BascoVanVeli:


Show me where it says the team at any level is only for players living in Spain.

BascoVanVeli:


maybe u should go back to the drawing board, what do fields have to do with success? So many legends have come out of Africa playing on bad fields so where are u going with this? I don't understand why u want to have a pity party. Instead of seeing this as an obstacle that can be overcome with hard work u are making it an excuse.

TheGoodJoe:


You keep using so many legends to evade the fact. If you go to a top team in Europe, are there more Africans in the team than Europeans? Pick a club. Look at the squad list.

More Europeans will make the list because they have better opportunities. So, saying so many legends does not change the fact that more Europeans will make it to the big stages than Africans.

BascoVanVeli:


Why would u expect to have more Africans than Europeans? They are even trying to reduce the number. Every league has a limit for foriegn players on a team especially non Europeans. U are not helping grassroot's by making it easier to be called into the u-17's. Remember u-17 can only host so many players so what about the rest? It seems u are using this excuse of a plan to cover up the real issue.
The only help is bringing school football back so that the kids can have steady competition. If we can get each school something like 30 matches a year that would increase the level of football in our country. It is not till u alienate a child that something can be done. We try to make the playing field more even. It's not like Spanish children practice on Mars, all these things are attainable.

TheGoodJoe:



I do not even get you. Are you saying the Spanish youth system is made of more Nigerians? Is the debate not about continuing using the U17 for grassroot development because the Nigerians based in Europe have better opportunities.

So what are you asking? The structures in Spain, the facilities, the scouting system, the equipments, the coaches, in Europe are better than those in Nigeria.

So we should continue using the U17 for grassroot development.

BascoVanVeli:


Yes lets continue using the u-17 as a model of bias and discrimination.

TheGoodJoe:



Are you serious at all? You agree that the Europeans have far better opportunities but you do not want the Nigerian youngsters to have a little chance to showcase their talents.

Talk of bias and discrimination.

Look at Nweke for instance that had agents fighting for him. If Babawo Mohammed did not organize the tourney and invite "European Scouts" that watch European kids every day, FC Porto would not get him by now.

The European boys have better opportunities. I wonder why you find this little opportunity which you clearly stated is not even enough is painful to you.

TheGoodJoe:


Until we do something to improve our grassroot Football, expose our young talents in a large scale to top European clubs, we must continue using the U17 for grassroot development.

For now, we are not even close. So why bring in those who have more chances to succeed to hinder our grassroot players with limited opportunities.

We also have to improve our local Leagues which will take a lot of investment, so our grassroot players have better opportunities to make something of themselves out of football.

BascoVanVeli:


So far how many grassroot stars has this plan created? Didn't we skip some years before we arrived at this last 2 sets.

Mediapace:
Egbon are you a sport analyst ?

TheGoodJoe:


Football lover.

TheGoodJoe:


John Obuh reached the U17 finals, Coach Tella and Coach Manu Garba won it. Coach Fani Amun won it and many of the boys who played in the U17 got the exposure they needed to have better lives.

It is not just about winning the tournament but providing exposure, experience, education and development.

Many of our footballing kids lack top standard training that kids in Europe get. The U17 provide that.

For instance, the last set get to train with a former pro. Emmanuel Amunike. A UEFA Pro A coach. Without such an opportunity, many of them will miss out. Yet kids in Academies in Europe work with top coaches everyday.

BascoVanVeli:



Exactly, i asked for players and u are naming coaches. We select on bias we have not been picking the best. If u agree with this then u should have been happy that Manu Garba kept Iheanacho on the bench after all Bulbwa and Sokari were the grassroot players.

TheGoodJoe:


You said two sets. I am telling you about players Under other sets. That is why I listed the names of the coaches that coaches the set.

Bulbwa, Sokari fiasco was in the U20, not U17.

BascoVanVeli:


I said name players who have made it big from playing u-17.

U-20 yes but Isn't that what u are saying that we should give grassroot a chance? They both don't count towards much so why not the same set of backwards rules?

TheGoodJoe:


It is not about making it big but development, education, exposure and experience. That is what the Youths gain from this competition. The brightest get exposed to big clubs.

We have had Ojigwe, Kanu, Oruma, Kayode, Chrisantus, Ganiyu Oseni, Ibrahim Rabiu, Celestine Babayaro, Onazi, Haruna Lukman.

They may not all have become top stars but they had better lives because of the tourney.

BascoVanVeli:

lol u had to go find papilo and co to bulk up ur list.
In a span of 23 years only so many and more than half never became stars, so what does that tell u?

BascoVanVeli:

lol u had to go find papilo and co to bulk up ur list.
In a span of 23 years only so many and more than half never became stars, so what does that tell u?

TheGoodJoe:


I have told you before and I will tell you again. It is not about becoming stars but better men. Having a better opportunity in life.

You LOL even proves my point. The U17 is just a needle in the haystack when it comes to what goes on in Europe.

So why do you want these little opportunity taking from our grassroot talents.

BascoVanVeli:


I would have respected it if u stuck to ur original arguement about them becoming stars because if u talk about just getting a job then for starters we have a league and at least 4 teams i know will get their pay on time. Then the rest of Africa, Asia, North America name a league that doesn't have a Nigerian. All these players are getting paid without being exposed by u-17 so what is ur point?
U-17 is for the best, it is not a market to sell children. We are to develope the nation not the rich or the poor. We have to be blind to backgrounds and treat these children equally. After all they didn't request to be based overseas so how can u penalise them.

BascoVanVeli:


I would have respected it if u stuck to ur original arguement about them becoming stars because if u talk about just getting a job then for starters we have a league and at least 4 teams i know will get their pay on time. Then the rest of Africa, Asia, North America name a league that doesn't have a Nigerian. All these players are getting paid without being exposed by u-17 so what is ur point?
U-17 is for the best, it is not a market to sell children. We are to develope the nation not the rich or the poor. We have to be blind to backgrounds and treat these children equally. After all they didn't request to be based overseas so how can u penalise them.

forgiveness:



Bros, forget Bros. He can change gear in the course of debate. star don become to become men lol

BascoVanVeli:


I would have respected it if u stuck to ur original arguement about them becoming stars because if u talk about just getting a job then for starters we have a league and at least 4 teams i know will get their pay on time. Then the rest of Africa, Asia, North America name a league that doesn't have a Nigerian. All these players are getting paid without being exposed by u-17 so what is ur point?
U-17 is for the best, it is not a market to sell children. We are to develope the nation not the rich or the poor. We have to be blind to backgrounds and treat these children equally. After all they didn't request to be based overseas so how can u penalise them.

TheGoodJoe:


The foreign based players have better opportunities to grow. Use it and grow. Come and help their country in the U20. While we use the U20 to grow the local talents that have very little to grow.

This is a win win for everybody. I wonder why and how this is a problem to some people.

TheGoodJoe:


The foreign based players have better opportunities to grow. Use it and grow. Come and help their country in the U20. While we use the U20 to grow the local talents that have very little to grow.

This is a win win for everybody. I wonder why and how this is a problem to some people.

forgiveness:



Bros, forget Bros. He can change gear in the course of debate. star don become to become men lol

BascoVanVeli:
This idea is stealing at least 2 years of development time from a deserving foriegn child. If u want to catch up with the Europeans we have to do what they do which is fielding the best at all level.

BascoVanVeli:


Don't mind TheGoodJoe i am sure he is a lawyer or should have been one. The problem is us. We Nigerians are too proud, we don't even want to admit Alaba was a loss, while Wenger openly lamments losing players when they were 14 and 15.

TheGoodJoe:


Why should we kill ourselves for Alaba? Please he chose Austria. That is where his allegiance lies. Maybe we should break our heads for Dele Alli and Barkley.

We have a lot of kids in Nigeria that need the U17 more than Alaba. If that is enough for him to switch allegiance, I wish him the best.

TheGoodJoe:


We are not fielding the best at the U17 level but trying to develop the best at the senior level.

Even your rich kids in Abuja and Lagos, In Port-Harcourt or Kaduna do not have the kind of structures a kid at Valencia, Manchester, Bilbao, Liverpool, Munich, Vienna, Rome has.

We use the U17 to develop our grassroot Football.

BascoVanVeli:


No let the rich fly their own children overseas. Your system is about children who would never have had the chance so let us only select children who can't afford boots. Infact let it only be for orphans so we know it is a real charity.

BascoVanVeli:

Alaba actually wanted to play for us and thanks to some guy who is probably playing in Malta now he was refused thus rendering him no option but to prove Nigeria and our charity rule wrong.
We should acknowledge that the system is flawed and come up with ways to fix it. It won't get fixed by us doing nothing.