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Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by Dharneehell(m): 8:16pm On Mar 19, 2016
sonOfLucifer:


Man.....
cheers! smiley
Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by cckris: 8:46pm On Mar 19, 2016
Sonoflucifer hasn't said where there's a shrine for Ekwensu in Igboland. Or is the son lying like his father?

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Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by plaetton: 9:50pm On Mar 19, 2016
sonOfLucifer:
1.
No rapture or end time. Africans are stuck in Africa forever. No white man coming from the sky to zap them to mansions in heaven.

2.
Nigerian children will not be labelled as witches anymore. Pastors who label kids as evil and witches would be locked up in psychiatric hospitals.

3.
Reedemed would be an engineering company with a motto to open a technical workshop every 5kms. More jobs, less prayer points

4.
Go out with family on Sundays for strolls and enjoy nature. Less noise and traffic.

5.
Village people would stop being blamed for every misfortune that happens to their family members.

6.
Africans won't care about Adam and Eve, or Jerusalem and Mecca. Pilgrimage to Osun and Umudike would increase IGR.

Lol.

Hey,

Have you taken your own pilgrimage to Umudike yet?
cheesy

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Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by plaetton: 9:54pm On Mar 19, 2016
sonOfLucifer:
7.
Babalawos and Dibias in govt. Won't stop corruption but there will be small conscience. Shrines are less expensive to maintain than Churches.

8.
All those night vigils, offering, special offering, large churches.. Complete waste of time. Worshipping and dancing to nothing. grin grin

Imagine if public officers swore to my village Oracle while taking oath of office.
There would be less corruption and more corpses on the evil forest.
Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by paschu: 12:01am On Mar 20, 2016
plaetton:


Lol.

Hey,

Have you taken your own pilgrimage to Umudike yet?
cheesy

No one had ever faught the zion's stone of offence and survived it. Neither will any of you here.
Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by Nobody: 9:02am On Mar 20, 2016
cckris:
Sonoflucifer hasn't said where there's a shrine for Ekwensu in Igboland. Or is the son lying like his father?
For the sake of those who may be deceived by your LieBle history..

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Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by Nobody: 10:10am On Mar 20, 2016
Clearing up more ignorance like it's my duty. cry

cckris:

Please Mr Lucifer
Mr Chris...
cckris:

Please Mr Lucifer, kindly mention ONE good thing Africans received from worshiping Lucifer's demons, before the Missionaries built schools & Hospitals, that saved you from endemic leprosy, yaws, Pneumonia & malaria.
So much ignorance.
Let me explain this one time. Every Nation has a Ruler/President. The US has one, Nigeria has one. The PRESIDENT is a title, not a Person. So when an American Citizen says 'My President', you don't think Buhari, you think Barrack Obama.

In same vein, every nation/tribe had their GOD (their creator, their source, their origin). These Gods were created in their images and spoke their language. Allah doesn't speak French, Yahweh doesn't speak Ijaw. Yawheh and Allah referred to the local Gods of a particular tribe.

Unlike the Yoruba,Igbo, Indian gods, the Abrahamic GODS(Allah and Yahweh) considered all other Gods evil. From David to Mohammed, these men conquered lands and people, destroying everything in their wake. You don't need to read the Old Testament, read your news. The evidence is still there in the Middle East.

Lucifer's demons have nothing whatsoever to do with the African gods. Lucifer is Yahweh is Lucifer.

What good thing did the African gods give us? Look at your delicacy and your local language. Maybe, your ancestors weren't so savage afterall. Your language is proof they could communicate. Your local delicacy is proof they were good farmers, and knew how to use basic cooking utensil. Did the white man teach us how to cook oha and periwinkle? Did they teach us to say "Bia" and "Ndo"? What about your traditional wears? Proof that there were tailors and we manufactured textiles too. We weren't naked and hopeless. Harmattan for don show us shege..

How about local medicines? The medicinal benefits of the kolanut? Our leaves and that nasty worm that grows on trees? Maybe we didn't have western medicine. But we had local healers who treated illnesses and sicknesses. If we didn't, we would all have been dead before they arrived our shores. grin..

Unfortunately, how you think is who you are. When they left pur lands, they left behind their minds, their history, their perception of us. They left their minds in our education system. And we never changed it. They left their Bible in our palms, while we gave our lives to Chris and swore by Allah. We took to calling their lands holy lands, travelling to Jerusalem and Mecca to see I remember as a kid rejecting the notion of having to eba with fork and spoon. Most of us have probably experienced that too. Yet, we believe a Jew who was killed over 2000 years ago by his kinsmen, was right about our gods, our history, our future.

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Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by johnydon22(m): 11:54am On Mar 20, 2016
sonOfLucifer:
For the sake of those who may be deceived by your LieBle history..
Case closed, Dusted and finished!!! grin

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Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by Nobody: 12:45pm On Mar 20, 2016
if god is real then bible = false n vice versa
Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by Nobody: 9:14pm On Mar 20, 2016
sonOfLucifer:
Clearing up more ignorance like it's my duty. cry


Mr Chris...
So much ignorance.
Let me explain this one time. Every Nation has a Ruler/President. The US has one, Nigeria has one. The PRESIDENT is a title, not a Person. So when an American Citizen says 'My President', you don't think Buhari, you think Barrack Obama.

In same vein, every nation/tribe had their GOD (their creator, their source, their origin). These Gods were created in their images and spoke their language. Allah doesn't speak French, Yahweh doesn't speak Ijaw. Yawheh and Allah referred to the local Gods of a particular tribe.

Unlike the Yoruba,Igbo, Indian gods, the Abrahamic GODS(Allah and Yahweh) considered all other Gods evil. From David to Mohammed, these men conquered lands and people, destroying everything in their wake. You don't need to read the Old Testament, read your news. The evidence is still there in the Middle East.

Lucifer's demons have nothing whatsoever to do with the African gods. Lucifer is Yahweh is Lucifer.

What good thing did the African gods give us? Look at your delicacy and your local language. Maybe, your ancestors weren't so savage afterall. Your language is proof they could communicate. Your local delicacy is proof they were good farmers, and knew how to use basic cooking utensil. Did the white man teach us how to cook oha and periwinkle? Did they teach us to say "Bia" and "Ndo"? What about your traditional wears? Proof that there were tailors and we manufactured textiles too. We weren't naked and hopeless. Harmattan for don show us shege..

How about local medicines? The medicinal benefits of the kolanut? Our leaves and that nasty worm that grows on trees? Maybe we didn't have western medicine. But we had local healers who treated illnesses and sicknesses. If we didn't, we would all have been dead before they arrived our shores. grin..

Unfortunately, how you think is who you are. When they left pur lands, they left behind their minds, their history, their perception of us. They left their minds in our education system. And we never changed it. They left their Bible in our palms, while we gave our lives to Chris and swore by Allah. We took to calling their lands holy lands, travelling to Jerusalem and Mecca to see I remember as a kid rejecting the notion of having to eba with fork and spoon. Most of us have probably experienced that too. Yet, we believe a Jew who was killed over 2000 years ago by his kinsmen, was right about our gods, our history, our future.
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Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by Nobody: 9:16pm On Mar 20, 2016
misspicy:

LOL

can you be up against Lezz?
tongue



Saturday going smoothly and yours? smiley
Spambot got me. Hope you had a swell Sunday...
Lol. I'm a shy guy embarassed grin
Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by misspicy(f): 10:05pm On Mar 20, 2016
musKeeto:
Spambot got me. Hope you had a swell Sunday... Lol. I'm a shy guy embarassed grin
Awwwnn

it's alright smiley
Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by Nobody: 10:12pm On Mar 20, 2016
sonOfLucifer:

You know there's a reason we ask for 'source' on FP. Anyone can write anything and say it is true. For example, I'm a former lover of the Queen of England.


Come on Man grin The PUNCH says THE PUNCH is the only TRUE NEWSPAPER.


Name 1 prophecy. We've been waiting for Jesus' coming since 2000 years. Is he still building mansions? grin This UNIVERSSSEEE was created in 7 days. Nigga's been building mansions since 2000 years. Maybe he should call Julius Berger to help out.


What a blatant lie. That's why Africa remains backwards. HOw can you build the future when you keep holding on to the past? A past that doesn't belong to you, isn't about you and written by people who never tasted egusi or palm wine? wink
Actually religion (especially christainity) is playing a vital role in controlling the universe. It gives hope to the hopeless, it unites families, some missionaries build free schools and hospitals, religion restrains one from doing evil, the list is endless.
Atheists shouldn't be against religion.
They should be after developing the world and leave religion for the religious. Cos if everyone is an atheist, then this world will be one poo hole. With crimes everywhere. My contribution.

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Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by cloudgoddess(f): 6:12am On Mar 21, 2016
ShyNeptune:

Actually religion (especially christainity) is playing a vital role in controlling the universe. It gives hope to the hopeless, it unites families, some missionaries build free schools and hospitals, religion restrains one from doing evil, the list is endless.
Atheists shouldn't be against religion.
They should be after developing the world and leave religion for the religious. Cos if everyone is an atheist, then this world will be one poo hole. With crimes everywhere. My contribution.
Ehh, not quite. There actually seems to be a correlation between less religiosity and lower crime rates when comparing countries.



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Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by Nobody: 8:42am On Mar 21, 2016
cloudgoddess:

Ehh, not quite. There actually seems to be a correlation between less religiosity and lower crime rates when comparing countries.



Africa without religion will be nothing but a blood zone. Why do you think religion was invented in the first place? As an atheist, you have to think far and wide. Just picture a scene where no Nigerian believe in God, trust me, even the Government won't be able to control the citizens no more.
From the graphical figure you gave, who came up with the stats? Why is it hard for you to believe in God but easy for you to believe in one imaginary statistics. smiley
I'm not trying to sound religious grin , I just try not to believe in anything anymore (scientific or religious) until I can see, feel and verify.

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Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by Nobody: 9:10am On Mar 21, 2016
Lol. Another case of giving a dog a bad name to hang it.

ShyNeptune:

Africa without religion will be nothing but a blood zone.
I really have no idea where your kind make up these sort of assumptions and hold unto them, despite evidence to the contrary. Christian/Muslim fights has been responsible for most of the violence we've experienced in our country. Africa with religions has been nothing but a blood zone, a place of suffering, a continent unable to take care of itself or provide for its children. Yet, we remain the most religious and superstitious.

ShyNeptune:

Why do you think religion was invented in the first place?
Religion was invented out of our fears and ignorance. Yes, it helped our race and species as it helped foster a sense of identity and togetherness. But we must realize when what once helped us has become an impediment to our growth and further expansion.

ShyNeptune:

As an atheist, you have to think far and wide. Just picture a scene where no Nigerian believe in God, trust me, even the Government won't be able to control the citizens no more.
There's no need to picture one. I live in a Nigeria where about 99% believe in God. I see violence on the streets and on the frontpage of NL. We all suffer from the criminal activities of Bible and Quran swearing politicians. Where officials blame demons or 'God knows best', when their citizens are killed by their mistakes and lack of thought and foresight. We all see this everyday, yet we continue to live in denial.

ShyNeptune:

From the graphical figure you gave, who came up with the stats? Why is it hard for you to believe in God but easy for you to believe in one imaginary statistics. smiley
Ah, finally...

ShyNeptune:

I just try not to believe in anything anymore (scientific of religios) until I can see, feel and verify.
Lol. Says the one who assumes Nigeria will be worse off without religion, and discards facts and data from 'atheist' societies that prove otherwise. It's well.


By the way, If proving religion is false will make you take up arms to slaughter your parents and family, you can have your religion. Others don't need such chains for their love is not written in Holie Books, but within themselves. No GOd, no matter how powerful or real, will make me kill a fellow human.

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Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by Nobody: 9:16am On Mar 21, 2016
plaetton:

Have you taken your own pilgrimage to Umudike yet?
cheesy
Soon brother. #buyNaijaBelieveNaija grin
Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by plaetton: 9:25am On Mar 21, 2016
musKeeto:

Soon brother. #buyNaijaBelieveNaija grin

I asked because that's my home.
Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by Nobody: 9:28am On Mar 21, 2016
plaetton:


I asked because that's my home.
shocked really? That's cool. Hope there will be free suya, isi ewu and all the mende mende... grin

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Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by plaetton: 9:34am On Mar 21, 2016
musKeeto:

shocked really? That's cool. Hope there will be free suya, isi ewu and all the mende mende... grin
Sure thing.
Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by Nobody: 10:50am On Mar 21, 2016
musKeeto:
Lol. Another case of giving a dog a bad name to hang it.


I really have no idea where your kind make up these sort of assumptions and hold unto them, despite evidence to the contrary. Christian/Muslim fights has been responsible for most of the violence we've experienced in our country. Africa with religions has been nothing but a blood zone, a place of suffering, a continent unable to take care of itself or provide for its children. Yet, we remain the most religious and superstitious.


Religion was invented out of our fears and ignorance. Yes, it helped our race and species as it helped foster a sense of identity and togetherness. But we must realize when what once helped us has become an impediment to our growth and further expansion.


There's no need to picture one. I live in a Nigeria where about 99% believe in God. I see violence on the streets and on the frontpage of NL. We all suffer from the criminal activities of Bible and Quran swearing politicians. Where officials blame demons or 'God knows best', when their citizens are killed by their mistakes and lack of thought and foresight. We all see this everyday, yet we continue to live in denial.


Ah, finally...


Lol. Says the one who assumes Nigeria will be worse off without religion, and discards facts and data from 'atheist' societies that prove otherwise. It's well.


By the way, If proving religion is false will make you take up arms to slaughter your parents and family, you can have your religion. Others don't need such chains for their love is not written in Holie Books, but within themselves. No GOd, no matter how powerful or real, will make me kill a fellow human.
Haha you really cracked me up!
I can't really say much for Islam, but christainity has done more good than harm. Kindly tell me one christain you know who killed for his God in this present world. Do you know any?

In your words below
Religion was invented out of our fears and ignorance.
Do you really think that was why religion was created? Funny. Years ago, some great philosophers Envisaged a future where immorality and Crime became the order of the day. They sought out a way to save mankind from his inhumanity. Then finally they came up with religion as a tool to forestall the impending doom.
I'm not a religios man, I only believe that religion is the best tool to control man. That's why it's easier for a pastor to control his followers than for a governor to control his citizens. The only problem with religion is that it got contaminated over the years.

I dislike religious men because they try to force their believes down the throat of non believers. And that's the same line the atheists are now towing. Atheists of today are now trying to force their believe down the throats of others.
Once again, leave religion for the religious.
Cos the moment everyone go with the believe that there is no God is the moment the world will come to an end because of man's natural greed and his inhumanity to his fellow man.

The fact that youre an atheist and a peaceful atheist does not mean that everyone will make a peaceful atheist too. Not everyone can control the power of atheism.
Leave religion for the religious smiley

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Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by Nobody: 11:38am On Mar 21, 2016

I just try not to believe in anything anymore (scientific of religios) until I can see, feel and verify.


Lol. People dey reason sha.
Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by Scholar8200(m): 3:53pm On Mar 21, 2016
plaetton:


Imagine if public officers swore to my village Oracle while taking oath of office.
There would be less corruption and more corpses on the evil forest.
Now can you explain what scientific process would be responsible for that.
Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by Verbalist(m): 4:02pm On Mar 21, 2016
cckris:

Sorry sir, I was addressing Mr Lucifer. Ok. I don't know whether you're Nigerian. But in old times, when plagues happened, villages usually sacrificed some virgins or young men. Even today when some traditional rulers die, they're not buried alone. That kind of DARKNESS didn't show how to build bridges, houses, or even utensils. They were called Esu, Ekwensu, but always evil. I didn't create these names.

You've been brainwashed beyond redemption.

Ekwensu is no devil. Pre-colonial Igbo religion has no force/spirit opposed to Chukwu.


It's all fabricated by the colonialist-missionaries

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Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by Verbalist(m): 4:13pm On Mar 21, 2016
michaelisafiade:
May the light of the word of God shines on you. The word (Bible) that you blaspheme, may it deliver you from darkness into light. Amen
Let it first of all deliver all the believers plagued and ravaged by hunger and diseases globally.


Let it deliver simpletons continously fleeced of their hard-earned peanuts by Pastorpreneurs.


Let it deliver the innumerable hapless victims of religious violence.


Funny lots.... You christians

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Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by Precial419: 5:47pm On Mar 21, 2016
to be an atheist does not mean u have to be violent.religion does not define morality but morality does defines religion
Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by cloudgoddess(f): 11:06pm On Mar 21, 2016
ShyNeptune:

Africa without religion will be nothing but a blood zone. Why do you think religion was invented in the first place? As an atheist, you have to think far and wide. Just picture a scene where no Nigerian believe in God, trust me, even the Government won't be able to control the citizens no more.
From the graphical figure you gave, who came up with the stats? Why is it hard for you to believe in God but easy for you to believe in one imaginary statistics. smiley
I'm not trying to sound religious grin , I just try not to believe in anything anymore (scientific of religios) until I can see, feel and verify.
Africa without religion will be nothing but a blood zone.
People across Africa are already slaughtering nonbelievers, "witches" (children included), and homosexuals by the droves, directly for religiously-motivated reasons. Whether religion is doing anything positive for Africans as far as keeping crime at bay is highly questionable (and in my opinion extremely unlikely) considering the large amount of crime that's commited already even in the presence of high religiosity, AND in the name of religion itself.

From the graphical figure you gave, who came up with the stats? Why is it hard for you to believe in God but easy for you to believe in one imaginary statistics.
The first was from the 2009 Global Peace Index, the second was from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. Not sure why you would automatically dismiss them as imaginary, perhaps your own bias was clouding your interpretation? Manually looking up the crime rates & rates of religiosity for the individual countries would yeild the same patterns; I've done it for a few of the countries shown on the second graph.

Across the board it seems that secular developed societies have far overgrown the need for religion. There's no reason to believe, then, that even if certain key areas are improved (like education, government, & wealth distribution, which in Nigeria are all currently very flawed), other countries would not be able to thrive in the absense of widespread strongly held religious beliefs as well.

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Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by Nobody: 11:11pm On Mar 21, 2016
cloudgoddess:

Africa without religion will be nothing but a blood zone.
People are already slaughtering nonbelievers, "witches" (children included), and homosexuals directly for religiously-motivated reasons. Whether or not religion is doing anything positive for Nigerians as far as keeping crime at bay is highly questionable considering the large amount of crime that's commited already even in the presence of high religiosity, AND in the name of religion itself.

From the graphical figure you gave, who came up with the stats? Why is it hard for you to believe in God but easy for you to believe in one imaginary statistics.
The first was from the 2009 Global Peace Index, the second was from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. Not sure why you would automatically dismiss them as imaginary, seems like your own bias was clouding your interpretation.

Manually looking up the crime rates & rates of religiosity for the individual countries would yeild the same patterns; I've done it for a few of the countries shown on the second graph. Across the board it seems that secular developed societies have far overgrown the need for religion. There's no reason to believe, then, that even if certain key areas are improved (like education, government, & wealth distribution, which in Nigeria are all currently very flawed), other countries would not be able to thrive in the absense of widespread strongly held religious beliefs as well.
Cool. I get your point. smiley
But do you know why and how religion came into being?
Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by Nobody: 11:13pm On Mar 21, 2016
sonOfLucifer:

I just try not to believe in anything anymore (scientific or religious) until I can see, feel and verify.


Lol. People dey reason sha.
grin
There was an error in the post. I've corrected it smiley
Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by cloudgoddess(f): 11:25pm On Mar 21, 2016
ShyNeptune:

Cool. I get your point. smiley
But do you know why and how religion came into being?
How: Collaberative efforts of human imagination & storytelling, guided by the natural human inclination to attribute causes & effects where there are none, and to assume supernatural causes for unexplained phenomena.

Why: To provide answers to questions people had no way of answering yet (in the absense of science), such as what caused the weather and disease (Sun & rain gods, for example, were very common in early polytheistic societies, & diseases & bad weather were nearly always attributed to curses and upset deities). To help govern societies and provide mental strength in an age where resources were limited, war was rampant, and democracy was not yet invented. To give hope to the poor and dying. To alleviate the concerns regarding what happened after death, and avoid the pain of death by inventing an afterlife to look forward to.

Mostly for psychological, emotional, & political needs - the majority of which, as thriving modern secular societies have proven, can now be more than sufficiently met by non-religious means.

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Re: What If The Bible Is A Lie? by analice107: 11:55pm On Mar 21, 2016
sonOfLucifer:

How? You love silly generalizations, don't you? Helps you to understand the world better when you put people in the little boxes you have in your head.


I'm an atheist in love with Satan. It's the only medium via which I can show the stupidity of the Abrahamic faiths.


Oh yes I do. I hate all religions equally. But tell me the last time Nigeria celebrated holidays for our local festivals? But we celebrate the Islamic and Christian ones. The Muslims and Christians are the ones who make our laws.Maybe you'd prefer to be a minority?


Hehehe. When you can't understand them, put them in a box.

Happy Weekend jare.
An atheist who is in love with the devil. Hmm, that tells a lot. Why won't we have us an atheist who is in love with Yahweh?

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