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Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by ElCount: 6:48pm On Mar 26, 2016 |
cloudgoddess:if evolution were true how come after eons human beings, animals and plants as we know it have failed to evolve into something different. Since you believe in evolution its safe to assume you have a protruding tail or something out of the ordinary. Please don't be deceived |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by wirinet(m): 6:59pm On Mar 26, 2016 |
ElCount: What do you mean after eons? Homo Sapiens have just recently arrived on the evolutionary tree some 200,000 years ago. 200,000 years is too short a time to evolve into a completely new specie. Why would a human need a tail? We do not live in trees or need it for stability while running. In fact a tail would be detrimental to our survival. 3 Likes |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by ElCount: 7:25pm On Mar 26, 2016 |
wirinet:Common sense alone tells you that evolution is false. Go back and study the evolution account it is highly incompatible with the fossil record besides extinction and evolution are two different things. Now look at this 95% of animal fossils are aquatic invertebrates and even the vertebrates discovered were mainly fishes and aquatic creatures, of the terrestrial life forms a whooping 98%(approx) are plants so what you are telling me is that as complex and numerous as the animal life forms that exist today are they evolved from a meager 2%(approx). This hilarious! I don't know about you but I think there is more dignity in being created by a supreme being who is perfect and Almighty than having to think I evolved from some amoeba. Its all common sense |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by lilliesboy(m): 9:46pm On Mar 26, 2016 |
asalimpo: And what about some trained PARROTS that "speak/pronounce" many vocabularies or languages of human beings? Or, you want to tell me you have not seen one before? Go find out because I have seen them before. Also, many trained dogs understand human language and carry-out instructions, although they can't speak. That demonstrates some intelligence. Am not a Darwinist nor creationist; I think Darwinism/the Big Bang theory is subtly racist and funny just as the Adam-and-Eve myth is a bunch of silly Stone Age fable for kids! Charles Darwin stated that the "superior/favoured" (WHITE) Caucasian race would sometime in the future EXTERMINATE/wipe-out the "weaker/lowly-evolved" Negro race (BLACKS), thus further laying the foundation for slavery/colonialism and racism against the Black race. The racist trend in Darwinism later led some American pro-Darwinist scientists (notably Samuel Verner, W.J. McGee, and Horna) in 1904 and 1906 to capture seven (7) Black Pygmies, notably OTA BENGA - a Black Pygmy from Congo, and put him in the "Bronx ZOO," New York, with monkeys and a parrot for study, saying he was the "missing-link." Ota Benga and another Red Indian who was humiliated like the former, later committed suicide in 1916. So, what's so good about Darwinism, anyway? It's an insult to Blacks Africans! |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by Joshthefirst(m): 1:13pm On Mar 27, 2016 |
CoolUsername:How does using several rock samples reduce an error caused by a fluxing magnetic field that affects all the rocks under its influence? |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by wiegraf: 2:30pm On Mar 27, 2016 |
UyiIredia: Uyi, come and explain it na! I guess you're just blowing meaningless hot air, as usual |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by Outofsync(m): 4:43pm On Mar 27, 2016 |
ElCount:Seriously...... listen to yourself 1 Like |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by ElCount: 4:55pm On Mar 27, 2016 |
Outofsync:did you? |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by wirinet(m): 6:10pm On Mar 27, 2016 |
ElCount: Common sense alone tells you evolution is false? So what does common sense tell you? That the whole expanse of the universe was created by a white bearded Jewish man, using Jewish words, pronouncing all living things into being, but deciding to create man from clay? Common sense indeed, maybe common sense of second millennium BC mesopotamia. Who says evolution and extinction means the same thing? Since it is accepted that over 95% of all animals that have ever existed on the planet are extinct, how then do you expect to draw the evolutionary tree of life from the beginning without extinct animals dominating?
This your statement above actually verifies evolution. First 95% of fossils are aquatic animals because fossilization process favours aquatic or marine creatures. For animals to be fossilized, it has to be covered up with mud or clay immediately after death, else the soft tissues of the animal would quickly decompose, eaten by other predators or simply disintegrate. Land creatures stand very little chance of being fossilized. Secondly and most importantly, marine creatures were on earth for billions of years before ever venturing onto land. According to modern evolutionary theory life started on earth in the primordial oceans or lakes some 4 billion years ago, but life only ventured on land about 500 million years ago, so it is logical to expect far more marine fossils than terrestrial fossils. You arguments is now about dignity? Now what is dignifying about being created solely to be an amusement object of a Jewish God (in shape of a white bearded Jewish man), sitting on a throne high up rewarding or punishing according to this whims and caprices. Is it not more dignifying to see yourself as part and parcel of an evolving universe? 2 Likes |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by ElCount: 9:41pm On Mar 27, 2016 |
wirinet:Firstly the fossil record the evolutionists so cling on to is only a record of extinct animals and nothing more. It only tells us that such an animal existed and it died, there has been no proof whatsoever of evolutionary transition. Here is what your mentor charles darwin said in his book "the origin of species" "if my theory be true, numberless intermediate varieties... must assuredly have existed" and yet there's no fossil evidence to proof these intermediary stages or varieties Here's another of his quotes "its a truly wonderful fact... That all animals and all plants throughout all TIME and SPACE should be related to each other..." In otherwards plants and animals all have a common ancestor, and yet all we ve ever known is that plant reproduces plant and animals reproduces animals or better still a cat will always reproduce a cat no matter what. I mean a mango and an eagle is related? Common! What happened to our own time? Secondly, am happy you mentioned that life started on earth some 4billion years ago; here is the summary of how life came into existence according to evolution theory "20 billion years ago there was a big bang in which nothing exploded and produced everything, 4.6 billion years ago the earth cooled down and it rained on the rocks turning it into soup then the soup came alive, then there's this one macro-molecule had something to eat found another to marry and evolved into all we see today." Basically you believe that you and all life forms came from a ROCK the funniest thing about that is you and all evolutionists are trying to pass it up as science. And here you are talking about God in the most defaming way possible. May He have mercy on you and grant you a change of heart. 2 Likes |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by cloudgoddess(f): 4:30pm On Mar 28, 2016 |
ElCount:No, what you have just expressed is your complete lack of education regarding what evolution actually involves. It isn't magic. No scientist is claiming that random animals will grow tails, or that plants will transform into fishes. This caricatured version of "evolution" is crap peddled amongst the religious to keep them justified in their conviction that evolution must be wrong because it contradicts the biblical account of creation and is thus a threat to their religious beliefs. This false view of "evolution" is based on collective ignorance and nothing more. Real evolution, is the gradual process of change in the genetic material of organisms over time. This change is guided by the environment - traits that cause creatures an increased chance of survival in their particular environment and biological niche, are maintained in the gene pool and carried on to successive generations. Traits that decrease a creature's chance of survival & reproductive success, die out along with the organisms that possess them. As the environment changes, which it constantly is, and events such as genetic bottlenecking and population isolation take place, the beneficial traits for a particular population of organisms changes, thus new genes are survived, and different ones die out. It is easy to see how over millions of years, this can result in all manner of different organisms, diverging from common ancestors yet possessing very different features due to the selection pressures they have faced over time. |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by ElCount: 5:29pm On Mar 28, 2016 |
cloudgoddess:this is the problem with you evolutionist what you people termed micro evolution is simply Variation among species it happens and its true but you guys have used nomenclature as a deceptive tool there because when someone accepts it you guys will then come in and "say consider this phenomenon over a billion years only then will a chicken come from a banana" Typical evolution logic For example its scientific truth that over a period of time cockroaches may become immune to a pesticide but that doesn't mean it evolved. It wont reproduce a dog or an elephant simply because it does not possess the genetic information of a mammal in its DNA let alone a dog hence even if that cockroach were to exist for a billion years it will still produce a cockroach albeit with perhaps an added/lost adaptability trait but it will still be a cockroach that's how the Designer God made it. Well in your last statement there is nothing easy to see there unless the common ancestor is still of thesame kind even the bible tells us that. Because an ancestor of a dog is still a dog be it a Chihuahua or a wolf, the ancestor of a dog was never a plant. Evolution is a religion don't try to pass it off as science 4 Likes |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by cloudgoddess(f): 10:42pm On Mar 28, 2016 |
ElCount:this is the problem with you evolutionist what you people termed micro evolution is simply Variation among species it happens and its true but you guys have used nomenclature as a deceptive tool there because when someone accepts it you guys will then come in and "say consider this phenomenon over a billion years only then will a chicken come from a banana" Typical evolution logic The reason why we know macroevolution (evolution on large scales of time) happens is because of how microevolution (evolution in short periods of time) works. The basis for both processes is the exact same - chemical alterations in genetic material, steered by the environment. The only difference is time. The genetic material of every organism is nothing but an extremely long "string" of connected nucleotides. These nucleotides are altered, in small ways, from generation to successive generation. Imagine a necklace of various beads, and every 10 minutes (this representing a population's generation time) one bead is removed, added, or replaced with a different color bead. In 3 days, that necklace will look VERY different than how it did in the beginning. If this is the way things work, then it is INEVITABLE that new species will form. The only way new species would not form from such a mechanism, as if were there were some distinct property of a species, restricting its DNA from being altered past a certain point. There is nothing like this, however. The genetic material does not distinguish "cat" or "dog" or "horse" or "banana". These are all words arbitrarily placed by us humans on certain organisms that share similar enough properties for us to classify as a single species, genus, or family. The naming of organisms can be extremely complicated for this reason. DNA is changeable and fluid, and when given enough time you will see many diverse lineages as a result of diverse paths of genetic change. For example its scientific truth that over a period of time cockroaches may become immune to a pesticide but that doesn't mean it evolved. Yes it does. The DNA of that population changed, thus it evolved. It was on a small scale, but many small scale changes over time lead to big changes. It wont reproduce a dog or an elephant simply because it does not possess the genetic information of a mammal in its DNA Why should it? This goes back to your butchered concept of evolution that is flat out wrong. An organism can not spontaneously adopt traits from nowhere - ALL evolution depends on PRE-EXISTING genetic information, being altered gradually down a genetic lineage. There is no way for a roach to become an elephant for the exact reason you stated. Doing so would directly contradict evolution. hence even if that cockroach were to exist for a billion years it will still produce a cockroach albeit with perhaps an added/lost adaptability trait but it will still be a cockroach If you mean it will still be an insect, then again, why wouldn't it be? A species can not just hop from one lineage to another. Every new species depends on what came before it, so it would be impossible for that cockroach population to become, say, mammals. However, in those billion years you will get MANY different splitting lineages of bugs who share some common traits with that ancestral cockroach population, but have very different sizes, shapes, colors, diet, and reproductive capabilities. They will be new species, with new names, which all share a common ancestor called "cockroach". Well in your last statement there is nothing easy to see there unless the common ancestor is still of thesame kind even the bible tells us that. There is no such thing as a "kind", biologists do not even recognize that word, it simply is not relevent. As I mentioned earlier in this post, all labels put on organisms are arbitrary and for our own ease in classification. DNA does not work that way. Because an ancestor of a dog is still a dog be it a Chihuahua or a wolf, the ancestor of a dog was never a plant. Again, of course the ancestor of a dog was never a plant. Species can't hop between lineages. If you actually understood evolution, you would not have made this comment. This image might be helpful in conceptualizing things for you. Notice how, starting from the bottom, you get more and more complex and outwardly expanding branches. Also, notice that the branches NEVER horozontally intersect - every lineage is connected to a previous lineage, there are no monkeys becoming elephants or plants becoming sheep, for this reason. 2 Likes |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by asalimpo(m): 11:24pm On Mar 28, 2016 |
^^^ adaptation is now evolution!!! huh! cockroaches evolve against pesticide. So, when stubborn pupils, become hardened to teachers caning , they've evolved ,i.e the dna has changed radically, a thick skin!! 1 Like |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by cloudgoddess(f): 5:13am On Mar 29, 2016 |
asalimpo:You have no idea what you're even talking about. If you won't bother to read my posts carefully then don't even respond, you're just making yourself look more ignorant. 1 Like |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by ElCount: 7:09am On Mar 29, 2016 |
cloudgoddess:you really don't know your evolution theory that well. Here is a statement from Charles darwin from his book "the origin of species" "its a truly wonderful fact... That all animals and all plants throughout all time and space should be related to each other..." If the ancestor of a dog was not a plant then tell me which came first the dog or the plant because charly here says they all have one ancestor perhaps you can't even see that from your picture the pant is an ancestor of the dog. so the question is how did space, time and life as we know it begin if there was no designer? Can you answer that for me? |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by ElCount: 7:15am On Mar 29, 2016 |
asalimpo:that's what they say when an animal adapts they tell you over a billion years only then will probably a whale now start walking on land. Its hilarious how this people reason. The transformation of a dinosaur for example into a bird was never observed and there's no evidence it did but this guys believe it and pass it off as science (which is very much against the scientific method by the way) rather than religion |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by Joshthefirst(m): 8:13am On Mar 29, 2016 |
cloudgoddess:Unfortunately your post is a brilliant rebuttal of itself. According to the evolution theory after long periods of time radical changes to the genome bring about development of more complex species. There is no evidence for this, and your very own statement in the bolded proves this is not true. So you can only mean the adaptive microevolution when you say 'evolution' in the bolded. Pre-existing genetic information cannot lead to the massive systemic macro-changes defined by Darwinian macro-evolution. Insects will still be insects after millions of years. Reptiles will not become aves, and reptiles will not become mammals. 3 Likes |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by achinaboy(m): 1:10pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
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Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by Nobody: 1:15pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
Richirich713:The problem is you don't believe in a 'million' years.. Jesus is coming soon, isn't He? |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by asalimpo(m): 1:49pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
cloudgoddess: Yeah, your esoteric post that can only be understood by phd's in human genetics. Since, i dont have a phd in that, i should sit back shutup and let you spoon me your illogica c.rap right? #playing the elitist card again-- #if you can't make it simple , you have no business relaying it. |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by Richirich713: 6:03pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer: The problem is, people actually think "modern" apes are building Bugatti's and twin towers. |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by UyiIredia(m): 7:25pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
@ clodgoddess: You can respond to the facts I posted. Lests see how well you can defend your beloved theory against them. |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by wiegraf: 9:51pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
UyiIredia:where did you post facts? 1 Like |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by asalimpo(m): 10:35pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
in the few millenia we've been around, what noticeable intelligence increase has been noticed among the "apes of tomorrow"? if they'll rival man at least they should be some signs pointing in that direction. They won't just magically arrive at super intelligence in year x (where x is 1 million years or so), they'd be "evolving towards it" but since apes have been apes - from whatever they came from - they've still been apes. Still grunting, still dumb daft foolish and ignorant. And its been so many million years since they became apes - so what daft logic says, they'll produce einsteins given anoda x million years?! evolution is a big pile of poo but it's what scientist choose to eat to avoid the God question. |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by asalimpo(m): 10:49pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
ElCount:The billion years is a scam. they know no one will be here to verify data that old, they just use that illusive mark to push forward their poo theories . In a billion years, they'll say it will happen in yet anoda billion years. story story ... 1 Like |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by ElCount: 8:01am On Mar 30, 2016 |
asalimpo:the only reason why people believe in evolution is because there's only one alternative to it and that is God created the world, He owns it and He makes the rules. If there were any other alternative, evolution would hv been dropped long time ago. They tell you they have evidence thru embryology, vestigial organs, geologic column, carbon dating... All those things are all lies because they ve been proven wrong long time ago but they won't drop it because they don't want to believe the alternative which is God and most especially they hv problem with the rules He set, they want to continue enjoying the pleasures of the flesh and live the way they like 1 Like |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by CoolUsername: 11:41am On Mar 30, 2016 |
Joshthefirst: By using many samples, scientists can find the prevailing trend in the results, while anomalies will be discarded. Simple statistics. Also, that sort of error should cause wildly varying results and not within a specific time range, all the time, in different geographical locations. |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by Nobody: 11:45am On Mar 30, 2016 |
Richirich713:Abi, how ludicrous. It makes more sense that clay breathed upon by a Cosmic Self-existent being did that. Oh wait, that Cosmic self-existent being stopped them from building a Tower that reached the skies ages back. Rumor has it that's how Pidgin English began.. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by Nobody: 11:52am On Mar 30, 2016 |
cloudgoddess: All the true knowledge we have about our world and the universe came from science, therefore evolution theory and the big bang theory can't be wrong. Let science be true and all religion be false because religion is the author of confusion. Happy I now have my God in Domino Reverad. Check answers to all mysteries here: www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by Nobody: 11:54am On Mar 30, 2016 |
asalimpo: May Domino Reverad save your soul from the hand of Jehovah and his hell fire. Smh for you for your ignorance. Read and be enlightened: www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos |
Re: If Evolution Was Untrue. by Nobody: 11:58am On Mar 30, 2016 |
ElCount:You are not far from the truth my guy. God indeed created the world through the big bang many billion years ago. His name is Domino Reverad and the name of his son who creates evil and deception is Jehovah(Nymphidis or devil). Read the DOCTRINE OF THE UFOS here: www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos |
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