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Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by analice107: 11:07am On Apr 08, 2016 |
Peritus:Brother you just confirmed something I almost was trapped into doing. Some years back, I broke my celibacy of close to 10 years because Satan kept whispering in my ears that keeping my celibacy will lead me to remaining unmarried. I got into a relationship with a christian brother, hoping it will lead to marriage, but gradually, subtly I fell into sin, and my spiritual life started epping out. I decided to break it off and stand firm, and by the beginning of January 2013, I reaffirmed my stance with God. I broke communication completly with the brother. But recently he came back, trying to be friendly. We started hanging around again, my stance is resolute. At first, he was fine with my position of no body contact of any kind. He will call me, he doesn't have food, pls I shd come and help him cook. because I like to cook, I will go, he started his antics again. One day, I asked myself what I was doing? If this guy wants anything serious with you, he would ve said it or made moves. When your prayer partners see you here, what do u expect them to believe? That you join them to pray and yet end up in a man's house? OK, you'll tell them that "there has been no body contact right?". But will they ask you what you are doing here? Do you know how many could be discouraged? Move!!!!!!!. And I moved. Pls we shd not make the mistake of thinking "We can hang around, there shall be no sex". Really? Listen, try keeping a goat with a yam and see. If the goat doesn't eat the yam, it's maybe because the goat is sick or the yam is bad. DON'T KEEP A GOAT AND YAM TOGTHER And assume the goat won't eat the yam. 11 Likes |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 9:54pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
Today is just super dry, seems everyone is busy. I needed clarification on something which is bugging my mind and have been expecting one of our great brethren here to help address it but nothing. Here is what I posted earlier on here Brethren in the house, I need serious clarification about this and its about the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Based on my knowledge and my experience also on the journey God took me before I was being baptised by the Holy Ghost and could speak in tongues. The bible says when you receive Christ Jesus as you Lord and saviour, you receive the Holy Spirit which is right but from my own knowledge and understanding, baptism of the Holy Ghost and power with the evidence of speaking in tongues does not come until the heart is fully sanctified. I understand that when you are born again, your spirit is but not the soul which means your thoughts and mind is still the same as there is still the old adamic nature in us but after salvation comes sanctification which is when you renew your mind with the word of God then after the heart is fully sanctified, then baptism of the Holy Spirit. Reason for all this is because the Holy Spirit does not dwell in an unsanctified heart so until there is sanctification, there is no baptism of the Holy Ghost. This is how I understand it and this was exactly how it happened in my own case. Now there is this other church I went to, and what they teaches is that a sinner as soon as he receive Jesus can be baptised immediately and also speak in tongues, which they also practise backing it with scriptures like acts 2:37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptised, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.” And some other scriptures and this they practise in that church, once you receive Jesus, they help you to speak in tongues I understand that satan has he's own counterfeit of speaking in tongues. Now my question is, can a sinner who just receives salvation and hasn't gone through sanctification of the heart be baptised with the Holy Ghost and can speak in tongues? This is really bordering me and confusing and they use lots of scriptures in the bible, 1cor 12,13,14 and some others to back it up. On the day of pentecost, when about 120 of them were baptised, they already believed and received Jesus, they were already followers of Christ so it was easy for them to be baptised but a sinner who just receive Jesus to be baptised in the Holy Ghost and can speak in tongues just immediately is what baffles me. Bro CharlyG1,sis analice107,bro vooks, bro GoodMuyis, bro oyeludef and others, please contribute Thanks and everyone should have a great night |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by Tjayjosh(m): 10:22pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
@JMG1. The ministry of the holy spirit is one which we cannot fully comprehend. It is not mathematics, physics or chemistry. In the house of cornelius, the bible says, while peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with peter because that on the gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered peter, can anyone forbid water that these should not be baptized, which have recieved the Holy Ghost as well as we? (Acts 10:44-47 KJV). It should be pointed out that the depth of meaning and symbolism in the above passage is extensive and far beyond any simplistic understanding that could be garnered from the a simple reading of the bible. And what do you mean by sanctification of the heart? Does it mean that we were not sanctified on the day we got born again? Therefore if any man be in christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new (2 corinthians 5:17 KJV). You cannot become more sanctified than the day you got born again. Regarding your question. An answer based on my own study of the bible. Please continue to study the scriptures to determine if you believe the same. One thing happens to every believer at the moment of salvation; we all recieve the Holy Spirit. Nowhere is it stated in the bible that every believer must speak in tongues. Speaking in tongues is a gift that has specific purpose, for a specific time. It was not and never has been the only evidence of recieving the Holy Spirit. God bless you! |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by superior1: 7:14am On Apr 09, 2016 |
analice107: Roger that: Dont keep goat and yam together, if you dont want stories that touches the heart and the spirit. 1 Like |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by CharlyG1: 8:15am On Apr 09, 2016 |
My sincere apology goes out to everyone who sent me mails and messages. I'm very sorry for the late response I gave you. And if I'm still yet to respond to you, I surely will do so. The last few weeks had been quite jam packed for me. But now I'm going to be devoting some quality time on the thread. I welcome everyone of you just joining us. May God increase you in wisdom and strength as you participate. Thanks to everyone that has been here contributing.. Analice my dear friend ![]() This coming week is going to be real hot by the special grace of God. I will be sharing some things revealed to me by God I want to encourage us here to stand strong in Jesus Christ. I know some of us may be facing financial challenges and spiritual ones as well. But just know that God has made a way for you. And very soon it will come to limelight in Jesus Name.. Amen God bless you all. 13 Likes |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by sonofthunder: 8:57am On Apr 09, 2016 |
JMG1:have u read about Cornelius and his family? |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by donnie(m): 9:02am On Apr 09, 2016 |
JMG1: The problem I believe is with your definitions of the terms : Sanctification and Baptism of the Holy Spirit. I will discuss sanctification now and maybe Baptism of the Holy Spirit another day. Firstly, the Word Sanctification means "to set apart" by God for His holy use. Sanctification is in two- fold: 1. FIRST FOLD- Instantaneous sanctification: This is the separation of the new believer from the world. This is instantaneous and takes place at the new birth. The moment he/she receives Christ and is born again, he/ she is immediately separated by the Holy Spirit from the world. It was the Holy Spirit that sanctified us, bringing us faith which resulted in our salvation. 2Thes 2:13 " ... because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:" 1Pet1:2 " Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: ..." 1cor 6:11 "And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." 2. SECOND FOLD -Continuous Sanctification: This is the Ultimate Separation of the believer unto God. This is progressive and should continue in the life of the believer until he leaves this earth. It involves the renewing of the mind and the subjection of one's thoughts and emotions to the Word. Romans 12:1-2 " I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." 1thes 5:23 " And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 & 2 Explained: It is like a man who falls into a ditch. The first thing is to get the man out of the ditch(This is like the First-fold. The believer is brought out of the world by the Holy Spirit through faith). The next thing is to get the ditch out of him by cleaning him up(This is like the Second-fold). The believer replaces the wrong thoughts words and actions with those of the Word. NOTE: The one who hasn't received or isn't conscious of the fact that he has the First, cannot successfully experience the Second. His/her Christian experience will be that of struggle, frustration and condemnation. So as a believer, praise God for sanctifying you, then you will be able to live the sanctified life. CONCLUSION: So you can see why those you thought were not qualified received the Holy Spirit. Because, He purified their hearts by faith in His Word. Acts 15:9. 3 Likes |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 11:05am On Apr 09, 2016 |
donnie:Man shall indeed not live by bread alone but by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Now I understand better. Thanks 2 Likes |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 11:07am On Apr 09, 2016 |
sonofthunder:Yes I have. I just seems to be confusing the context of the word concerning this. But now I understand better. Thanks |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 11:10am On Apr 09, 2016 |
Tjayjosh:God bless you brother. I brought the topic here coz I didn't understand much but now its clearer. Thanks 1 Like |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by donnie(m): 11:36am On Apr 09, 2016 |
JMG1: Thank you too |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by GoodMuyis(m): 11:42am On Apr 09, 2016 |
JMG1: Receiving the Holy Ghost Baptism is a gift of God, also an anointing from God. Being anointing, it be transferred from one person to another through laying of Hand. Before I continue, I will like to clear what bold out from your text. The part[b]they help you to speak in tongues[/b]: If it occurred that the convert is being thought out to pronounce tongue like saying repeat after me, say this after me, this is wrong, we dont learn Tongue from man, the Holy Spirit Himself will lead us to speak without even learning. But if it is Laying on of hand that the converts might received Holy Ghost Baptism, the preacher knew well that without the Holy Ghost, our christian race will be full of rising and falling, but it is HIM that will guide the believers into all truth, helping to overcome temptations, also helping us to pray and more. On the day of pentecost, when about 120 of them were baptised, they already believed and received Jesus, they were already followers of Christ so it was easy for them to be baptised but a sinner who just receive Jesus to be baptised in the Holy Ghost and can speak in tongues just immediately is what baffles me. Well dont be surprise these new convert in question speak in tongue, it is the power of God, and remember that God tried the heart. Part of what we need to receive Holy Ghost Baptism is our Hunger for To know God (same happen to Cornelius), it is this hunger that will show how much we love God. There are many who desire the experience, they prayed, fasted and yet did not received it. I in person, I dont fast, I only do it once in a blue moon, and i never fasted for Holy Ghost Baptism, but my desire for God, only HIM can quantify it. So if new convert received Holy Ghost, s/he must have once had desire to come to God, if they dont desire HIM, they wouldn't have for for alter call, MY OPINION: so they receiving Holy Ghost is as a result of their desire for God,[Blessed are they who thirst and hunger after righteousness, for they shall be filled], I have a late Aunt, second to after my Mom to accept Jesus in our extended family, three years after her conversion she so firing praying tongue 3 Likes |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 12:11pm On Apr 09, 2016 |
GoodMuyis: Hunger for righteousness. Now I understand better. Before I got baptised in the Holy Ghost. I use to hear story about how people got baptised and was able to say few words in tongues and got better as they continue but in my own case, I prayed, fasted , hunger for it, twice I stayed up for like 2hours in the midnight, praising and praying to God hoping I will be baptised and can speak in tongues but nothing. The hunger and thirst for it was so much that the day I got baptised was in church and I spoke in tongues like have always been doing that. I got home and spoke in tongues like I want to speak the whole tongues I have been missing at a go with joy and happiness in my heart. Wow, I remember that glorious moment now as am typing and I feel like shedding tears of joy. That feeling can not be compaired with anything the world ever offer. Week after and was led by the Spirit to another Church and there from the pastors teaching I was able to interprete my tongues that I prophesy to some group of people and after which I continue still at the program to speak in tongues and God spoke to me, instructed me through tongues giving me the interpretation of the tongues concerning something. Brethren this God is Great, who is like Him, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders. I pray that the Lord grant us the Grace to run this race with him to the end and give us the strength never to weary in Jesus name. The church here says (AMEN 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by Peritus(m): 12:31pm On Apr 09, 2016 |
JMG1:God bless you |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by MuttleyLaff: 3:17pm On Apr 09, 2016 |
JMG1:Read below JMG1:Am not trying to be mean, not trying to hate, not try to be a smart alec but you dont speak in tongues JMG1:How this church you go or went to, teaches, is erroneous JMG1:a red flag should have raised up signalling a problem with ''they help you to speak in tongues'' JMG1:And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust - Isaiah 29:4 Of course, satan has he's own counterfeit of speaking in tongues, aided by familiar spirits etcetera JMG1:Yes, if talking of the real gift of speaking in tongues according to 1 Corinthians 12:10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. - 1 Corinthians 12:10 JMG1:cc posters Tjayjosh, sonofthunder, donnie, GoodMuyis and Peritus who so far had responded to your post 9Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: - Isaiah 28:9-10 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: - Isaiah 29:13 ''Precept upon precept'' in Isaiah 28:10 above, means: the arranging or placing things in relation to each according to a particular sequence, pattern or method (e.g. like maybe, on top of another, side by side etcetera) That is the rule to understanding the Bible (e.g. do an orderly arrangement of things relating to any Bible subject of interest like tongues guided by the Holy Spirit and NOT following the order or arrangement, mentioned in Isaiah 29:13, laid by men) Apart from repeating line upon line twice, for emphasis ''line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little'', this is self explanatory Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. - 2 Timothy 2:15 2 Timothy 2:15 is referenced above because the bible is a book of divisions It is a book of division as it has parts for the Jew, Gentile and Church there are some parts in the Bible where it speaks to the Jew and doesnt speak to the Gentile, there are some parts, the Bible says to the Gentile and it didnt say to the Church etcetera Having laid down the above (e.g. Isaiah 28:9-10, Isaiah 29:13 & Timothy 2:15), now let's both start find out how much of 2 Timothy 2:15 you are made of You enquired about the evidence of ''speaking in tongues'', mentioned Acts 2, 1 Corinthians 12 1 Corinthians 14, 1 Corinthians 14 etcetera, and the below quotes which stood out like a sore thumb ''Now there is this other church I went to, and what they teaches is that a sinner as soon as he receive Jesus can be baptised immediately and also speak in tongues, which they also practise backing it with scriptures like'' 1) Do you know that ''speaking in tongues'' or ''speak with other tongues'' as in the Bible IS NOT THE SAME AS what is widespread and generally accepted today to be? 2) Do you know why it was necessary that speaking with other tongues should occur when it occurred X amount times in the Bible? 3) Do you know what was the primary objective or goal for the time(s) that speaking with other tongues occurred in the Bible? 4) Do you know when speaking with other tongues occurred in the Bible who it was aimed at or meant for? 5a) Do you know, who or how many, on the day of Pentecost, spoke with other tongues? (i.e. give the number if not names or identities) 5b)What to your undestanding does ''speak with other tongues'' means? 13 Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. 15 What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will - 1 Corinthians 14:13–17 6) What is ''speaks in a tongue'' in 1 Corinthians 14:13 above all about? 7) According to GoodMuyis, three years after her conversion, his late Aunt was firing praying tongue, now with best efforts, give a demonstration, explanation and example of ''if I pray in a tongue'' as in 1 Corinthians 14:14a above 8 ) Why is it necessary that when my spirit prays my mind needs to be fruitful? (i.e. in relation to 1 Corinthians 14:14b) 9) Also give a demonstration explanation and example of praying in the spirit as in 1 Corinthians 14:15 above 27If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. 28But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God. - 1 Corinthians 14:27–28 10) What do you think of 1 Corinthians 14:27–28 above, does the church you mentioned also practise backing up ''speak in a tongue'' with scriptures like these? Those 10 will do for now, so lets have a kit-kat at this point |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by sonofthunder: 4:53pm On Apr 09, 2016 |
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Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by GoodMuyis(m): 5:15pm On Apr 09, 2016 |
GoodMuyis: - Concluding Note If you are reading this for the first time, try to read all from the beginning. I suppose to post this earlier but am waiting for Bro CharlyG1 to conclude the third part of his Post - Dealing with the sex demon. Please If you just stumble on this page try, go back and read from page 1 to 30 you will greatly benefit from this thread. Even if you read from page 1 to 100, and you elated about what you read BUT you did not pray seriously about it, there wont be CHANGE in your life. Any sin relating to fornication is attached to anti progress demon. why? If you have read a Book titled PLACEBO, the man narrating his experience, at the end of his journey/trance back into the hospital you will remember that he saw a man whom am evil spirit entered into his face and immediately that man lusted after a lady he saw in the hospital. The evil spirit was described to look like a frog, we can find similar spirit in Rev 16vs13. The Spiritual implication of this spirit of frog as more or less its nature. As explain to me by my Mum: A frog never soar or go beyond the level it can jump to and each time it jump it never go beyond the former height (unlike eager that soar high into the sky). The devil uses this spirit to limit people from progressing in life be it Spiritual, Marital, Financial etc the more they tried to move on and higher they will still come down, because a contrary force/spirit is living in them. Just as in my case I desire and hunger to now more God, and also i have desire to be filled with Holy Ghost and have prayed no result; know why am being weigh down by force contrary to me. but when am delivered what I long for just came on the platter of Gold. So you notice, such experience, you need to check and wait upon the lord in prayer for deliverance HE will do it. Lastly, what you read on this thread doesn't matter, but what matters is the Prayer you subject yourself to. I thank God for the Life of my Bro who created this thread. Always remember this name goodmuyis whom you have help. Also to others who have shared experience and to that Spiritual Deborah for her testimony Shalom 10 Likes |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 9:33pm On Apr 09, 2016 |
MuttleyLaff: 1 Timothy 2:3-4 This is good, and pleases God our Saviour,who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. Philippians 1:9 And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight The scriptures above me shows how God wants us to have and increase in the knowledge in the truth of the word and I as a person always finds a way of knowing the mysteries behind the word of God which brings forth light so I will do well in replying you the best way I can. I am open to any correction and more enlightment 1) Do you know that ''speaking in tongues'' or ''speak with other tongues'' as in the Bible IS NOT THE SAME AS what is widespread and generally accepted today to be? Ans= No and Yes. No because the Spirit they receive in the book of acts who gave them utterances is still the same Spirit we receive when we believe and Yes because a lot of those who claim to speak in tongues speaks gillberish, as they only fake it and some utterances as well are been given by demons as satan has he's own counterfeit of other tongues. 2) Do you know why it was necessary that speaking with other tongues should occur when it occurred X amount times in the Bible? Ans= 1 Cor 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: 3) Do you know what was the primary objective or goal for the time(s) that speaking with other tongues occurred in the Bible? Ans= more light on this 4) Do you know when speaking with other tongues occurred in the Bible who it was aimed at or meant for? Ans=i really do not get this question. What I understand is that to speak in tongues is a gift of the spirit, its the language of the spirit and its used to edify oneself and for prophesy if interpreted in the church 5a) Do you know, who or how many, on the day of Pentecost, spoke with other tongues? (i.e. give the number if not names or identities) Ans=among all the 120, the disciples were the only one who spoke in tongues Acts 2:7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? The multitude who hear them speaking in tongues refer them as galileans What they heard was tongues and interpretation, what they understood was the interpretation Pentecost is a feast of jews, they heard the galileans speaking in there tongue (they heard men of galilee interpreting in jewish language) This in reference to acts 1:11, the two men who stood by them in white apparel after Jesus ascended, refer them to galileans Acts 1:11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.” 5b)What to your understanding does ''speak with other tongues'' means? 13 Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. 15 What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will - 1 Corinthians 14:13–17 Ans= speaking in tongues as I know is a spiritual gift, the language of the spirit and paul points it out in 1cor 14:2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue[a] does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. 6) What is ''speaks in a tongue'' in 1 Corinthians 14:13 above all about? Ans=its about prophesying. Let him who speaks in tongues pray that he may interpret "to be able to edify the church" Interpretation of the tongues been spoken in the church is a prophesy 7) According to GoodMuyis, three years after her conversion, his late Aunt was firing praying tongue, now with best efforts, give a demonstration, explanation and example of ''if I pray in a tongue'' as in 1 Corinthians 14:14a above Ans= paul already point it out that when you speak in tongues, you speak mysteries. The spirit prays but understanding is unfruitful Romans8:26-27 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God. Why does the spirit groans? Why does the spirit needs to intercedes? Its because we do not pray right, e.g, praying that your enemy should die, pray God to give you a car, etc. He wants his children to live an abundance life but what if its not yet time? The spirit groans because our spirit is created the image of God and in His likeness, the spirit knows what we should pray for, He knows the will of God concerning our life so what then should we do? Why do you think paul boasted that he prays in tongues more than anyone in 1cor 14:18, he understands that the spirit always pray concerning the will of God. When I needed to pray concerning something I don't know how to put it, all I do is to ask the Holy Spirit to help. This is how I say it "Spirit of the Living God in me, help my spirit to pray concerning this(then I say what I needed to pray about)" immediately I finish, He takes over and I start praying in tongues. Even tho my understand is still fruitful as am still growing and praying to freely and fully understands, I trust my spirit so I pray in tongues and when the Holy Spirit is done, I know it then I give thanks and that's it. 8 ) Why is it necessary that when my spirit prays my mind needs to be fruitful? (i.e. in relation to 1 Corinthians 14:14b) Ans= for revelation, for knowledge, for prophesying and for teaching 9) Also give a demonstration explanation and example of praying in the spirit as in 1 Corinthians 14:15 above Ans=don't forget that interpretation of tongues is also a gift, the same stream where the tongues comes from is the same stream the interpretation comes from. Its just like english, you speak and write and can sing because u understand english language. If one is been given a book written in french and u don't speak nor understands it, you can try pronounce the words rightly but understanding is unfruitful but if you both understand and can speak, then you teach others who don't speak, write in french and translate, sing in french and translate, reveal things in french and translate to others who don't speak french. All profits from the gifts 27If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. 28But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God. - 1 Corinthians 14:27–28 10) What do you think of 1 Corinthians 14:27–28 above, does the church you mentioned also practise backing up ''speak in a tongue'' with scriptures like these? Ans: note that he said let him speak to himself and to God if no interpretation. Paul did not forbid speaking it tongues from that context, it should only be used for edify oneself by praying but if there comes a revelation from God, let him speaks to the church and interpret for the edification of the church "does the church you mentioned also practise backing up ''speak in a tongue'' with scriptures like these?" The church don't teach in tongues but they pray majorly in tongues |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by trueking: 9:54pm On Apr 09, 2016 |
I wonder why the gift to interpret tongues is so so rare these days, everyone wants to speak but no interpretation. |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by Nobody: 2:41am On Apr 10, 2016 |
trueking: Be sensitive when you speak .tongues of Men angels and God; stir up like we do other gifts. If Muscle not use it will be weak |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by GloriousEra: 10:39am On Apr 10, 2016 |
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Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by MuttleyLaff: 6:02pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
JMG1:Thank you for the above verses, and your kind and courteous words JMG1:Excellent response JMG1:Good answer but not quite the excellent and right response, so hold the ball and dont drop it now when attempting to respond to these following questions: Q2b How many recorded times in the Bible were other tongues spoke? Q2c On each of those ocassions, who are the ''them that believe not''? Q2d What did they not believe? (i.e. what were they having difficulties believing in or with etcetera) JMG1:If you respond to Q2b Q2c and Q2d adequately enough, you should without any more light be able respond Q3 JMG1:Well, yeah, minus the ''the language of the spirit'' bit, you're in a roundabout kind of way right, as ability to speak in tongues is a gift of the Spirit Q4b OK, before the ''used to edify oneself '' bit, on the X times it was recorded happening in the Bible, who was ''speaking in other tongues'' aimed at or meant for and why? JMG1:Awesome and direct hit. Excellent JMG1:No, no, no, no, no. Q5c What is ''the language of the spirit''? Who speaks ''the language of the spirit''? Give examples of biblically recorded spoken ''the language of the spirit'' Q5d If ''speak with other tongues'' means the language of the spirit, then from your response in Q5a above, are you implying the disciples who spoke in tongues used the language of the spirit? Q5e If you are in a gathering of 10 Igbo speaking only believers who dont understand Hausa but stand up to speak in Hausa language, please tell me who would you be speaking to? Is it to the 10 Igbo speaking only believers or to God you are speaking to? JMG1:No, no, no, no, no. It is not exclusively about prophesying. ''speaks in a tongue'' is primarily about communcating, of which prophesying, is one of the many offshoots JMG1:That was not a boast brother. Never pluck out a Bible text, to read it in isolation. Context is king bro. What Paul said in 1 Corinthians 14:14, was, ''if I pray in a tongue'' and that means ''on the assumption or in the event that I pray in a tongue''. (i.e. ''if I pray in a tongue'' & ''I pray in tongues'' are two different things) and later in 1 Corinthians 14:17 he further said: ''I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all...'' C'mon now, give us a break. HE DID NOT SAY: ''I pray in tongues''. If you had answered Q2b Q2c Q2d and Q3 you would have easily connected the dots and come to understand how Paul managed to ''speak in tongues more than you all;…'' Moving on, 1 Corinthians 14:14-16 can be understood with this illustration and the bottom fifth paragraph below after the illustration Illustration for 1 Corinthians 14:14-15 is, if an Igbo speaking only believer, who doesnt understand Hausa, starts to prays in a tongue, like praying in the unknown Hausa tongue or language as it were Then the Body is praying and the Spirit too is praying for same good thing the Body is praying However the mind or intellect (i.e. Soul) in the middle, doesnt understand the language or tongue the mouth (i.e. Body) is praying in, so the Soul cant transfer an outcome to the Spirit The Soul in effect is rendered unfruitful So what is the resolution then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind (i.e. Soul) also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind (i.e. Soul) also Let the Spirit have the request it needs or asks for, let the Soul be able successfully have from the Body what the Spirit In the case of the Igbo speaking only believer, sweet success or fruitfulness will happen in the Soul, only when the Igbo speaking only believer, prays in the language or tongue the mind (i.e. Soul) can interpret and process (i.e. Igbo language or tongue), for deposit into the Spirit And lastly, as for 1 Corinthians 14:16, another illustration is if an Igbo speaking only believer starts praying in Igbo tongue or language in a Hausa only speaking gathering, how will they know when to say Amen or ''so be it'' in agreement to a prayer done in an Igbo language unknown to them Also brother, it is the sense of duty and the purpose found in Colossian 3:9 which tells us not to lie to each other and also the instructive in Ephesian 4:15 which tells us to speak the truth in love, that I with the utmost due respect, say, YOU DO NOT SPEAK IN TONGUES TALKLESS CLAIM TO PRAY IN TONGUES. Wake up brother and smell the coffee! Trust me, what happened in the upper room, still happens today Speaking in another tongue or another language is a gift of the Spirit Though fading, it still happens today, but they are few and far in between Yes, they are not very many or arent happening very frequently, even we have the few occasional medically recorded FLS speaking fluently in another tongue so finally on this matter, without malice or being unkind, you are under a delusion and have allowed yourself to be lied to, if you think you speak in tongues or pray in tongues Do you know some have been known to ''pray in tongues on paper'' too? (i.e. show ''praying in tongues'' as clear texts'') ![]() Though you've done a brilliant work in your Q7 response, permit me in giving some more clarity and understanding on the matter. The above graphic is provided, as it is related to the explanation I'll be sharing about the Body Soul & Spirit that makes up Man He went on to say, "Pay attention to what you're listening to! [Knowledge] will be measured out to you by the measure [of attention] you give. This is the way knowledge increases - Mark 4:24 What is man? Man is a spirit being, residing or housed in a Body and possessing a Soul Man is made up of Body, Soul (i.e. uses the heart as an outlet) and Spirit. The Soul has the body and spirit on each opposite sides of it Mind you, the Soul is the most important existence of Man and that is why the battle is and always has been about or over the Soul All attack is ultimately targeted at the Soul The Body has 5 faculties of senses (i.e. which are, to see via the eyes, hear via the ears, feel via applicable part of the body, smell via the nose and taste via the mouth) The faculties of the Soul comprises of the Mind (i.e. conscious and sub conscious) or Intellect, Will or Freewill, and Emotions The faculties of the Spirit comprises of Fellowship, Conscience, Discernment or Intuition Now, the Soul is the first medium key component of Man created by God and Man is tickled and accessed through this Soul by way of the body and spirit The Soul, in effective, is the mediator between the body and spirit The different faculties in the Soul waits, to pick up signals coming from the relevant and/or applicable faculties in the Body and the Spirit This bit is very important, the Soul receives from the Body and deposits into the Spirit Whatever the Body reads or sees via the eyes, hears via the ears, feels via applicable part of the body, smells via the nose and talks or tastes via the mouth is picked up by the Soul and deposited into the Spirit The Spirit upon receiving things from the Soul, has to deal or process what the Soul has deposited into its laps This is why regulation is very important. It is why we ought to control and oversee what the Soul is picking up from or picking up with the senses If you have to eat the chicken or fish, this is why its necessary to know when and how to spit out the bones or if it's grain to eat, then know when and how to spit out the straws alternatively, if it's liquor to drink, and you cant hold it down so you don't throw it up, then know how or when to stay away from the liquor Now, if the Soul picks up an unknown tongue or language from the Body, it cant interpret, then the deposit into the Spirit will be unfruitful The Spirit knows what it expects from the Soul for fruition to be possible but the Soul received from the Body a tongue or language it doesnt via the Mind or Intellect understand Now just as in physical when the stomach growls, making noises for food, when nourishing is long overdue, so it is spiritually, the Spirit intercedes for us through wordless and noiseless groans for substances necessary for growth, health and good condition The Soul determines what the Spirit receives, but if like you said earlier alluded, the Soul is transferring the wrong expectations (e.g. not praying right, not asking right etctera) then the Spirit does the wordless groans (i.e. the spirit knows what should be prayed for, so it becomes restless with wordless groans, when the expectation(s) is not forthcoming or not in sight) The Spirit is like saying: Hey Mr Soul, where are the goods am expecting, please dont feed me with trash and so since the Spirit tells the Soul what it needs, the Soul has to back to the Body for the request Now, if it is one of those classic cases of the Spirit is willing BUT the Body is weak, then the Body many times will REFUSE the Soul the request of the Spirit and here we have a typical case of struggle or power tussle going on in the Soul involving the Body and the Spirit The Spirit knows what it needs the Soul giving it from the Body (i.e. the Spirit tells the Soul what to do, expecting the Soul to relay this information request to the Body) but the Body, many times, is not ready or prepared to act in accordance with the wish or command of the Spirit by giving or offering it to the Soul for the Spirit The Spirit cannot give to the Body righteous things it didnt receives from the Soul OK, here is the clarification to ward off confusion: The Soul passes on all righteous things it receives from the Body, if fruitful and meaningful when the Spirit receives it, the Spirit will then conceive the ''fruit'' and return it back to the Body via the Soul The Soul feeds the Spirit and the Soul receives from the Spirit to feed the Body that is why if your mind (i.e. Soul) doesnt understand something OR anything, it would be unable to interpret to successfully feed the Spirit or the Body Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth - 3 John 1:2 As seen in 3 John 1:2 above, the Soul (i.e. the Mind (i.e. conscious and sub conscious) or Intellect, Will or Freewill, and Emotions) tops it all JMG1:This is a feeble response, since reading the above you'll probally revise it JMG1:Can you see now why I requested that you give a demonstration, explanation and example of praying in the spirit as in 1 Corinthians 14:15 You truthfully dont undestand an iota of anything you say when you ''speak in tongue'' or ''pray in tongues''. Be honest, shame the devil and the devil be a liar That means your mind (i.e. Soul) is unfruitful when you ''speak in tongue'' or ''pray in tongues'' and if we give you the benefit of doubt, that you are speaking in a meaningful, proper and intelligble language albeit unknown to you, the why are you ignoring 1 Corinthians 14:27–28? JMG1:Again bringing back part of the above given illustration: If there is no interpreter of the Igbo language or tongue then the Igbo speaking only believer, should speak to himself and to God alone. He shouldnt speak to the Hausa only speaking gathering, in Igbo language or tongue which the Hausa gathering dont understand What is the point if he does, as they arent going to be built up with something they havent a clue what was said JMG1:The church don't teach in tongues but they pray majorly in tongues? SMH. I trust you spot the oxymoron and inconsistency in this your response My guy, we have only scratched the surface of this matter you raised because of too many fundamentals and basics amiss, too many gaping holes in the theology so food for thought: (an advice some saints will choke on no doubt) Clean up your act bro, and prevent truth decay, by brushing up your Bible The Bible is a book of division, people are still coveting things which don't belong to them, so please study to shew thyself approved unto God rightly dividing the word of truth |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by gadegunle(f): 7:00pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
Happy Sunday to everyone,this is an awesome thread.I have been greatly blessed infact since 2011 that I joined Nairaland this is the first time I am commenting. I want to say thank you to everyone who has been contributing to lift up my spirit and also shed light into deception of the kingdom darkness. Indeed we wrestle not against flesh and blood . Pls I need help comcerning my spouse who is in real demonic bondage. God ordered my steps to this thread because as I speak he is brainwashed completely ans very far from God. I have been standing in gap for some years now but the attack continued.Now he is entrangled with a strange woman too but Luke 1 :37 says for with God nothing shall be impossible. He goes to white garment church and he has been involved in all sorts of blood sacrifices then when they got to know I was standing in gap they scattered my marriage and gave him a wife in the white garment too. Alot has been happening but since I started going through this thread God has revealed how deep they have gone with him. I dnt want to go into full details here .My email is gadegunle@gmail.com Please I will appreciate counsel |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by Nobody: 9:26pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
gadegunle: Welcome brethren. Kindly, Sir CharlyG1, Analice107, oyeludef, superior1, nnamdiosu, Goodmuyis, son of thunder.... Please everyone, a brethren needs some counselling! Vooks... |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by MuttleyLaff: 9:38pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
dazzle101:... it is well. Ask or get vooks to PM me |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by Nobody: 10:00pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by Nobody: 10:00pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by analice107: 10:28pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
dazzle101:OK sis. We will get involved. God bless you. |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by gadegunle(f): 12:00am On Apr 11, 2016 |
Thanks to everyone, I really appreciate you all.More Grace In Jesus Mighty name. |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by oyeludef(m): 4:49am On Apr 11, 2016 |
I owe dis thread an apology expecially those who av mentiond my muniker at one time or d other. Its unlike me to gloss over my mention but dis days, d mundane things of dis world has become very demanding nd am almost on transit all day so wen open nairaland, i will av been very exhausted coupled wit phcn nd petroleum scarcity. D one thing dat gives me joy is doing d things of d kingdom nd i know God will work things out. Please lets pray for our nation cc: jmg1,charles,analice,vooks,dazzle,tjayjosh,nnamdi,temi4fash,goodmuyis,sonofthunder et al. 1 Like |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by oyeludef(m): 5:04am On Apr 11, 2016 |
gadegunle:welcome to dis thread. Instead of just emailing wch is private, it will b nice d discussions b had here on dis thread so dat in several years time, ppl could still benefit from dis discussion. U may not need to go into too many detail so as to retain ur anonymity. Wen u r dealing wit white garment, u r dealing wit pure undiluted witchcraft. Ur battleground should b on ur kneel in private. Break d stronghold of witchcraft on ur spouse. Do so wit fasting nd prayers lets say 3 days nd something spectacular must happen thereafter. 1 Like |
Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by gadegunle(f): 8:27am On Apr 11, 2016 |
Good morning to everyone, Thanks Oyeluf. White garment is real witch craft and this particular he goes to I learnt the owner is in Ogboni.His elder brother takes hin there to as to destroy his glory. God revealed to me his glory has been transferred to the brother already. He has been brainwashed to see me as his enemy. I have been fighting on my knees for two years now but as soon as the jinx breaks they do another one. You know the battle of blood is a real one and the inside enemy has been fueling everything together with the strange woman and the group of evil prophets. I know God will disgrace them very soon,I feel he used this battle to train me too to become a vessel for him. I fast once a week on his behalf and I pray with scriptures with his name because I am a nursing mother. Right now I pray for God to convict him and seperate him from unfriendly friends. Thanks for your counsel God bless you 2 Likes |
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