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Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by tete7000(m): 6:12pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
Xtanixlax: Until they ate that fruit they really didn't need to know bad, their souls were pure and they were basically good. They communed directly with God who created them, who knew his desire for them and basically always at hand to answer any of their question. When man chose to eat the fruit, he basically sought to turn himself to God. He told God he no longer needed him as he is knowledgeable now to know what is good or bad for him. From that point forward man began to grope in darkness, God who hitherto was close suddenly was cut off and became distant. Quite unfortunately man flesh is fickle and man suddenly became dependent on relying on his passions and desires. He lost God, couldnt find his day back to God and it would take God himself out of love to went and look for man. That mission was accomplish in Christ Jesus becoming man and taking us back to God. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by theEYe21(f): 6:13pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
When he knew what was going to happen, what was the point? For example, just like me knowing a fruit is poisonous but still let someone eat it. That's just wicked! ministeriallist: 2 Likes |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by theEYe21(f): 6:17pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
But she didn't know her son was going to touch it na, but God new Adam was going to disobey and he still let it happen. analice107: 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by odijeks(m): 6:19pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
booqee:I believe you mean the tree of knowledge of good and evil. thats the one God expressly told them not to eat of. God created man in his own image, this means man has the ability to think, decide and make choices, just like God. a garden where everything is permissible without any restriction whatsoever would not enable man to express this God-like ability, hence, a need for something out of bound of which man would have to express his will not to touch in obedience to God or can do otherwise. |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by Memyselfu2009(m): 6:21pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
themosthigh: BRO LISTEN Jehovah didn't die for us Jesus did. GOD HAS THE POWER TO CREATE US LIKE A ROBOT Inside he decided to give Adam free will Adam had a choice to choose either to be loyal and obedient or to dis obey. It was just a simple up commandment upon all th these trees in the Garden you must eat but as for these tree you must not eat for the day you eat you would die. So are first parent Disobey It would cost God nothing to enslave US. Like the King's of the Earth do inside he gave me and you free will to choice either to serve him or n |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by analice107: 6:28pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
theEYe21:Hahahahahahahaha. That's some reasoning. Is that why we still choose to commit sin today even when we have been told the consequences? |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by analice107: 6:36pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
buskie13:My dear don't say that oo. Even God wants us to ask him questions like this. Is he not the one who said, we should come let's reason together? How can we reason if we don't ask questions? I ask God questions. Hard questions. Questions that can cause the feeble to derail. You see this question? I asked and asked, no one could give me a satisfactory answer, so I asked God. The illustration I gave earlier is what I recieved as an answer. Let me give you some of the questions I ask God. 1. You are God, there's no evil in and with you. There's no evil in heaven. Where did pride come from to enter into Lucifer? Remember this happened in heaven. 2. When Lucifer fell in rebellion, you created Hellfire for him and his followers. Why didn't you just send them there straight? Why allow them hang around till u created Man? 3. Why wasn't the tree of good and evil kept out of reach from Adam? 4. When Adam fell, why didn't Adam drop dead immediately? Innocent me would ve been saved. Afterall you said, if he ate it he would die. Why didn't he die. 5. OK, am told that Adam died a spiritual dead, but now am told that Jesus shed his blood for my sins. What is the connection between spiritual deathness with physical blood? 6. We are told that after 7years of Antichrist rign, Jesus will come back and take over government from the antichrist and rule for one thousand years before the white throne judgement. Meaning this is when all souls shall resurrect to face judgement. Now, in this one thousand years, when Christ will rign, what will happen to those who would have received the Mark of the Beast? Will they enjoy Jesus' government? Or Will they be cast away and kept some where like the beast who will be imprisoned in the abyss for One thousand years? In between this one thousand years, if folk who had received the mark are allowed to enjoy the government, will they marry and have children? If yes, will their children automatically have the Mark? Will those with the Mark allowed to mix and marry those without the Mark? 7. What is the Qurantee that someone won't rebel against God's government again, since we have lived in sin before? If Lucifer who never had sin, all of a sudden sin entered into him, what is the Qurantee that, we who have lived in sin won't sin over in heaven? These are some of the questions I ask God. because no one can give me any good answers. But He answers me. He answers when you are indeed in need of answers. If you go to him with the kind of heart the Atheists have, scornfully with the intent to malign, you will hear nothing. A master can't become a servant for whatever reason. You are a servant, he is a master. Keep it at that level and you will hear him. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by OgenemaroKessy(m): 6:39pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
analice107:Hello. Please I want to know before God gave that instruction to Adam about the forbidden fruit,Didn't he know that Adam will disobey?. (2) Was Adam created perfect? If Yes , Why did he fall short of God's glory. And If No, elaborate. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by orisa37: 6:40pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
This Tree is "The Soul and The Breath of God in us". He made humans selfish that is separate from Him Who's Righteous, to enable humans think right to reach up to Him. The Tree is The Conscience, The Spirit of GOOD and EVIL in humans. Always think good, right, righteous and God. Otherwise, you'll be evil, wrong, selfish and satanic. God bless His Tree of Life. |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by Nobody: 6:41pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
analice107:I'm good, Baby. Chilling. The week resumes tomorrow. |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by Volksfuhrer(m): 6:41pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
achorladey: Your post was almost apologetic. However, your premises still force a curious conclusion: that God is not all knowing! Your proposition that God can "refrain from using foreknowledge" doesn't help in any way; it still implies that there are things He does not know. He cannot be all knowing without knowing all things! Why can't we just agree that everything that happened was as God allowed it! |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by Nobody: 6:41pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
orisa37: |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by Nobody: 6:42pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
WaffenSS: always obey,doing the right thing. |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by Nobody: 6:44pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
@ymodulus you are needed here share your views |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by AdeniyiA(m): 7:02pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
ministeriallist:People must know that ALL the Lord created were good, the said 'bad' tree wasn't a bad tree but disobedience made it so. A brief analogy would help, take for instance,if you have two women A & B, and God says to a man ,take A as your wife but never touch B but if you go ahead to sleep with B because you think she's more endowed, you've have committed two sins. 1. against yourself, 2. Disobedience to God. This does not mean B is 'bad', disobedience made her so. |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by cycluse: 7:10pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
That is why he is GOD, no one can question him |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by analice107: 7:12pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer:Be a sweetheart and share of your fuel.? |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by AdeniyiA(m): 7:12pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
WaffenSS:God's initial purpose was to create an independent man, one who can choose his path and destiny but never a stooge, if God made obedience a default feature He would in fact contradict himself because he told man to "dominate","rule",etc, such a ruler must be able to take decisions on his own and face the consequences. God was simply taking the man through a set of lessons for a predetermined future roles of rulership |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by Nmeri17: 7:13pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
analice107:Abeg! The thread is asking "why there was bread in the first place". Why are you recounting the Fall story all over? This is like reading a translation named Standard Bakery Version. |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by weezii(m): 7:14pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
It's quite easy God has given us the power to decide which way to go and what to do with the knowledge of good and bad. The power of decision lies in our hands. Thus it's now your choice to believe that God exists or not plus whether you'd do good to your fellow man or evil. It's your choice but remember thus: Every choice we make has a reward 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by achorladey: 7:19pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
@volksfuhrer now you are almost there read Genesis 22:12 Then he said: “Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me.” 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by Kennedyiheme: 7:29pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer:no one understands how God works yet they Got it right, ignorant africans keep praying for manner to fall from heaven, creating retarded illusions with our sense of spirituality, while the europeans use critical thinking and using there brains. That's why china and usa are one of the biggest economies. We keep praying foolishly, they keep growing everyday.... Recently students of LIGO discovered gravitational waves, making the possiblity of humans traveling through time, average nigeria youth would be found in church or mosque, while their mates are being innovative and changing the world in terms of technology. If the owner of facebook was found in church for always, 24/7, do you think he'll be as rich as he is now? 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by Audray(f): 7:29pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
Abi? Its like saying to a kid: Hey kid! Don't touch this BIG RED SHINY BUTTON!. Kids love shiny things. God basically used reverse psychology on his " kids"Adam and eve. Why? 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by achorladey: 7:31pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
The Bible reveals Jehovah’s qualities to us. These qualities make it impossible for him to have anything to do with sin. Jehovah “is a lover of righteousness and justice,” says Psalm 33:5 . Thus, James 1:13 notes: “With evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone.” Out of fairness and consideration, God warned Adam: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.” (Genesis 2:16, 17 ) The first couple were given a choice between endless life and death. Would it not have been hypocritical for God to warn them against a specific sin while already knowing the bad outcome? As “a lover of righteousness and justice,” Jehovah would not have offered a choice that in reality did not exist. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by Nobody: 7:32pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
itstpia8:he didn't want man to sin.. else why was he displeased when He found He had been disobeyed to the extent of cursing man... from many replies here..I now understand God wanted us to choose Him over the devil hence the reason for giving us choice.. thereby placing the tree in the garden... He didn't want us to sin! |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by achorladey: 7:35pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
The key in my last post ( hypocritical, As “a lover of righteousness and justice,” Jehovah would not have offered a choice that in reality did not exist.) , |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by achorladey: 7:38pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
The Scriptures show that on many occasions God did not make use of his ability of foreknowledge. For example, when faithful Abraham went to the point of attempting to sacrifice his son, Jehovah could say: “Now I do know that you are God-fearing in that you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me.” ( Genesis 22:12 ) On the other hand, there were also occasions when the bad conduct of certain individuals caused God to “feel hurt.” Would he have felt such pain if he had long known what they would do?— Psalm 78:40, 41; 1 Kings 11:9, 10 . Thus, it is only reasonable to conclude that the all-wise God did not exercise his ability of foreknowledge to know in advance that our first parents would sin. He was not so foolish as to embark on a bizarre venture, using his ability to know the outcome in advance and then staging a mere rerun of what he already knew. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by achorladey: 7:39pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
I love my last post, people learn to reason. Faith goes along with sound reason. |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by Nobody: 7:40pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
Tjayjosh: So why was Pharoah's heart hardened? |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by Nobody: 7:41pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
themosthigh: You make me laff, dont contend with your maker... The clay pot cannot querry the porter. |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by deluxez12(m): 7:47pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
ministeriallist:why would he create them if he wanted them to die 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by analice107: 7:48pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
OgenemaroKessy:OK. Your question sounds like this, when I tell my son not to touch fire dodn't I know that the fire will burn him "if" he touches it? Of course God knew. He is all-knowing. But still left Adam with the free will. Now, if Adam had obeyed that instruction, would you still be asking me this question? Today for instance, there's hellfire. We ve been told what will happen, we have Ben told the things you can do to end up there. But we do them anyways. Now does God know what will happen in hellfire, yes. Has he warned you? Yes. What else do you want? To be tight down like an animal to keep you from sinning? The problem I see with Man is that, we do not like taking responsibilities for our deeds. It began with Adam refusing to take any blame. When God came, he shifted blame first to God who brought the woman, and then to the woman who allowed herself to he deceived. But he forgot he was the one the instruction was given. My dear. The question is not God's stance, it is the ability for Adam to apply restrain, control and and obey. A teacher knows the answers before he starts teaching a pupil. It's left for the pupil to take the instructions given. When the pupil flaws those instructions, that pupil has no right to blame the teacher for knowing the answers yet setting the questions. Perfection Adam was created neutral. Neither perfect nor imperfect, neither mortal or immortal. That test was his passage into either perfection or imperfection and mortality or immorality. Look at it like this. When you ask for wisdom, a problem is given to you to solve. How you handle the issue, determinds if you are wise. Adam was an innocent being. But he knew right and wrong. He knew and had someone above. God created everything and brought all to him to see what Adam will Call them. The bible says whatever name Adam gave them, those have been their names. He worked with God. But he heard that he could remove himself from that authority. This was his falling Grace. He was told, he could be "that authority", he toyed and turned the idea up and down his mind and saw that it was good. He desired to be that authority. That's freewill to reason. Why won't you look at Adam's freewill to reason? He reasoned with himself. He made a conscious effort not to be under anyone anymore. He didn't want to give account of his actions to anyone anymore. Why aren't you scrutinizing Adam? Adam wasn't ignorant. He wasn't without power to make choices. Adam was a reasonable man who felt, enough of this evening "Cool of the day" visitation when God felt like it. He wanted to he God. Can't you get it? My dear, when you infringe on God's Sovereignty, hahaha. You don find trouble. |
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