Kagawa10:

Mourinho would even do worse with these set of players at his disposal.
And I would have to applaud LVG for his courage to use the youth players which wouldn't happen under any coach, especially when the team is having difficulty in getting a win. Can you imagine Mourinho doing that? A case study is his last stint at Chelsea where he persisted with the senior players inspite of their horrible display. Even Fergie chickened out in his latter stage and had to deploy makeshift players ( Rafael) in midfield instead of Pogba.

Kagawa10:

He did fine at the world cup though.
That's when you consider the average dutch team at his disposal but one thing the dutch players can do well is pass the ball well which is the opposite of our players. The dutch team never remained the same as soon as he left them though. That tells something.
As per the transfers, he did sign Schneiderlin but failed to realise he had signed a box-box midfielder, not a holding midfielder. Big mistake on his part.

Kagawa10:

Herrera is just bang average, the faster you realise this, the better. Why do you think the spanish team failed to cap him?
As per Dimaria, his head was never at Manutd to begin with. He had always wanted to move to Psg, which goes back to the time he was benched under Ancellotti for his awful display on the wing.
The fact that Khedira's injury was what paved way for his return into Madrid's first team (and only as a midfielder) should tell you something. Would you then say that Ancellotti's system was poor to have made Di maria look awful on wing?
The reality is the team has no quality to begin with, save for our young guns who has slotted seamlessly into LVG's system..

Kagawa10:

He did fine at the world cup though.
That's when you consider the average dutch team at his disposal but one thing the dutch players can do well is pass the ball well which is the opposite of our players. The dutch team never remained the same as soon as he left them though. That tells something.
As per the transfers, he did sign Schneiderlin but failed to realise he had signed a box-box midfielder, not a holding midfielder. Big mistake on his part.

GBR1:

I'm not gonna argue that we have world class players to be throwing shades at Bayern or Madrid but every reasonable united fan would agree that our performances this season have not been reflective of the actual players' abilities. We shouldn't lose to the likes of Norwich, Westbrom, Bornemouth, and even getting schooled by midgetland. Do they have better players than us? Stop this nonsense please.

LVG has been tasked with rebuilding the squad, clearing out deadwood and making us very competitive again. To this effect, he has been provided with funds to spend as he wishes. Whose fault is it he hasn't figured out a replacement for Carrick in about 5 transfer windows and is so reliant on him? why did he refuse to buy strikers and placed all hopes on Rooney who has always been inconsistent and never lead the line completely for a title winning team? Then he went on a panic buy, a got us a 19 year old, who though, can actually become a top player but is still too young to lead the line. Depay was LVG's signing, wasn't he? So who gets the blame for spending that much on a flop?
In general, LVG trimmed the squad but it was excessive and his replacements were not enough.
If Herrera is actually not good enough for LVG, why has he failed to get a replacement or Mata too? He's been provided with funds!

It's even very difficult to judge players under LVG because most of them have regressed under his guidance. He's a terribble coach currently.
You are using complications to describe simple things. LVG style of play is the major problem. The players we have are not suited for this. A good coach knows when to adapts or manage these things to obtain good results but LVG is extremely arrogant and stubborn and past his time and that's why he enjoyed most of his success in the earlier parts of his career. We can't beat top bottom teams of the PL table who pack the bus with his tactics/plan when we experience lots of possession but still lose, then we get better results against top half teams who don't pack the bus and we play better on the counter. If we hadn't lost or dropped points to teams in the bottom half, we'd currently be in contention for the title. LVG can never challenge for the PL title due to this. I have not forgotten how we finished last season poorly after we had a good run of results earlier. We are simply not cut for possession football currently but he has failed to realized this. For his talk about possession or philosophy, we aren 't actually even good at keeping the ball. Most teams simply let us keep it because they know we can't do damage with it. We collapse ridiculously when pressed seriously. LVG has been built nothing. He hasn't placed any foundations as some believe. He's a failure.

I will address every of your post soon, and you'd be amazed by how much nonsense that has been said.

Kagawa10:

I disagree with this.
Martial wasn't a panic buy. He had been scouted severally by the scouts. Even during the transfer, the fans were briefed that the club would get a costly striker but only when he's available and at that time Monaco wanted to keep Martial only if they failed to qualify for their CL play off and once they failed to do that, Martial was allowed to leave for Manutd.
I disagree that Martial is too young to lead the team. Infact, he's good enough to bench Rooney. The fact that he's been the team's best player tells a lot. And with a technical creative midfield constantly supporting him, the sky is only his limit.
As per the midfielder, he got one only that he failed to realise he's no holding midfielder. I admit that's his fault.
But to say he's the reason for the poor display from the average players in the team is acting precious.

Kagawa10:

Mourinho would even do worse with these set of players at his disposal.
And I would have to applaud LVG for his courage to use the youth players which wouldn't happen under any coach, especially when the team is having difficulty in getting a win. Can you imagine Mourinho doing that? A case study is his last stint at Chelsea where he persisted with the senior players inspite of their horrible display. Even Fergie chickened out in his latter stage and had to deploy makeshift players ( Rafael) in midfield instead of Pogba.

elampiro:


May be you are praising Gaal for his failure to sign a centre defender in January when Jones, Rojo and Shaw were all injured.

elampiro:


Martial wasn't the first option and certainly not that great player Charlton spoke about. Muller and Bale were the principal targets

dubylhover:


yea yea..you don't like Herrera we haff hear....but seriously if you don't know that dimaria was shifted from d wing to accommodate d world record signing bale,then I have nothing to say

elrony:



Technically LVG has failed in "some typa way"!!!
Who goes ahead and signs players without knowing if they 'd fit in his methods?.. he just wakes up and signs players!
I remember him calling "Defraud" one of the best players of his generation.(how did he pan out)

Please Why did he sign Blind exactly?

LVG is crazy, he builds up his team,they find a certain rhythm, next thing he uses a dirt bag element to destroy the team!

LVG till date cannot produce his Manchester United first 11..

LVG to be honest is not fit for the United Job,alongside some players too.

In my own deductions Louis Okomu Banga is a bigger part of our problem...

Kagawa10:

Big clubs rarely get involved in the january windows because quality players are hardly allowed to leave their clubs mid-season.

elampiro:


Martial wasn't the first option and certainly not that great player Charlton spoke about. Muller and Bale were the principal targets

Kagawa10:

LOL.
Yet the clubs were in constant discussion with Monaco!
At no time the likes of Bale and Muller were available on the market. Only Martial was on the market especially if his team fails to qualify for the CL play off.

dubylhover:


yea yea..you don't like Herrera we haff hear....but seriously if you don't know that dimaria was shifted from d wing to accommodate d world record signing bale,then I have nothing to say

elampiro:


It was confirmed that we went for Muller. Muller was the big player we were targeting.

elampiro:


We had a crisis period. Something needed to be done urgently. A versitile defender would have helped us so much.

SAF signed players in January.

SIRcumalot:

I said this stuff outside nairaland and some fans wan beat me
some fans go just dey lie to themselves.

lukaku is the only realistic target I can see us getting and even then it will cost us too much.
money isn't that important when everybody has it.not getting UCL football next season Don wound us.

Kagawa10:

I already mentioned that hardly would you see quality player on the market in january window. You don't expect the club to be signing average players for signing sake.
Moreover, our midfield and attack are the problem, not the defence, the likes of Smalling and Blind had been consistent enough apart from the odd games here and there.

elampiro:


You are the one who didn't check well. Smalling and Jones did not play as centre backs. So your argument is null and void. Also considering Ashley Young was not in our left side of attack, he didn't play.

We played 3-5-2. It was actually more of two midilfielders at the end because Rooney was doing a double job of stopping Wanyama. We looked like winning the game until Gaal decided to push Rooney forward and play Herrera as the box to box midfielder. Wanyama became too strong for Herrera and Carrick. Carrick gave the ball away three times in quick succession and the third led to a goal.

Go back to check, when Smalling and Jones played as our central defenders we didn't lose a game last season. Phil Jones and Carrick went to injury same time. We lost to Everton and recorded three loses in a row.

We drew against Cambrigde and you are saying we were not poor. Cambrigde missed a last minute goal. It could have been disastrous.

Kagawa10:

We were rebuffed immediately long before the club mentioned about signing a striker and they were already having negotiation with Monaco.

Kagawa10:

The team also missed many chances against them, that doesn't mean shit.
I still can't believe I'm arguing with you on the motion that Jones and Smalling makes our attack ticks well. That's quite silly.
As per the Southampton game, oi already mentioned that Carrick was deployed alongside a slow midfielder, what do you expect of him? This same thing always happened whenever the midfield of Carrick and Schweisteiger gets deployed, thus, making both players look like abomination of a player despite their quality. Same thing happened with Alonso and Bastian midfield at Bayern. So, what are you talking about?

elampiro:


If you remove Arjen Robben from that team, they would have crashed out from the group stage.

Kagawa10:

He did sign Bastian, who's capable of operating well in the holding midfield role. If he hadn't got injury, him and Schneiderlin would have become a main stay in the midfield like Germany midfield of Bastian and Khedira or the Bayern midfield of Javi Martinez and Bastian which won the treble...
I wouldn't even say he made a mistake on Schneiderlin signing but Bastian injury spoiled his plan.
Also, there was no quality midfielder in the market apart from Bastian in the last window

elampiro:


Even when I showed you the formation chat you still argue? We are talking about our game against Southampton last season. That was same formation we used to destroy Liverpool 3-0 and beat Arsenal at Emirates. Rooney was in the midfied just like against Southampton.

And what do mean by silly? You want to start insulting people?

Jones and Smalling in our defence always ensure our midfielders and forwards concentrate while restricting oppositions to minimal sports on target. What can front tires do without back tires?

elrony:

Had LVG made efforts apart from being fixated on some names we'd be able to get good midfielders apart from Bastian!

Morgan wasn't a bad signing in any way!

How LVG plays Pa Carrick alongside cretineous Foolaini and expects creativity to win matches eludes me (he would keep Morgan and a mobile Ander on the bench).



LVG is a joke!!!!

weedtaker:
all dis one wey u de yarn na story, 250mil was available and he couldn't sign the players that fits his philosophy, lvg is a goat and he should leave once de season comes to an end,

Mourinho with 250mil at his disposal will give you the league title in just 2yrs.

elampiro:


Defence has been our major problem. Twice we conceded late goals from set plays once Fellaini was substituted. Blind is not a centre back. We can only commend him because he stayed fit.

What Gaal should have done is to sign an experienced defender who is not getting regular game time in his team. For instance, there was a time Cahil was being benched. There is no way there is no such defender in Europe.

Ferguson brought Larson in 2006/2007 mid way to help our attack when Saha and some forward players were injured.

Kagawa10:

There was no quality midfielder in the market in the last window though. None that I know of.
As per Fellaini, I guess he loves Fellaini's off the ball movement. Outside Lingard and Rashford in the team, Fellaini off the ball movement is one of best in the squad although his technical skills are quite average.
I actually think LVG is a coach who is impatient with players and believes once a player failed to perform, he should be dropped no matter who you are. Even captain Rooney got unexpectedly dropped at one time. My point is that once Schneiderlin performed poorly (admitted it was in the holding midfield role), Lvg believed he deserve to be dropped from the team.
I hope the last the game has convinced him that the midfield of Carrick/Bastian and Schneiderlin is the way forward if he intends to get to a top 4 finish.

elrony:
My top 5 options from d list Juninho Dinho Becks Ceni Pirlo
At least my first 11 can accommodate all of the above

Kagawa10:

Except that his players would be run to ground and drained physically, emotionally and become shit in the subsequent seasons while playing dull football.
Betwn, Van gaal never spent 250 mil.

Kagawa10:

Only when a quality players become available. I don't support signing average players for the sake of just signing when you can get quality player in the summer.
That being said, the team's problem is the attack and the non-creative midfield. Our team is the 2nd best team after Spurs to have the least goal conceded.
I repeat The defence aint our problem.