LajaLaba:
Nairaland is finished!see thread!


U fit re ban me o useless people

sorry to say this, you talk lame, is this thread not sensitive enough

Kanye West is an American who wears the confederate flag proudly in the US where the issue is more sensitive and he even designed this one Davido is wearing, need I tell you Mr. West is black?... he was not killed or labeled ignorant in America so who the f#ck are you ITKs trying to sound like y'all know everything?.. let him wear whatever pleases him and you people call each other niggas yet noone has called you ignorant now which is worse of the two?

habsydiamond:
U want comments and u did not put the pix of the jacket. So that we won't start to say what is not and offend God in the process. pls let's be realistic next time.

What are you saying bro?
Go back to my post, and look very well..

tevinsolt:


grand ignorance and short sightedness. Davido is able to go to America today to buy a property and chill because the African Americans you're dissociating him from, fought and paid the price for his Nigerian ass to do so. pick up a damn book and read will ya?

Paid which price?

And for who?

Before and During the Civil Rights Movement in the 60s, Rich Nigerians were already building extensive property portfolios abroad. The likes of Alhaji Dantata and Sir Odemegwu Ojukwu were filthy rich, and didnt need Dr Martin Luther King Jnr to fight for their right to buy property in America or the UK or anywhere else. The Civil Rights movement simply did not relate to them, because they were not in the same category as the average African American.

I think you may be the one who needs to 'pick up a damn book and read'

Pathetic

And people buy this carp then complain if whites say crap about blacks

Kanye West Explains Those Confederate Flag Concert Shirts (PHOTOS)
Oct 29, 2013
If you haven’t already heard, Kanye West is selling “Yeezus” Tour t-shirts emblazoned with the confederate flag. While we’re not shocked by this controversial move — we’re also not amused.

Nevertheless, we’ve been patiently waiting for the outspoken star to explain why he decided to use the historically racist symbol for his Wes Lang designed concert merch.

That moment came during an interview at Los Angeles’ 97.1 AMP radio station on Monday. The “Blood On The Leaves” rapper shared his thoughts on the backlash he’s getting about the products and his aim to reappropriate the flag.


“React how you want. Any energy you got is good energy. You know the confederate flag represented slavery in a way — that’s my abstract take on what I know about it. So I made the song ‘New Slaves.’ So I took the Confederate flag and made it my flag. It’s my flag now. Now what are you going to do?”
Well, there’s not much we can do. Kanye isn’t only selling these items at his concerts — the 36-year-old star also just opened a pop-up shop in L.A. filled with his Confederate flag gear.

“I just think people look cool in it. They look nice. And it’s colorless also,” Kanye told Los Angeles 97.1 AMP. “It’s super hood and super white boy approved at the same time. That’s really what my style has always been.”

Despite Kanye’s explanation, some critic still find it hard to believe that folks will be walking around in Confederate flag threads courtesy of a black man. If anyone is still unclear on the history behind the flag, Al Sharpton sums it up nicely:

“The Confederate flag symbolizes dehumanization, injustice and pain. It is a stark reminder of an era in our history that was defined by the abhorrent practice of slavery. And it is representative of a mentality that looked upon Blacks as inferiors who needed to remain in the shackles of subservience. If you don’t believe me, ask family members of those that were beaten, castrated and lynched under the guise of that Confederate flag.”

wesleychidi:

Don't sound naive my friend. Money can never erase racism in some climes. Is Davido richer than Samuel Eto,Prince Boateng even Danny Rose from England that have all been victims of racist abuse and chants? It's goes beyond money my friend.

Racist abuse in a football ground doesn't count my friend.

I remember attending a Nigerian game vs Scotland in London, and the Nigerian fans behind the goal were taunting the Scottish keeper, calling him a useless oyibo and asking where his skirt was....

If you attend football games as regularly as I do, you will recognise that abuse in the stadium, even racial abuse, doesn't really count as an act of racism per se. Football fans will abuse anything and anyone that isn't in their team shirt.

Fedayeen:
Davido graduated as one of the best students in Babcock University

doesn't even know that America fought a civil war talk more of Confederate or Union

lol, u too much..... the samething that occur to my mind as while, but you know what, blame is stylist they probably didn't know better

Nihilist:


Paid which price?

And for who?

Before and During the Civil Rights Movement in the 60s, Rich Nigerians were already building extensive property portfolios abroad. The likes of Alhaji Dantata and Sir Odemegwu Ojukwu were filthy rich, and didnt need Dr Martin Luther King Jnr to fight for their right to buy property in America or the UK or anywhere else. The Civil Rights movement simply did not relate to them, because they were not in the same category as the average African American.

I think you may be the one who needs to 'pick up a damn book and read'

you bask in your ignorance. Show me evidence right now that those people were able to do what you've claimed in America, not the UK you fool but America (if you have a hard time telling the difference). Nigerians in America and covered under term black/African American, this should inform you that there isn't much difference. While Africa was just gaining independence, black Americans were fighting for civil human right here in America, so were other blacks around the world especially in the western hemisphere. In the 60's you couldn't even use the same restroom as whites in the south and some part of the North, talking about some nonentity from Africa being able to forge ahead in America. If AAs haven't paid the price, America would not be a place where blacks could freely migrate to.

vikkytan49:


sorry to say this, you talk lame, is this thread not sensitive enough

Sensitive?what a joke! There is a lot of things to worry about not this joke!

Olodos

This romance between Davido and Wizkid, na wa o. Make them no fall out on day o.

LajaLaba:
Sensitive?what a joke! There is a lot of things to worry about not this joke!

Well i guess u have problem with this types of thread, then you should have just ignore, instead of badmouthing..

tevinsolt:


you bask in your ignorance. Show me evidence right now that those people were able to do what you've claimed in America, not the UK you fool but America (if you have a hard time telling the difference). Nigerians in America and covered under term black/African American, this should inform you that there isn't much difference. While Africa was just gaining independence, black Americans were fighting for civil human right here in America, so were other blacks around the world especially in the western hemisphere. In the 60's you couldn't even use the same restroom as whites in the south and some part of the North, talking about some nonentity from Africa being able to forge ahead in America. If AAs haven't paid the price, America would not be a place where blacks could freely migrate to.

As early as 1926, there were already Nigerians studying at US universities. I'm sure I don't need to tell you how expensive that must have been back then...Nnamdi Azikiwe got his Masters from Unversity of Pennyslyvania in 1934. I hope you know that UPen is an Ivy League uni and one of the most prestigious Unis in America. By 1960, Odemegwu Ojukwu was a board member at Shell Oil....one of the largest oil producers in the world.

If you think that some 'nonentity from Africa being able to forge ahead in America' was an impossible mission, you should go outside, buy a long sturdy cane, and then pay someone to flog you with it.

Like I said, the struggle of the average African American was and generally is not the struggle of the average Nigerian.

vikkytan49:



Well i guess u have problem with this types of thread, then you should have just ignore, instead of badmouthing..

Look man!I got problem with 80% of thread here#Fact this forum is gradually turning into a blog!useless thread useless comments everywhere! And who the hell are u to tell me what to read or ignore young man

sukkot:
[b]that confederate flag symbol has deeper meaning and the true meaning of it is only understood by those in esoteric circles. that symbol has existed way before america was created as a country and was used by the blackamoors. yes it is a symbol that suggests you are destroying a people but it is a symbol that is passed down from empires to empires depending on who is on top. it is a symbol for the ' oppressors ' . when the blackamoors were oppressing whites in spain and portugal they had the symbol and then it was passed down to the southern confederate states who were oppressing the blacks in the USA and when USA falls the symbol will be passed on to the next oppressors. point being the symbol does not belong to the white man but it is an agreed upon symbol in esoteric illuminati international circles to be passed on to the oppressors. now this symbol was retired in the south last year officially because power change is coming, and davido and kanye west wearing the symbol means power is returning to the black man. not all black men but the black messiahs are coming. so this symbol has been worn by kanye west and davido and best believe they did not choose to wear it because they felt like it. some illuminati type controlling their record labels told them to wear it to convey a message. this world is controlled by esoteric symbols.[/b]

In as much as I like Kanye West and I collect Yeezys, I don't see anyway this represents taking power back from something that's still being used as a tool for racism. The US is still deeply segregated, especially the Deep South, and white folks in that part of America are still stuck in the 1600s. Kanye is just trying to start a next movement similar to how black folks took power out of the word "nigg.er" and he ended up with an epic fail. This is basically like seeing a Jew running around with the Nazi insignia.

Davido on his part, though still young and carefree, is ignorant. And his case is similar to the clowns on here who think some fictitious naij folks bought houses in America during segregation and whites didn't treat them the same way as African Americans. Common sense alone should tell anyone with an IQ higher than 20 that a nigg.er is a nigg.er and any Nigerian out there at that time would've been treated the same. Even in the UK that wasn't as bad as the US at the time - the "no dogs, no blacks, no Irish" applied to everyone, regardless of nationality and Nigerian students in the UK at that period went through the same thing black Brits went through, hence a lot of them had kids and left them in foster homes cos life was unbearable for them. Fela Kuti's experience in the UK during that era was one of the reasons why he never liked white people. Now imagine what the US would have been like?

Also, a lot of these ignorant folks don't even know that without Marcus Garvey, the civil rights movements, Malcolm X et al, there wouldn't have been an anti-colonial movement in Africa, hence folks like Kwame Nkrumah, Sekou Toure, Patrice Lumumba, Nelson Mandela, Steve Biko et al paid homage to them for the consciousness. Just to educate the illiterate folks: the first anti-colonial movement in Africa, WASU (West African Student Union or so) started by Ladipo Solanke, was influenced by the Garveyites. Then you had the Pan-African anti-colonial conference series which started in 1900 in London and African Americans and Caribbeans were the ones who started this initiative. I believe Awolowo attended the 5th one held in Manchester in 1945. After that, Kwame Nkrumah became influenced by all the African American movements when he was a student in America and I believe he met MLK. Once he got back to Africa, he decided to start his own movement, with help from African Americans, thus making Ghana the first country to be granted independence in Africa. And without Nkrumah, there wouldn't have been no Nnamdi Azikwe cos Nkrumah helped him travel to the US to study.

Enough education for ignorant folks.

Nihilist:
It's a Yeezus jacket - Made by a rich black man and worn by another rich black man.

Theres a level of money you accrue in life, when racism and racist symbols literally mean nothing to you.

Every single person moaning about this issue needs to understand that Davido will probably never be a victim of racism...

What about the people who presently are victims of racism? He should be insensitive towards them se? Next thing you know he will change his last name to Oruru and start using pregnant 13year old girls as video vixens. After all according your logic"Davido will probably never be a victim of kidnap or be impregnated"

Nihilist:


As early as 1926, there were already Nigerians studying at US universities. I'm sure I don't need to tell you how expensive that must have been back then...Nnamdi Azikiwe got his Masters from Unversity of Pennyslyvania in 1934. I hope you know that UPen is an Ivy League uni and one of the most prestigious Unis in America. By 1960, Odemegwu Ojukwu was a board member at Shell Oil....one of the largest oil producers in the world.

If you think that some 'nonentity from Africa being able to forge ahead in America' was an impossible mission, you should go outside, buy a long sturdy cane, and then pay someone to flog you with it.

Like I said, the struggle of the average African American was and generally is not the struggle of the average Nigerian.

and there were many other African Americans who studied at prestigious colleges before him across the country, it still doesn't erase the fact that there was a nation wide, institutionalized racism across the country, Azikwe was able to attend UPen, because Americans have suffered and fought to be allowed to read. Not saying he didn't work hard to be there but considering the history of America it wouldn't have been able to go there. If America was the way it was 60 -100 yrs ago, finding a Nigerian would would be like finding a southerner living in the Sambisa forest. Just because I wasn't a Jew in Nazi Germany doesn't mean I shouldn't be empathetic towards the pain and struggle the Jewish people faced. That's is the stupidest line of reasoning ever

Shymm3x:


In as much as I like Kanye West and I collect Yeezys, I don't see anyway this represents taking power back from something that's still being used as a tool for racism. The US is still deeply segregated, especially the Deep South, and white folks in that part of America are still stuck in the 1600s. Kanye is just trying to start a next movement similar to how black folks took power out of the word "nigg.er" and he ended up with an epic fail. This is basically like seeing a Jew running around with the Nazi insignia.

Davido on his part, though still young and carefree, is ignorant. And his case is similar to the clowns on here who think some fictitious naij folks bought houses in America during segregation and whites didn't treat them the same way as African Americans. Common sense alone should tell anyone with an IQ higher than 20 that a nigg.er is a nigg.er and any Nigerian out there at that time would've been treated the same. Even in the UK that wasn't as bad as the US at the time - the "no dogs, no blacks, no Irish" applied to everyone, regardless of nationality and Nigerian students in the UK at that period went through the same thing black Brits went through, hence a lot of them had kids and left them in foster homes cos life was unbearable for them. Fela Kuti's experience in the UK during that era was one of the reasons why he never liked white people. Now imagine what the US would have been like?

Also, a lot of these ignorant folks don't even know that without Marcus Garvey, the civil rights movements, Malcolm X et al, there wouldn't have been an anti-colonial movement in Africa, hence folks like Kwame Nkrumah, Sekou Toure, Patrice Lumumba, Nelson Mandela, Steve Biko et al paid homage to them for the consciousness. Just to educate the illiterate folks: the first anti-colonial movement in Africa, WASU (West African Student Union or so) started by Ladipo Solanke, was influenced by the Garveyites. Then you had the Pan-African anti-colonial conference series which started in 1900 London and African Americans and Caribbeans were the ones who started this initiative. I believe Awolowo attended the 5th one held in Manchester in 1945. After that, Kwame Nkrumah became influenced by all the African American movements when he was a student in America and I believe he met MLK. Once you got back to Africa, he decided to start his own movement, with help from African Americans, thus making Ghana the first country to be granted independence in Africa. And without Nkrumah, there wouldn't have been no Nnamdi Azikwe cos Nkrumah helped him travel to the US to study.

Enough education for ignorant folks.

If you want to drop the ad hominems and focus on my posts, I can engage in a discussion with you. Otherwise, you can just jog on and don't bother replying this.

I'm not talking about or caring about any civil rights movements. The examples I gave were of rich Nigerians who were already infinitely wealthy before the Nigerian Independence.

When you can afford to send your child to study in America and Britain, 30-40 years before independence and/or the civil rights movement, then it's pretty obvious that race, racism, and racial issues do not apply to you in the way it applies to others....and therein lies my original point.

Even in America, the likes of Sammie Davis Jnr were swanning around with white society way before the civil rights movement. Not to say he didn't experience racism, but he most definitely wasn't a victim.

Money> Race
Money> Religion
Money> Politics.

You only have to look at the fallout from Panama Papers so see how so called political and ideological enemies from David Cameron to Vladimir Putin to Robert Freaking Mugabe all share the same dodgy banker.

Money goes beyond all of that. You can call Davido ignorant, and you may be right. But best believe that if you and Davido ever find yourselve surrounded by racist whites...only one of you will be the victim.

"If money is power, nigga, then I've got millions of power, nigga" - Rick Ross

The only thing these kids know is money and nothing else.
They know nothing

Fam, fvck off my post. Illiteracy/ignorance is contagious.

"I don't debate those below me, I educate/teach them" - Dr. John Henrik Clarke

No time to waste.

tevinsolt:


and there were many other African Americans who studied at prestigious colleges before him across the country, it still doesn't erase the fact that there was a nation wide, institutionalized racism across the country, Azikwe was able to attend UPen, because Americans have suffered and fought to be allowed to read. Not saying he didn't work hard to be there but considering the history of America it wouldn't have been able to go there. If America was the way it was 60 -100 yrs ago, finding a Nigerian would would be like finding a southerner living in the Sambisa forest. Just because I wasn't a Jew in Nazi Germany doesn't mean I shouldn't be empathetic towards the pain and struggle the Jewish people faced. That's is the stupidest line of reasoning ever

The original line of reasoning was that Davido shouldn't be wearing the confederate flag because it was a symbol of racism towards him as a person, rather than towards anyone else......Hence people were slagging him off for willing branding himself in a symbol that some see as degrading to the black man.

I was only pointing out that Davido would not have experienced the struggle that that flag represents, and as such it clearly has no negative connotations to him. What's more, the fact that he is super loaded means that he will most like never have any negative experiences while wearing that flag.

I think your problem here is conflating the Swastika and the Confederate flag. I will have to remind you that only of those two symbols is actually illegal to replicate...I will also remind you that the confedrate flag has no meaning or political context to the majority of Nigerians in Nigeria. He took a picture with a Nigerian and shared to a mostly Nigerian audience, so I fail to see how he was being 'insensitive' deliberately or not.

But lets not let common sense get in the way of an opportunity to rant...

Shymm3x:
Fam, fvck off my post. Illiteracy/ignorance is contagious.

"I don't debate those below me, I educate/teach them" - Dr. John Henrik Clarke

No time to waste.

I'm pretty sure we've agreed to stay out of each others way. This is the second time now that you've posted to me first.

I'm done.

LajaLaba:
Look man!I got problem with 80% of thread here#Fact this forum is gradually turning into a blog!useless thread useless comments everywhere! And who the hell are u to tell me what to read or ignore young man

Na so the thing dey pain you?
Well Since you're that pissed, you might aswell pack your ass and get out of this thread..

vikkytan49:


Na so the thing dey pain you?
Well Since you're that pissed, you might aswell pack your ass and get out of this thread..

U are sick go find a doctor WTF!!!

abbey621:


Wow did I just read this? The official U.S flag represents slavery? Bro, what ya' smoking? We might as well say the official flags of all African countries represents slavery because Africans sold each other first before Europeans ever thought of it! If you truly understood what racism in the states did to the mentality of blacks, you would realize just how horrible it is to even condone anything that represents it's core value. The confederate flag is a symbol that still reminds many white supremacists today what they had back in the days, it is a source of inspiration for them. The mere fact that a Nigerian that's supposed to be a symbol of inspiration for his fans is so naïve of his heritage to the point that he would wear something which shows the world he's exactly the way the white man sees him, "an inferior piece of sh*t!"

Typical illiterate.

Can you tell me the difference between the US flag of today and the Union flag of the Americin civil war, and what all the colours represent? Once you post the answer, you will see how you put ya foot in ya mouth trying to jump into something you have no clue whatsoever about.

And did the US founding fathers, including George Washington, own slaves or not? So if they were slave owners and also the main actors amongst the unionists...how does that make them different from the slave owners in the confederate states, since both parties were involved in the act?

I'm sure you don't know that the stars on the US flag represent the states and the union flag was the same flag, with the Stars representing the confederate states missing on it, no?

You lot of just blinkered louts and you talk too much for being ignorant and empty vessels. You'll self-destruct when you find out what the red stripes on the US flag represent.

Shymm3x:


In as much as I like Kanye West and I collect Yeezys, I don't see anyway this represents taking power back from something that's still being used as a tool for racism. The US is still deeply segregated, especially the Deep South, and white folks in that part of America are still stuck in the 1600s. Kanye is just trying to start a next movement similar to how black folks took power out of the word "nigg.er" and he ended up with an epic fail. This is basically like seeing a Jew running around with the Nazi insignia.

Davido on his part, though still young and carefree, is ignorant. And his case is similar to the clowns on here who think some fictitious naij folks bought houses in America during segregation and whites didn't treat them the same way as African Americans. Common sense alone should tell anyone with an IQ higher than 20 that a nigg.er is a nigg.er and any Nigerian out there at that time would've been treated the same. Even in the UK that wasn't as bad as the US at the time - the "no dogs, no blacks, no Irish" applied to everyone, regardless of nationality and Nigerian students in the UK at that period went through the same thing black Brits went through, hence a lot of them had kids and left them in foster homes cos life was unbearable for them. Fela Kuti's experience in the UK during that era was one of the reasons why he never liked white people. Now imagine what the US would have been like?

Also, a lot of these ignorant folks don't even know that without Marcus Garvey, the civil rights movements, Malcolm X et al, there wouldn't have been an anti-colonial movement in Africa, hence folks like Kwame Nkrumah, Sekou Toure, Patrice Lumumba, Nelson Mandela, Steve Biko et al paid homage to them for the consciousness. Just to educate the illiterate folks: the first anti-colonial movement in Africa, WASU (West African Student Union or so) started by Ladipo Solanke, was influenced by the Garveyites. Then you had the Pan-African anti-colonial conference series which started in 1900 in London and African Americans and Caribbeans were the ones who started this initiative. I believe Awolowo attended the 5th one held in Manchester in 1945. After that, Kwame Nkrumah became influenced by all the African American movements when he was a student in America and I believe he met MLK. Once he got back to Africa, he decided to start his own movement, with help from African Americans, thus making Ghana the first country to be granted independence in Africa. And without Nkrumah, there wouldn't have been no Nnamdi Azikwe cos Nkrumah helped him travel to the US to study.

Enough education for ignorant folks.

its gradual handover. just how the moors handed over power back to the whites. jacob and esau. they share the rulership of the world. this some deep stuff. but i cant reveal more than i have revealed to you. the inner workings of this world is a mystery to all but privy to a few. daz all i gotta say

and like i said, those guys didnt just put on that jacket. someone told them to.

Shymm3x:


Typical illiterate.

Can you tell me the difference between the US flag of today and the Union flag of the Americin civil war, and what all the colours represent? Once you post the answer, you will see how you put ya foot in ya mouth trying to jump into something you have no clue whatsoever about.

And did the US founding fathers, including George Washington, own slaves or not? So if they were slave owners and also the main actors amongst the unionists...how does that make them different from the slave owners in the confederate states, since both parties were involved in the act?

I'm sure you don't know that the stars on the US flag represent the states and the union flag was the same flag, with the Stars representing the confederate states missing on it, no?

You lot of just blinkered louts and you talk too much for being ignorant and empty vessels. You'll self-destruct when you find out what the red stripes on the US flag represent.

Stop exposing your cluelessness, apart from taking several classes in U.S and World history, I'm blessed with an uncle who is an Historian, so kid you're barking up the wrong tree! Now to educate you a little, the original union flag had 33 stars representing every State and grew to 36 by the end of the war, the original Confederate flag had 7 stars representing the States of the confederacy and grew all the way to 13, the fundamental difference between both flags is that one represents all States and one represents States wishing to separate. I don't really need to argue with you because anyone that took basic U.S history in high school or college understands the fundamental difference between the Union and the Confederates. One group decided to end slavery and the other group decided they would rather die than live in a country without slaves. This is the most simple version and even a simpleton like yourself can grab the meaning. Now to the bold part of your silly write-up, they wouldn't call it a union if it didn't represent all the States would they? Your illogical reasoning still shies away from the fact that there would have been no Civil War if the North or the Union decided they want to continue owning slaves. In fact, Slaves were free in the North at least 5 to 10 years before the Civil War, so your little theory does not hold any water. You've yet to answer my question, if Africans sold each other as slaves initially, does it make all African countries as bad as slave owners in the States? I don't know what you are blabbing about regarding the red stripes, the red and white stripes represents the original 13 colonies who fought for freedom against Great Britain, or do you have another conspiracy theory?

abbey621:


Stop exposing your cluelessness, apart from taking several classes in U.S and World history, I'm blessed with an uncle who is an Historian, so kid you're barking up the wrong tree! Now to educate you a little, the original union flag had 33 stars representing every State and grew to 36 by the end of the war, the original Confederate flag had 7 stars representing the States of the confederacy and grew all the way to 13, the fundamental difference between both flags is that one represents all States and one represents States wishing to separate. I don't really need to argue with you because anyone that took basic U.S history in high school or college understands the fundamental difference between the Union and the Confederates. One group decided to end slavery and the other group decided they would rather die than live in a country without slaves. This is the most simple version and even a simpleton like yourself can grab the meaning. Now to the bold part of your silly write-up, they wouldn't call it a union if it didn't represent all the States would they? Your illogical reasoning still shies away from the fact that there would have been no Civil War if the North or the Union decided they want to continue owning slaves. In fact, Slaves were free in the North at least 5 to 10 years before the Civil War, so your little theory does not hold any water. You've yet to answer my question, if Africans sold each other as slaves initially, does it make all African countries as bad as slave owners in the States? I don't know what you are blabbing about regarding the red stripes, the red and white stripes represents the original 13 colonies who fought for freedom against Great Britain, or do you have another conspiracy theory?

Stop pontificating and writing disjointed essays about ya autobiography...I'm not interested in the story of ya life. Just state what the red stripes represent. Is that too difficult to answer?

You're a clown and I believe you lack reading and comprehension skills. In the post you quoted: I stated that I don't think you can label the Confederate flag as a slavery, without also labeling the US flag a slavery flag, since both parties were guilty in the act - Unionists and Confederate states. However, you can make a legit case for racism, oppression during Jim Crow, and lynching of black folks - and no sensible black person should be running around with a flag like that. Is that too difficult for you to understand, or do you want me to use google translate, to translate it to whatever language you can demystify?

Anyway, you keep exposing ya ignorance and to save myself an unnecessary back and forth, I shall tell you what the red stripes represent. The stripes represent the American British colonies that became rebellious to Great Britain...they're 13 in number and those were the states where slavery started in America. The first slaves taken to America were taken to Virginia to King George's plantation. So if those states represent the genesis of slavery in America, and they've been on every American union flag and they're still well represented on the current US flag - how's the US flag different from the confederate flag in terms of slavery?

sukkot:
its gradual handover. just how the moors handed over power back to the whites. jacob and esau. they share the rulership of the world. this some deep stuff. but i cant reveal more than i have revealed to you. the inner workings of this world is a mystery to all but privy to a few. daz all i gotta say

and like i said, those guys didnt just put on that jacket. someone told them to.

Lool.

I'm not buying that crap. You can't be running around with a flag like that - the history behind it is too gory and unpleasant. That's like the KKK symbol and the insignia for lynching. Fvck that flag - you just can't disrespect the souls of black folks who died in the struggle.

You can say it's African American shyte and it has nothing to do with Africans, but once you've been able to read about black history in America, Caribbean, UK, and colonial Africa - you would see that everything is intertwined and we're all connected. When segregation was going to America with the lynching of AAs, Caribbeans were also going through theirs. There was "no dogs, no blacks, no Irish" posters everywhere in the UK. Apartheid was going on in South Africa, while King Leopold was killing millions of black folks in Congo. And most Nigerians were left in the villages while being treated like animals by colonial Brits, hence at independence almost 90% of Nigerian were illiterates. Now when you look at the 50s when the civil right movements started and Malcolm X became notorious - the renaissance got to the Caribbean and they started their own independence struggle. That was also when the anti-colonial movement in Africa started gaining momentum. And in the UK, black folks started demanding more rights. Can you see how intertwined everyone is? We're all the same people in the same struggle.

One even in history that will always be at the back of my mind was the invasion of Ethiopia by Mussolini and how thousands of black folks queued up in Harlem trying to apply for passports, to go fight in Africa for Ethiopia. They were all barred from leaving the country, though some of them managed to sneak out. However, that's brotherhood right there about a people forever connected.

Shymm3x:


Stop pontificating and writing disjointed essays about ya autobiography...I'm not interested in the story of ya life. Just state what the red stripes represent. Is that too difficult to answer?

You're a clown and I believe you lack reading and comprehension skills. In the post you quoted: I stated that I don't think you can label the Confederate flag as a slavery, without also labeling the US flag a slavery flag, since both parties were guilty in the act - Unionists and Confederate states. However, you can make a legit case for racism, oppression during Jim Crow, and lynching of black folks - and no sensible black person should be running around with a flag like that. Is that too difficult for you to understand, or do you want me to use google translate, to translate it to whatever language you can demystify?

Anyway, you keep exposing ya ignorance and to save myself an unnecessary back and forth, I shall tell you what the red stripes represent. The stripes represent the American British colonies that became rebellious to Great Britain...they're 13 in number and those were the states where slavery started in America. The first slaves taken to America were taken to Virginia to King George's plantation. So if those states represent the genesis of slavery in America, and they've been on every American union flag and they're still well represented on the current US flag - how's the US flag different from the confederate flag in terms of slavery?

Did you miss this part of my last comment, "I don't know what you are blabbing about regarding the red stripes, the red and white stripes represents the original 13 colonies who fought for freedom against Great Britain, or do you have another conspiracy theory?" or are you too blind to notice? Your theory still does not make sense, you want to know why? You are equating the Confederates with the entire United States and that is a fallacy. The Confederates started as just 7 States and about half of the states in the original 13 colonies were not part of them. I don't know maybe it's because you are not very bright or maybe you want to be right so badly but why can't you answer simple questions? Would there be a need for a Confederate flag or the Confederates if the Union or North decided they want to continue owning slaves? Deep inside you know the answer is no and this hereby nullifies your argument that the Union and the confederates are one of the same, it matters not what everyone did initially as everyone owned slaves even Africans but what matters is who did the right thing in the end. In every country's history there's a defining moment, the United States' denounced slavery while a couple of rebel States rejected that denouncement, this is what led to the Civil War that led to many deaths. You do understand what Civil War means? A country almost divided due to fundamental differences, if the union and the confederates represented the same fundamentals why was there a war? Explain this to me Einstein!

Shymm3x:


Lool.

I'm not buying that crap. You can't be running around with a flag like that - the history behind it is too gory and unpleasant. That's like the KKK symbol and the insignia for lynching. Fvck that flag - you just can't disrespect the souls of black folks who died in the struggle.

You can say it's African American shyte and it has nothing to do with Africans, but once you've been able to read about black history in America, Caribbean, UK, and colonial Africa - you would see that everything is intertwined and we're all connected. When segregation was going to America with the lynching of AAs, Caribbeans were also going through theirs. There was "no dogs, no blacks, no Irish" posters everywhere in the UK. Apartheid was going on in South Africa, while King Leopold was killing millions of black folks in Congo. And most Nigerians were left in the villages while being treated like animals by colonial Brits, hence at independence almost 90% of Nigerian were illiterates. Now when you look at the 50s when the civil right movements started and Malcolm X became notorious - the renaissance got to the Caribbean and they started their own independence struggle. That was also when the anti-colonial movement in Africa started gaining momentum. And in the UK, black folks started demanding more rights. Can you see how intertwined everyone is? We're all the same people in the same struggle.

One even in history that will always be at the back of my mind was the invasion of Ethiopia by Mussolini and how thousands of black folks queued up in Harlem trying to apply for passports, to go fight in Africa for Ethiopia. They were all barred from leaving the country, though some of them managed to sneak out. However, that's brotherhood right there about a people forever connected.

thats an emotional approach to it. its ours and we are taking it back. same way the white man has stolen everyones cultures and called it his. heck we still have so many nigerian artifacts in their museums. so we taking it all back including the confederate symbol. it belongs to the moors.

like the OUTLAWS AND 2PAC said >>> ' whatever you took, we taking it back '

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abbey621:


Did you miss this part of my last comment, "I don't know what you are blabbing about regarding the red stripes, the red and white stripes represents the original 13 colonies who fought for freedom against Great Britain, or do you have another conspiracy theory?" or are you too blind to notice? Your theory still does not make sense, you want to know why? You are equating the Confederates with the entire United States and that is a fallacy. The Confederates started as just 7 States and about half of the states in the original 13 colonies were not part of them. I don't know maybe it's because you are not very bright or maybe you want to be right so badly but why can't you answer simple questions? Would there be a need for a Confederate flag or the Confederates if the Union or North decided they want to continue owning slaves? Deep inside you know the answer is no and this hereby nullifies your argument that the Union and the confederates are one of the same, it matters not what everyone did initially as everyone owned slaves even Africans but what matters is who did the right thing in the end. In every country's history there's a defining moment, the United States' denounced slavery while a couple of rebel States rejected that denouncement, this is what led to the Civil War that led to many deaths. You do understand what Civil War means? A country almost divided due to fundamental differences, if the union and the confederates represented the same fundamentals why was there a war? Explain this to me Einstein!

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Stark illiterate, were those states involved in slavery - yes or no? If they were involved in slavery and their original flag is what became the US flag, with extra stars - how does that make the flag different the confederate flag in terms of slavery?

Despicable bum, US flags from 1775: