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Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Nobody: 3:04am On Mar 22, 2016 |
davo3286: You still haven't answered my question. What is the effect of reduced spring travel on a matched-length damper? Dullard? That would be you. What is the effect of installing an exposed cone filter in an engine bay, with no provision to shield it from hot air? What effect does ingested hot air have on engine output? Honda spent billions on research and development of an air cleaner assembly, that draws cold air into the intake. You completely reversed that set-up in a few minutes, improving nothing. This alone proves you know little about how an automobile works, and will simply fit anything that exists aftermarket. Give intelligent responses to the points I've raised, prove there is a bit of grey between your ears, and quit revelling in your ignorance. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Divinne: 7:29am On Mar 22, 2016 |
LeJeun3: Siena, learn from other peoples experience. I am not here to convince you but to introduce a product that saves suspension components on bad roads. The threads are many, give it up cos you have failed. 22nd May 2015, 12:53 #46 sachin.sql not aware that he can set his status here! Awesome Join Date May 2015 Posts 1 I just installed car coil buffer Hi Last week i installed car coil buffer in my Hyundai Eon and really it makes difference. Dhad-Dhad has been reduced and i was using CNG so it increased height also. 1 Like |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Nobody: 7:40am On Mar 22, 2016 |
Divinne: Nope, he hasn't failed. You continue to provide comical relief as you defend this hack of an unsafe device. 1 Like |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Divinne: 8:40am On Mar 22, 2016 |
EgunMogaji: It is a shame that a wanna be UK auto celebrity does not have a clue on coil spring assisters/cushion buffers and the benefits. Shamefully contact your UK based manufacturer of coil spring assisters for education. www.springassisters.com they have been manufacturing and distributing this product all over the UK for over 10 years. Ewu Kabia!! 2 Likes |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Divinne: 8:46am On Mar 22, 2016 |
Divinne: www.springassisters.co.uk |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Nobody: 9:21am On Mar 22, 2016 |
Divinne: Don't act like you're thicker than you already come across. In the beginning of this thread, I DID mention these assisters are used on the rear of vehicles for TOWING. At the rear, my man. I know all about springassistersuk. You are marketing these products as a permanent solution to reduce suspension travel ALL ROUND. Which is not the purpose they were designed for. They are NOT a solution for worn dampers, or sagging springs. I have not seen these for years, mainly because there are real heavy duty springs with matched dampers. You can't alter the length of a spring, and expect the damper (which is longer) to work. Another thing...check on VOSA's website. Vehicles WILL fail an MOT if they are presented for testing with ANY restrictors between the coil springs that were not on the car when it left the factory, simple. Quit acting like a morön. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Divinne: 10:03am On Mar 22, 2016 |
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Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Nobody: 10:25am On Mar 22, 2016 |
Divinne, I have no idea why you've posted the screenshots above. Clearly you're doing some research, however the issues here are you're NOT responding to the points I raised, or looking in the right places for the answers. I have nothing against you as a person, I've never met, or spoken to you. You may be as nice as pie, you may be a right tool, who knows? Back to the topic at hand. When one sells, or promotes a product or service, they must be prepared to respond to queries from all angles and perspectives. You can NOT see any queries as daft, they are ALL valid. This is why I asked you this: What is the effect of restricted spring travel on a matched-length telescopic damper? This is a simple question, and one which the more astute motorist and potential buyer is likely to ask amongst others. How you respond may make the difference in turning a lead into a sale. If you don't know, either do some more research, or ask! You don't get crucified for lack of knowledge regarding a product or service you're promoting. But you'll certainly get slated if you act like a douche, and refuse to accept scientific facts. 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Divinne: 11:34am On Mar 22, 2016 |
Siena: 4WD MODS SHOCK ABSORBERS EXPLAINED Their workings aren't well understood and they're not all the same - February 2016 Shock absorbers are probably the least understood components of a 4WD's suspension. These devices are more properly called dampers and their function is to control spring action. If you want to understand the function of a shock absorber or damper try driving a vehicle with none fitted to it: it’s a terrifying experience. Springs that aren’t damped oscillate up and down and the vehicle can get out of control at very low speeds. The first sprung vehicles were horse-drawn and were fitted with leaf springs. At the relatively low speeds possible with such vehicles the inherent self-damping action of tightly bound successive leaves was sufficient to control spring action, but the motor vehicle soon showed the need for better damping action. Early shock absorbers were simple friction types: ‘clutch’ plates clamped together. The first hydraulic shock absorbers were lever types, linking suspension action to a piston in an oil-filled cylinder. As seal technology improved the telescopic shock absorber took over and is still with us today. Essentially, shock absorbers are oil-filled tubes, with a piston and rod sliding inside. Valves in the piston and also in the base of twin-tube shockers restrict oil flow and that action slows down the natural action of the suspension, otherwise the bouncing action would go on and on. Shockers usually have more resistance to extension than compression and that makes sense when you think about it. When your 4WD hits a bump, the springs compress, then they extend as it passes over the bump. Making the shockers too stiff in 'bump' action would prevent the springs compressing properly. However, some ‘bump’ damping is necessary, to prevent the springs from ‘bottoming out’ prematurely. ‘Rebound’ damping slows the natural extension of the spring after bump action, limiting the tendency to ‘hobby-horse’. However, too much rebound damping stops the spring from extending properly. If the vehicle encounters a series of bumps, excessive rebound damping progressively ‘buttons down’ the suspension and ride quality suffers. ‘Bump’ and ‘rebound’ damping are necessary and dialling in the right amount of each is a science that surprisingly few suspension specialists understand. It's obvious that shockers need to be matched to the springs. Firstly, the length of travel of the shocker piston must exceed the suspension travel and, secondly, the internal valving must ensure that the shock absorbers aren't fighting what the springs are doing. It should be obvious from the foregoing that shock absorbers cannot increase the ride height of a vehicle. The only effect that shockers can have on suspension travel is a ‘damping’ or slowing action. Those with powerful bump damping can reduce body sway by resisting initial weight transfer as the vehicle enters a corner. 1 Like |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Divinne: 11:40am On Mar 22, 2016 |
Divinne:Read this again eapen eapen is offline Slow Coach Awesome Join Date Jun 2010 Posts 914 The highest pressure points in a coil spring are at the ends - the contact area. refer: Coil Spring Design Testing | Tekscan Name: coil-spring-pressure-profile.jpg Views: 1456 Size: 44.4 KB This is why some coil springs have flat ends - to distribute the load over a wider area. End points if damped are done with thick rubbers. The cushion buffer is of a softer urethane material having egg-shaped holes (as I said before) which compresses with the spring. Having a elastic cushioning buffer in the middle absorbs the shocks & thereby reduces the spring movement & shock absorber load. This helps the suspension parts - struts, springs, lower arms, tie-rod ends to last longer. Last edited by eapen; 1st Aug 2012 at 16:16. Slow Coach Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Send PM 1 Like |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Divinne: 12:13pm On Mar 22, 2016 |
Siena: Thank you for failing finally. What you used to know is spring assisters. You have never seen or used coil spring cushion buffer. Coil spring cushion buffer is an innovation from spring assisters. There is a difference between normal spring inserts/rubber spacers and cushion buffers. spring inserts do not have holes. These rubber spacers are purely made to not allow the coil spring compress further especially while carrying heavy loads in the rear urethane coil spring cushion buffer design has on the sides egg shaped holes to allow the cushion to flex with the coil springs adding to comfort & stability. The material - urethane is also uniquely designed to be durable & absorb shocks. Never argue over what you know nothing about!! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Nobody: 1:24pm On Mar 22, 2016 |
Divinne: Failing? That's what you've done. Failed to answer a simple question. All I asked you was this: What is the effect of restricted spring travel on a matched telescopic damper? Instead of responding, you proceeded to copy and paste entire blocks of text lifted from an Internet forum, that have absolutely nothing to do with the question posed. You're not very bright, are you? You're meant to defend the product you're selling / promoting, and you can't even accomplish that. You're a tool, and have no concept of how any part of an automobile functions. You have failed in every sense to inspire confidence in something you're meant to believe in. Whilst urethane will compress more than solid rubber, it will still limit suspension travel. If it didn't, then you wouldn't be selling it. Spring and damper length and travel MUST be matched in ANY application. Alter one of these components, either the spring or the damper, and they are no longer a matched assembly. You have compromised the dynamics in its entirety. Interestingly, suspension is one of the more complex aspects on an automobile. Complex enough for automobile manufacturers NOT to get it right every time, first time, despite them spending billions on research and development. Which is why manufacturers continuously revise suspension geometry on their models. It is not uncommon to find for example, a 1998-2001 Toyota Camry 2.2 I4 DOHC 16V with up to 6 different spring and damper revisions made over 3 years, despite being the same trim level, same manual transmission and overall vehicle weight. And here you are with your "big budget" researched urethane feeling that in 30 minutes, you can better what automobile manufacturers have spent decades and billions of £££ putting together. It is also amongst the most reactive and sensitive mechanical assemblies on an automobile. Me argue over "what I know nothing about?" If only you knew! Tell me what YOU know about what you're pedalling here? You can't even defend it without copying and pasting from the 'net. How sad is it hat? I know more about what YOU are selling, how it works and the subsequent way an automobile reacts to the most minute change in suspension geometry. Crack on with your copying and pasting. I get that it's much easier than using your own brain, but dayumm! Put your thought process to use once in a while, unless you're concerned it may "wear out" prematurely, like suspension components that don't have the added benefit of "urethane cushions" to protect them. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by apexquest(m): 3:57pm On Mar 22, 2016 |
@siena i humbly wish to recommend that you let sleeping dog lie, cos its pretty obvious that there is nothing you are going to say that will change the young man's(devinne) conviction. |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Nobody: 4:27pm On Mar 22, 2016 |
apexquest: Bro, I agree. It's just that once one gets defensive by being rude and abusive (rather than objective) I get kind of riled. How you dey? 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Nobody: 4:43pm On Mar 22, 2016 |
Divinne: What a conflicting feeling. Not sure if I should be happy or sad ![]() |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Nobody: 5:18pm On Mar 22, 2016 |
EgunMogaji: Egun, you've relocated to the UK? ![]() 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by davo3286: 7:03pm On Mar 22, 2016 |
Siena: Sorry I don't waste my time on unintelligent questions like that. Look, Siena, I'm not here to prove anything to anyone so quit giving me stupid quizzes. People have different reasons for doing what they do whether modification or otherwise. I may decide to delete my exhaust muffler and install a magnaflow stainless exhaust muffer or system with a big circular or oval tip for aesthetics (because to me it looks sexy from behind) while another person might love it because of the roar (the deep sound) it produces while accelerating from red light. Like they say - different strokes for different folks. I think you're just being old school with old backward thinking. Yes, that's what you are. 1 Like |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by davo3286: 7:11pm On Mar 22, 2016 |
EgunMogaji: No big deal about K&N filters hence the pictures I uploaded. From your comments it shows you have no practical know-how so it's a sheer waste of time talking to you about things as such. You have no competence whatsoever. 2 Likes |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Nobody: 7:56pm On Mar 22, 2016 |
davo3286: The only reason you can't answer my simple query is simple - you don't know the answer, because you're thick. And you're ego won't let you admit you don't know, and ask. My questions are beyond the scope of one who installs a cone filter, and leaves the engine to ingest hot air. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Nobody: 8:19pm On Mar 22, 2016 |
davo3286: So says the rasclot that doesn't know jack about suspension and flogs shyte products on unsuspecting motorists. I know enough to stay clear of your kamikaze fleece product. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by apexquest(m): 9:21pm On Mar 22, 2016 |
Siena:I understand... I dey fine senior bros... |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by corneli83(m): 11:46pm On Mar 22, 2016 |
Divinne:" |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by davo3286: 11:03am On Mar 23, 2016 |
Siena: I'm not here to compete with anyone... You can come here and drop all the trash you read online about any subject but that doesn't make you an authority in that same subject over other people. That does not also mean you have practical/technical know-how. 2 Likes |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Nobody: 11:22am On Mar 23, 2016 |
davo3286: Of course you're here to compete. I don't need online material to bolster my knowledge in my discipline. I leave that to you, who would copy and paste, including mistakes others have made, because you're too dense to notice. My automobile knowledge is as vast as your overall brain power is little. Please answer my questions, and prove you're not a simpleton, using verbal abuse to hide your inadequacies. |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by davo3286: 12:30pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
Siena: You're a kid and like I said before, Im not here to compete with anyone. Your question is irrelevant just as you are so no need. You have no real automobile knowledge apart from what you read online, acting lord over your foolishness. Stop deceiving yourself. You know NOTHING! 1 Like |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Nobody: 12:45pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
davo3286: Every question posted in an online forum is relevant when the discussion is technical. You have proven you're thick, by side stepping simple questions. Fitting a K&N filter without shielding it from hot air in the engine bay is the height of ignorance. You can't defend your own foolishness, otherwise you would have done so by now. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by davo3286: 8:09pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
Siena: You're such an unrepentant idiot! Lolz...I laugh you in fulani. You must be a stupid fool! If you want to engage me in a technical discourse lets meet up face-to-face and engage ourselves on some technicalities and see who's more knowledgeable...not here on NL. I needed to show the other dimwit @EgunMogaji that installing a KN filter is no facking big deal, hence the pictures. Plus you're so dumb to believe that anyone would install a KN filter without installing the shield that came with it as a complete kit or use an improvised/fabricated one. 1 Like |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Nobody: 8:48pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
davo3286: Covering up your foolishness and general lack of common sense with verbal abuse. It doesn't work. Any normal human would have simply answered the question, to prove you've got a couple of brain cells to rub together. And you are showing your ignorance even more - K&N cone filters do NOT come with heat shields! They are pretty universal, coming with a few metal brackets to mount the cone, a worm clip to attach it to your MAF, or an adapter plate. No heat shield is supplied. If yours was supplied with one, why didn't you install it before you chose to demonstrate your extreme lack of mechanical knowledge for all to see? You're right in one aspect - I don't believe that anyone would install a cone filter without an adequate head shield, and cold air feed. But you're not anyone, you're Thick Davo. I can almost hear the rusty cogs in that bony cranium of yours grating, as you try to extricate yourself from your bed of ignorance. You say you simply posted those pictures to prove to EgunMogaji that you're well versed in a K&N installation. Very contradictory, seeing as you previously stated you have nothing to prove, and you're not in competition with anyone. Liar! Since you made a lame attempt to prove a point to Egun, do the same with me by answering MY question. You keep running in circles, hoping to deflect attention from your lack of knowledge by getting abusive, or hope I will engage in a slanging match with you, and forget you've been unable to respond to simple, basic technical queries. As for meeting you face to face to engage in any sort of technical discussion, you only threw that into the fray because you know none of us are likely to fork out the funds to visit the other. Pull the other one! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Nobody: 9:03pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
Least I forget, brainy Davo. Apparently I'm an unrepentant idiòt, big foòl, backward etc so-and-so. Of the over 1-odd million Nairaland subscribers, why would you even choose to follow me? Since I'm all you say I am, why not find more intelligent people to follow? You're following 5 members, yet you decided I was worthy enough to be one of the 5. Man, a moroníc chimp wouldn't envy you the mess you call a brain. For day to day living, your brain is adequate. To engage in any worthwhile technical discussion, it's as useful a chocolate teapot. ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Nobody: 9:21pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
davo3286: Sure, go ahead call me a nitwit. I believe though that your chance of selling this your snake oil has been shattered on here ![]() Not bad at all for a nitwit eh ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Nobody: 9:24pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
Siena: On behalf of Siena, I apologize to all chocolate teapots. I'm that they'll be upset to be lumped in with this shenanigans from this Santorum. |
Re: Save Your Vehicles Shock Absorber With Shock Absorber Cushion Buffer by Nobody: 11:47pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
Siena:Siena free the guy. When discusing with someone and u see him resorting to insults {as is typical with our country men}, know that the facts to depend himself are not available. We follow you with keen interest and seeing notifications of this reharshed topic, single repeated question and yet the guy dey dodge it. I even have a feeling na the same person dey answer you all this while {op and the other moniker}. Imagine if someone inserts this rubber to his rear wheels and the potholes wey dey this country, hit any pothole and the rear will be bouncing be that {since the springs are technically eliminated}. When someone doesnt know how something works, how do you expect him to have a good maintenance culture and when the component eventually spoils, na for him to find rubber tie to it, likewise if he is to buy another na to tie it with rubber to prolong its lifespan. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 2 Likes 1 Share |
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