I noticed that many people worship God because of the fear of hell fire. But if we worship God simply because we're apprehensive of going to hell, it means we are nothing more than those under the law. For we will know the truth, we will struggle to keep to it but always fall back and remain condemned by the same law. We will keep rising and falling, swinging like a pendulum, following procedures and doctrines as if faith is mathematical.
One who for the fear of hell alone serves God, easily falls into sin as the adamic nature will make him believe he will surely repent before death calls. He only forgives or loves others, not because he wants to, but because he doesn't want to go to hell. So he does that to liberate himself,like he is simply looking for an escape. Such a person will say he has forgiven another who wronged him, yet he will avoid same person like plague while professing that he has forgiven, but will never show him love when the opportunity presents or treat him as if he never did any wrong. That is when one is said to be living a hypocritical life like the Pharisees. You tend to visualize everyone u call sinner as already in hell, robbing yourself the opportunity of experiencing true love for ur fellows and for God.
Some preach, not because they truly want the listeners to repent or because they care for their souls but just to fulfill all righteousness. That is why many of us are so quick to say the "die by fire" kind of prayer instead of loving our enemies and praying for them. The soul of that murderer, prostitute, liar, fornicator, drunkard, adulterer etc is equally important to God. We should love them and pray for them. We don't even have the right to condemn or criticize them, or weigh the gravity of their sins; who are we to judge?
However, true worship is done for the sake of love we have for God and our faith in Him. Then we strive daily to be united with Him; to please Him and grow spiritually; to know him more and understand His love; to be guided in our daily affairs by Him, and to retain His spirit in us. We avoid sin, not because it will cost us heaven, but because sin has no power again on us as the grace of God has set us unto righteousness through faith. Then we become no slaves to our passions. That is when we worship Him in truth and in spirit as His grace takes over, setting us above the law and leading us unto righteousness for eternal glory. For we will struggle less to avoid sin, all we do is to give God all, holding nothing back from Him. We tend to do more work, but effortlessly.
And yes, heaven is the final reward. If you really love God, it will reflect on the love u have for ur fellows. All you will wish for is that they experience same. You will hardly hate those wronged you. You correct them instead of criticizing them; you guide them instead of judging them; you pray that they understand their infractions and make amends instead of wishing them death or suffering... Just as Christ saw those who crucified him as people who needed help and pity instead of retribution when he said: "Father forgive them for they know not what they are doing".
May God grant you the grace to worship him, not for the fear of hell, but for love and your faith in Him.

You speak the truth.

Good sermon. Touched my soul. True love comes from within not by compulsion. Knowing that giving adds more.. Like Jesus said,
'Very truly, I tell you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains just a single grain; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.'
Truth is eternal. Truth never fails. May a million Gods lead us to a single truth. RAmen Akbar.

Pitiful sinners in the hands of an angry, vengeful God...

That's true, most worship to God is because we fear Hell not because we love Him.

Vanderandrew:
That's true, most worship to God is because we fear Hell not because we love Him.

...and feared he must be!

Infinite is his wrath! Ten trillion years of bone-burning agony is but a mere moment of the terror awaiting all who do not truly love him.

Do you? Do you, really??

He knows your deepest thoughts. Answer well...lest...

TrajansKong:


...and feared he must be!

Infinite is his wrath! Ten trillion years of bone-burning agony is but a mere moment of the terror awaiting all who do not truly love him.

Do you? Do you, really??

He knows your deepest thoughts. Answer well...lest...

I am not speaking for myself, I am saying what I have generally seen in Christianity. For you to love God more deeply, listen to messages about His love. When all you do is focus on God being a God of Judgement, hardly can you receive his love. People who dwell on God's Judgement criticize others, wish others evil rather than pray for them, they mock sinners, gossip and point accusing finger at the brethren. Of Course the love of Christ will show in how you treat your fellow brothers. On that day many will say I cast out devils in your name and Christ will reply depart for I know you not. They neglected their neighbour in need. The turn their faces to someone who needed help despirately, refused to forgive and let go of the past. You know them by their fruits. They always produce bad fruits, fruits of judgement, ill-will and evil. The love of Christ is not in their hearts. They insist on their rights instead of leaving it to God. Remember whatever you behold is what you get. If you behold God's Judgement, that's what you get. If you behold His love, that is what you will get

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Good post. God almighty will surely bless you for this piece.

And what else can i add? And i have decided to follow you.


And don.t mind TranJons or what does he called his name. That Personality does not belong to God in anyway. Am 100 percent sure that, that gospel which he is preaching comes out from the pit of Hell.

Our Lord Jesus frankly told us that he came to give us life, and not just and ordinary life but abundant life. John 10,10 but the thief came to steal, kill and to
destroy.

Like i said earlier, you have said it all.

Man is no longer owing anything, Jesus has paid them on the cross.

Pls read carefuly the book of Hebrew then pay more attention on ch. 7
my brother anyone still paying tithe to day does not understand the mission and the gospel of Jesus. Jesus has paid everything on the cross. Christian has nothing else to pay than to love one another and proclaim his masage of love and the everlasting life throughout the world.

PS. Loving God because of fear of hell, can never be a genuine love.

Is like pointing a gun on a woman and force her to say i love you. And out of fear the woman now said i love you.
Can these ever be called love

For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believe in him will not perish but have everlasting life.

Preach Jesus, preach about his love and preach everlasting life in heaven. And more importantly, tell the world that Jesus has defeated Satan, and sin does no longer has dominions over us.

My dear that is an eternal gospel, that defeats Satan and his egents forever.


God bless you all.

Vanderandrew:



I am not speaking for myself, I am saying what I have generally seen in Christianity. For you to love God more deeply, listen to messages about His love. When all you do is focus on God being a God of Judgement, hardly can you receive his love. People who dwell on God's Judgement criticize others, wish others evil rather than pray for them, they mock sinners, gossip and point accusing finger at the brethren. Of Course the love of Christ will show in how you treat your fellow brothers. On that day many will say I cast out devils in your name and Christ will reply depart for I know you not. They neglected their neighbour in need. The turn their faces to someone who needed help despirately, refused to forgive and let go of the past. You know them by their fruits. They always produce bad fruits, fruits of judgement, ill-will and evil. The love of Christ is not in their hearts. They insist on their rights instead of leaving it to God. Remember whatever you behold is what you get. If you behold God's Judgement, that's what you get. If you behold His love, that is what you will get

All joking and mockery aside, this is the reallest, strongest and nicest response I've ever read from a Christian on this forum.

Can't criticize anything you've said.

Be careful though, you might turn into a humanist

sonOfLucifer:
Good sermon. Touched my soul. True love comes from within not by compulsion. Knowing that giving adds more.. Like Jesus said,
'Very truly, I tell you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains just a single grain; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.'
Truth is eternal. Truth never fails. May a million Gods lead us to a single truth. RAmen Akbar.

Yes, it's not by compulsion. That is why we are given free will in the first place, so as to consciously develop that personal relationship with Him. Even when one preaches salvation to others, he shouldn't do so with force or treat. The work of conviction and conversion is done by the Holy Spirit.
You moniker makes me wanna ask u some qstns.

Peritus:

Yes, it's not by compulsion. That is why we are given free will in the first place, so as to consciously develop that personal relationship with Him. Even when one preaches salvation to others, he shouldn't do so with force or treat. The work of conviction and conversion is done by the Holy Spirit.
You moniker makes me wanna ask u some qstns.

Feel free to ask. Where I have no answers, I will not pretend to.

I like your form of religion. Attraction by example not words or fancy spiritual mumbo-jumbo. Keep it up.


Unfortunately, I found religion and God very limiting.

Vanderandrew:



I am not speaking for myself, I am saying what I have generally seen in Christianity. For you to love God more deeply, listen to messages about His love. When all you do is focus on God being a God of Judgement, hardly can you receive his love. People who dwell on God's Judgement criticize others, wish others evil rather than pray for them, they mock sinners, gossip and point accusing finger at the brethren. Of Course the love of Christ will show in how you treat your fellow brothers. On that day many will say I cast out devils in your name and Christ will reply depart for I know you not. They neglected their neighbour in need. The turn their faces to someone who needed help despirately, refused to forgive and let go of the past. You know them by their fruits. They always produce bad fruits, fruits of judgement, ill-will and evil. The love of Christ is not in their hearts. They insist on their rights instead of leaving it to God. Remember whatever you behold is what you get. If you behold God's Judgement, that's what you get. If you behold His love, that is what you will get

Of a truth, this post of yours was not informed by mere human knowledge. You just reminded me of the story of the good Samaritan.

The idea itself is counter-intuitive. The god of the Bible is capable of reading the thoughts of humans beings. In fact, he's recording them on a DVR.

Finding a loophole doesn't work if he's recording your thoughts.

And then there's the other Hells business.

sonOfLucifer:

Feel free to ask. Where I have no answers, I will not pretend to.

I like your form of religion. Attraction by example not words or fancy spiritual mumbo-jumbo. Keep it up.


Unfortunately, I found religion and God very limiting.

Religion could be more law-based but it is left for you to develop that personal/spiritual connection with God, which he makes possible via his grace, instead of jettisoning religion.
Well, I've discovered that one CANNOT understand God if he doesn't understand love. And you can't claim you love God if you don't love your fellows. You can't love your fellows if you are not ready to let things go or sacrifice your right/comfort for them. Sometimes it makes one look so stupid. (Religion starts and ends with love)
So may I ask...what led to your decision to loathe God as your moniker portends.

Princewell2012:

Sorry I can't quote all.
I love your understanding of the word, however, you can't say that his position is from the pit of hell as that will be judgmental, instead you correct him if you can. Again, you spoke of tithe...Just know that it works for those who do it and it's not wrong to tithe but we are not compelled to do so. You don't have to tithe to make heaven. Tithing is very good when done wilfully, and that doesn't mean that God, by it, owes you.
(Those who avoid some food for the sake of worship should not criticize those that eat everything, and those who eat everything shouldn't criticize others who avoid some food... Go thru Romans 14)

Peritus:

Sorry I can't quote all.
I love your understanding of the word, however, you can't say that his position is from the pit of hell as that will be judgmental, instead you correct him if you can. Again, you spoke of tithe...Just know that it works for those who do it and it's not wrong to tithe but we are not compelled to do so. You don't have to tithe to make heaven. Tithing is very good when done wilfully, and that doesn't mean that God, by it, owes you.
(Those who avoid some food for the sake of worship should not criticize those that eat everything, and those who eat everything shouldn't criticize others who avoid some food... Go thru Romans 14)

ok. Those who avoid some food should not criticize those who eats everything is totally different from the case of tithing.

Tithing is part of the old covenant law, and it was expired when Jesus died on the cross.

I hate to hear when people will continue to say this works for me, and that also works for me.

Because something works for you does not justify that it is good and acceptable.

There are some that do visits a witch doctors, and it works perfectly for them. Now does it mean that visiting a witch doctors is justified by God


Nobody is judging anyone, there is only one person that judges even God.

Jesus said i have not come to judge anyone but most of his speeches looks judgmental.

Now the bible says whosoever does not believe in him will perish and will not make heaven, so if i say to any of my listener that if you did not accept Jesus as your Lord and savior you will not make heaven, have i judge him
Try to finds out the meaning of judgment before you says a Christian is judgemental.


There is a pastor at isolo here in lagos, who supported gay marriage, have you ever seen that in the entire bible, so if i should say his doctrine is from the pit of hell, have i judge him. ? The only things that judges everybody is the word of God. If you understand what that means.

Thank you.

Read the new testament very well, Jesus an example of love preached about hell.

Is Jesus judgemental?

Soft messages will not change anybody.

Is not my word like a fire or hammer that break the rock into pieces?

Hell is real.

Sinners in the hand of angry God was preached many years ago.
People were weeping during the message.

It does not change anything. We are all going to be judged including the Op.

sonOfLucifer:
Good sermon. Touched my soul. True love comes from within not by compulsion. Knowing that giving adds more.. Like Jesus said,
'Very truly, I tell you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains just a single grain; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.'
Truth is eternal. Truth never fails. May a million Gods lead us to a single truth. RAmen Akbar.

Hmm, this guy. I love you, very strangely.

Weah96:
The idea itself is counter-intuitive. The god of the Bible is capable of reading the thoughts of humans beings. In fact, he's recording them on a DVR.

Finding a loophole doesn't work if he's recording your thoughts.

And then there's the other Hells business.

My gentle sir, dont allow hell to keep you down, forget hell, think of love.
But for real, hell was not created for man. It just that Satan was already judged and condemned long before we appeared in the scene. But the very act that set Satan on that course is what we men are emerged in now. And since the Judgement for the act was already pronounced, if anyone die in that act, it's automatic, he goes.
But to keep man from ending up there, another way was opened for man, which is accepting Jesus.
Dear sir, what is so bad in accepting Jesus? What evil does it really bring to a man?

Princewell2012:


ok. Those who avoid some food should not criticize those who eats everything is totally different from the case of tithing.

Tithing is part of the old covenant law, and it was expired when Jesus died on the cross.

I hate to hear when people will continue to say this works for me, and that also works for me.

Because something works for you does not justify that it is good and acceptable.

There are some that do visits a witch doctors, and it works perfectly for them. Now does it mean that visiting a witch doctors is justified by God


Nobody is judging anyone, there is only one person that judges even God.

Jesus said i have not come to judge anyone but most of his speeches looks judgmental.

Now the bible says whosoever does not believe in him will perish and will not make heaven, so if i say to any of my listener that if you did not accept Jesus as your Lord and savior you will not make heaven, have i judge him
Try to finds out the meaning of judgment before you says a Christian is judgemental.


There is a pastor at isolo here in lagos, who supported gay marriage, have you ever seen that in the entire bible, so if i should say his doctrine is from the pit of hell, have i judge him. ? The only things that judges everybody is the word of God. If you understand what that means.

Thank you.

Why this Tithe issue dey pain una for body like this? Na your money we dey take pay am? U no want pay, then no pay. No body come your account come force you bring out your money. I dey pay Tithe. No be your money, so rest.

analice107:

Why this Tithe issue dey pain una for body like this? Na your money we dey take pay am? U no want pay, then no pay. No body come your account come force you bring out your money. I dey pay Tithe. No be your money, so rest.

Mmmmm, our initial conversation is not even about tithing, but somehow so good we just have rolled it in..
However i understand your stand on these. And i don.t remember discussing it with you either.

Furthermore we only try to liberate men from the ignorance of tithing, when it is nolonger required by God.

Yes nobody can stop you from paying it, but don.t try impose it on others,

you may sleep now, good night.

analice107:


Dear sir, what is so bad in accepting Jesus? What evil does it really bring to a man?

I don't believe empty words from human beings. You dey craze? Not while money and p)ussy exist as reward systems.

Your big talk must be accompanied by big magic. Science has made it possible for a human to stand in the middle of Port Harcourt and communicate with a relative in Tokyo. In real time.

They talked big and backed it up. In fact, the magic is replicable now.

Nobody would have believed the magic of the IPhone in 1611. And rightfully so.

TrajansKong:


...and feared he must be!

Infinite is his wrath! Ten trillion years of bone-burning agony is but a mere moment of the terror awaiting all who do not truly love him.

Do you? Do you, really??

He knows your deepest thoughts. Answer well...lest...

From the description you gave of god, he sounds like an "Idi Amin" type of god who is ready to kill and send those who don't worship him to hell. They say god is love, but from ur description of him he sounds like a loveless, angry, bitter and evil being. I'd rather risk going to hell than love and worship such a psycho.

Peritus:
I noticed that many people worship God because of the fear criticize them, or weigh the gravity of their sins; who are we to judge?
May God grant you the grace to worship him, not for the fear of hell, but for love and your faith in Him.

Amen!

analice107:

Hmm, this guy. I love you, very strangely.

Love you too Booboo

The love of God is the beginning of wisdom. And it has nothing to do with fear.