There is never a convenient time for any of us to die. How can I make my theist brothers who 'think' they are in intimate relationship with a creator to realize that death defeats these existence of a 'known' creator.

Death implies imperfection, inconsistencies, disorderliness of everything seemingly orderly.


Order is just a perception. Man could have had four eyes (two front, two back. or six: Two front, two back, two sideways.) We rally have no means to determine perfection. Therefore, we really cannot explain our existence.

Bible explanation of death is completely faulty. Hence cannot be an authority. With our natural brains, a better reason on why we die is required..


To me, death can only imply nothing but, imperfection and disorderliness.

A creator can never have a rival? The existence of devil can therefore never be possible.

There is no such thing as death, but there is a transition called death. while soul exist outside the time-space paradox, it must go through the cycle of birth and re-birth to experience earth life, humans are universe experiencing existence in earthly body.

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BiafranNigerian:
There is no such thing as death, but there is a transition called death. while soul exist outside the time-space paradox, it must go through the cycle of birth and re-birth to experience earth life, humans are universe experiencing existence in earthly body.

And u know this?
lemme guess, u've died before

its amazing how the mind works, lols

BiafranNigerian:
There is no such thing as death, but there is a transition called death. while soul exist outside the time-space paradox, it must go through the cycle of birth and re-birth to experience earth life, humans are universe experiencing existence in earthly body.

we are the universe, we worship what we don't know,the universe might be littered with trillions of "gods" who knows.Am not an an atheist,because i believe someone created me.No one knows the real god of the earth,yes. Too many gods out there!!! But you must be spiritual and believe in something,i chose to believe the god of the bible, and it works for me.I believe in afterlife.Human death is irrelevant.

edogho:

And u know this?
lemme guess, u've died before

its amazing how the mind works, lols

life is intriguing, think deeply and you'll come to the conclusion that reincarnation exist. Once in a while,think outside the box.

frank317:
There is never a convenient time for any of us to die. How can I make my theist brothers who 'think' they are in intimate relationship with a creator to realize that death defeats these existence of a 'known' creator.

Death implies imperfection, inconsistencies, disorderliness of everything seemingly orderly.


Order is just a perception. Man could have had four eyes (two front, two back. or six: Two front, two back, two sideways.) We rally have no means to determine perfection. Therefore, we really cannot explain our existence.

Bible explanation of death is completely faulty. Hence cannot be an authority. With our natural brains, a better reason on why we die is required..


To me, death can only imply nothing but, imperfection and disorderliness.

A creator can never have a rival? The existence of devil can therefore never be possible.

if you've experienced near death experience(NDE) you'll be forced to believe we do not belong in this plane. This human existence is fake, we came to believe in God because of our state of existence whereas we are GODS. I find that as long as the mind is in a state of fear, it wants to escape from it, and it projects the idea of the Supreme, and wants to experience that. But if it frees itself from its own agony then it is altogether in a different state. It doesn’t even ask for the experience because it is at a different level.

HIbreed:
life is intriguing, think deeply and you'll come to the conclusion that reincarnation exist. Once in a while,think outside the box.

Outside which box?

I already did my homework bro

HIbreed:
we are the universe, we worship what we don't know,the universe might be littered with trillions of "gods" who knows.Am not an an atheist,because i believe someone created me.No one knows the real god of the earth,yes. Too many gods out there!!! But you must be spiritual and believe in something,i chose to believe the god of the bible, and it works for me.I believe in afterlife.Human death is irrelevant.

The universe has many Gods even as the Universe is God too, everything is God. Even the Bible God is also God, so are you, cos you are part of the whole. To know God you need to know all, and believe all. Religion echoes belief, science echoes knowledge, the truth is, death is a transition from 3D physical, to etheric physical and so on and so forth, but we chose to call what we cant see, spiritual, we are right, because spiritual is a finer dimension of the physical and one has to really tune his/her frequencies to receive signal and BE in that dimension.

Immorttal:
if you've experienced near death experience(NDE) you'll be forced to believe we do not belong in this plane. This human existence is fake, we came to believe in God because of our state of existence whereas we are GODS. I find that as long as the mind is in a state of fear, it wants to escape from it, and it projects the idea of the Supreme, and wants to experience that. But if it frees itself from its own agony then it is altogether in a different state. It doesn’t even ask for the experience because it is at a different level.

True True.

..Humanity is so vulnerable that we leave that which is in front of us to chase after that which we do not have or know but a figment of our imaginations, thoughts and wishes.

the above quote of mine holds true for our perception of death.

Haven't you noticed how the word "Death" gives rise to different philosophies of hopeful realities to many.

-On one hand some speculate we do not really die but transcends and then gets reborn and live again and so it goes in a circle.

-Another suggests we do not get reborn but some thinking formless needless part of us continues somewhere else.

-Plato suggests the body is a prison for the soul.

Where as all these philosophies are profound and hopeful, i also call it greed, selfishness and a product of an unmatched ego wielded only by the human mind.

Humans have that egoistic tendency of deluding themselves to be the most important part of the universe..

That is why in this deluding ego they see themselves as deserving to live again but not every other animal or living thing in this earth that also live as they live and feel as they do.


-Just how important are we in this universe?

More important than the stars? Without the stars we won't be here but without us they were, are and will be.

More important than the plants ? without them we won't be here but without us they were, are and will be.

So how exactly are we more important, why do we prize ourselves the most important part of the cosmos when we are so deplorable and expandable that the cosmos won't even notice our disappearance.

So many stories have littered the course of human philosophy on the eventuality of death.

So many wishful hopeful fantasies has been conceived to give hope and comfort to the human mind when faced with the inevitability of death.

-We shall see again in paradise
-we shall be reborn again
-we shall make merry in Valhalla

amongst thousands of such tales.. I do not know how enticing these stories are but i know the greed of a human mind makes them comforting as nobody would like to imagine the absoluteness of the end of our being.

That to me comes from a short memory cus just a little journey backwards whene we were not here, imagining inexistence won't be far fetched.

We have been dead for an infinite time backwards, now we are here and we will soon be dead how then can we not imagine our the state we were before coming to this?.

I really understand the reasons why all these stories crop up in the human mind, why all these philosophies and emotional clutch to a comforting tale defines a huge part of our belief

It is because of the vulnerability of our being.

Being that almost certainly we are probably the only species amongst all in this planet that know at a very young age that we would die one day.

This knowledge of our inevitable end is somewhat like a burden to us .

I doubt that other species Chimpanzee, dogs , elephants even though alive as we are are fretting over an afterlife or performing rituals to earn a place in paradise or somewhere else outside the cosmos.

No they just live in the moment.

With all these stories filling the gap left by fear, vulnerability of our mind, we yet have no evidence to support these fantasies.

I do not claim to have knowledge of what happens in death but if anybody, person or book claims to know, they are both lying and fraudulent.

Because they do not know.

We are so concerned by what we want to be, by what we wish for that we forget and pay little mind to what we have which is NOW

So isn't it better and more noble we forget all these stories and focus on what we have and where we are which is Now and Here

Here and Now are the most important, certain aspect of it all, make them count and don't waste them chasing after a vague shadow of an uncertain wishful fantasy.

BiafranNigerian:


The universe has many Gods even as the Universe is God too, everything is God. Even the Bible God is also God, so are you, cos you are part of the whole. To know God you need to know all, and believe all. Religion echoes belief, science echoes knowledge, the truth is, death is a transition from 3D physical, to etheric physical and so on and so forth, but we chose to call what we cant see, spiritual, we are right, because spiritual is a finer dimension of the physical and one has to really tune his/her frequencies to receive signal and BE in that dimension.

SCIENCE SCIENCE has relieved us, i love science,imagined being drowned in the fallacy called God and religion.Imagine believing i would go to heaven to meet God when i die. Billions of galaxies out there with billions of stars in it, which way is this heaven.SMH.

johnydon22:
..Humanity is so vulnerable that we leave that which is in front of us to chase after that which we do not have or know but a figment of our imaginations, thoughts and wishes.

the above quote of mine holds true for our perception of death.

Haven't you noticed how the word "Death" gives rise to different philosophies of hopeful realities to many.

-On one hand some speculate we do not really die but transcends and then gets reborn and live again and so it goes in a circle.

-Another suggests we do not get reborn but some thinking formless needless part of us continues somewhere else.

-Plato suggests the body is a prison for the soul.

Where as all these philosophies are profound and hopeful, i also call it greed, selfishness and a product of an unmatched ego wielded only by the human mind.

Humans have that egoistic tendency of deluding themselves to be the most important part of the universe..

That is why in this deluding ego they see themselves as deserving to live again but not every other animal or living thing in this earth that also live as they live and feel as they do.


-Just how important are we in this universe?

More important than the stars? Without the stars we won't be here but without us they were, are and will be.

More important than the plants ? without them we won't be here but without us they were, are and will be.

So how exactly are we more important, why do we prize ourselves the most important part of the cosmos when we are so deplorable and expandable that the cosmos won't even notice our disappearance.

So many stories have littered the course of human philosophy on the eventuality of death.

So many wishful hopeful fantasies has been conceived to give hope and comfort to the human mind when faced with the inevitability of death.

-We shall see again in paradise
-we shall be reborn again
-we shall make merry in Valhalla

amongst thousands of such tales.. I do not know how enticing these stories are but i know the greed of a human mind makes them comforting as nobody would like to imagine the absoluteness of the end of our being.

That to me comes from a short memory cus just a little journey backwards whene we were not here, imagining inexistence won't be far fetched.

We have been dead for an infinite time backwards, now we are here and we will soon be dead how then can we not imagine our the state we were before coming to this?.

I really understand the reasons why all these stories crop up in the human mind, why all these philosophies and emotional clutch to a comforting tale defines a huge part of our belief

It is because of the vulnerability of our being.

Being that almost certainly we are probably the only species amongst all in this planet that know at a very young age that we would die one day.

This knowledge of our inevitable end is somewhat like a burden to us .

I doubt that other species Chimpanzee, dogs , elephants even though alive as we are are fretting over an afterlife or performing rituals to earn a place in paradise or somewhere else outside the cosmos.

No they just live in the moment.

With all these stories filling the gap left by fear, vulnerability of our mind, we yet have no evidence to support these fantasies.

I do not claim to have knowledge of what happens in death but if anybody, person or book claims to know, they are both lying and fraudulent.

Because they do not know.

We are so concerned by what we want to be, by what we wish for that we forget and pay little mind to what we have which is NOW

So isn't it better and more noble we forget all these stories and focus on what we have and where we are which is Now and Here

Here and Now are the most important, certain aspect of it all, make them count and don't waste them chasing after a vague shadow of an uncertain wishful fantasy.

""Humans have that egoistic tendency of deluding themselves to be the most important part of the universe..

That is why in this deluding ego they see themselves as deserving to live again but not every other animal or living thing in this earth that also live as they live and feel as they do." lol at the bolded. It didn't occur to them that animals are also spirits as we are,in other words EQUAL SPIRITS.

BiafranNigerian:
There is no such thing as death, but there is a transition called death. while soul exist outside the time-space paradox, it must go through the cycle of birth and re-birth to experience earth life, humans are universe experiencing existence in earthly body.

And how did u know this? Have u died before?

johnydon22:
..Humanity is so vulnerable that we leave that which is in front of us to chase after that which we do not have or know but a figment of our imaginations, thoughts and wishes.

the above quote of mine holds true for our perception of death.

Haven't you noticed how the word "Death" gives rise to different philosophies of hopeful realities to many.

-On one hand some speculate we do not really die but transcends and then gets reborn and live again and so it goes in a circle.

-Another suggests we do not get reborn but some thinking formless needless part of us continues somewhere else.

-Plato suggests the body is a prison for the soul.

Where as all these philosophies are profound and hopeful, i also call it greed, selfishness and a product of an unmatched ego wielded only by the human mind.

Humans have that egoistic tendency of deluding themselves to be the most important part of the universe..

That is why in this deluding ego they see themselves as deserving to live again but not every other animal or living thing in this earth that also live as they live and feel as they do.


-Just how important are we in this universe?

More important than the stars? Without the stars we won't be here but without us they were, are and will be.

More important than the plants ? without them we won't be here but without us they were, are and will be.

So how exactly are we more important, why do we prize ourselves the most important part of the cosmos when we are so deplorable and expandable that the cosmos won't even notice our disappearance.

So many stories have littered the course of human philosophy on the eventuality of death.

So many wishful hopeful fantasies has been conceived to give hope and comfort to the human mind when faced with the inevitability of death.

-We shall see again in paradise
-we shall be reborn again
-we shall make merry in Valhalla

amongst thousands of such tales.. I do not know how enticing these stories are but i know the greed of a human mind makes them comforting as nobody would like to imagine the absoluteness of the end of our being.

That to me comes from a short memory cus just a little journey backwards whene we were not here, imagining inexistence won't be far fetched.

We have been dead for an infinite time backwards, now we are here and we will soon be dead how then can we not imagine our the state we were before coming to this?.

I really understand the reasons why all these stories crop up in the human mind, why all these philosophies and emotional clutch to a comforting tale defines a huge part of our belief

It is because of the vulnerability of our being.

Being that almost certainly we are probably the only species amongst all in this planet that know at a very young age that we would die one day.

This knowledge of our inevitable end is somewhat like a burden to us .

I doubt that other species Chimpanzee, dogs , elephants even though alive as we are are fretting over an afterlife or performing rituals to earn a place in paradise or somewhere else outside the cosmos.

No they just live in the moment.

With all these stories filling the gap left by fear, vulnerability of our mind, we yet have no evidence to support these fantasies.

I do not claim to have knowledge of what happens in death but if anybody, person or book claims to know, they are both lying and fraudulent.

Because they do not know.

We are so concerned by what we want to be, by what we wish for that we forget and pay little mind to what we have which is NOW

So isn't it better and more noble we forget all these stories and focus on what we have and where we are which is Now and Here

Here and Now are the most important, certain aspect of it all, make them count and don't waste them chasing after a vague shadow of an uncertain wishful fantasy.

Now that's exactly my type of thinking.

Immorttal:
""Humans have that egoistic tendency of deluding themselves to be the most important part of the universe..

That is why in this deluding ego they see themselves as deserving to live again but not every other animal or living thing in this earth that also live as they live and feel as they do." lol at the bolded. It didn't occur to them that animals are also spirits as we are,in other words EQUAL SPIRITS.

Hmmm, perhaps. I think u may be right.

BiafranNigerian:
humans are universe experiencing existence in earthly body. the universe

Humans are not the totality of the universe, but just another tiny part of the universe, another child of nature and part of the whole that defines everything (Universe)

johnydon22:


Humans are not the totality of the universe, but just another tiny part of the universe, another child of nature and part of the whole that defines everything (Universe)

says who?

BiafranNigerian:
says who?

Nobody need say it, you only need to look at everything.. The cosmos..

we are part of the universe

johnydon22:


Nobody need say it, you only need to look at everything.. The cosmos..

we are part of the universe

you are right bro.A minuscle part of the universe we are.I also believe there exist billions of other realms in which beings exists like spirits,physical realms,ufos.Etc maybe reason why we have failed in discovering life in space,who knws.Wisdom can never be totally apprehended.Am a free thinker.

Immorttal:
you are right bro.A minuscle part of the universe we are.I also believe there exist billions of other realms in which beings exists like spirits,physical realms,ufos.Etc maybe reason why we have failed in discovering life in space,who knws.Wisdom can never be totally apprehended.Am a free thinker.

We should keep an open mind, we may yet discover things that are breath taking.

I do not doubt the possibility of anything, i only doubt a claim when it is unsupported by proof but require blind belief.

So to me anything is possible.

Like i told someone sometime ago, nothing is impossible.

You can come to me and say you can walk through walls, that is fine but then it requires you walk through walls before i believe you.

Because 2000 years ago if you tell anyone there is a tiny box that he can speak into and someone from the other end of the world will hear him almost instantaneously, he would have doubted you.

but today we do have them Cell phones

So i do not say something is impossible i only recognize that we are not yet there but if one claims it then there is need for empirical substantiation or it is a nonsensical claim and bogus.

So for spirit realms, U.F.Os and things, scientifically we require proof for such claims!!!

@ op and johnydon22.

-What do you mean by live in the now? Do you mean live like a chimp? A mosquito? If death is the end, then how is life worth living? How do you break away from meaninglessness as an atheist?



-Why do you think the human mind is selfish and greedy when it recognizes and wishes for immortality? How is it greedy to live forever?

BiafranNigerian:
says who?

Isn't it obvious?

Joshthefirst:
@ op and johnydon22.

-What do you mean by live in the now? Do you mean live like a chimp? A mosquito? If death is the end, then how is life worth living? How do you break away from meaninglessness as an atheist?

Meaninglessness? ..lol.. when will you lot understand that "meaning" is a child of the human mind.

A star is the bedrock of the existence of organism, is your existence more meaningful than that of a star? water? plants?

there is no special attachment to what nature does, the same fate holds true for the totality of natural values.

Nothing is more special than the other that idea or special attachment is subjective to distinct observers.

-Maybe because a plate of Rice and fried chicken finishes, it is not worth eating at all..

The worth of that plate of rice is not in it's ability not to finish but the fact that you got to eat it in the first place and it's limit makes it all the more valuable.

So too "life" on earth is not defined by it's limits. .

That you will die means you got to live, many will never die cus they never lived..

The assumption of an eternal life is actually the idea that makes this life meaningless.

An unending life makes 100years look like nothing, how would one value 1naira when he thinks there is $100,000,000 waiting for him in an account.

so too can one not value the 100, 80 or less years of human existence in contrast to 10000000000000000....years of a fantasy afterlife.

So the "meaning" of life lies within the limits of life and that "meaning" is rubbished by the concept of another unending life waiting somewhere else.

In this case, the one who holds a belief of an eternal unending infinite life, is the one that makes this life to be meaningless..

-Why do you think the human mind is selfish and greedy when it recognizes and wishes for immortality? How is it greedy to live forever?

Very greedy and selfish that you are not done with what you have already wishing and clamoring for an unlimited one.

You are only sure of this life, and you have it without even asking for it. Clamoring for another (unlimited) is not only selfish but an outstanding greed wowed by the fact that you are not even done yet with the one you have.

There are organisms that spend only 9 hours alive but yet in your ego you prize yourself as deserving another life ..

johnydon22:


Meaninglessness? ..lol.. when will you lot understand that "meaning" is a child of the human mind.

Nothing is more special than the other that idea or special attachment is subjective to distinct observers.

-Maybe because a plate of Rice and fried chicken finishes, it is not worth eating at all..

The worth of that plate of rice is not in it's ability not to finish but the fact that you got to eat it in the first place and it's limit makes it all the more valuable.

So too "life" on earth is not defined by it's limits. .

That you will die means you got to live, many will never die cus they never lived..

Does this mean nothing has any meaning? Including life? If this is true what is the point of life and society and existence?

Why are you an athlete and I a student doctor and frank a writer? What is the point of science and education and human advancement? When it all ends in futility? What is the point of love and hope for the future when we will all die in the end? Better to indulge in meaningless self gratification then? And commit suicide when meaningless life tires us.

The assumption of an eternal life is actually the idea that makes this life meaningless.

An unending life makes 100years look like nothing, how would one value 1naira when he thinks there is $100,000,000 waiting for him in an account.

so too can one not value the 100, 80 or less years of human existence in contrast to 10000000000000000....years of a fantasy afterlife.

So the "meaning" of life lies within the limits of life and that "meaning" is rubbished by the concept of another unending life waiting somewhere else.

In this case, the one who holds a belief of an eternal unending infinite life, is the one that makes this life to be meaningless..

Very incorrect and even unfortunate.


The knowledge and power of an afterlife is what makes this worth living well

Consciousness of immortality in a next life gives the present life meaning.
I know that my present love for music and my art and my love for people and even science and God is not futile, because of the promise of everlasting life where I will be rewarded for standing up to various challenges of this life, where mankind will be free to dominate creation forever.

Immortality doesn't make life futile, its promise makes life richer, gives life meaning, promises a reward for sacrifice, promises justice.

Very greedy and selfish that you are not done with what you have already wishing and clamoring for an unlimited one.

There are organisms that spend only 9 hours alive but yet in your ego you prize yourself as deserving another life ..

No. Very logical and promising that I know my labour in this life will not be in vain, and will be rewarded in the new one. Very hopeful and good that the suffering of this life will be eradicated in the next one. Very good that the injustice in this life will be dealt with in the next.

I am not merely an organism. I say I'm a being. I have a greater consciousness than a mosquito or a goat. I have 'mind'. That changes everything.


It is disconcerting that you would call one who seeks a greater and more blissful life of eternal fulfillment selfish and greedy.


What about you? What is the point of your life? How are you different from a mosquito or a fly? What makes you continue on in an accidental troublesome existence? I daresay hope is your answer, but tell me.

Joshthefirst:

Does this mean nothing has any meaning? Including life? If this is true what is the point of life and society and existence?

As i said earlier, "meaning" is a child of "human mind" there is no direction or goal to natural manifestations.

So the point of "life" or "existence" how ever you put always will be a child of human mind, a human idea.

Your permission was not asked for before things became as there are, so obviously your idea of point, meaning is barely as relevant as you are in the cosmos.

Society is a collection of human interactions so it's meaning and point rest sorely in the definition of humans.

Why are you an athlete and I a student doctor and frank a writer? What is the point of science and education and human advancement? When it all ends in futility? What is the point of love and hope for the future when we will all die in the end? Better to indulge in meaningless self gratification then? And commit suicide when meaningless life tires us.

I gave a good example with a plate of food, that a plate of food will eventually finish does not limit it's worth or value (which also are human ideas).

following this line of thought you probably should not eat that food at all since it eventually finishes.

the worth is not in the limit as a matter of fact limit ensures value (Gold is held higher than iron because it is of more limited deposition than iron)

So your mention of human discipline and asking for their point, their point lies within the "human society where in they are necessary"

the point in our varying professions as defined by human society is in the NOW of our existence not later.

the point of me being an athlete is in this Now if it was unneeded in the human society you wouldn't bother be one.

so the point of it is not in the assumptions of another life but in the eventuality of the one you have and where you are.

One who recognizes the limit of life and it's rare chance to me is the one that will value life more.

Only one who thinks and wishes for something greater will dispose the smaller, a typical example is the Extremist suicide bombers or Staunch religious adherents who would rather die than relinquish their beliefs all the while expecting a better place and reward.

That shows that belief in a better life than this actually is the idea can diminishes the meaning of life to the human mind (since meaning is a human idea)

Very incorrect and even unfortunate.

The knowledge and power of an afterlife is what makes this worth living well

Consciousness of immortality in a next life gives the present life meaning.
I know that my present love for music and my art and my love for people and even science and God is not futile, because of the promise of everlasting life where I will be rewarded for standing up to various challenges of this life, where mankind will be free to dominate creation forever.

Immortality doesn't make life futile, its promise makes life richer, gives life meaning, promises a reward for sacrifice, promises justice.

I was hoping that i be shown how it was incorrect but i only get an emotional outpour.

Go through it again

The assumption of an eternal life is actually the idea that makes this life
meaningless.

An unending life makes 100years look like nothing, how would one value
1naira when he thinks there is $100,000,000 waiting for him in an account.
so too can one not value the 100, 80 or less years of human existence in
contrast to 10000000000000000....years of a fantasy afterlife.

So the "meaning" of life lies within the limits of life and that "meaning" is
rubbished by the concept of another unending life waiting somewhere else.

it so degrades the worth of the present life to a human mind that they willingly throw this life away in a chase and hope of getting another.

This has been shown to be a dangerous fantasy in the examples of extremists who would throw this one chance at life away in a wishful hope of getting a better eternal one in paradise.

Only someone who holds such belief will find his life and existence so deplorable that is can be ended without a second thought because a glorious everlasting paradise awaits.

As it has been show nobody who think they have $1000000000 will ever value they #1 they actually have..

the sparks and glories of the paradise dwarfs that of the present world that people see this as doomed, marked for end, meaningless and wasteful.

such belief makes people view this life as meaningless and deplorable

No. Very logical and promising that I know my labour in this life will not be in vain, and will be rewarded in the new one. Very hopeful and good that the suffering of this life will be eradicated in the next one. Very good that the injustice in this life will be dealt with in the next.

Your labours in this life is for this life, if there are no "Money" in human societal dealings you wouldn't labour for one.

if there was no need for food you wouldn't labour for food, your labours in life are as a result of the needs of this life.

it is an abject greed to hope for double reward for the effects of actions carried out for your own needs.

I am not merely an organism. I say I'm a being. I have a greater consciousness than a mosquito or a goat. I have 'mind'. That changes everything.

One truth stands out that no matter how much you try to twist a simply fact and believe that twist, it never ceases to be Fact.

You are an organism, a manifestation of biological interactions, you have no greater consciousness but rather greater Intellect as judged by human criteria.

a bird has the ability to build a nest so precisely, it requires a calculative mind, intellect and a good knowledge of geometry.

Every specie with the utilization of a nervous system has a "mind" only differs in their level of application as defined by need and Mechanisations.

So "Mind" changes nothing since all can boast of one.

Your emotions are no different from what every other specie out there feels.

It is disconcerting that you would call one who seeks a greater and more blissful life of eternal fulfillment selfish and greedy.

Very greedy and selfish that you are not done with what you have already
wishing and clamoring for an unlimited one.

What about you? What is the point of your life? How are you different from a mosquito or a fly? What makes you continue on in an accidental troublesome existence? I daresay hope is your answer, but tell me.

Here "Point" as i have mentioned before is firmly rooted as a product of human mind.. so my point of life always will be of my own idea and will not hold sway for every other specie out there.

None ever asked to be born neither will any ever be asked to be

My point of life as i have found myself in a human society is to blend as part of the society i have found myself in.

Partake in everything life provides, savor the joy, pain, tears, needs, adventure and social bond, family, friendship..

the point is as i have found myself in a life i didn't ask for, i'd ensure i am happy with in while it lasts

This truth holds sway for me as a child of my own idea and a point birthed from my own perception

A mosquito exist just as i do, so too does a tree saying which is more important will be on whose ground ?

Mine?

I am sure a mosquito will also show otherwise, it prizes it's own life more than yours that is why it doesn't mind hosting on you for survival even if it means you will die.

-Oh what makes me continue with this existence? its very simply, i didn't ask for it, i found myself in it and i found it very intriguing and interesting and i'd love to see it as much i can..

Family, social bonds, sex, study, food, science, social interactions, adventures, craze, truth, awe of things that are to be known and seen millions of reasons why i love to stay alive, lots of things that i have through the connections of their dots derived a meaning to my own life.
.................................

so now my own questions

-Since there is a better place waiting for you infinite times greater and better than here, what exactly are you still doing here? why not go there immediately without delay?

- why waste your time over earthly wants since they end in earth and you transcend to a realm of needlessness and satisfaction.

-Is your own existence different from others and in what way is it judged and by whose standards?

-is your existence more meaningful than that of a star? a planet or asteroid out there or some small green plant in your backyard?

How?

-To what extent would life on earth or the universe have lasted before it becomes meaningful?

I keep asking where were we 1000yrs ago and instead of giving me a realistic answer. All I get is an illogical prattle...sighsss.

Joshthefirst:

No. Very logical and promising that I know my labour in this life will not be in vain, and will be rewarded in the new one. Very hopeful and good that the suffering of this life will be eradicated in the next one. Very good that the injustice in this life will be dealt with in the next.

The Bible taught you that right? Can you put your sense of discernment at work in place of passionate reliance in a book.

johnydon22:


As i said earlier, "meaning" is a child of "human mind" there is no direction or goal to natural manifestations.

So the point of "life" or "existence" how ever you put always will be a child of human mind, a human idea.

Your permission was not asked for before things became as there are, so obviously your idea of point, meaning is barely as relevant as you are in the cosmos.

Society is a collection of human interactions so it's meaning and point rest sorely in the definition of humans.




I gave a good example with a plate of food, that a plate of food will eventually finish does not limit it's worth or value (which also are human ideas).

following this line of thought you probably should not eat that food at all since it eventually finishes.

the worth is not in the limit as a matter of fact limit ensures value (Gold is held higher than iron because it is of more limited deposition than iron)

So your mention of human discipline and asking for their point, their point lies within the "human society where in they are necessary"

the point in our varying professions as defined by human society is in the NOW of our existence not later.

the point of me being an athlete is in this Now if it was unneeded in the human society you wouldn't bother be one.

so the point of it is not in the assumptions of another life but in the eventuality of the one you have and where you are.

One who recognizes the limit of life and it's rare chance to me is the one that will value life more.

Only one who thinks and wishes for something greater will dispose the smaller, a typical example is the Extremist suicide bombers or Staunch religious adherents who would rather die than relinquish their beliefs all the while expecting a better place and reward.

That shows that belief in a better life than this actually is the idea can diminishes the meaning of life to the human mind (since meaning is a human idea)




I was hoping that i be shown how it was incorrect but i only get an emotional outpour.

Go through it again

The assumption of an eternal life is actually the idea that makes this life
meaningless.

An unending life makes 100years look like nothing, how would one value
1naira when he thinks there is $100,000,000 waiting for him in an account.
so too can one not value the 100, 80 or less years of human existence in
contrast to 10000000000000000....years of a fantasy afterlife.

So the "meaning" of life lies within the limits of life and that "meaning" is
rubbished by the concept of another unending life waiting somewhere else.

it so degrades the worth of the present life to a human mind that they willingly throw this life away in a chase and hope of getting another.

This has been shown to be a dangerous fantasy in the examples of extremists who would throw this one chance at life away in a wishful hope of getting a better eternal one in paradise.

Only someone who holds such belief will find his life and existence so deplorable that is can be ended without a second thought because a glorious everlasting paradise awaits.

As it has been show nobody who think they have $1000000000 will ever value they #1 they actually have..

the sparks and glories of the paradise dwarfs that of the present world that people see this as doomed, marked for end, meaningless and wasteful.

such belief makes people view this life as meaningless and deplorable




Your labours in this life is for this life, if there are no "Money" in human societal dealings you wouldn't labour for one.

if there was no need for food you wouldn't labour for food, your labours in life are as a result of the needs of this life.

it is an abject greed to hope for double reward for the effects of actions carried out for your own needs.



One truth stands out that no matter how much you try to twist a simply fact and believe that twist, it never ceases to be Fact.

You are an organism, a manifestation of biological interactions, you have no greater consciousness but rather greater Intellect as judged by human criteria.

a bird has the ability to build a nest so precisely, it requires a calculative mind, intellect and a good knowledge of geometry.

Every specie with the utilization of a nervous system has a "mind" only differs in their level of application as defined by need and Mechanisations.

So "Mind" changes nothing since all can boast of one.

Your emotions are no different from what every other specie out there feels.



Very greedy and selfish that you are not done with what you have already
wishing and clamoring for an unlimited one.



Here "Point" as i have mentioned before is firmly rooted as a product of human mind.. so my point of life always will be of my own idea and will not hold sway for every other specie out there.

None ever asked to be born neither will any ever be asked to be

My point of life as i have found myself in a human society is to blend as part of the society i have found myself in.

Partake in everything life provides, savor the joy, pain, tears, needs, adventure and social bond, family, friendship..

the point is as i have found myself in a life i didn't ask for, i'd ensure i am happy with in while it lasts

This truth holds sway for me as a child of my own idea and a point birthed from my own perception

A mosquito exist just as i do, so too does a tree saying which is more important will be on whose ground ?

Mine?

I am sure a mosquito will also show otherwise, it prizes it's own life more than yours that is why it doesn't mind hosting on you for survival even if it means you will die.

-Oh what makes me continue with this existence? its very simply, i didn't ask for it, i found myself in it and i found it very intriguing and interesting and i'd love to see it as much i can..

Family, social bonds, sex, study, food, science, social interactions, adventures, craze, truth, awe of things that are to be known and seen millions of reasons why i love to stay alive, lots of things that i have through the connections of their dots derived a meaning to my own life.
.................................

so now my own questions

-Since there is a better place waiting for you infinite times greater and better than here, what exactly are you still doing here? why not go there immediately without delay?

- why waste your time over earthly wants since they end in earth and you transcend to a realm of needlessness and satisfaction.

-Is your own existence different from others and in what way is it judged and by whose standards?

-is your existence more meaningful than that of a star? a planet or asteroid out there or some small green plant in your backyard?

How?

-To what extent would life on earth or the universe have lasted before it becomes meaningful?

Thanks Johnny for apt and precised replies to Joe. Life is only interesting and sweet because death exist. Joy is only a sweet experience becasue of pain.
If Joe was honest, he would have thought through his questions before throwing them out.
Everything, Christians pray for a better life here, they want to drive big cars, live in big mansions, eat good food. Infact, the reason why they are religious and would pay their tithe is becasue they expect a better life from their God.
Yet these are people who believe in a far far far more better after life. So why is this life so important to them when they just 'passing' through? Why pray against death when it's even a transition to a better place?
To answer Joe's question I might say I don't want to dies becasue this is the only life I have got and I want to live so as to have the opportunity to enjoy it more.
Therefore, I love, struggle, write and do everything I do just becasue they contribut in making my short life sweeter.

frank317:


Thanks Johnny for apt and precised replies to Joe. Life is only interesting and sweet because death exist. Joy is only a sweet experience becasue of pain.
If Joe was honest, he would have thought through his questions before throwing them out.
Everything, Christians pray for a better life here, they want to drive big cars, live in big mansions, eat good food. Infact, the reason why they are religious and would pay their tithe is becasue they expect a better life from their God.
Yet these are people who believe in a far far far more better after life. So why is this life so important to them when they just 'passing' through? Why pray against death when it's even a transition to a better place?
To answer Joe's question I might say I don't want to dies becasue this is the only life I have got and I want to live so as to have the opportunity to enjoy it more.
Therefore, I love, struggle, write and do everything I do just becasue they contribut in making my short life sweeter.

I completely see no reason why one should waste his time struggling to get a car in this world that is abjectly meaningless compared to the eternal paradise of needless bliss.

why would you waste your time clamoring to acquire a house?

why even study medicine?

Are you going to practise medicine in the afterlife? or live in the house you bought in the afterlife? or drive that car?

So since he thinks without afterlife this life is meaningless, why bother do all these things since you still won't practise, drive them in the afterlife therefore they are useless and unneeded.

it is evidently clear that the meaning in these things is in the Now and Here

I once told a Christian pastor who was telling me how all riches were vanity that people would still die.

i said

"Poverty also is vanity since you would also die, so since we are not dead yet i'd like to be rich and enjoy it while it lasts "

The meaning of life is in the HERE and NOW..

the point in a car is not that it lasts forever, it doesn't. the point in it is that you got to use it at all for that brief time of it's activeness.

the point in loading a card is not that it is limitless, that is nonsensical. the point in it is that you got to use it at all.

It is infantile that people cannot derive meaning in their life except it is roped around a vague shadowy concept of paradise and reward.

that to me is a bleak and sad existence in essence.

there is every point and meaning to life as given by the human mind (we are the point givers, nature in totality does not plan, care or schedule it's dealings or have a point, it just happens)

it is sad that some humans have chose to rubbish, waste their Now and Here over a greedy chase of a vague unsure second unlimited life.

Mosquitoes live for 9days, fowls not more than 10 years, dogs not more than 20 etc.

but in their delusive ego and insecurity, only humans deserve a second life and what makes it even absurd is the selfish need for an Unlimited one.

Paradox of infinity, if there is an infinite number of something there is bound to be an infinite number of repetitions in the infinite loop..if there is an infinite life, it will be an existence of infinite repetitions

that is the most boring bleak and meaningless way to exist if you ask me. ..

but the greed in the need for another life clouds the human mind from thinking the absurdity or the pointless bleakness in such existence.

Neglecting the earth for paradise is like neglecting substance for shadow

Cc.lalasticlala Mynd44

@frank317: Nice crap you have up there. It's nice but it's still crap.