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Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by malvisguy212: 11:57pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
There is a religious ruling in Islam that is taught and upheld by prominent Islamic scholars. This religious ruling reveals the approval of ince$t within its theology. a Muslim man is permitted to marry hisown biological daughter and consummate the marriage with her if she was conceived illegitimately. In other words, a Muslim man is permitted to marry his own biological daughter if she is born to him out of wedlock. The foundation for Incest in Islam is laid in the following verse: Surah 25:54: It is He Who has created man from water: then has He established RELATIONSHIP OF LINEAGE AND MARRIAGE: for thy Lord has power over all things. (Yusuf Ali) Al-Qurtubi is one of Islam’s premiere commentators. In his Commentary (Tafsir) on Surah 25:54, he quotes Ibn Al-Arabi (1165 C.E. – 1240 C.E.), the most influential author of Islamic history. He is also known to his supporters as al-Shaykh al-Akbar (The Greatest Master). Al-Qurtubi wrote: REGARDING THE TERMS “LINEAGE AND RELATIONSHIP THROUGH MARRIAGE”: “Lineage and relationship through marriage are two terms that describe the personal relationships that may exist between humans.” Ibn Al-Arabi said, “Lineage is an expression referring to the mixture of fluids between a male and a female from a religious legal point of view. However, if this union (between male and female) occurs through disobedience (fornication) then the resulting child is not considered a part of a person’s true lineage. That is why a daughter born from adultery is not mentioned in Allah’s saying, ‘Prohibited to you (for marriage) are: your mothers and daughters’ (Surah 4:23) because she is not considered a daughter according to the most authentic teaching of our (Islamic) scholars and the most authentic teaching of our religion. If there is no legal lineage then there is no legal relationship; for adultery does not prohibit (from marriage) the daughter of the mother (you committed adultery with) nor the mother of a woman (you committed adultery with). What is lawfully prohibited is not also prohibited due to sin, for Allah has bestowed lineage and relation through marriage upon His servants and greatly esteemed these relationships. Allah has also established laws identifying what is legal and what is prohibited, which are not equal to each other; therefore falsehood cannot be a part of these laws.” ( Tafseer Qurtubi, Surah 25 verse 54; Translated from Al-Azhar’s official website). How can one illegal act (adultery) make another illegal act (ince$t) lawful? How can the sin of adultery (zina) nullify the sin of ince$t and make it an acceptable act? Can two wrongs ( adultery and incest) make a right? And the second wrong that is permitted in Islam with the blessing of Allah is ince$t between a father and his daughter. How does having a daughter from an adulterous relationship make her sexually permissible for the father when she is in every sense his very own flesh and blood? No matter how she is conceived, she still remains his biological child and should be sexually off limits to him. This is a gross violation of the divine standard of morality. Just think, will the true God permit incest intentionally? |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by magicalBae(f): 11:59pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
Op sorry but u're. a liar, even lai mohammed wil prostrate for you. Read below: "And marry not those women whom your fathers married, except what has already happened (of that nature) in the past. Lo! It was ever lewdness and abomination, and an evil way. Forbidden unto you are your mothers and your daughters, and your sisters and your father's sisters and your mother's sisters, and your brother's daughters and your sister's daughters, and your foster-mothers and your foster-sisters, and your mothers-in-law and your step-daughters who are under your mother-in-law and your step-daughters who are under your protection (born) of your women unto whom you have gone into -- but if you have not gone into them, then it is no sin for you (to marry their daughters) -- and the wives of your sons from your own loins, and that you should have two sisters together, except what has already happened (of that nature) in the past. Allah is ever-Forgiving, Merciful." [Noble Quran 4:22-24] From the above verses, it is clear that a Muslim must never marry the following: His mother His step-mother (this practice continues in Yoruba land in Nigeria, where in some cases the eldest son inherits the youngest wife of his father) His grandmother (including father's and mother's mothers and all preceding mothers' e.g. great grandmothers) His daughter (including granddaughters and beyond) His sister (whether full, consanguine or uterine) His father's sisters (including paternal grandfather's sisters) His mother's sisters (including maternal grandmother's sisters) His brother's daughters His foster mother His foster mother's sister His sister's daughter His foster sister His wife's mother His step-daughter (i.e. a daughter by a former husband of a woman he has married if the marriage has been consummated. However, if such a marriage was not consummated, there is no prohibition) His real son's wife A great wisdom lies behind these prohibitions on the grounds of consanguinity, affinity, and fosterage. No social cohesion can exist if people do not keep these prohibitions in their minds while contracting marriages. I seek refuge with Allāh from the accursed Shaytan. 19 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by malvisguy212: 12:12am On Mar 24, 2016 |
Islam cannot be the true religion, According to Islam’s logic, it is like saying that it is wrong to drive recklessly and kill someone only if you possess a valid driving license. However, it is perfectly all right to drive dangerously and kill someone if you do not possess a valid driving license. Not having a driving license, somehow justifies your driving dangerously. Similarly, not having a legal marital status (marriage license) somehow justifies incest in Islam. Surah 4:23, “Your wives’ mothers,” BUT DID NOT SAY, “He who committed adultery with his wives’ mothers, NOR HIS DAUGHTER WHOME HE CONCEIVED THROUGH ADULTERY.” Thus, it can be noted that in this instance, incest between a father and daughter is sanctioned in Islam for two reasons. Firstly, it is because Allah does not recognize the lineage of the daughter who is born out of wedlock. Secondly, it is because Allah did not forbid this form of incestuous marriage in the Qur’an. As a result, a man’s daughter becomes permissible to him if he is not married to her mother at the time of her conception. 2 Likes |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by malvisguy212: 7:08am On Mar 24, 2016 |
magicalBae:before you make comment, read the op very well, alright. I don't think you understand the verse you quote, yes, islam prohibit same marriage, UNLES the baby is given birth out of WEDLOCK. Surah 4:23, “Your wives’ mothers,” BUT DID NOT SAY, “He who committed adultery with his wives’ mothers, NOR HIS DAUGHTER WHOME HE CONCEIVED THROUGH ADULTERY.” Allah does not recognize the lineage of the daughter who is born out of wedlock. Secondly, it is because Allah did not forbid this form of incestuous marriage in the Qur’an. Al-Fiqh Ala al Madahib al Arba’a by Sheikh Abdurehman Jazri, Volume 4, page 40: “It is permissible for a man to marry his daughter who is born through adultery.” “The one (girl) who is born through adultery does not become mahram (to her father) as the Shafiee say, because she is not considered as daughter since there is no inheritance between them. 1 Like |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by magicalBae(f): 8:58am On Mar 24, 2016 |
malvisguy212: All these scholars you are quoting here and there, are they not the same set of people (some tho) that are brain washing those fo¤l who think Killing people is a key to paradise? Can't imagine how they will ruth in hell. You see the verses I quoted above, those are words from God and conveyed by Angel Gabriel to prophet Muhammad... U can't marry your blood in Islam regardless of any situation. Sir stop Google searching and pick a copy of the Holy Qu'ran to have a broader knowledge. Thanks 4 Likes |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by malvisguy212: 10:01am On Mar 24, 2016 |
magicalBae:let me repeat myself again. YES, the quran forbid muslims to marry from their bloodline, BUT the child which is conceive out of wedlock, allah does not recognize such child, such child are allow to marry from their bloodline. Surah 4:23, “Your wives’ mothers,” But did not say, “He who committed adultery with his wives’ mothers, nor his daughter whom he conceived through adultery.” This is from the same quran you are asking me to read, how do you explain this verse ? Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 29, Hadith 3952: Narrated Abu Hurayrah: The Prophet said: The child of adultery is worst of the three. Can you accept this insanity? How can an innocent child be considered as a greater sinner than the parents who brought the child into the world through adultery? This is Islam for you. The acceptability of Incest in Islam may come as a shock for Muslims who are not familiar with the teachings of their own religion. We hope this article will serve as a wake-up call for them. 1 Like |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by Annunaki(m): 10:39am On Mar 24, 2016 |
malvisguy212: I think you are wrong here, it's like you are insinuating what is not expressly stated in the quoran. However that said, mohammed was suspected himself of having had an incestuous relationship with his daughter fatimah. There is a hadith that says mohammed used to go to fatimah and her husband's tent at odd ours of the night and lie on their bed btw them. |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by Visitor700: 1:37pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
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Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by Empiree: 2:26pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
Malvisguy2012, you again? I'm sorry islam dey give you sleepless night. Too bad. Google ain't going to help you, buddy. If you looking for incest...there are bunch in the Bible 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by malvisguy212: 3:39pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
Visitor700:and the child that is being born out of wedlock, Allah did not recognize him or she, such child can marry from his relative. Empiree:do you know the reason I open this thread ? I live in kaduna, in the midst of hausa muslims, I have witness a muslim marry from his relation (believe me) and when I ask , they say it was no sin because they are from different mother. |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by Empiree: 3:54pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
malvisguy212:can you differentiate Islam from their tradition 1 Like |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by Annunaki(m): 4:03pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
Empiree: The hausa muslims have completely lost their culture and traditions in their blind adherence to islam which dominates their culture, traditions, politics and beliefs. |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by Empiree: 4:09pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
Annunaki:when you clear your head kindly let me know 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by Annunaki(m): 7:52pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
Empiree: When you renounce islam, kindly let me know. |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by analice107: 8:41pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
magicalBae:Sweet heart, you seem like a nice enough fellow, but abeg no vex you hear, but how u take know say that being wey been try kill Muhammed nah the same with Angel Gabriel? You why I dey ask? You see, that being been no even introduce himself as Jibril to Muhammed, so how Muhammed to know sotayyy, him come dey say nah Gabriel. |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by Empiree: 8:41pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
Annunaki:
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Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by malvisguy212: 9:09pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
Empiree:they are muslims. Devoted muslims. |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by truthman2012(m): 9:53pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
Annunaki: Yes, it is the Hausas that are the true muslims, no wonder they don't pray behind a Yoruba leading prayer. It is the Hausas that are actually following the words of allahh and his sole prophet, Muhammad. One of my wife's friends once lived in Zaria, Kaduna state. She said she had witnessed many Hausa muslims exchanging their wives. Allahh talks about exchange of wives in the quran. But ask a Yoruba muslim, he will say no. Temporary wives (another name for adultery) as stated in the quran is also commonly practiced among the Hausas. Yet the quran condemns adultery. Which should muslims believe? Confusion. One thing I have noticed about allahh, quran and muslims is that they are never consistent. Allahh would say something is bad today and say the same thing is good tomorrow. How do you follow that type of spirit? Is that not a clear deception? So, if allahh says no to marriage between father and daughter especially the one born outside wedlock, I wouldn't be surprised if he says yes in another verse of the quran. Muslims' way of defending islam is using a contradictory verse to defend another contradictory verse. A verse says you can marry your daughter, another verse says no and when you say islam permits marriage with ones daughter and you quote the verse, muslims will jump out and say no, quoting a verse that doesn't support such an act as if both are not from the same quran. Can you marry a non-muslim? Yes and no. See many of such contradictions here: www.nairaland.com/2511448/contradictions-quran This allahh self tire me o !!! 1 Like |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by Empiree: 10:41pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
malvisguy212:Yeyeman |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by Visitor700: 10:56pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
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Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by malvisguy212: 8:04am On Mar 25, 2016 |
Visitor700:Good, marrying relative like cousins, is it not incest? |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by Annunaki(m): 8:05am On Mar 25, 2016 |
truthman2012: That is why I strongly believe that the quoran is just the whims and caprices of mohammed. His so called revelations are whatever suits his fancy depending on his agenda at the time of 'revelation'. That's why it's full of inconsistencies and can never be the work of God but that of a demon possessed mongrel. |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by malvisguy212: 8:12am On Mar 25, 2016 |
Empiree:the terrorist are following tradition, right ? |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by malvisguy212: 8:14am On Mar 25, 2016 |
truthman2012:YES, you are correct, they exchange their wives, the yoruba muslims will deny this. 1 Like |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by truthman2012(m): 12:43pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
malvisguy212: But let us look at it critically, can the true God allow immoral things as exchanging wives and temporary wives? See what allahh says about exchanging wives: Qur'an 33:52 It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens): and Allah doth watch over all things. I want to see if there is any Yoruba muslim that will dispute the fact that allahh permits exchange of wives. The question therefore is: would the true God permit such a disgusting thing? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by Empiree: 1:26pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
malvisguy212:when u get sense, hola at me |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by Visitor700: 2:19pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
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Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by malvisguy212: 2:38pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
Visitor700:Empiree, I would love it if you could reply visitor post. I know visitor is a hausa muslim. |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by Visitor700: 4:19pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
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Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by malvisguy212: 4:59pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
Visitor700:Alright bro. Is like Yemen and hausa muslims hold this view of incest. But yoruba muslims deny this fact. |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by magicalBae(f): 7:05pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
analice107: Go read the Qu'ran and the Prophet Hadith 2 Likes |
Re: Ince$t In The Qur’an ??? by analice107: 11:43pm On Mar 25, 2016 |
magicalBae:Which part? because the one I have read doesn't say the Jinn introduced himself to Muhammed as anything. Kadijat, Muhammed's sugar mummy and her senior brother were the ones who took Muhammed to go and see a divinner (juju man), after he attempted suicide, because he couldn't endure the torment the Jinn was subjecting him to. The soothsayer, being a stooge in Satan's hand, deceived Muhammed to believing that the being threatening to kill him, was indeed an Angel Gabriel of the Christian and the Jewish God. Muhammed just believed without consulting the Christians to find out the modus operandi of angel Gabriel. I think you should read your Koran and hadiths. 1 Like |
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