern you. If you want any clarification concerning any Christian subject matter, open a thread and mention me. This is way beyond you.

phanshark:
but, do u know that the old testiment is the shadow of the new? & do you know that christ also said that He has not come to abolish the words of the prophets? if this is correct, which means that,the livite are the pastors & you dont expect us in the 21ist century to still maintain the same store house as of old. the tite is mainly 4 the upkeep of the pastors & also 4 maintaining the house of God just as it was in the days of old.if you say that people abuse it,then we are in same page,but to say that is not in the new testament i disagree wit you. Except you can prove to me that jesus is not in the old testament. Pls lets educate each order.

Levites are not equivalent of pastors. That's totally incorrect! Levites where not also priests. I hope you know that. Levite's were workers in the temple. They did all kind of jobs from carpentry to goldsmith

Ubenedictus:
james 5 sayys, is anyone sick among u, call d elder (priest), d practice is from d bible.

Brother this people their rate of ignorance is alarming, the believe everything literally but when it comes to the one too big for them, they turn to judges, the Bible in ur hands who compiled it let's start from there

Sman37:
Hahahahah
Christian ar all suffering from the spiritual cos Allah has cos dem all, it says
'' them christian are spiritual deaf, dumb and blind, no matter how simpl, easy and clear the truth u tell them they wil never hear or how lucid the truth u show them they wl never see except of them that Allah has guide to the truth''
Am asking all christians where did bible said Jesus is the biological son of God?
Bible said we are all children of God does that mean God is our Father hann mr/mrs christians?
Children can grow to be son or daughter so that mean we are also son of God and daughter of God does that mean God is our Father?
No verse or chapter in any bibles that said jesus is the biological son of God.
Clear example is some pastors are called father too by there fellow church members does that mean the pastor is there biological father mr,mrs christians?
An old man or woman aged like ur father can call u his or her son or daughter that does not mean he or she is ur biological father or mother
thank u mr and mrs christians i suggested its time u accept and searche for the whole truth
its only in bible u wil read a simpl ordinary sentence not idioms, not proverb and not indirect sentence and them pastors and christians will be deceiving them selves that the meaning of the verse is deferent from sentence dat make d vers how stop deceiving ur selves my brother and sisters instead u should be searching for the true meaning of the verses and chapters not d false mean ur pastors ar giving you
tanks ya all.

This will really help you


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKJwqsSlx0I

Christians u all don't understand simple english wen bibles said Jesus die for our sins tha includ ' Muslim , christians and every creature on earth
no verse and no chapter in all bibles that said jesuse died just for only christians when u are there busy saying jesus die for ur sins to m that mean jesuse pay for our sins
all dis are big lies
and if its true y is bible still talking sayin some of us will go to hell cus of there sins
if truly jesus paid for our sins with his life and gave us eternal live hann
am asking u mr and Mrs christians
sorry if it hurt u bt am nt sayin dis to mock or insults any one of u
bt the truth is its ur duty to seek every truth concerning the challenges we gave u abt ur religion

shine12:


How come we don't stone adulterers as God's word cannot lie.Brother set yourself free.
Hebrews even states that old covenant is obsolete.Give to God cheerfully end of story.

I pray for the day people will understand what Abrahimic Covenant,Mosaic Law,Sermon on the Mount and New Covenant are.Christianity is not a mixture it's a new living way instituted by Christ in that what the law could not do He did by becoming the way once you go back to mosaic law you are bound to fulfill all.
Let me ask you,is tithing the only thing God put a curse on in the Bible,there is a curse on every wrong thing in the old covenant.So brother as we do wrong everyday that's means we are cursed and condemned everyday,that's the whole point of grace[We are not cursed anymore.]You can never fulfill the law it's impossible.

Abraham paid to tithe fine,is it a command or out if His freewill?
Noah built a ark,should I start building an ark?

David or Solomon,I don't remember gave a thousand burnt offerings Shuld I start slaughtering rams and say Solomon did it?

Let's understand scripture!!!!

Oh, brother.
Jesus said, i have not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. Most of those things that you cited were shadows of things to come by virtue of the coming dispensation of grace, they do not mean they are abolished. But grace is a snare and many do not know it. Yes we don't stone adulterers now, and you are deceived into believing they will go free? Impossible. Even after you confess, the consequences will catch up with you one way or another. Its in the new testament the Bible says 'hand in hand, no sinner will go unpunished'. Don't forget that.
In law, you have to have two eyewitnesses to adultery, but in grace, simple list is enough to indict. Its even more deadly.
That's why grace makes way for what can help us live through the harshness of it: the Holy Ghost. That is the simple answer.

Sman37:
Christians u all don't understand simple english wen bibles said Jesus die for our sins tha includ ' Muslim , christians and every creature on earth
no verse and no chapter in all bibles that said jesuse died just for only christians when u are there busy saying jesus die for ur sins to m that mean jesuse pay for our sins
all dis are big lies
and if its true y is bible still talking sayin some of us will go to hell cus of there sins
if truly jesus paid for our sins with his life and gave us eternal live hann
am asking u mr and Mrs christians
sorry if it hurt u bt am nt sayin dis to mock or insults any one of u
bt the truth is its ur duty to seek every truth concerning the challenges we gave u abt ur religion

Come unto me all you who are laboured and overburdened, this statement explains why Jesus died for all, but as free will God gave us still remains we prefer the option of choosing Him than picking the other option, it's simple and same thing happened in the garden of Eden man had option of fruits but there was one not meant for him to go near but he still went ahead and ate it
So I hope this gives u a better understanding