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Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by gbaskiboy: 2:29pm On Mar 27, 2016
TLisieux:
Jehovah's witnesses and their blind and lopsided interpretation of the bible. They go for assembly, don't believe in hell fire, don't believe that sunday is necessarily the Lord's day plus many other false teachings of Russell and Rutherford. Eg; 144,000 people only will go to heaven.
Jehovah's witness is a false religion. Infact they are a sect! Initially they used fear and lies to win converts eg; preaching and shouting about the war of armageddon in the 70s and 80s. Nobody should take any of their members seriously.
They say Christ asks us to do the memorial of his passion and death but do not believe in the same Christ that said that his apostles should forgive sins in his name. So what type of bible are they reading? They only pick parts of the bible that suits them.
Femi Aribisala = a confused man who reads his bible upside down.
Jehovah's witness = False religion.
Whatever you may say to dissuade or discourage these innocent member of JW can't work. Many keep coming into the organization as a result of truth they hear from the Bible albeit lies they have been taught from the Bible. If you care to know we are over 18M world wide and the number keep growing. We love u and our neighbors this one reason we keep calling on people who might even turn us down, we know with time the light of BIBLE truth will shine through their lives. Ask how many of ur church members study Bible with JW? But JW study Bible with ur church member at their homes? Bro! Stop hating we are ur friends!
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by thorpido(m): 2:29pm On Mar 27, 2016
iamord:
religious apologetics. Always coming up with a reason to defend the brain shackles placed upon yourself.
Jesus said unto them,if ye were blind,ye should have no sin,but now ye say,we see;therefore your sin and guilt remaineth'(John 9:41).
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by Nobody: 2:31pm On Mar 27, 2016
thorpido:
Every Christian practice is based on examples Jesus set and not because every Christian action starts with,'do this in remembrance of me'.
Examples we hardly follow.Do I need to remind you that he mostly spoke in parables. But when he drops the swagger of parables and took his time to speak in clear terms like he did in 1 Corinthians 11:24 then every sane person should know how important dying on the cross is to him and our salvation more than anything else.
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by owendei(m): 2:35pm On Mar 27, 2016
HungerBAD:
By Femi Aribisala

Most Christians are unaware that Easter is a pagan festival surreptitiously merged with Christianity.

Easter is not a Christian holiday. The word Easter is not even scriptural; it does not exist in true translations of the bible. Easter was smuggled into the King James Bible in Acts 12:4, where it was substituted for the original word; “Passover:” “When (Herod) had apprehended (Peter), he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

As a matter of fact, the word Easter only appears in the King James Version of English bible translations. It does not exist in any other English bible translation. Even the King James Version was forced to remove it from its revised version, known as the New King James Version. Queen of Heaven Most Christians are unaware that Easter is a pagan festival surreptitiously merged with Christianity.

Noah’s son, Ham, married a woman called Ashtoreth. In some cultures, Ashtoreth is called Ishtar, which is transliterated in English as Easter. Ashtoreth made herself “the Queen of Heaven;” the goddess of fertility and became an object of worship. This idol worship of Ashtoreth, later camouflaged in Christendom as Easter, is specifically forbidden in the scriptures. God says:

The women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke me to anger. Do they provoke me to anger? Do they not provoke themselves, to the shame of their own faces? Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, my anger and my fury will be poured out on this place.” (Jeremiah 7:17-20).

God punished Israel for succumbing to the worship of Ashtoreth (Ishtar): “They forsook the LORD and served Baal and the Ashtoreths. And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel. So he delivered them into the hands of plunderers who despoiled them.” (Judges 2:13-14). Accordingly, Samuel counselled Israel to forsake Ashtoreth (Ishtar) worship:

Then Samuel spoke to all the house of Israel, saying, ‘If you return to the LORD with all your hearts, then put away the foreign gods and the Ashtoreths from among you, and prepare your hearts for the LORD, and serve him only; and he will deliver you from the hand of the Philistines.” (1 Samuel 7:3). Sun worship Ham and Ashtoreth gave birth to a son called Nimrod. After Ham’s death, Nimrod married Ashtoreth; his own mother, and became a powerful king of ancient Babylon.

When Nimrod was also killed, Ashtoreth deified him as sun-god or life-giver. Indeed, Easter means “movement towards the rising sun.” It pertains to the religious rites of people who worship the sun and the signs of the heavens.

Sun worship is expressly forbidden in the scriptures. Ezekiel says: “I was then led into the temple’s inner courtyard, where I saw about twenty-five men standing near the entrance, between the porch and the altar. Their backs were to the LORD’s temple, and they were bowing down to the rising sun.

God said, ‘Ezekiel, it’s bad enough that the people of Judah are doing these disgusting things.’” (Ezekiel 8:16-17). Nevertheless, following this pagan tradition, “Sunrise Services” are conducted on Easter Sunday mornings in many Christian denominations. Hot crossed buns In Western Europe, it is traditional to eat hot-crossed buns on Easter Sunday morning. This is where we get the limerick: “Hot crossed buns; hot crossed buns. One a-penny, two a-penny, hot cross buns.

These small sweet buns are usually decorated with solar crosses made of white icing. They were consecrated in ancient Greece to the goddess of the sunrise. In ancient Babylon, the buns were offered to the Queen of Heaven; the goddess of Easter. Pagan Lent After the death of Nimrod, Ashtoreth (Ishtar) gave birth to Tammuz, a son she claimed was Nimrod reborn.

When Tammuz was killed by a wild boar, Ashtoreth instituted an annual ritual of 40 days of mourning for Baal worshippers, when no meat was allowed to be eaten. This pagan tradition of “weeping for Tammuz” is specifically proscribed in the scriptures. God said to Ezekiel: “Turn again, and you will see greater abominations that they are doing.

So he brought me to the door of the north gate of the LORD’S house; and to my dismay, women were sitting there weeping for Tammuz.” (Ezekiel 8:13-14). Nevertheless, weeping for Tammuz has been absorbed into Christianity by the institution of Lent; a 40-day period of fasting and prayer observed in some Christian denominations as a prelude to Easter.

Just like Easter, Lent is not scriptural. Neither the word nor the custom exist in the bible. Lent begins, according to Christian tradition, on Ash Wednesday; which is also pagan. The ashes were said to be the seed of the Indian fire god, Agni, deemed to have the power to forgive sins. Easter egg Because of their prolific nature in reproduction, rabbits were associated with Ishtar, the goddess of fertility. This is where Christians borrowed the tradition of the Easter bunny.

Ancient Babylonians believed an egg fell into the Euphrates River from the moon. Queen Ishtar was apparently “hatched” from this egg. This moon egg was called Ishtar’s egg; which became in Christendom Easter egg. Shifting date Have you noticed that your birthday falls on different days from year to year? So how come the celebration of Easter always falls on Friday and on Sunday? Moreover, unlike your birthday, the date for Easter changes from year to year.

Sometimes it is in March; sometimes in April. Easter moves from year to year because the date has nothing to do with the death and resurrection of Jesus but with the changing cycles of the moon. Easter is celebrated on the first Sunday after the first Vernal Equinox full moon; which is consecrated by pagans as Ishtar’s Sunday. This signifies the astronomical arrival of spring. The pagan belief is that the sun dies at winter (Christmas) and is reborn at spring (Easter).

Good Saturday Good Friday is also a misnomer. Jesus was not crucified on a Friday. The week in which he was crucified contained two Sabbaths and he was crucified on a Wednesday. The following Thursday was a high Sabbath day; the first day of unleavened bread. Jesus did not resurrect on a Sunday. He resurrected on a Saturday, which was a regular weekly Sabbath day different from the high Sabbath of the preceding Thursday. Mary Magdalene discovered the empty tomb on Sunday morning, while it was still dark.

Christians should realise that from Friday evening to Sunday morning does not constitute three days and three nights in the grave, but one day and two nights. The decision to change the day of the resurrection to Sunday was simply a continuation of the Babylonian tradition. Nimrod was ostensibly resurrected on a Sunday; a day devoted to worshipping the sun.

By AD 321, Constantine established Sunday as part of the official state religion, and the Sabbath was statutorily changed from Saturday to Sunday. Christians should desist from celebrating Easter: “Thus says the LORD: ‘Learn not the way of the nations, nor be dismayed at the signs of the heavens because the nations are dismayed at them, for the customs of the peoples are vanity.’” (Jeremiah 10:2-3).

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http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/03/christians-not-celebrate-easter/
u are a big fool. go back n learn how to blend history with religion.
I see u as an agent of the devil. but u have failed. in short, "get behind me SATAN!
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by TLisieux: 2:41pm On Mar 27, 2016
gbaskiboy:
Whatever you may say to dissuade or discourage these innocent member of JW can't work. Many keep coming into the organization as a result of truth they hear from the Bible albeit lies they have been taught from the Bible. If you care to know we are over 18M world wide and the number keep growing. We love u and our neighbors this one reason we keep calling on people who might even turn us down, we know with time the light of BIBLE truth will shine through their lives. Ask how many of ur church members study Bible with JW? But JW study Bible with ur church member at their homes? Bro! Stop hating we are ur friends!
Just 18m? Lol.
Seriously, only gullible people will sit down and study the bible with Jehovah's witnesses. They only know how to argue and teach heresy.
tongue
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by thorpido(m): 2:42pm On Mar 27, 2016
blueseacats:
Examples we hardly follow.Do I need to remind you that he mostly spoke in parables. But when he drops the swagger of parables and took his time to speak in clear terms like he did in 1 Corinthians 11:24 then every sane person should know how important dying on the cross is to him and our salvation more than anything else.
Dying on the cross and much more the resurrection is the seal of Christianity.It is very important.However,how could the death have occurred without the birth?It's like taking the white of an egg and not the yolk.It's a total package.
A Christian celebrates the birth,death and resurrection.
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by sunisky: 2:42pm On Mar 27, 2016
[color=#000099][/color]don't worth to be calling you a Christian, if you don't believe the resurrection of Jesus Christ, why did you believe in his birth? and not believing Easter period,
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by Ifedoyinmola(f): 2:47pm On Mar 27, 2016
sad I remember when I was celebrating my bday last year,I asked expected someone whom I love like crazy to come,but he is a JW,he ddnt come nd I was so hurt because it simple means he has nothing to celebrate abt me,that my existence does not really matter,I'm still hurt abt that and I think it's only one thing he can do to take that hurt away. Okay,let's come back to this... They condemn the celebration of easter,they blaspheme against my Lord,they don't believe in christmas,new year,birthdays,weddings,namings AH AH!!! I guess you don't believe in death too. Hmmm,End time issues... You say easter is for pegans,you ask us to stop celebrating easter,who amongst you has ever confronted a pegan to stop celebrating their festival due to one reason or the other,why should we be the ones to stop doing happy things to worship my creator anyday anytime of the year. Wait! Are we supposed to be mourning and sad and not cheerful,My Lord said he has overcome the world and I have dominion over EVERYTHING,and I have been given the power to dominate over anything that is not the image and likeness of God,so who says I can't celebrate Him anytime I like. Is a sango/oya/ogun worshiper not doing something today too,why should that stop me from acknowledging that a savior died for me and celebrate that I'm free from sin and all forms of sacrifice(ram's blood ishh)... I can't talk too much yet,but I'm coming back,lemme finish eating my bible
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by Nobody: 2:53pm On Mar 27, 2016
thorpido:
Dying on the cross and much more the resurrection is the seal of Christianity.It is very important.However,how could the death have occurred without the birth?It's like taking the white of an egg and not the yolk.It's a total package.
A Christian celebrates the birth,death and resurrection.
The death and resurrection is important because Jesus could have gotten here (anyway he wanted ) unless if you don't agree he is God . But the only way he could save us is through death, ( blood for blood).
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by vboss(m): 3:13pm On Mar 27, 2016
TLisieux:
Jehovah's witnesses and their blind and lopsided interpretation of the bible. They go for assembly, don't believe in hell fire, don't believe that sunday is necessarily the Lord's day plus many other false teachings of Russell and Rutherford. Eg; 144,000 people only will go to heaven.
Jehovah's witness is a false religion. Infact they are a sect! Initially they used fear and lies to win converts eg; preaching and shouting about the war of armageddon in the 70s and 80s. Nobody should take any of their members seriously.
They say Christ asks us to do the memorial of his passion and death but do not believe in the same Christ that said that his apostles should forgive sins in his name. So what type of bible are they reading? They only pick parts of the bible that suits them.
Femi Aribisala = a confused man who reads his bible upside down.
Jehovah's witness = False religion.





WOW YOU MUST BE SICK IN THE HEAD

CAN YOU IDENTIFY THE TRUE RELIGION?


WHAT IS YOUR BASIS, OR AS SCIENCE CALLS IT HYPOTHESIS ?....

MUGU...#CHURCHSLAVE
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by RobinHez(m): 3:19pm On Mar 27, 2016
thorpido:
How do you celebrate the Lord's supper without even His birth?If He didn't die and resurrect,which is the foundation of Christianity then of what use is the remembrance of the supper?
The bible says with God,a day is like unto a thousand years and a thousand years like unto a day.Did you read what Jesus said,that He is Lord of the sabbath?He is the Lord of EVERY day,even the day of pagan worship!
Keep adding to the bible... U know the consequences undecided

Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by thorpido(m): 3:20pm On Mar 27, 2016
blueseacats:
The death and resurrection is important because Jesus could have gotten here (anyway he wanted ) unless if you don't agree he is God . But the only way he could save us is through death, ( blood for blood).
No,He couldn't have come any other way.He had to come as a man,born of a woman so He could fulfil His purpose as a man having flesh and blood.
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by thorpido(m): 3:24pm On Mar 27, 2016
RobinHez:

Keep adding to the bible... U know the consequences undecided
What part did i add?
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by Achirimma(f): 3:30pm On Mar 27, 2016
blueseacats:
1 Corinthians 11:24 . If you talk about Christmas being idolatry I can understand, but but we were specifically told to remember Easter . That's the bases of Christianity.

Get your facts right, they were celebrating the feast of passover and unleavened bread.
In 1 Corinthians 11:24 Apostle Paul made reference to Luke 22 vs 19. And i will implore you to read the whole of Luke 22 and see that they never celebrated Easter but Passover.
We were told to remember Passover not Easter.
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by Achirimma(f): 3:42pm On Mar 27, 2016
tete7000:
I don't know why people like op will stop flogging the dead horse. Many generations of your type before now has argued this and the Easter has stayed. Do you think this useless debate still hold water? Maybe for the fickle minded sha.

Do not follow multitude to sin. Have you asked yourself why God took away 10 kingdoms from the house of David and left just 2 and remnants? The answer is idolatry.
I will suggest you read about King Solomon, Jeroboam and Rehoboam.
Flee from things rooted in idolatry.
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by RobinHez(m): 3:46pm On Mar 27, 2016
thorpido:
What part did i add?
Did Christ talk about His birth? Did any of his disciples celebrate it? But yet it was recorded that they met regularly to "break bread"
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by RobinHez(m): 3:47pm On Mar 27, 2016
udemzyudex:



Anyway nobody can stop me from celebrating easter.... Simple
One day u will.... When Justice is served to the great whorě wink
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by Achirimma(f): 3:47pm On Mar 27, 2016
thorpido:
How do you celebrate the Lord's supper without even His birth?If He didn't die and resurrect,which is the foundation of Christianity then of what use is the remembrance of the supper?
The bible says with God,a day is like unto a thousand years and a thousand years like unto a day.Did you read what Jesus said,that He is Lord of the sabbath?He is the Lord of EVERY day,even the day of pagan worship!

Matt 5:18-19... please do not add to the scripture o.

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Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by Maximus85(m): 3:48pm On Mar 27, 2016
Sunnycliff:
Go and sit down Femi! If you don't want to celebrate you don't disabuse the minds of people! Its just a remembrance of the resurrection day of our Lord Jesus Christ! We Pray to God through his son Jesus Christ and not to any fetish god!

I'm sorry for you. This thing you still celebrate is still having those same symbols of rabbit and eggs as that of the worshippers of Ishtar and you see it justifiable? Worshiping God with idolatry oriented celebration?

Like I said, I pity you. If na JW talk this one for here unar for don kill am but one of you is saying it and you all still won't hear. Well, it has been prophesied that your ears will be blocked from the truth.
Same as Kumuyi said Christmas is not Biblical and many of you castigated him.

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Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by RobinHez(m): 3:50pm On Mar 27, 2016
jamace:
Very serious about this! The Catholic church is the MOTHER of all churches. It is the only church which origin can be traced directly from the apostles of Jesus Christ. Note that most books of the Bible(New Testament) were written by the apostles and disciples of Jesus Christ.
The scriptures was compiled and named BIBLE by the Catholic Church. Sunday became the official day of christian worship through the Catholic church. Easter was instituted by the Catholic church and every other church today is celebrating Easter. Christmas has origin from the catholic church. Even the Gregorian calendar which is the calendar we use today has its origin from the Catholic Church.
Many more but think about the above first.
Yeah... That's why it's difficult for people to accept the real Truth, because that system has been able to establish itself on earth! But someday... Justice will be served. smiley
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by tete7000(m): 3:51pm On Mar 27, 2016
Achirimma:


Do not follow multitude to sin. Have you asked yourself why God took away 10 kingdoms from the house of David and left just 2 and remnants? The answer is idolatry.
I will suggest you read about King Solomon, Jeroboam and Rehoboam.
Flee from things rooted in idolatry.

I am a Catholic man by choice man. I have done my research very well before deciding to settle down with the faith. I fully understand and research what other churches and faith teach. I don't and can't believe them. What I am saying is that you people should leave the church alone, face what think you know and give yourselves some peace. Why jump up to antagonise each time themes like Easter, Christmas, etc arise? Do you want us Catholics to change our faith because of you? If almost a thousand years of arguments have changed nothing, why do you think you stand to achieve anything now? I even often ask how many of you that antagonise the church have ever entered or read any of Church documents? You simply believe all the lies your ancestors told you. Which existed first, the church or the bible?
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by RobinHez(m): 3:55pm On Mar 27, 2016
tete7000:


I am a Catholic man by choice man. I have done my research very well before deciding to settle down with the faith. I fully understand and research what other churches and faith teach. I don't and can't believe them. What I am saying is that you people should leave the church alone, face what think you know and give yourselves some peace. Why jump up to antagonise each time themes like Easter, Christmas, etc arise? Do you want us Catholics to change our faith because of you? If almost a thousand years of arguments have changed nothing, why do you think you stand to achieve anything now? I even often ask how many of you that antagonise the church have ever entered or read any of Church documents? You simply believe all the lies your ancestors told you. Which existed first, the church or the bible?

CHRIST preceeded all! And it is the teachings and examples he laid down we should follow and not some laws brought up by men who took up the "infallible" title! smiley
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by tete7000(m): 3:55pm On Mar 27, 2016
vboss:




WHO TOLD YOU THAT...

PLEASE DO YOUR FINDINGS MR MAN....

YOU WONT EAT POOP BECAUSE ITS BEEN CALLED FISH...


JUST BE REASONABLE





Your choice of language really show how unchristian you are. You want to teach me Christianity and yet can't be civil with your tongue. You are a Christian indeed. Arrant nonsense. Arrogant and empty vessels like you understand nothing about what you flex muscle to teach people.
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by RobinHez(m): 3:59pm On Mar 27, 2016
blueseacats:
1 Corinthians 11:24 . If you talk about Christmas being idolatry I can understand, but but we were specifically told to remember Easter . That's the bases of Christianity.
This is what the Corinthians u mention said o... Now show us the correlation with easter undecided

Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by Achirimma(f): 4:03pm On Mar 27, 2016
tete7000:


I am a Catholic man by choice man. I have done my research very well before deciding to settle down with the faith. I fully understand and research what other churches and faith teach. I don't and can't believe them. What I am saying is that you people should leave the church alone, face what think you know and give yourselves some peace. Why jump up to antagonise each time themes like Easter, Christmas, etc arise? Do you want us Catholics to change our faith because of you? If almost a thousand years of arguments have changed nothing, why do you think you stand to achieve anything now? I even often ask how many of you that antagonise the church have ever entered or read any of Church documents? You simply believe all the lies your ancestors told you. Which existed first, the church or the bible?

For the records, i am not forcing you to believe and neither am i a JW member. I only gave my contribution on a topic and didn't expect you to think that you're being compelled to believe.
Besides you have not made any valid point rooted in the bible, so why cry with this long epistle here?
Besides what do you even know about catholic asides going to early morning mass to bow to a graven image which the lord abhors so much? Let me drop Daniel 7:25 for you grin
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by RobinHez(m): 4:06pm On Mar 27, 2016
thorpido:
Every Christian practice is based on examples Jesus set and not because every Christian action starts with,'do this in remembrance of me'.
And he set the example by doing it with them in the upper room!!!!!

For the Love of God! The Truth is staring in you guys face but u don't want to open your minds! cry
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by adorabledora(f): 4:12pm On Mar 27, 2016
My dear Femi focus on the reason 4 celebration not smuggled word and stop dis argument remember Bible said don't judge, how sure u ar judging right
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by antispexish(m): 4:19pm On Mar 27, 2016
checking the thread again after my last post, condition still dey same same people who don't believe in easter do so with facts laced with reasons. people who believe in easter make posts with emotions laced with abuse.

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Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by Arclan07: 4:22pm On Mar 27, 2016
I don't buy any of this crap just pick a briticania encyclopedia and search for Easter then you ii get the facts
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by RobinHez(m): 4:24pm On Mar 27, 2016
antispexish:
checking the thread again after my last post, condition still dey same same
people who don't believe in easter do so with facts laced with reasons.
people who believe in easter make posts with emotions laced with abuse.
Sadly, that is how things are in life... Why the Truth is bitter is because it doesn't always appeal to the emotions of people.
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by Arclan07: 4:29pm On Mar 27, 2016
jayriginal:
The man has given detailed reasons.

I do not see a single rebuttal here. Rather everyone is saying they don't care or that the man is mad or something.

I weep for my country.
Do not buy to what he hie given you it's a piece of crap get an encyclopedia or go to Wikipedia n check EASTER to get the facts though I know easter is not for xtains but do the research
Re: Why Christians Should Not Celebrate Easter- Femi Aribisala by tete7000(m): 4:31pm On Mar 27, 2016
RobinHez:


CHRIST preceeded all! And it is the teachings and examples he laid down we should follow and not some laws brought up by men who took up the "infallible" title! smiley

Nonsense and senseless argument; as if Christ didn't establish an institution to preach.

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