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Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by bodeemmy(m): 10:46pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
Jehovah is a God of love, he love us that is why he created us. God has provided all what Adam and Eve needed, so they lack nothing. There is one gift that God gives all human; the gift is called FREE WILL i.e ability to make decide for ourself what we want to do. God doesn't force ppl to serve him unlike Satan. God loves and appreciate it when we serve him base on genuine love for him. So what God normally does is this; this thing is Bad, if u do it this is the consequences this thing is good, if u do it this is the reward God will now leave u to make decision, so any decision u make u already know the outcome. That is God for u, he want those that obey him based on love for him, He goes for quality not quantity. God have the power to make us like robot and be controlling us, but he doesn't because he want us to exercise our free will, whether we love and obey him or not So in case of Adam and Eve, God want them to prove their love for him obeying the simple instruction or command he gave them which is not too difficult for them to obey, because that is not the only tree in the garden . obeying it is to their benefit self because is a life and death matter. Is just like if your doctor told u not to eat a particular fruit because of the great damage the fruit can cause to your health and that after some time it can kill u. am very sure u w not eat the fruit again likewise God told Adam & Eve not to eat that particular fruit for their life. they did obey that simple instruction, or they SIN (SIN-simple instruction neglected) By doing that, they willingly did obey Jehovah the giver of their perfect life, they obey Satan that doesn't do anything for them. God is perfect and all his ways are just. so he did not intentionally put the tree there so that they can sin o that will not show justice on Gods part, Jehovah is a God of Justice. |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by Wealthy15(f): 10:55pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
booqee:God wanted to train man fully so that he can be able to control his urge for good and evil,that was the reason He puts him in the garden of Eden that after the training;ie after man must have known how to control himself fully on how to do good and when not to do evil,then he can eats of the tree.but man didn't complete his training before he fell for the wiles of the devil,so my dear you can see that God wanted man to eat of the tree but after he must have been train by him.and such disobedience is still going on now even worst. |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by Nobody: 11:36pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
Kunzee2304:5star bro |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by rawgame(m): 11:44pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
To be on the safe side. Oh Man, don't 'question' your CREATOR and don't rebel against HIM. Remember we will all give accounts to HIM. Trust and obey HIM. Don't fight HIM because you can't defeat HIM. |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by shanktang(m): 11:56pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
The tree of knowledge was simply the tree of God, it was exlusive only to God, remember God created the earth in six days and rested on the seventh and the seventh was dedicated unto God as the sabath, same way He made the nations and chose the jews to Himself sameway He chose the levites to Himself among the tweve tribes of israel, He always left to Himself a portion its the same way the principle if tithing 10% of what you got goes back to Him, He will always leave to Himself a remnant, they had everything and it didnt belong to them, they took that which belong only to God and they died, the tree was not there to test their obedience no, God does not put anybody to test, let alone to the lent at which you fall and loose everything, that was His tithe but they eat it and died. |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by vinjustice(m): 12:12am On Apr 11, 2016 |
hungryboy:to answer ur question....if u bake a bread that has a inner dent in it....wha do u think will hapn if u bake millons of dem?? answer: THEY R GONNA AVE D SAME DENT. through one man...sin entered in to the world..so adams sin affected his descendant...shikena!!! |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by vinjustice(m): 12:15am On Apr 11, 2016 |
bodeemmy:i sight u |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by aventura: 1:07am On Apr 11, 2016 |
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Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by cloudgoddess(f): 1:11am On Apr 11, 2016 |
No one in this thread, (aside from the ones who said because the story is a fabricated lie/Yahweh is evil, etc) has directly answered the question at hand here. Instead you people keep going in different unrelated directions, avoiding the crux of the matter. The heart of the matter is this: God KNEW the end result when he placed the tree there. He KNEW that in that particular situation, with Adam & Eve's human tendencies for curiosity, propensity to be persuaded by outsiders, ignorance of the consequences, etc (ALL, BY THE WAY, A RESULT OF GOD'S OWN HANDIWORK), they WOULD eat the fruit. It was not a "maybe" or "if they love me they won't do it, let's see what happens". Given his all-knowing, all-seeing vision of the past, present, future, and his knowledge of every neural connection in Adam & Eve's brains that would be activated during the exchange with Satan, it was CERTAIN that they would eat the fruit if he placed the tree there. And yet, he still placed the tree there, and then punished them for the outcome he KNEW would inevitably take place, because of all of the factors that HE HIMSELF PUT INTO PLACE. Whereas if he placed the tree somewhere else, or did not make it at all, or excluded "curiosity" and "susceptability for persuasion" from the list of human psychological tendencies when he was creating us, NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE OCCURED. With very simple decision making God could have easily prevented this "downfall of humanity". Or, even, surprise, FORGIVEN ADAM & EVE RIGHT THEN AND THERE, instead of DOLING OUT COMPLETELY DISPROPORTIONAL PUNISHMENTS LIKE A SADISTIC KID WHO SHAKES UP HIS ANT FARM FOR AMUSEMENT. You know, like an actually loving creator would do. And, not only did he punish Adam & Eve, but THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE. We never had a fair chance. Adam & Eve made their choice out of IGNORANCE of the actual consequences and SUSCEPTIBILITY to the very human traits & psychologal tendencies bestowed upon them by this so-called loving creator. Any truly reasonable person would clearly see the contradictory, nonsensical, idiotic, sadistic, cruel, pointlessness of this whole setup. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by lordweezy(m): 4:00am On Apr 11, 2016 |
booqee: Brother let me help your faith God Almighty created you as a god upon the earth because he is not flesh but spirit,He gave you power of free will and he made you understand the implications,he is a great judge,for you to be upon the parallel universe, your spirit needs a container flesh,you don't suddenly become a god as the spirit wills. See Genesis 1:26-28. And see psalms 82:6. What does God seek,he seeks people that will enjoy his worship,he seeks people that can understand his abundant love. Genesis 3:3 shows us about his warning and what happened,inquisitive. It's better to be a baby than want to know it all.the solution to knowing God and not being lost is in making God's word the standard for your life. Remember God loves you and wants you not to be lost but to be restored to him that is why Christ died so use that opportunity and reconnect to him,there is still hope for the living.the dead can't praise him my brother use this chance. Remain blessed. |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by adamshafi(m): 6:12am On Apr 11, 2016 |
In the name of Allah the most beneficient the merciful , i greet you with the islamic greeting ... may peace be upon all of you.... this is one of the similarities between the islam and christianitya.... God intentionally did that of course... but he did not curse adam and eve he just cast them out of heaven as a form of punishment for there dis obedience... he the almighty has forgiven them because they have pleaded and askd for mercy so.... in the hereafter they will be back to heaven again.... its a simple task ... Allah is merciful... and its just like a teacher ... saying to his pupils dont make noise or do anyting stubborn ...and he knows the pupil is capable of doing so... now when the pupil does that ... and he punishes the pupil nobody will say it is unfair.... had it been he dint warn the pupil about it... that will be totally unfair.... |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by stanel(m): 7:20am On Apr 11, 2016 |
booqee: Ask Google |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by MDelgado(m): 7:36am On Apr 11, 2016 |
lekkie073: Lekkie u too get sense |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by Jeromejnr(m): 7:54am On Apr 11, 2016 |
analice107: How did I miss this? Kudos! ![]() |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by Drigdee(m): 8:23am On Apr 11, 2016 |
God created Man to be a god on the earth and have dominion over everything. But God does not force anyone to worship Him, that is one of the proofs of his love for us and it also describes His personality. He gives everyone the power to choose to serve , He does not force it. So there had to be an avenue for Man to make that choice. For example, when the devil rebelled against God long before creation, he didnt force His dominion over the devil, instead he allowed the devil to choose , and prepared the lake of fire for the rest to know the punisment of not recognisig Him as the creator . This applies to us Humans also. Choose you this day whom you will follow. But still, How unsearchable are his judgement and His ways past finding out. |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by Nobody: 8:52am On Apr 11, 2016 |
shanktang: Another very fantastic write up |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by colp2015: 9:07am On Apr 11, 2016 |
God planted the tree of knowledge of good and evil to alert Adam that Satan was in the garden. God did not intend to test man's obedience through the tree, but to communicate to Adam and Eve that evil spirits were in the garden with them. Adam knew nothing about the invisible enemy. God knew Satan was in the garden, but since Adam did not give name to Lucifer, coupled with the fact that Lucifer/Satan is invisible, there was a problem communicating the nature and mission of Satan to Adam and Eve. Hence, God planted the tree of knowledge and evil to induce the adversary to reveal himself. Who else but Satan would kick against God's instruction? Adam and Eve would never have sinned deliberately without influence. I urge you to read an interesting article on http://faithfuljoel.com/2015/07/the-tree-of-knowledge-of-good-evil/ |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by Adortem: 9:38am On Apr 11, 2016 |
The power of choice! God didn't create man as zombies,He gave man a will,so the fruit of good and evil was there because he wanted them to simply make a choice and they did! In our lives,God would never force a choice on us,he gives us options to choose from "good or evil"? booqee: |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by Suurulere(m): 10:29am On Apr 11, 2016 |
"Hast thou not known? Hast thou not heard? That the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary; there is no searching of His understanding."-Isaiah 40:28. If we know everything about Him, then He is no more God. Forget Adam and Eve and be like Jesus...the Second Adam and the Lord of Heaven. |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by cloudgoddess(f): 10:43am On Apr 11, 2016 |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by analice107: 10:46am On Apr 11, 2016 |
Jeromejnr:Where have you been man? I was going to open a thread calling you out. Happy New year, Happy Easter. |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by cloudgoddess(f): 10:52am On Apr 11, 2016 |
colp2015:What is so hard about saying, "by the way there is a serpent here that will try to convince you otherwise. he will mislead you so don't listen to him, just a heads up" ![]() |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by cloudgoddess(f): 10:54am On Apr 11, 2016 |
Suurulere:Boooo. Sucky copout and a non-answer. "Don't ask, god isn't meant to be understood". SO the same can be said for any of the 3,999 other gods that have existed throughout human history and many even prior to Yahweh. If you don't understand them, it doesn't mean they are false! It just shows their godliness!!! Nonsense. |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by cloudgoddess(f): 11:18am On Apr 11, 2016 |
Drigdee: Benprak: shine12: tete7000: Adortem: Ask yourself, what causes human decision-making? What are the factors at play when we make a choice? All thinking is done with the pre-frontal cortex, or the part of our brain that distinguishes us as "human", which has it's own natural tendencies, including: - Curiosity. Wanting to learn as much about the environment as possible. - Reasoning. Wanting to understand, and make choices based on those understandings. - Persuasion. Ability to be convinced if sufficiently convincing arguments are put forward. All of these mental tendencies, amongst others, are precisely the reason our species has survived, and managed to dominate so many other species. If Yahweh indeed created every aspect of human beings, that means HE INSTALLED THOSE TENDENCIES & MECHANISMS IN OUR BRAINS, INTENTIONALLY. In addition, Adam and Eve were NOT given the power of informed choice. The choice they were given was "obey god and ![]() 1. Why something is wrong/right and what those concepts even mean. 2. What the consequences will be if we choose either option. 3. If there is a potential to be misled, and if so what form would this misleading be presented in (ie. Satan & his argument for why they should eat the fruit). Adam & Eve had NONE of those things. It is obvious what choice would most likely be made in such a situation, and humans of today are no different. We do not blindly make decisions because x person in charge told us (unless we are ruled by a dictator or brainwashed, which is exactly what theists are, no surprise there). Expecting them NOT to eat from the tree, given their human brains, the situation they were presented with, and the lack of details they were given, would be expecting them NOT to give in to the EXTREMELY PREDICTABLE functions of human nature and neurological patterns. Which, if God himself TRULY created our brains, he would KNOW EVERY SINGLE DETAIL AND MECHANISM OF AND WOULD HAVE MANUALLY INSERTED HIMSELF. The flaws in the Adam & Eve story are so obvious to anyone studied in basic human psychology and/or neurobiology, or simply to any truly reasonable and honest person who has not been a victim of religious brainwashing. But of course the cavemen who wrote the crap had no idea how our brains worked or how complex of a process decision-making is, or even that the concept of "free will" in itself is hotly debatable (I won't go into too much detail, but ask yourself this: If two people could possess the exact same genetic code and be exposed to all the exact same environmental factors to the minute detail, would they make the same choices? The fact that 99% of our thinking, learning, and interpretation is done by the subconscious brain, tells us the answer is YES. Modern psychology has shown us that absolute "free will", at least in the way that apologists describe it, very likely does not fully exist. Which is another huge monkey wrench in the Adam & Eve fable, and christianity in general.) |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by bobkezel(m): 11:45am On Apr 11, 2016 |
lekkie073: what a God!! That ur God must be a heartless, wicked, deceptive and senseless God. How could he go about tormenting people's life for trump's sake!! Causing troublem here and there. To tell you the truth, i have never seen anything good come out from that ur God, that is, it he exists sha. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by lekkie073(m): 11:53am On Apr 11, 2016 |
bobkezel:ok u buffonery has been acknowledged. ...can u shift to yaba left now ![]() |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by bobkezel(m): 12:04pm On Apr 11, 2016 |
lekkie073: i am already there you brainwashed maggot. |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by tete7000(m): 12:12pm On Apr 11, 2016 |
cloudgoddess: I don't have your time. Believe whatever suits you. Its part of your choice, your free choice borne out of your freewill. |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by colp2015: 12:16pm On Apr 11, 2016 |
cloudgoddess:Not quite! Satan is a complex being. You can't pin him to any particular action or situation. If God had said to Adam and Eve ''Hey, look out for serpent, your enemy may use it to deceive you..'' Please read below for the situation in the Garden of Eden. First, man knew nothing about Satan. The whole concept of Satan could not sink because Satan is invisible. Second, Satan would use another method to carry out his enterprise. This is perhaps the most difficult aspect of Satan's nature. He can manifest in any form he chooses. So, the problem was not about God, but the limitation of man's understanding. Man simply did not know that Satan was in the garden/earth. The story is the same for every one who repudiates the existence of God and Satan. To underscore my posit on this issue, I'd like to ask you a question: Do you know that Satan is the ruler of this world? I urge you to read an interesting article on http://faithfuljoel.com/2015/07/the-tree-of-knowledge-of-good-evil/ |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by DrDxtrz: 12:20pm On Apr 11, 2016 |
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Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by analice107: 12:23pm On Apr 11, 2016 |
Myde4naija:Okay. Put me on the run. I have strong legs. After all, Christianity is a race. |
Re: Why Did God Create The Tree Of Good and evil If He Didn't Want Man To Sin by lekkie073(m): 12:23pm On Apr 11, 2016 |
bobkezel:oh I see....since u r already a patient in 'yaba left', why not ask d psychiatric doctor on duty to give u ur daily dose of whatever-it-is-dat-makes-u-feel-like-a-normal-human-being ![]() |
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