daxlasaint:


That why not settle the issue once and for all? Why not give these women the same opportunities and preferences cos if they are bound to fail then they will and the matter will be settled once and for all... aparently pushing gender equality would be win win for men... so....

Look, if we all want to be godless, i dont really care about feminism. woman will lose. if men should treat women as equal in the society, women will die of agony.

Children are already paying the price as a result of feminism. women are abandoning little children for career. and the society is bearing the brunt.

postmann:


Look, if we all want to be godless, i dont really care about feminism. woman will lose. if men should treat women as equal in the society, women will die of agony.

Children are already paying the price as a result of feminism. women are abandoning little children for career. and the society is bearing the brunt.

With or without feminism there would still be bad mothers out there.... i know hoisewives who children eat out all day and are ill cared for... i know career women who balance their homes beautifully.... am not advocating for men hating, competitive feminism... thats what most guys against this thread dont seem to get.... even the slave owners of infamous memory felt their slavery of the blavk man was divinely ordained and just....

daxlasaint:


With or without feminism there would still be bad mothers out there.... i know hoisewives who children eat out all day and are ill cared for... i know career women who balance their homes beautifully.... am not advocating for men hating, competitive feminism... thats what most guys against this thread dont seem to get.... even the slave owners of infamous memory felt their slavery of the blavk man was divinely ordained and just....

most women now see children and marriage as an obstruction to their progress and career.

Who convinced these women they need to grind 40-50hr weeks for corporations to have a career. again shows many ppl cant think. Invest in the career of motherhood and reap the financial and non financial rewards. These modern day women sha.

daxlasaint:


With or without feminism there would still be bad mothers out there.... i know hoisewives who children eat out all day and are ill cared for... i know career women who balance their homes beautifully.... am not advocating for men hating, competitive feminism... thats what most guys against this thread dont seem to get.... even the slave owners of infamous memory felt their slavery of the blavk man was divinely ordained and just....

that there are bad mothers out there doesnt mean women should be inductrinated to dump their infants some as young as a month to some nanny or daycare because she is career minded.

career and child nurturing dont really mix. children aint dogs or some poultery animals that you can leave and come back to.

they need attention. these children are exposed to a lot of indecencies during this period of neglect.

and what about their husbands? thats a whole topic of its own. personally ive told some people who care to listen: i see very little difference between marring a career woman and marrying a woman who is still schooling.

man that will cheat will cheat, so they say, but a career woman practically put her husband in the arms of a maid or some other woman.

nothing goes for nothing. something has to give. feminism is the total break down of the family system.

postmann:


that there are bad mothers out there doesnt mean women should be inductrinated to dump their infants some as young as a month to some nanny or daycare because she is career minded.

career and child nurturing dont really mix. children aint dogs or some poultery animals that you can leave and come back to.

they need attention. these children are exposed to a lot of indecencies during this period of neglect.

and what about their husbands? thats a whole topic of its own. personally ive told some people who care to listen: i see very little difference between marring a career woman and marrying a woman who is still schooling.

man that will cheat will cheat, so they say, but a career woman practically put her husband in the arms of a maid or some other woman.

nothing goes for nothing. something has to give. feminism is the total break down of the family system.

You forgot to mention: why work to pay for day care when you can give BETTER care yourself and save ur energy and $$$.

Feminism is already affecting women. In my workplace guys are afraid of talking to women for fear of harassment charges. Less office collaboration.

Women also pay for feminism through cheating. Your man is sleeping with a hot young girl with standing breasts as you no gree marry go dey do career/ phd. Again women could do phds they should marry on time and have the support of their husbands for such courses.

Finally females pay through loneliness.

Being a stay home mom doesn't mean you will nurture your children well. I have an uncle who married a lazy woman, lazy being that she doesn't care for work at all. She can't even wash her own undies talk more take care of children well, a married woman with with female children will openly display pornographic videos. The highest no of teenage pregnancy cases I see around me have housewives as the mothers. The most important thing is the values and morals you lay in your children right from childhood. And we have lots of mothers at the apex of their careers nurturing and taking good care of their homes and children and equally producing brilliant children. My mum and grandma being great examples.


It's hypocrisy when we all know what you want is for a woman to be like a rag to a man, one he can decide to do whatever he wish to. Makes me remember a man that asked his wife (a principal in one of the federal Colleges in Nig) to quit her job unknown to her he was planning to marry another wife, thank God she saw past his selfishness, he wld have rendered her dependent on him so he can toss her however he likes..Now she has her own school, big one and is doing well. I'av seen men who ask their wives not to work supposedly to take care of children make those wives suffer and even the children. They want her at the mercies of their selfish tendencies. Even if a woman sits home all day, a man with no self control will still cheat, they'll just bring pregnancy come meet her for house.

If you don't want career women, good. There.are lots of women out there.who don't mind being housewives.

itzhanie001:
Being a stay home mom doesn't mean you will nurture your children well. I have an uncle who married a lazy woman, lazy being that she doesn't care for work at all. She can't even wash her own undies talk more take care of children well, a married woman with with female children will openly display pornographic videos. The highest no of teenage pregnancy cases I aee around me have housewives as the mothers. And we have lots of mothers at the apex of their careers nurturing and taking good care of their homes and children and equally producing brilliant children. My mum and grandma being great examples.


It's hypocrisy when we all know what you want is for a woman to be like a rag to a man, one he can decided to do whatever he wish to. Makes me remember a man that asked his wife (a principal in one of the federal Colleges in Nig) to quit her job unknown to her he was planning to marry another wife, thank God she saw pass his selfishness, he wld have rendered her dependent on him so he can toss her however he likes..Now she has her own school, big one and is doing well. I'av seen men who ask their wives not to work supposedly to take care of children make those wives suffer and even the children. They want her at their mercies of their selfish tendencies. Even if a woman sits home all day, a man with no self control will still cheat, they'll just bring pregnancy come meet her for house.

If you don't want career women, good. There.are lots of women out there.who don't mind being housewives.

i was talking of a general trend/ mentality of seeing children as obstruction.

What exactly is career? Paid employment is the least tax efficient way to make money or amass wealth. Why are women scrambling for paid employment? It has little glory.

All men are advocating is that women should see raising kids as a blessing not an obstruction to their career ambitions as if wage slavery was noble.

Modern women have it upside down. if the babes were successful bloggers or business women then thats good for any marriage.

AVRecruit:


You forgot to mention: why work to pay for day care when you can give BETTER care yourself?

Feminism is already affecting women. In my workplace guys are afraid of talking to women for fear of harassment charges. Less office collaboration.

Women also pay for feminism through cheating. Your man is sleeping with a hot young girl with standing breasts as you no gree marry go dey do phd. Again women could do phds they should marry on time and have the support of their husbands for such courses.

Finally females pay through loneliness.

Youre perfectly correct!
so petty! so greedy!

the wise and humble will be satisfied.
but the restless she-devils, its a life of unfulfilment.

go to europe and see women in their late 20s and and30s unmarried, looking for anythng with _dick for company. its a society wth its head upside down as as morality goes.

postmann:


Youre perfectly correct!
so petty! so greedy!

the wise and humble will be satisfied.
but the restless she-devils, its a life of unfulfilment.

go to europe and see women in their late 20s and and30s unmarried, looking for anythng with _dick for company. its a society wth its head upside down as as morality goes.

house maids na dem dey hot pass :-)

Anyway, the later a woman marries the higer the probability a man will pursue young babes outside at least for a while to make up for the deficiency

The younger a woman marries, the more satisfied the husband will be with the carnal lusts of their youth and if a good man, wont look outside even when the babe gets older.

with feminism came boyfriends. boyfriends are not jn the best interest of women. all women should be encouraged to get married before going to university or shortly afterwards. just because its not happening today does not mean its not the right thing.

Why isnt feminism truly saying wat im saying? See it doesnt have womens best interests at heart.

AVRecruit:


i was talking of a general trend/ mentality of seeing children as obstruction.

What exactly is career? Paid employment is the least tax efficient way to make money or amass wealth. Why are women scrambling for paid employment? It has little glory.

All men are advocating is that women should see raising kids as a blessing not an obstruction to their career ambitions as is wage slavery was noble.

Modern women have it upside down. if the babes were successful bloggers or business women then thats good for any marriage.

I haven't met any woman who sees childbirth as an obstruction to career, I don't know maybe they abound around you. Women with such mind will rather not marry sef.

Ok, so women should just be bloggers and business women? The female Drs, nurses, lawyers, bankers, scientists, accountants, etc should all just bury their dreams already. They have no right to aspire for greatness in other things other than popping out babies, taking care of them and licking their husband' s feet, they are women afterall. When they some depend on men, the same men will still come here shouting women are gold diggers, they don't want liabilities, etc.


An advice after training your female child through school, tell her to throw away her dreams and certificate and go be an housewife for a man. Or better still don't train her through school, does she really need education to give birth to children and stay home? Paid jobs have no glory.

itzhanie001:


I haven't met any woman who sees childbirth as an obstruction to career, I don't know maybe they abound around you. Women with such mind will rather not marry sef.

Ok, so women should just be bloggers and business women? The female Drs, nurses, lawyers, bankers, scientists, accountants, etc should all just bury their dreams already. They have no right to aspire for greatness in other things other than popping out babies, taking care of them and licking their husband' s feet, they are women afterall. When they some depend on men, the same men will still come here shouting women are gold diggers, they don't want liabilities, etc.


An advice after training your female child through school, tell her to throw away her dreams and certificate and go be an housewife for a man. Or better still don't train her through school, does she really need education to give birth to children and stay home? Paid jobs have no glory.

i used business women as an example. female doctors command presence and i respect them a lot. All I am saying is if such a doctor is desirous of marriage she should get married before starting to pursue those dreams or find a serious relationship.

now if that doctor has no interest in men then she should do watever she likes with her life.

its all so simple yet ppl make it complicated. by and large it is men who marry women. if a man is not showing interests in you or undertakes to marry you then just keep dating ur numerous boifriends till you kpai.

itzhanie001:
Being a stay home mom doesn't mean you will nurture your children well. I have an uncle who married a lazy woman, lazy being that she doesn't care for work at all. She can't even wash her own undies talk more take care of children well, a married woman with with female children will openly display pornographic videos. The highest no of teenage pregnancy cases I aee around me have housewives as the mothers. And we have lots of mothers at the apex of their careers nurturing and taking good care of their homes and children and equally producing brilliant children. My mum and grandma being great examples.


It's hypocrisy when we all know what you want is for a woman to be like a rag to a man, one he can decided to do whatever he wish to. Makes me remember a man that asked his wife (a principal in one of the federal Colleges in Nig) to quit her job unknown to her he was planning to marry another wife, thank God she saw pass his selfishness, he wld have rendered her dependent on him so he can toss her however he likes..Now she has her own school, big one and is doing well. I'av seen men who ask their wives not to work supposedly to take care of children make those wives suffer and even the children. They want her at their mercies of their selfish tendencies. Even if a woman sits home all day, a man with no self control will still cheat, they'll just bring pregnancy come meet her for house.

If you don't want career women, good. There.are lots of women out there.who don't mind being housewives.

miss, your quote is laughable and full of hypocricy. the highest number of teenage pregnacy you ve seen has house wives as their mothers.

you either live in mars or you cant define what is a housewife.

look, you have been indoctrinated to be financially independent of your husband while being ambitious, and to see men as untrustworthy with sinister motive.

the feminist egg has been deposited in you already. it is clear from your submission.

just be truthful with your husband wen mariage comes and be straight with him. so he knows early what he's dealing with.

AVRecruit:


house maids na dem dey hot pass :-)

Anyway, the later a woman marries the higer the probability a man will pursue young babes outside at least for a while to make up for the deficiency

The younger a woman marries, the more satisfied the husband will be with the carnal lusts of their youth and if a good man, wont look outside even when the babe gets older.

with feminism came boyfriends. boyfriends are not jn the best interest of women. all women should be encouraged to get married before going to university or shortly afterwards. just because its not happening today does not mean its not the right thing.

Why isnt feminism truly saying wat im saying? See it doesnt have womens best interests at heart.

Another wisdom!

postmann:


miss, your quote is laughable and full of hypocricy. the highest number of teenage pregnacy you ve seen has house wives as their mothers.

you either live in mars or you cant define what is a housewife.

look, you have been indoctrinated to be financially independent of your husband while being ambitious, and to see men as untrustworthy with sinister motive.

the feminist egg has been deposited in you already. it is clear from your submission.

just be truthful with your husband wen mariage comes and be straight with him. so he knows early what he's dealing with.

Excuse me

AVRecruit:


i used business women as an example. female doctors command presence and i respect them a lot. All I am saying is if such a doctor is desirous of marriage she should get married before starting to pursue those dreams or find a serious relationship.

now if that doctor has no interest in men then she should do watever she likes with her life.

its all so simple yet ppl make it complicated. by and large it is men who marry women. if a man is not showing interests in you or undertakes to marry you then just keep dating ur numerous boifriends till you kpai.

So you met a woman in medical school, you went ahead to ask her out, then you tell her to throw away her license and certificate. You aren't even making any sense. So it will be easier getting married and combining medical school with marriage then eventually working. If you know you can't marry a working woman let her know right from time so she can dump your ass for men who will share the joy of her success with her. I have a lovely family I look up to, 2 professors with such lovely children all doing good for themselves. That is going to be my story by God's grace.


What are you even saying? And the childishness comes in, what were your last statements all about.

itzhanie001:


So you met a woman in medical school, you went ahead to ask her out, then you tell her to throw away her license and certificate. You aren't even making any sense. So it will be easier getting married and combining medical school with marriage then eventually working. If you know you can't marry a working woman let her know right from time so she can dump your ass for men who will share the joy of her success with her. I have a lovely family I look up to, 2 professors with such lovely children all doing good for themselves. That is going to be my story by God's grace.


What are you even saying? And the childishness comes in, what were your last statements all about.

you know them (feminists) when they start accusing you of childishness. Men have spoken. We are the ones who propose to you. If you think the men on this thread have spoken foolishly, then keep being liberated, keep pursuing your dreams and ambitions and keep living the better life.

AVRecruit:


you know them (feminists) when they start accusing you of childishness. Men have spoken. We are the ones who propose to you. If you think the men on this thread have spoken foolishly, then keep being liberated, keep pursuing your dreams and ambitions and keep living the better life.

Yes, we will keep pursuing our dreams, and even make impact in your lives while married to men who don't feel threatened by his wife's success but celebrates and take pride in her.

Raise your daughters to be dependent dolls with no ambitions, it's your problem.

itzhanie001:



Yes, we will keep pursuing our dreams, and even make impact in your lives while married to men who don't feel threatened by his wife's success but celebrates and take pride in her.

Raise your daughters to be dependent dolls with no ambitions, it's your problem

Good luck!

AVRecruit:

Good luck!

Good luck to you too

to other sane and rational thinkers who are fathers. in order to avoid ur daughters defiling themselves with numerous boyfriends and potentially destroying their lives because they want to be doctors. i propose giving away my/our daughter to a responsible man under the arrangement i will pay my daughters fees to be a medical doctor while she is married to the guy and she will be free to pursue her ambitions still. she will emerge the envy of her peers.

daxlasaint:
Feminism means different things for different people... For me it means aspiring for the chance to attain equal opportunities for both sexes... The removal of societal restraints that consign certain dreams and aspirations to a certain gender or sex... Unfortunately feminism , in the eyes of many of the malefolk has become synonymous with non-submission of women to their men... This thought process while understandable is totally wrong.

The going philosophy seems to be that if as a guy you support feminism then you are a sissy, a woman wrapper or an ass kisser.... Only a weak and insecure man requires total submission from his woman to make him feel like he's in charge. Feminism is the only reason many of us guys on Nairaland can proudly brag bout our 'literate' mothers, our 'successful' mothers, aunts, sisters, etc etc

Most guys tell you they can't date or marry an uneducated and unenlightened girl without reasoning far ahead enough to realise that the only reason these educated women are available is because of the 'loathed' feminist movement.

My family is a perfect case study... My dad though being British, still holds strongly to our African traditional values but there was never a time while i was growing up that my mom wasnt working full time... Never a time when my mom couldnt speak her mind and didnt have an equal say in what went down in our home, and guess what? It never eroded her respect for my dad or vice versa... Even my step mom is richer than my dad and more business oriented too, it never caused an issue that i know of, my father has never demanded submission from his wife/ wives and this is someone who like i stated earlier is a full proper traditional African man...

Women may not have the physical strength of men but they can be and are usually smarter... Feminism doesnt literally translate to a woman being able to do all things men can do but it means a woman should be allowed to aspire to the goals men have traditionally reserved for themselves, the right to decide what they want to become or the goals they want to pursue without first considering whether its allowed women by societal norms...

In a way i think the problem of feminism is actually its name... Its only human to strive for the equality of both sexes... Feminism should probably be called humanism because equality of the sexes should be a universal human aspiration not just a fight by the female half of the population

Feminism doesn't mean anti submission just has submission doesnt mean a woman having to grovel and bow after her man and his ego.... Submission is a product of mutual respect and only weak men should be afraid of a woman who speaks her mind on issues concerning their relationship and basic existential issues...

I can only say in closing, there was a time when all men were not considered equal.... And there were people who fought to keep the status quo, they lost. Same way those who fight to keep the status quo on gender inequality would one day be consigned to history books as bitter losers in a cause whose outcome may be delayed but never changed....

Your first statement is at direct odds with the official definition of feminism.

fem·i·nism
ˈfeməˌnizəm/
noun
noun: feminism

the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

that exact statement is more true of egalitarianism.

you know what, just stop. stop it. if you really want equality, be an egalitarian.

---

I don't understand why many people prefer to be feminists, rather than egalitarian. the definition of feminism isn't even equality. It's advocacy for women's rights, which is assuming, from the start, that women don't have these rights. when all evidence is to the contrary. women have every right men have. go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_rights and tell me which men have that women don't. It's not that women don't have these rights, it's they're note exploiting it to the same level as men. and feminists can't explain this. so they reach the bizarre conclusion that men are Oppressing women.

what . . . the Bleep? not enough female engineers means male engineers are oppressing women? not enough female physicists and mathematicians are men oppressing women? that in itself is sexist and misandrist. and if you tell them this, they'll instantly call you misogynist!

they even coined the word "patriarchy" to describe a world where men are conniving to oppress women. and they've added a lot of baggage and nonsense like "male privilege." as if linda Ikeji isn't a thing. all those powerful women don't exist. No, men are oppressing women. They claim that women are "Sexually objectified." by men. Yes, of course.we all are, it's not misogyny. it's a celebration of the human form. and we've been doing it for centuries to both sexes.

The point is, What feminism is fighting for, they have gotten, but the results they expected, are yet to be found. I dunno, maybe they expected women to build spaceships and giant buildings if they ended up "liberating" them. only to realize that women are not as ambitious as men and simply want to live normal lives. so, they've resorted to blatant sexism, by treating the male sex like crap to try and "balance the scale." all while committing logical fallacies everywhere.

As a skeptic, I am not fooled by propaganda. I judge an Ideology on the effect it has on the society. and feminism has had a good effect on it. but feminism is like a lollipop. we've finished the sweet candy. we need to quit chewing on it and throw away the plastic rod.

AVRecruit:


i was talking of a general trend/ mentality of seeing children as obstruction.

What exactly is career? Paid employment is the least tax efficient way to make money or amass wealth. Why are women scrambling for paid employment? It has little glory.

All men are advocating is that women should see raising kids as a blessing not an obstruction to their career ambitions as if wage slavery was noble.

Modern women have it upside down. if the babes were successful bloggers or business women then thats good for any marriage.

If a salaried job is slavery... why do we practically die to get jobs.... and in what dictionary is definition of career limited to having a salaried job? In anycase what gives you as a man to choose the life path and choices for another human being .... simply because she is of a female gender

AVRecruit:
to other sane and rational thinkers who are fathers. in order to avoid ur daughters defiling themselves with numerous boyfriends and potentially destroying their lives because they want to be doctors. i propose giving away my/our daughter to a responsible man under the arrangement i will pay my daughters fees to be a medical doctor while she is married to the guy and she will be free to pursue her ambitions still. she will emerge the envy of her peers.

I will pass .... i wish you the best of luck dealing with the heartbreak you experience when this plan fails as it is bound to...

Teempakguy:


Your first statement is at direct odds with the official definition of feminism.

fem·i·nism
ˈfeməˌnizəm/
noun
noun: feminism

the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

that exact statement is more true of egalitarianism.

you know what, just stop. stop it. if you really want equality, be an egalitarian.

---

I don't understand why many people prefer to be feminists, rather than egalitarian. the definition of feminism isn't even equality. It's advocacy for women's rights, which is assuming, from the start, that women don't have these rights. when all evidence is to the contrary. women have every right men have. go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_rights and tell me which men have that women don't. It's not that women don't have these rights, it's they're note exploiting it to the same level as men. and feminists can't explain this. so they reach the bizarre conclusion that men are Oppressing women.

what . . . the Bleep? not enough female engineers means male engineers are oppressing women? not enough female physicists and mathematicians are men oppressing women? that in itself is sexist and misandrist. and if you tell them this, they'll instantly call you misogynist!

they even coined the word "patriarchy" to describe a world where men are conniving to oppress women. and they've added a lot of baggage and nonsense like "male privilege." as if linda Ikeji isn't a thing. all those powerful women don't exist. No, men are oppressing women. They claim that women are "Sexually objectified." by men. Yes, of course.we all are, it's not misogyny. it's a celebration of the human form. and we've been doing it for centuries to both sexes.

The point is, What feminism is fighting for, they have gotten, but the results they expected, are yet to be found. I dunno, maybe they expected women to build spaceships and giant buildings if they ended up "liberating" them. only to realize that women are not as ambitious as men and simply want to live normal lives. so, they've resorted to blatant sexism, by treating the male sex like crap to try and "balance the scale." all while committing logical fallacies everywhere.

As a skeptic, I am not fooled by propaganda. I judge an Ideology on the effect it has on the society. and feminism has had a good effect on it. but feminism is like a lollipop. we've finished the sweet candy. we need to quit chewing on it and throw away the plastic rod.

I said my post was bout what think feminism SHOULD be about.... and we both know women can fully exploit the opportinities men take for granted because society have spend millenia subjugating the dreams of the average female to be anything other than a good and sumisdive mate to man.... its like freeing the slaves on paper and continuing to keep them enslaved or close to it in reality

I think that men should just give it up already and let women control everything.

Lezzlie:
Op, you're confused!!

If the women behind Feminism don't have usurpation as their long term goal why not call it gender rights or equality.

Feminist seeks to bully everyone inuding women who don't share their ideas.

Feminist lobby for women to take up stem courses when the majority of women just don't like it.



Feminists castigate and bully housewives who enjoy just being house wiveswives into working to prove their womanhood.


Feminist lobby governments to make reservations for top political and appointment hierarchy for women without merit.

But we never see them argue for lower position to be equally represented by women.


No one stops any woman from education or airing her views at home, the husband simply has the final say.


I find it strange that you seek women to disobey the authority of their husbands at home and fall onto themselves to carry out the instructions and command of their bosses in the office.

Satanists!!!


Feminism is a doomed project.


It failed in Scandinavia after 100 years and it is killing Europe already.

German's Markel always makes a fool of herself in EU like Tatcha did in UK.


I promise you, we will crush them feminist in Africa whenever Its big head surfaces.

I find it strange that you want your wives to lick your asses but you have no problem with submitting to the authority of your female bosses.

I find it strange that you beat up your wives for 'daring' to talk when you talk but you can't even cough when your female bosses berate you.

SATANISTS!!!!

daxlasaint:


I will pass .... i wish you the best of luck dealing with the heartbreak you experience when this plan fails as it is bound to...

you have not even made any valid point. train your daughters to be prostitutes then.

AVRecruit:


you have not even made any valid point. train your daughters to be prostitutes then.

And you made a valid point? Good luck telling your daugther at what age she should bring home a husband and if she fails to comply by all means go out an arrange one for her... is that point valid enough for you.... btw if you still have unmarried sisters start practising this your neo-medieval proposition on them.

Joy1706:

I find it strange that you want your wives to lick your asses but you have no problem with submitting to the authority of your female bosses.

I find it strange that you beat up your wives for 'daring' to talk when you talk but you can't even cough when your female bosses berate you.

SATANISTS!!!!

You came late with a bunch of uncorrelated rubbish of plagiarism of my post!


Go home and get a bathe, you stink of anger and boredom!

who do I find viewing this thread in isolation?

Bwahahaha

daxlasaint:


And you made a valid point? Good luck telling your daugther at what age she should bring home a husband and if she fails to comply by all means go out an arrange one for her... is that point valid enough for you.... btw if you still have unmarried sisters start practising this your neo-medieval proposition on them.

depart from me ye idiot into ur satanic brothel. idiot.

AVRecruit:


depart from me ye idiot into ur satanic brothel. idiot.

and when they run outta reasonable argument, they result to insults.... nice one my man