MuttleyLaff:
Thank you for the above verses, and your kind and courteous words

Excellent response

Good answer
but not quite the excellent and right response, so hold the ball and dont drop it now when attempting to respond to these following questions:

Q2b How many recorded times in the Bible were other tongues spoke?
Q2c On each of those ocassions, who are the ''them that believe not''?
Q2d What did they not believe? (i.e. what were they having difficulties believing in or with etcetera)

If you respond to Q2b Q2c and Q2d adequately enough, you should without any more light be able respond Q3

Well, yeah, minus the ''the language of the spirit'' bit, you're in a roundabout kind of way right, as ability to speak in tongues is a gift of the Spirit

Q4b OK, before the ''used to edify oneself '' bit, on the X times it was recorded happening in the Bible, who was ''speaking in other tongues'' aimed at or meant for and why?

Awesome and direct hit. Excellent

No, no, no, no, no.

Q5c What is ''the language of the spirit''? Who speaks ''the language of the spirit''? Give examples of biblically recorded spoken ''the language of the spirit''
Q5d If ''speak with other tongues'' means the language of the spirit, then from your response in Q5a above, are you implying the disciples who spoke in tongues used the language of the spirit?

Q5e If you are in a gathering of 10 Igbo speaking only believers who dont understand Hausa
but stand up to speak in Hausa language, please tell me who would you be speaking to?
Is it to the 10 Igbo speaking only believers or to God you are speaking to?

No, no, no, no, no.
It is not exclusively about prophesying.
''speaks in a tongue'' is primarily about communcating, of which prophesying, is one of the many offshoots

That was not a boast brother. Never pluck out a Bible text, to read it in isolation. Context is king bro.
What Paul said in 1 Corinthians 14:14, was, ''if I pray in a tongue'' and that means ''on the assumption or in the event that I pray in a tongue''. (i.e. ''if I pray in a tongue'' & ''I pray in tongues'' are two different things)
and later in 1 Corinthians 14:17 he further said: ''I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all...''

C'mon now, give us a break. HE DID NOT SAY: ''I pray in tongues''.

If you had answered Q2b Q2c Q2d and Q3 you would have easily connected the dots and come to understand how Paul managed to ''speak in tongues more than you all;…''

Moving on, 1 Corinthians 14:14-16 can be understood with this illustration and the bottom fifth paragraph below after the illustration

Illustration for 1 Corinthians 14:14-15 is, if an Igbo speaking only believer, who doesnt understand Hausa, starts to prays in a tongue, like praying in the unknown Hausa tongue or language as it were
Then the Body is praying and the Spirit too is praying for same good thing the Body is praying
However the mind or intellect (i.e. Soul) in the middle, doesnt understand the language or tongue the mouth (i.e. Body) is praying in, so the Soul cant transfer an outcome to the Spirit
The Soul in effect is rendered unfruitful
So what is the resolution then?
I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind (i.e. Soul) also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind (i.e. Soul) also
Let the Spirit have the request it needs or asks for, let the Soul be able successfully have from the Body what the Spirit
In the case of the Igbo speaking only believer, sweet success or fruitfulness will happen in the Soul,
only when the Igbo speaking only believer, prays in the language or tongue the mind (i.e. Soul) can interpret and process (i.e. Igbo language or tongue), for deposit into the Spirit

And lastly, as for 1 Corinthians 14:16, another illustration is if an Igbo speaking only believer starts praying in Igbo tongue or language in a Hausa only speaking gathering, how will they know when to say Amen or ''so be it'' in agreement to a prayer done in an Igbo language unknown to them

Also brother, it is the sense of duty and the purpose found in Colossian 3:9 which tells us not to lie to each other
and also the instructive in Ephesian 4:15 which tells us to speak the truth in love, that I with the utmost due respect, say, YOU DO NOT SPEAK IN TONGUES TALKLESS CLAIM TO PRAY IN TONGUES.
Wake up brother and smell the coffee!

Trust me, what happened in the upper room, still happens today
Speaking in another tongue or another language is a gift of the Spirit
Though fading, it still happens today, but they are few and far in between
Yes, they are not very many or arent happening very frequently, even we have the few occasional medically recorded FLS speaking fluently in another tongue
so finally on this matter, without malice or being unkind, you are under a delusion and have allowed yourself to be lied to, if you think you speak in tongues or pray in tongues
Do you know some have been known to ''pray in tongues on paper'' too? (i.e. show ''praying in tongues'' as clear texts'')


Though you've done a brilliant work in your Q7 response, permit me in giving some more clarity and understanding on the matter.
The above graphic is providing as it is related to the explanation I'll be sharing about the Body Soul & Spirit that makes up Man

He went on to say,
"Pay attention to what you're listening to!
[Knowledge] will be measured out to you by the measure [of attention] you give.
This is the way knowledge increases
- Mark 4:24

What is man?
Man is a spirit being, residing or housed in a Body and possessing a Soul
Man is made up of Body, Soul (i.e. uses the heart as an outlet) and Spirit.
The Soul has the body and spirit on each opposite sides of it

Mind you, the Soul is the most important existence of Man
and that is why the battle is and always has been about or over the Soul
All attack is ultimately targeted at the Soul

The Body has 5 faculties of senses
(i.e. which are, to see via the eyes, hear via the ears, feel via applicable part of the body, smell via the nose and taste via the mouth)
The faculties of the Soul comprises of the Mind (i.e. conscious and sub conscious) or Intellect, Will or Freewill, and Emotions
The faculties of the Spirit comprises of Fellowship, Conscience, Discernment or Intuition

Now, the Soul is the first medium key component of Man created by God
and Man is tickled and accessed through this Soul by way of the body and spirit
The Soul, in effective, is the mediator between the body and spirit

The different faculties in the Soul waits, to pick up signals coming from the relevant and/or applicable faculties in the Body and the Spirit
This bit is very important, the Soul receives from the Body and deposits into the Spirit
Whatever the Body reads or sees via the eyes, hears via the ears, feels via applicable part of the body, smells via the nose and talks or tastes via the mouth is picked up by the Soul and deposited into the Spirit
The Spirit upon receiving things from the Soul, has to deal or process what the Soul has deposited into its laps

This is why regulation is very important. It is why we ought to control and oversee what the Soul is picking up from or picking up with the senses
If you have to eat the chicken or fish, this is why its necessary to know when and how to spit out the bones
or if it's grain to eat, then know when and how to spit out the straws
alternatively, if it's liquor to drink, and you cant hold it down so you don't throw it up, then know how or when to stay away from the liquor

Now, if the Soul picks up an unknown tongue or language from the Body, it cant interpret, then the deposit into the Spirit will be unfruitful
The Spirit knows what it expects from the Soul for fruition to be possible but the Soul received from the Body a tongue or language it doesnt via the Mind or Intellect understand
Now just as in physical when the stomach growls, making noises for food, when nourishing is long overdue,
so it is spiritually, the Spirit intercedes for us through wordless and noiseless groans for substances necessary for growth, health and good condition

The Soul determines what the Spirit receives, but if like you said earlier alluded, the Soul is transferring the wrong expectations (e.g. not praying right, not asking right etctera)
then the Spirit does the wordless groans (i.e. the spirit knows what should be prayed for, so it becomes restless with wordless groans, when the expectation(s) is not forthcoming or not in sight)
The Spirit is like saying: Hey Mr Soul, where are the goods am expecting, please dont feed me with trash
and so since the Spirit tells the Soul what it needs, the Soul has to back to the Body for the request
Now, if it is one of those classic cases of the Spirit is willing BUT the Body is weak, then the Body many times will REFUSE the Soul the request of the Spirit
and here we have a typical case of struggle or power tussle going on in the Soul involving the Body and the Spirit
The Spirit knows what it needs the Soul giving it from the Body (i.e. the Spirit tells the Soul what to do, expecting the Soul to relay this information request to the Body)
but the Body, many times, is not ready or prepared to act in accordance with the wish or command of the Spirit by giving or offering it to the Soul for the Spirit

The Spirit cannot give to the Body righteous things it didnt receives from the Soul
OK, here is the clarification to ward off confusion: The Soul passes on all righteous things it receives from the Body,
if fruitful and meaningful when the Spirit receives it, the Spirit will then conceive the ''fruit'' and return it back to the Body via the Soul
The Soul feeds the Spirit and the Soul receives from the Spirit to feed the Body
that is why if your mind (i.e. Soul) doesnt understand something OR anything, it would be unable to interpret to successfully feed the Spirit or the Body

Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health,
even as thy soul prospereth
- 3 John 1:2

As seen in 3 John 1:2 above, the Soul (i.e. the Mind (i.e. conscious and sub conscious) or Intellect, Will or Freewill, and Emotions) tops it all

This is a feeble response, since reading the above you'll probally revise it

Can you see now why I requested that you give a demonstration, explanation and example of praying in the spirit as in 1 Corinthians 14:15

You truthfully dont undestand an iota of anything you say when you ''speak in tongue'' or ''pray in tongues''. Be honest, shame the devil and the devil be a liar

That means your mind (i.e. Soul) is unfruitful when you ''speak in tongue'' or ''pray in tongues''
and if we give you the benefit of doubt, that you are speaking in a meaningful, proper and intelligble language albeit unknown to you, the why are you ignoring 1 Corinthians 14:27–28?

Again bringing back part of the above given illustration:
If there is no interpreter of the Igbo language or tongue then the Igbo speaking only believer, should speak to himself and to God alone.
He shouldnt speak to the Hausa only speaking gathering, in Igbo language or tongue which the Hausa gathering dont understand
What is the point if he does, as they arent going to be built up with something they havent a clue what was said

The church don't teach in tongues but they pray majorly in tongues? SMH.
I trust you spot the oxymoron and inconsistency in this your response

My guy, we have only scratched the surface of this matter you raised because of too many fundamentals and basics amiss, too many gaping holes in the theology
so food for thought: (an advice some saints will choke on no doubt) Clean up your act bro, and prevent truth decay, by brushing up your Bible
The Bible is a book of division, people are still coveting things which don't belong to them, so please study to shew thyself approved unto God rightly dividing the word of truth

Thank you brother for your kind response and enlightment with the time you spent in putting all this together, I really appreciate it all and I can tell you that I have learnt few things

Am actually at work at present so might not be able to answer your added questions soon

But I will like to point of some few things here. You said I neither pray nor speak in tongues which I will like to clarify with some scriptures,

the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. John 14:17

This to confirm that I know the Spirit of God is in me because he dwells in me so when I speak in tongues, I know am not speaking from my own delusional mind but from the spirit

 Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction?
1cor 14:6

This in reference to one of your questions which I gave answer to

13 For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 1cor 14:13-14

Why does paul ask that we should pray to interpret? The answer is in verse 14

When one is being baptised and speak in tongues, the spirit prays and not the mind or the soul because it does not understand. This interpretation comes from the same stream the tongues is coming from but the flesh is canal and can't reciprocate until one subdue the flesh/mind by feeding the spirit with the Word of God and walking in righteousness.

(Now, if the Soul picks up an unknown tongue or language from the Body, it cant interpret, then the deposit into the Spirit will be unfruitful)
what is this bro?

To speak or interpret in tongues is a gift of the spirit and not the soul, the spirit when speaking in tongues knows what he's saying but the understand in the soul is unfruitful and that is why paul asked us to pray.
The percentage of those who don't interpret their tongues on here and beyond are more than those who do. But you know your spirit is praying because the Spirit of Truth dwells in you.

You are trying to use physical to explain spiritual, too much of theological basics can't help much bro. I might not have been able to answer your questions as you want it, infact I might have missed so many but I am growing gradually in the Word. Paul asked us to desire sincere milk so we could grow and that is what we should do. I did not attend any theological school "well not yet" but that doesn't mean I am a novice to the Word of God.

Don't forget when we are born again, our spirit is but the souls desires is still based on the world. This time bro, after salavation, the Spirit takes over, the spirit deposit into the soul so the soul and spirit and flow together. The more you feed yourself with the Word of God, spirit gains power and subdue the flesh thereby making it obey the spirit. The process is when the things one usually enjoy doing before salvation started looking strange to you as the spirit starts making the soul desire Godly things

By the grace of God, I was able to interpret/prophesy my tongues to a few group of people when I concentrated more on tongues from my spirit and I have also received revelations from God from tongues as well. Yes most times my understanding is unfruitful but I admit that am growing and am also praying to be able to interpret as am suppose to.

I am reading a book by kenneth hagin "growing spiritually" and I advice you get it. He said 20years after preaching, he started asking for more knowledge in the word of God with eph 1:17-19 and some other scriptures and after 30days he started getting revelations and realise he has been preaching nonsense all the while, bro he question he's own preaching.

Brother please there are lots of people on this trend who wish and desire to be baptised in the Holy Ghost and can speak in tongues, by what you are saying, you might discourage some.

I know Who lives in me and I know Who gave me utterances to speak or pray so I won't mind you but please let's encourage and help those who desire to.

Saying I don't speak or pray in tongues is just you trying to bring your theological teaching on here. There are some things above from what you said I don't agree with but I'll let it skip.

We should all desire to grow, growing physically gradually is same as growing spiritually and its both a gradual process and I as a person I choose to grow gradually discerning the word of God and to be filled with the knowledge of his will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding

I'll stop here for now till later but will advice someone on here who wishes to be baptised in the Holy Ghost and wishes to speak in tongues.

Keep the fire of God in you burning, try as much as possible to grow in the Word of God but most especially HUNGER for righteousness and you will have this gift. Don't beat yourself over if you don't interpret them, desire to grow, take it step by step and all other gifts will be added through the Holy Spirit.

Shalom.....

JMG1:
Thank you brother for your kind response and enlightment with the time you spent in putting all this together, I really appreciate it all and I can tell you that I have learnt few things

Am actually at work at present so might not be able to answer your added questions soon

But I will like to point of some few things here. You said I neither pray nor speak in tongues which I will like to clarify with some scriptures,

the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. John 14:17

This to confirm that I know the Spirit of God is in me because he dwells in me so when I speak in tongues, I know am not speaking from my own delusional mind but from the spirit

Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction?
1cor 14:6

This in reference to one of your questions which I gave answer to

13 For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 1cor 14:13-14

Why does paul ask that we should pray to interpret? The answer is in verse 14

When one is being baptised and speak in tongues, the spirit prays and not the mind or the soul because it does not understand. This interpretation comes from the same stream the tongues is coming from but the flesh is canal and can't reciprocate until one subdue the flesh/mind by feeding the spirit with the Word of God and walking in righteousness.

(Now, if the Soul picks up an unknown tongue or language from the Body, it cant interpret, then the deposit into the Spirit will be unfruitful)
what is this bro?

To speak or interpret in tongues is a gift of the spirit and not the soul, the spirit when speaking in tongues knows what he's saying but the understand in the soul is unfruitful and that is why paul asked us to pray.
The percentage of those who don't interpret their tongues on here and beyond are more than those who do. But you know your spirit is praying because the Spirit of Truth dwells in you.

You are trying to use physical to explain spiritual, too much of theological basics can't help much bro. I might not have been able to answer your questions as you want it, infact I might have missed so many but I am growing gradually in the Word. Paul asked us to desire sincere milk so we could grow and that is what we should do. I did not attend any theological school "well not yet" but that doesn't mean I am a novice to the Word of God.

Don't forget when we are born again, our spirit is but the souls desires is still based on the world. This time bro, after salavation, the Spirit takes over, the spirit deposit into the soul so the soul and spirit and flow together. The more you feed yourself with the Word of God, spirit gains power and subdue the flesh thereby making it obey the spirit. The process is when the things one usually enjoy doing before salvation started looking strange to you as the spirit starts making the soul desire Godly things

By the grace of God, I was able to interpret/prophesy my tongues to a few group of people when I concentrated more on tongues from my spirit and I have also received revelations from God from tongues as well. Yes most times my understanding is unfruitful but I admit that am growing and am also praying to be able to interpret as am suppose to.

I am reading a book by kenneth hagin "growing spiritually" and I advice you get it. He said 20years after preaching, he started asking for more knowledge in the word of God with eph 1:17-19 and some other scriptures and after 30days he started getting revelations and realise he has been preaching nonsense all the while, bro he question he's own preaching.

Brother please there are lots of people on this trend who wish and desire to be baptised in the Holy Ghost and can speak in tongues, by what you are saying, you might discourage some.

I know Who lives in me and I know Who gave me utterances to speak or pray so I won't mind you but please let's encourage and help those who desire to.

Saying I don't speak or pray in tongues is just you trying to bring your theological teaching on here. There are some things above from what you said I don't agree with but I'll let it skip.

We should all desire to grow, growing physically gradually is same as growing spiritually and its both a gradual process and I as a person I choose to grow gradually discerning the word of God and to be filled with the knowledge of his will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding

I'll stop here for now till later but will advice someone on here who wishes to be baptised in the Holy Ghost and wishes to speak in tongues.

Keep the fire of God in you burning, try as much as possible to grow in the Word of God but most especially HUNGER for righteousness and you will have this gift. Don't beat yourself over if you don't interpret them, desire to grow, take it step by step and all other gifts will be added through the Holy Spirit.

Shalom.....

Bro I haven't even started yet. I couldn't because we didn't get to start because questions I posed and about to pose to you were left inadequately answered if all any attempts were made to answer them.
It is until after you've answered the question(s) that sequential ones will be asked you.
Everything I asked you about is Bible based and will be bible backed, which is why I need honest or "I don't know" answers. When I counter give the answers then do a Berean with it

Are you familiar with and understand 1 Corinthians 14:27–28?
What you make of 1 Corinthians 14:27-28?
Do you at all adhere to the instruction in 1 Corinthians 14:27-28?
Where in the Bible have you read about praying in tongues, please I need the text?

What is the most important part of Man and why?
Do you think the "thesis" on Soul etcetera was dropped in out of idleness or showing off?

I asked you what was the primary or original reason for the gift of speaking in tongues, you gave me a lame answer.

I'll soon or might give you an offer too good to refuse concerning this matter.

Normally I don't get involved but notice the reasons I gave earlier in beginning of my post.

If only you had unbiasedly read through the post, some progress would have been done

Shalom

GoodMuyis:


- Concluding Note
If you are reading this for the first time, try to read all from the beginning. I suppose to post this earlier but am waiting for Bro CharlyG1 to conclude the third part of his Post - Dealing with the sex demon.

Please If you just stumble on this page try, go back and read from page 1 to 30 you will greatly benefit from this thread. Even if you read from page 1 to 100, and you elated about what you read BUT you did not pray seriously about it, there wont be CHANGE in your life.

Any sin relating to fornication is attached to anti progress demon. why?
If you have read a Book titled PLACEBO, the man narrating his experience, at the end of his journey/trance back into the hospital you will remember that he saw a man whom am evil spirit entered into his face and immediately that man lusted after a lady he saw in the hospital. The evil spirit was described to look like a frog, we can find similar spirit in Rev 16vs13.

The Spiritual implication of this spirit of frog as more or less its nature. As explain to me by my Mum: A frog never soar or go beyond the level it can jump to and each time it jump it never go beyond the former height (unlike eager that soar high into the sky).

The devil uses this spirit to limit people from progressing in life be it Spiritual, Marital, Financial etc the more they tried to move on and higher they will still come down, because a contrary force/spirit is living in them. Just as in my case I desire and hunger to now more God, and also i have desire to be filled with Holy Ghost and have prayed no result; know why am being weigh down by force contrary to me. but when am delivered what I long for just came on the platter of Gold.

So you notice, such experience, you need to check and wait upon the lord in prayer for deliverance HE will do it.

Lastly, what you read on this thread doesn't matter, but what matters is the Prayer you subject yourself to. I thank God for the Life of my Bro who created this thread. Always remember this name goodmuyis whom you have help.
Also to others who have shared experience and to that Spiritual Deborah for her testimony


Shalom

Pls who authored PLACEBO?

analice107:

Pls who authored PLACEBO?

Howard Pittman

Read [Selected chapters]Online here http://www.divinerevelations.info/dreams_and_visions/placebo_howard_pittman.htm

Download link [am not sure] www.ubm1.org/demons-pittman.pdf

GoodMuyis:


Howard Pittman

Read [Selected chapters]Online here http://www.divinerevelations.info/dreams_and_visions/placebo_howard_pittman.htm

Download link [am not sure] www.ubm1.org/demons-pittman.pdf

Thanks brother, I have downloaded the Pdf version already. Am reading it now.

gadegunle:
Good morning to everyone,
Thanks Oyeluf.
White garment is real witch craft and this particular he goes to I learnt the owner is in Ogboni.His elder brother takes hin there to as to destroy his glory.
God revealed to me his glory has been transferred to the brother already.
He has been brainwashed to see me as his enemy.
I have been fighting on my knees for two years now but as soon as the jinx breaks they do another one.
You know the battle of blood is a real one and the inside enemy has been fueling everything together with the strange woman and the group of evil prophets.
I know God will disgrace them very soon,I feel he used this battle to train me too to become a vessel for him.
I fast once a week on his behalf and I pray with scriptures with his name because I am a nursing mother.
Right now I pray for God to convict him and seperate him from unfriendly friends.
Thanks for your counsel God bless you

Am sorry for your troubles.

Take these prayer points these night between 12 and 3am

1. Every power profiting from the trouble affecting my life die.

2. Oh God my father, After the order the confusion in the tower of babel confuse the troublers of my isreal

3. Powers frustrating my effort, my prayers and my labour over my life and my marriage be exposed and be disgraced

4. Manipulations prosperity in the life of my husband die

5. You my husband call his name I feed you with the blood of Jesus.

What ever you dream come and write it on the these.

If you pray it well in the next 3 days God would should you something.

Make sure you plead the blood of Jesus around your environment, repent of every known and unknown sin, and do what I call an aggressive praise and worship before you begin to battle.

You shall prevail.

I will pray along with you if I remember.

God bless you

oyeludef:
welcome to dis thread. Instead of just emailing wch is private, it will b nice d discussions b had here on dis thread so dat in several years time, ppl could still benefit from dis discussion. U may not need to go into too many detail so as to retain ur anonymity.
Wen u r dealing wit white garment, u r dealing wit pure undiluted witchcraft. Ur battleground should b on ur kneel in private. Break d stronghold of witchcraft on ur spouse. Do so wit fasting nd prayers lets say 3 days nd something spectacular must happen thereafter.

Boss its not easy... but the lord is your strength

MuttleyLaff:
Bro I haven't even started yet. I couldn't because we didn't get to start because questions I posed and about to pose to you were left inadequately answered if all any attempts were made to answer them.
It is until after you've answered the question(s) that sequential ones will be asked you.
Everything I asked you about is Bible based and will be bible backed, which is why I need honest or "I don't know" answers. When I counter give the answers then do a Berean with it

Are you familiar with and understand 1 Corinthians 14:27–28?
What you make of 1 Corinthians 14:27-28?
Do you at all adhere to the instruction in 1 Corinthians 14:27-28?
Where in the Bible have you read about praying in tongues, please I need the text?

What is the most important part of Man and why?
Do you think the "thesis" on Soul etcetera was dropped in out of idleness or showing off?

I asked you what was the primary or original reason for the gift of speaking in tongues, you gave me a lame answer.

I'll soon or might give you an offer too good to refuse concerning this matter.

Normally I don't get involved but notice the reasons I gave earlier in beginning of my post.

If only you had unbiasedly read through the post, some progress would have been done

Shalom

hope u ain't a jehovah's witness? Cos ur questions are kinda not spiritually driven sound to me like u read d bible wit ur own understanding?d issue abt tongues has been argued a lot and once I was almost convinced wit wot a witness told me "dat our understanding abt d mentioned is false".but tank God 4 Kenneth hagins "Tongues,beyond d upper room"it reli planted my feets on d believable part of the truth abt the gift of tongues .Ok so for the sake of baby Christians and those who are struggling wit d word I tink u should ask 4 guidance from the spirit for understanding so ur conclusion isn't based on ur own understanding,interesting point u ve laid down broda but it's reli not wot u should be arguin abt now.no offence.

gadegunle:
Thanks to everyone, I really appreciate you all.More Grace In Jesus Mighty name.

Powers or spirits dont die, but you expel them.
you can never have scriptural backup for this prayer points. pray the scriptures. satan fears the scriptures. the angels don't understand english language, they understand the word of God. You cant go after satan with no real weapons. Satan no be small pikin oo. When you face him,you must of neccesity be armed.
Dont just sling words that wont cause any impact. Sling real weapons.
you have to call satan's attention as to what God promised you and has done for you by reason of your being engrafted into the Abraamic covenant, by your father and acceptance of christ.
make sure your own obidience is full. Remind God His promises, tell satan to get is hands off your inheritances in Christ.
they are so many Warfare prayer points in psalms.
psalm 94:1-23.
psalm 89:22-23
psalm 2: 8-9.
there are many passages, we will send more.
personalise them. One thing you must get rid of, is fear.

Thanks alot Sister Analice God bless you. I will start from tonight.

1 thread, over 100 pages, over 3000 posts, over 60, 000 views, and Jesus is being glorified.

MuttleyLaff:
Read below

Am not trying to be mean, not trying to hate, not try to be a smart alec but you dont speak in tongues

How this church you go or went to, teaches, is erroneous

a red flag should have raised up signalling a problem with ''they help you to speak in tongues''

And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust
- Isaiah 29:4

Of course, satan has he's own counterfeit of speaking in tongues, aided by familiar spirits etcetera

Yes, if talking of the real gift of speaking in tongues according to 1 Corinthians 12:10

to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy,
to another distinguishing between spirits,
to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,
and to still another the interpretation of tongues.
- 1 Corinthians 12:10


cc posters Tjayjosh, sonofthunder, donnie, GoodMuyis and Peritus who so far had responded to your post

⁹Whom shall he teach knowledge?
and whom shall he make to understand doctrine?
them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
¹⁰For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
- Isaiah 28:9-10

Wherefore the Lord said,
Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me,
but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
- Isaiah 29:13

''Precept upon precept'' in Isaiah 28:10 above, means:
the arranging or placing things in relation to each according to a particular sequence, pattern or method
(e.g. like maybe, on top of another, side by side etcetera)
That is the rule to understanding the Bible
(e.g. do an orderly arrangement of things relating to any Bible subject of interest like tongues guided by the Holy Spirit
and NOT following the order or arrangement, mentioned in Isaiah 29:13, laid by men)

Apart from repeating line upon line twice, for emphasis
''line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little'', this is self explanatory

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
- 2 Timothy 2:15

2 Timothy 2:15 is referenced above because the bible is a book of divisions
It is a book of division as it has parts for the Jew, Gentile and Church
there are some parts in the Bible where it speaks to the Jew and doesnt speak to the Gentile,
there are some parts, the Bible says to the Gentile and it didnt say to the Church etcetera

Having laid down the above (e.g. Isaiah 28:9-10, Isaiah 29:13 & Timothy 2:15),
now let's both start find out how much of 2 Timothy 2:15 you are made of

You enquired about the evidence of ''speaking in tongues'', mentioned Acts 2, 1 Corinthians 12 1 Corinthians 14, 1 Corinthians 14 etcetera,
and the below quotes which stood out like a sore thumb
''Now there is this other church I went to,
and what they teaches is that a sinner as soon as he receive Jesus can be baptised immediately and also speak in tongues,
which they also practise backing it with scriptures like''

1) Do you know that ''speaking in tongues'' or ''speak with other tongues'' as in the Bible IS NOT THE SAME AS what is widespread and generally accepted today to be?
2) Do you know why it was necessary that speaking with other tongues should occur when it occurred X amount times in the Bible?
3) Do you know what was the primary objective or goal for the time(s) that speaking with other tongues occurred in the Bible?
4) Do you know when speaking with other tongues occurred in the Bible who it was aimed at or meant for?
5a) Do you know, who or how many, on the day of Pentecost, spoke with other tongues? (i.e. give the number if not names or identities)
5b)What to your undestanding does ''speak with other tongues'' means?

¹³ Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret.
¹⁴ For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.
¹⁵ What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will
- 1 Corinthians 14:13–17

6) What is ''speaks in a tongue'' in 1 Corinthians 14:13 above all about?
7) According to GoodMuyis, three years after her conversion, his late Aunt was firing praying tongue, now with best efforts, give a demonstration, explanation and example of ''if I pray in a tongue'' as in 1 Corinthians 14:14a above
8 ) Why is it necessary that when my spirit prays my mind needs to be fruitful? (i.e. in relation to 1 Corinthians 14:14b)
9) Also give a demonstration explanation and example of praying in the spirit as in 1 Corinthians 14:15 above

²⁷If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret.
²⁸But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.
- 1 Corinthians 14:27–28

10) What do you think of 1 Corinthians 14:27–28 above, does the church you mentioned also practise backing up ''speak in a tongue'' with scriptures like these?

Those 10 will do for now, so lets have a kit-kat at this point

do all Christians with the gift of faith operate same level of faith as Smith wiggleswort?

sonofthunder:
do all Christians with the gift of faith operate same level of faith as Smith wiggleswort?

Smith Wigglesworth? SMH.
Bro don't even go there
Did you, with using ''^'' to reserve space, a couple of pages back, come here only to type this with Smith Wigglesworth fused in?

MuttleyLaff:
Bro I haven't even started yet. I couldn't because we didn't get to start because questions I posed and about to pose to you were left inadequately answered if all any attempts were made to answer them.
It is until after you've answered the question(s) that sequential ones will be asked you.
Everything I asked you about is Bible based and will be bible backed, which is why I need honest or "I don't know" answers. When I counter give the answers then do a Berean with it

Are you familiar with and understand 1 Corinthians 14:27–28?
What you make of 1 Corinthians 14:27-28?
Do you at all adhere to the instruction in 1 Corinthians 14:27-28?
Where in the Bible have you read about praying in tongues, please I need the text?

What is the most important part of Man and why?
Do you think the "thesis" on Soul etcetera was dropped in out of idleness or showing off?

I asked you what was the primary or original reason for the gift of speaking in tongues, you gave me a lame answer.

I'll soon or might give you an offer too good to refuse concerning this matter.

Normally I don't get involved but notice the reasons I gave earlier in beginning of my post.

If only you had unbiasedly read through the post, some progress would have been done

Shalom

Been quite busy sir, just read this since yesterday so sorry I didn't reply on time.

Are you familiar with and understand 1 Corinthians 14:27–28?

Ans= 1 Corinthians 14:27-28

27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. 28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.

Bro to speak in tongues is a form of spiritual communication, when you are speaking in tongues, you speak to God and no other. That is why paul asked us not to forbid speaking in tongues because no earthly language whatsoever, be it french , german, chinese, english etc can function as its just a language but speaking in tongues is speaking to God, you speak mysteries when you speak in tongues. The spirit speaks based on the will of God and not from the carnal mind and when God speaks back to you also through that tongues, its for revelation, prophesy.

Paul saying keep silent does not mean you shouldn't speak in tongues in the church, he only means if there is a prophesy from God, he that speak in tongues should also interpret for the edification of the church

Prophesy means speaking the things of God concerning what is to happen. The interpretation of tongues is usually a message from God,"prophesy"

And paul said let him speak to himself and God, means if he does not have any message from God to the church, speak to God. Don't forget I said speaking in tongues is a form of spiritual communication between an individual and God.

What you make of 1 Corinthians 14:27-28?

Ans= if you read my first answer sir, you will understand

Do you at all adhere to the instruction in 1 Corinthians 14:27-28?

Ans= Yes I do. Where I worship, we have received a prophesy like this many times. When we engage in aggressive worship in church, God passes message and instruction to us through tongues, its mostly but not all time done by someone in particular who has the gift of interpretation. What she does is, speak in tongues then interpret " which is speak in tongues and prophesy and we all are edified because we understands what God is saying to the church

And I also have started praying in tongues when I needed to go spiritual in church when prayer points is been called.


Where in the Bible have you read about praying in tongues, please I need the text?

Ans= For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. I cor 14:14

If I "PRAY", he didn't say "speak". The bible does not need to give you all the details before you u can understand this context. Its just simple and straight.


With your questions makes me really want to ask this questions because am not sure you understand the importance of tongues to a believer.

Do you at all speak in tongues?
Do you know that all gifts of the spirit is a ministry on its own?
Do you know that there is one particular gift which all believer should have? What is that gift?
Paul says desire the best gifts? What is this gift and explain it

JMG1:
Been quite busy sir, just read this since yesterday so sorry I didn't reply on time.

Are you familiar with and understand 1 Corinthians 14:27–28?

Ans= 1 Corinthians 14:27-28

27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. 28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.

Bro to speak in tongues is a form of spiritual communication, when you are speaking in tongues, you speak to God and no other. That is why paul asked us not to forbid speaking in tongues because no earthly language whatsoever, be it french , german, chinese, english etc can function as its just a language but speaking in tongues is speaking to God, you speak mysteries when you speak in tongues. The spirit speaks based on the will of God and not from the carnal mind and when God speaks back to you also through that tongues, its for revelation, prophesy.

Paul saying keep silent does not mean you shouldn't speak in tongues in the church, he only means if there is a prophesy from God, he that speak in tongues should also interpret for the edification of the church

Prophesy means speaking the things of God concerning what is to happen. The interpretation of tongues is usually a message from God,"prophesy"

And paul said let him speak to himself and God, means if he does not have any message from God to the church, speak to God. Don't forget I said speaking in tongues is a form of spiritual communication between an individual and God.

What you make of 1 Corinthians 14:27-28?

Ans= if you read my first answer sir, you will understand

Do you at all adhere to the instruction in 1 Corinthians 14:27-28?

Ans= Yes I do. Where I worship, we have received a prophesy like this many times. When we engage in aggressive worship in church, God passes message and instruction to us through tongues, its mostly but not all time done by someone in particular who has the gift of interpretation. What she does is, speak in tongues then interpret " which is speak in tongues and prophesy and we all are edified because we understands what God is saying to the church

And I also have started praying in tongues when I needed to go spiritual in church when prayer points is been called.


Where in the Bible have you read about praying in tongues, please I need the text?

Ans= For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. I Cor 14:14

If I "PRAY", he didn't say "speak". The bible does not need to give you all the details before you u can understand this context. Its just simple and straight.

With your questions makes me really want to ask this questions because am not sure you understand the importance of tongues to a believer.

Do you at all speak in tongues?
Do you know that all gifts of the spirit is a ministry on its own?
Do you know that there is one particular gift which all believer should have? What is that gift?
Paul says desire the best gifts? What is this gift and explain it

Bro I've told you before that context is king, if you read a text in isolation, you're under a pretext and pretending yourself
I have explained the context surrounding ''I pray in an unknown tongue'' and gave you the Igbo Hausa language illustration
You arent getting nothing and this is preventing me from moving on to get this thing properly started
If you dont get the basics or know the fundamentals why should I move on. How can I move on

It seems you arent used to strong meat

Trust me bro, this is a labour of love for me and done for Kingdom sake

Love, hmm, love. I am not dodging your last questions, as I want you to look into 1 Corinthians 13:8

MuttleyLaff:
Bro I've told you before that context is king, if you read a text in isolation, you're under a pretext and pretending yourself
I have explained the context surrounding ''I pray in an unknown tongue'' and gave you the Igbo Hausa language illustration
You arent getting nothing and this is preventing me from moving on to get this thing properly started
If you dont get the basics or know the fundamentals why should I move on. How can I move on

It seems you arent used to strong meat

Trust me bro, this is a labour of love for me and done for Kingdom sake

Love, hmm, love. I am not dodging your last questions, as I want you to look into 1 Corinthians 13:8

The bible is a very complex book and it can only discern it spiritually. Its not something you know at a go, like what I said earlier on, its a gradual process and I have not said I am grown, no but I want to but I need the RIGHT DIET, if not I won't.

You really can't know it all coz u missed the last question

(Love, hmm, love. I am not dodging your last questions, as I want you to look into 1 Corinthians 13:

Love is one of the fruit of the spirit bro Gal 5:22 and not a gift.

Let me share more light to it Corinthians 14:1-2
14 Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy. 2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue[a] does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

Do you note the word "especially"? Prophesy.
Now note what follows, he talks about tongues.

Interpretation of tongues spoken is the prophesy, do you realise that off all the gifts of the spirit, tongues and interpretation is the only one that paul specifically talked about. Almost a whole chapter "14"

This has been prophesy by prophet joel in joel 2:28-29
“And afterward,I will pour out my Spirit on all people.Your sons and daughters will prophesy,your old men will dream dreams,your young men will see visions. 29.Even on my servants, both men and women,I will pour out my Spirit in those days.

Peter refer back to it in acts 2:17-18
Tongues and interpretation is a gift of the spirit and its a ministry on its own. That's why paul asked us to pray that we may interpret.

In order words, Prophesy "speaking in tongues and interpretation" is the best gift of all and everyone "believer" should atleast function in this, if not in other gifts.

Shalom.....

JMG1:
The bible is a very complex book and it can only discern it spiritually. Its not something you know at a go, like what I said earlier on, its a gradual process and I have not said I am grown, no but I want to but I need the RIGHT DIET, if not I won't.

You really can't know it all coz u missed the last question

(Love, hmm, love. I am not dodging your last questions, as I want you to look into 1 Corinthians 13:8 )

Love is one of the fruit of the spirit bro Gal 5:22 and not a gift.

Let me share more light to it Corinthians 14:1-2
14 Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy. 2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue[a] does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

Do you note the word "especially"? Prophesy.
Now note what follows, he talks about tongues.

Interpretation of tongues spoken is the prophesy, do you realise that off all the gifts of the spirit, tongues and interpretation is the only one that paul specifically talked about. Almost a whole chapter "14"

This has been prophesy by prophet joel in joel 2:28-29
“And afterward,I will pour out my Spirit on all people.Your sons and daughters will prophesy,your old men will dream dreams,your young men will see visions. 29.Even on my servants, both men and women,I will pour out my Spirit in those days.

Peter refer back to it in acts 2:17-18
Tongues and interpretation is a gift of the spirit and its a ministry on its own. That's why paul asked us to pray that we may interpret.

In order words, Prophesy "speaking in tongues and interpretation" is the best gift of all and everyone "believer" should atleast function in this, if not in other gifts.

Shalom.....

Who is claiming to know it all?
Have you not heard of ''... iron sharpeth iron...''.

Please dont pull that sort of prank on me or anyone else for that matter, especially when they only were trying to give assistance

Remarks like of yours, usually comes from someone feeling intimidated and it causes alienation or withdrawal
Maybe to cause withdrawal was your plan :-)

You obviously didnt read 1 Corinthians 13:8 PROPERLY to get the understanding :-)
Without malice, you read the bible without being educated, if you did, you wouldnt have missed what is glaring in 1 Corinthians 13:8
but then you've already admitted you need the RIGHT DIET, which incidentally is either milk or falsehood
Please get your hand on as many bible translations of 1 Corinthians 13:8 you can get your hands on, and read it SLOWLY OUT LOUD
The penny might drop for you if you do it that way, when the Holy Spirit helps you spot the crucial

As say earlier, we havent even touched or made any effort yet, to deal with the misconception on tongues that you originally raised asking help
on

Shalom bro

MuttleyLaff:

Who is claiming to know it all?
Have you not heard of ''... iron sharpeth iron...''.

Please dont pull that sort of prank on me or anyone else for that matter, especially when they only were trying to give assistance

Remarks like of yours, usually comes from someone feeling intimidated and it causes alienation or withdrawal
Maybe to cause withdrawal was your plan :-)

You obviously didnt read 1 Corinthians 13:8 PROPERLY to get the understanding :-)
Without malice, you read the bible without being educated, if you did, you wouldnt have missed what is glaring in 1 Corinthians 13:8
but then you've already admitted you need the RIGHT DIET, which incidentally is either milk or falsehood
Please get your hand on as many bible translations of 1 Corinthians 13:8 you can get your hands on, and read it SLOWLY OUT LOUD
The penny might drop for you if you do it that way, when the Holy Spirit helps you spot the crucial

As say earlier, we havent even touched or made any effort yet, to deal with the misconception on tongues that you originally raised asking help
on

Shalom bro

Whewwwww, you just don't want to admit you got that wrong but asking me to look at the context. Love is not a gift of the spirit but fruit of the spirit. I ask which is the best gift paul talked about and not best fruit. Paul is just try to say without the fruit of the spirit, particularly Love , all the gifts of the spirit is worthless. Because Love covers all

I remember you and vooks had to deal with one particular issue back and forth and all the while saying the same thing but u insisted on him getting it right in your own way bfore the matter died down. Well you said something like withdrawal? Me withdraw. I'll rather watch and learn than to withdraw if I don't know anything. But with all due respect sir, you really do not know how to teach. I think you need to get the basics right.

At this junction, I will assume I don't know anything. Now back to the question I raise earlier before this whole this started. I asked that question to gain more knowledge as I didn't quite understand. Some of the brethren here explained and now I do but I don't mind if you can also put more light on it if you know. We learn everyday bro, the same scripture you think you spiritually understand is the same scripture you will question when you have a deeper understanding through the Holy Spirit.

Either, milk, meat, turkey, rice, all I need is the RIGHT DIET to keep growing. I'll never stop growing, I wish and want to know more of my Father is in heaven and dwells in me.

JMG1:
Whewwwww, you just don't want to admit you got that wrong but asking me to look at the context. Love is not a gift of the spirit but fruit of the spirit. I ask which is the best gift paul talked about and not best fruit. Paul is just try to say without the fruit of the spirit, particularly Love , all the gifts of the spirit is worthless. Because Love covers all

Bro why, why, why didn't you take to my advice to go through all translations on 1 Corinthians 13:8?

You looked at the bigger picture of that verse but missed noticing the smaller and important detail. SMH

Please do yourself a favour, read and paste here as many translations of it you can find.
Or you want me to do it for you?

JMG1:
I remember you and vooks had to deal with one particular issue back and forth and all the while saying the same thing but u insisted on him getting it right in your own way bfore the matter died down. Well you said something like withdrawal? Me withdraw. I'll rather watch and learn than to withdraw if I don't know anything. But with all due respect sir, you really do not know how to teach. I think you need to get the basics right

Here you go again, misreading and misinterpreting what I wrote same way you do with the Bible. You made your remark the way you wrote it because you subconsciously wanted to alienate me and get me to withdraw. I wasnt saying anything about you withdrawing

Also learn to stand your ground and fight your corner without needing to draw in or mentioning a third party or any other party like vooks again.

You my dear sir, is one who hasn't got a teachable spirit

JMG1:
At this junction, I will assume I don't know anything. Now back to the question I raise earlier before this whole this started. I asked that question to gain more knowledge as I didn't quite understand. Some of the brethren here explained and now I do but I don't mind if you can also put more light on it if you know. We learn everyday bro, the same scripture you think you spiritually understand is the same scripture you will question when you have a deeper understanding through the Holy Spirit.

You see, there you go with that attitude again
Please calm yourself down, farabale

JMG1:
Either, milk, meat, turkey, rice, all I need is the RIGHT DIET to keep growing. I'll never stop growing, I wish and want to know more of my Father is in heaven and dwells in me.

Sarcasm this way and in this manner, is not going to help on this matter bro. Curtail it and humble yourself. Humble, as in, real humble and not the pseudo humble one

MuttleyLaff:
Bro why, why, why didn't you take to my advice to go through all translations on 1 Corinthians 13:8?

You looked at the bigger picture of that verse but missed noticing the smaller and important detail. SMH

Please do yourself a favour, read and paste here as many translations of it you can find.
Or you want me to do it for you?

Here you go again, misreading and misinterpreting what I wrote same way you do with the Bible. You made your remark the way you wrote it because you subconsciously wanted to alienate me and get me to withdraw. I wasnt saying anything about you withdrawing

Also learn to stand your ground and fight your corner without needing to draw in or mentioning a third party or any other party like vooks again.

You my dear sir, is one who hasn't got a teachable spirit


You see, there you go with that attitude again
Please calm yourself down, farabale

Sarcasm this way and in this manner, is not going to help on this matter bro. Curtail it and humble yourself. Humble, as in, real humble and not the pseudo humble one

Brother, at my end here I smile mostly when am even typying my reply. Humility is what makes me say I won't stop growing but the truth is that you are not giving me what I need. Don't get me wrong, I didn't say am not learning but your method of teaching is what I have issues with.

you are still asking me to look at diff translation. This is just simple english question. I understand the context in 1cor 13:8 but my question was based on gifts, I didn't ask question relating gifts with fruits

"Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away."

All paul mention are gifts of the spirit except Love which is the fruit. Do you know you don't have to have either of the gifts of the spirit untill you bear all the fruits of the spirit. You can possess some gifts of the spirit but might not bear much fruits but without the fruits particulary Love, it won't last.

Either small or big picture bro, my question was based on best gifts which I already analyse and not the fruit. If it was an exam you were writting, you would have missed it for sure. Humble yourself bro and admit that you were wrong and stop trying to bail yourself out with the fruit of the spirit

But I still Love you with the Love of Christ sha. Shalom to you

JMG1:
Brother, at my end here I smile mostly when am even typying my reply. Humility is what makes me say I won't stop growing but the truth is that you are not giving me what I need. Don't get me wrong, I didn't say am not learning but your method of teaching is what I have issues with

Trust me bro, I am smiling too
and I was talking about pseudo humility, remember

JMG1:

you are still asking me to look at diff translation. This is just simple english question. I understand the context in 1cor 13:8 but my question was based on gifts, I didn't ask question relating gifts with fruits

"Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away."

Good, Remember "precept upon precept, line on line, line on line, a little there, a little there"? Well remember I mentioned this rule at the beginning. That is how I started, but you were and are lagging behind.

OK define and give me your understanding of "stilled"

Besides again, context is king, be mindful of the text background and all.

JMG1:
All paul mention are gifts of the spirit except Love which is the fruit. Do you know you don't have to have either of the gifts of the spirit untill you bear all the fruits of the spirit. You can possess some gifts of the spirit but might not bear much fruits but without the fruits particulary Love, it won't last.

Either small or big picture bro, my question was based on best gifts which I already analyse and not the fruit. If it was an exam you were writting, you would have missed it for sure. Humble yourself bro and admit that you were wrong and stop trying to bail yourself out with the fruit of the spirit

But I still Love you with the Love of Christ sha. Shalom to you

Context bro. Context. Regardless all, I wont and never will stop loving you bro :-)

MuttleyLaff:
Trust me bro, I am smiling too
and I was talking about pseudo humility, remember

Good, Remember "precept upon precept, line on line, line on line, a little there, a little there"? Well remember I mentioned this rule at the beginning. That is how I started, but you were and are lagging behind.

OK define and give me your understanding of "stilled"

Besides again, context is king, be mindful of the text background and all.

Context bro. Context. Regardless all, I wont and never will stop loving you bro :-)

To let this matter rest, I'll give you what you want.

"Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away."

Prophesy cease to come, tongues become still and knowledge "WILL" fade. Above all Love never fails. Since God is love, we should desire Love more than all this gifts.

I still hold on to the fact that Love is a fruit of the spirit and I was specifically asking about the gift but I'll let it skip.

I as a person even tho I desire much spiritual gift, I rather bear much more fruits of the spirit. Christ like attitude and character is the key and this I pray for everyday, to live a Christ like life.


Meanwhile this trend is dry today ooo, it seems people are just hanging in the corner viewing and learning from the very Teacher MuttleyLaff in 3D

MuttleyLaff:

Smith Wigglesworth? SMH.
Bro don't even go there
Did you, with using ''^'' to reserve space, a couple of pages back, come here only to type this with Smith Wigglesworth fused in?

you think I could not have easily mentioned Paul, Jesus Christ or pastor Chris?

MuttleyLaff:

Who is claiming to know it all?
Have you not heard of ''... iron sharpeth iron...''.

Please dont pull that sort of prank on me or anyone else for that matter, especially when they only were trying to give assistance

Remarks like of yours, usually comes from someone feeling intimidated and it causes alienation or withdrawal
Maybe to cause withdrawal was your plan :-)

You obviously didnt read 1 Corinthians 13:8 PROPERLY to get the understanding :-)
Without malice, you read the bible without being educated, if you did, you wouldnt have missed what is glaring in 1 Corinthians 13:8
but then you've already admitted you need the RIGHT DIET, which incidentally is either milk or falsehood
Please get your hand on as many bible translations of 1 Corinthians 13:8 you can get your hands on, and read it SLOWLY OUT LOUD
The penny might drop for you if you do it that way, when the Holy Spirit helps you spot the crucial

As say earlier, we havent even touched or made any effort yet, to deal with the misconception on tongues that you originally raised asking help
on

Shalom bro

I have followed the conversation bwt you and JMG1 with keen interest.

I only have few questions for you sir:

1. How did u know JMG1 is under delusion and not really speaking in tongues?

2. Are you saying the Bible is against speaking in tongues, going by yuor question of the record of speaking in tongues in the Bible?

3. Going by your theological analysis of the body, soul and spirit, does that mean speaking in tongues comes from the body to the soul to the spirit and back to the body via the spirit?

4. Is it wrong to pray in tongues? Jude: 20: "but you beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit.

5. 1 Cor 13:8 "prophecy and speaking in unknown languages will become useless but love will last forever" (NLT) but the same Paul also said: 1 Cor 14: 5: "I wish you could all speak in tongues, but even more I wish you could all prophesy. In my little understanding, Paul was only emphasizing more on Love. You can expantiate.

JMG1:
To let this matter rest, I'll give you what you want.

You owe me nothing to give bro

JMG1:
"Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away."

Prophesy cease to come, tongues become still and knowledge "WILL" fade. Above all Love never fails. Since God is love, we should desire Love more than all this gifts.

''Since God is love, we should desire Love more than all this gifts'' is your conclusion. I never, didnt and wasnt engaging you about gifts
You brought up the issue about talking in a foreign language (i.e. speak in a tongue) and so speaking in a foreign language has been the core of our exchanges, at least mine if speaking for myself alone because I noticed you drifting on gifts at any slightest chance

I was not into love, nor shoving ''... God is love, we should desire Love more than all this gifts''down anyone who wants to hear throats. That was you again, misunderstanding, misinterpreting and second-guessing me

JMG1:
I still hold on to the fact that Love is a fruit of the spirit and I was specifically asking about the gift but I'll let it skip

You see yourself again, there you go on about Love etcetera. I think you're confused and wasnt said in malice

JMG1:
I as a person even tho I desire much spiritual gift, I rather bear much more fruits of the spirit. Christ like attitude and character is the key and this I pray for everyday, to live a Christ like life.

Meanwhile this trend is dry today ooo, it seems people are just hanging in the corner viewing and learning from the very Teacher MuttleyLaff in 3D

FYI, fruit of the Spirit is singular, not ''fruits'' plural
You havent been useful kind with all those sneering, and you desire more of the fruit of the Spirit. This is like an orange tree desiring to sprout apple fruits

When a person resorts to name-calling like bro's done just now, it is obvious he had in that moment abandoned humility & courtesy in favor of maligning & insolence. issorite carry on

''By the grace of God, I was able to interpret/prophesy my tongues to a few group of people when I concentrated more on tongues from my spirit and I have also received revelations from God from tongues as well.
Yes most times my understanding is unfruitful but I admit that am growing and am also praying to be able to interpret as am suppose to''
- JMG1

Since you havent answered the additional questions are put to you, would it be wise to ask further question concerning the above quote
Does the above quote look familiar to you?
Please indulge me and honestly too, out of curiousty, who were the people in '' I was able to interpret/prophesy my tongues to a few group of people''?

sonofthunder:
you think I could not have easily mentioned Paul, Jesus Christ or pastor Chris?

Whatever floats your boat bro

holahmihdeh:
I have followed the conversation bwt you and JMG1 with keen interest.

My sister, I dont think you really have followed it keenly enough. To follow exchanges is fun but doing proper observation or examining is boring and I guess that is why people cherry pick and stay off the hot potato questions in the exchanges

holahmihdeh:
I only have few questions for you sir:

Why dont you first offer to answer the 10 starting questions and if necessary, the additional ones too, I initially asked JMG1, instead of this soliciting

holahmihdeh:
1. How did u know JMG1 is under delusion and not really speaking in tongues?

It's not brain surgery, sorry about the pun. OK, let's just say it's not rocket science

holahmihdeh:
2. Are you saying the Bible is against speaking in tongues, going by your question of the record of speaking in tongues in the Bible?

No I dont, never in the slightest suggested that. It just proves what I said, you havent followed the exchanges with keen interest but followed it rather with vested interest

holahmihdeh:
3. Going by your theological analysis of the body, soul and spirit, does that mean speaking in tongues comes from the body to the soul to the spirit and back to the body via the spirit?

Again, if you really followed, you would have figured out the reason why I had to bring in the extensive ''thesis'' on soul in relation to ''my understanding is unfruitful'' or ''my mind profit not'' and intelligible or coherent words (i.e. 1 Corinthians 14:13-15 and 1 Corinthians 14:19)

holahmihdeh:
4. Is it wrong to pray in tongues? Jude: 20: "but you beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit.

Let me edit your question and turn it back on you
Is it wrong to pray in languages? No
Is it wrong to pray in gibberish? Yes

Sister are you sure, 110% sure ''pray in tongues'' verbatim is in the Bible
Jude 1:20 is not saying ''pray in tongues'' now

Since when did ''praying in the Holy Spirit'' turn to mean ''pray in a coherent intelligible meaningful foreign language''?

That is not what ''praying in the Holy Spirit.'' is or is about
You would now appreciate why I brought up the body, soul and spirit.
What I didnt add, though I seriously wanted to but couldnt because the whole write was overwhelming already as it was, is that:
The body is worldly conscious and relates to the environment
The soul is self conscious and relates to self & others
The spirit is God conscious and relates to God

holahmihdeh:
5. 1 Cor 13:8 "prophecy and speaking in unknown languages will become useless but love will last forever" (NLT) but the same Paul also said: 1 Cor 14: 5: "I wish you could all speak in tongues, but even more I wish you could all prophesy. In my little understanding, Paul was only emphasizing more on Love. You can expantiate.

Like I told JMG1, I didnt venture on to Love, though it helps my corner, I am not interested as contextually it has nothing to do with the genesis or core of this discourse, so please dont bring in a red herring. Yeah they are wishes. Paul wished, it is not Paul ordering a do or die
Sorry, I will no can do expantiate, because it is distracting and moving away from the core and original of what JMG1 brought up

"You are beautiful beyond description.
Too marvellous for words.
Too wonderful for comprehension.
Like nothing ever seen or heard....

Who can match your infinite wisdom?
Who can fathom the depths of your love?


You are beautiful beyond description.
Majesty enthroned above.


Chorus:

I stand, I stand in awe of you.
Lord I stand, I stand in awe of you.
Holy Lord to you all my praise is due.
I stand in awe of you".

(please help correct lyrics if any part is wrong)

Just about now while I was speaking to God, I wanted to start complaining about some of my little problems and challenges.
But as soon as I was about to do that, the Holy Spirit brought this song to my heart.


I don't know why He did that. I have not even sang this song in a very long tine. But I can tell from the lyrics of the song that God wanted me to praise & worship Him and forget about my problems.
God wanted me to realize that most of these things I call problems are things He has orchestrated to bring glory in my life.


God wants us to praise Him even in good and bad times. Be encouraged to know that whatever it is you are going through, God will surely deliver you from it. Whether the challenge is spiritual or physical or financial or health wise or in marriage/courtship or seeking for a child or for a new job, God knows your fears. But do not be afraid for your time is near.


After singing this song, I remembered my challenge again and fear struck my heart a little bit. But I quickly remembered this tactic of satan. That is what he does when you're praising God even when you have challenges.
This makes the devil furious because he knows that your joy and praises to God will move God's heart to quickly bring about that blessing in your life.


Who can fathom the wisdom of God?
Who can search the depth of His love?

These are powerful lyrics and that song is very powerful. If you sing it from the depth of your heart with sincerity, it will move the heart of God.

Stand strong in your faith. Do not be shaken by the storm. It is only a test. If only peter had overlooked the angry storm he would have walked on water like Jesus.

Overlook your storm and look up unto Jesus the Author and Finisher of your faith.

Praise be unto God in the highest for He is good and His mercies endures forever.


God bless you all.

MuttleyLaff:
Whatever floats your boat bro

and the question?

CharlyG1:
"You are beautiful beyond description.
Too marvellous for words.
Too wonderful for comprehension.
Like nothing ever seen or heard....

Who can match your infinite wisdom?
Who can fathom the depths of your love?


You are beautiful beyond description.
Majesty enthroned above.


Chorus:

I stand, I stand in awe of you.
Lord I stand, I stand in awe of you.
Holy Lord to you all my praise is due.
I stand in awe of you".

(please help correct lyrics if any part is wrong)

Just about now while I was speaking to God, I wanted to start complaining about some of my little problems and challenges.
But as soon as I was about to do that, the Holy Spirit brought this song to my heart.


I don't know why He did that. I have not even sang this song in a very long tine. But I can tell from the lyrics of the song that God wanted me to praise & worship Him and forget about my problems.
God wanted me to realize that most of these things I call problems are things He has orchestrated to bring glory in my life.


God wants us to praise Him even in good and bad times. Be encouraged to know that whatever it is you are going through, God will surely deliver you from it. Whether the challenge is spiritual or physical or financial or health wise or in marriage/courtship or seeking for a child or for a new job, God knows your fears. But do not be afraid for your time is near.


After singing this song, I remembered my challenge again and fear struck my heart a little bit. But I quickly remembered this tactic of satan. That is what he does when you're praising God even when you have challenges.
This makes the devil furious because he knows that your joy and praises to God will move God's heart to quickly bring about that blessing in your life.


Who can fathom the wisdom of God?
Who can search the depth of His love?

These are powerful lyrics and that song is very powerful. If you sing it from the depth of your heart with sincerity, it will move the heart of God.

Stand strong in your faith. Do not be shaken by the storm. It is only a test. If only peter had overlooked the angry storm he would have walked on water like Jesus.

Overlook your storm and look up unto Jesus the Author and Finisher of your faith.

Praise be unto God in the highest for He is good and His mercies endures forever.


God bless you all.

God bleSs you sir. This indeed lifted up my soul. The thief mission is only to steal, kill or destroy but Christ Jesus Who has overcome has given us a more abundant life. We need to realise Jesus has overcome for us and because he lives in us, we are more than a conqueror. We should rather praise and worship the Creator for the suffering we might be going through, spiritually, physically or financially can not be compared to the Glory that will be reveal in us. God bless you again sir

sonofthunder:
and the question?

Have you mistaken threads for the other? What question?

MuttleyLaff:
You owe me nothing to give bro

''Since God is love, we should desire Love more than all this gifts'' is your conclusion. I never, didnt and wasnt engaging you about gifts
You brought up the issue about talking in a foreign language (i.e. speak in a tongue) and so speaking in a foreign language has been the core of our exchanges, at least mine if speaking for myself alone because I noticed you drifting on gifts at any slightest chance

I was not into love, nor shoving ''... God is love, we should desire Love more than all this gifts''down anyone who wants to hear throats. That was you again, misunderstanding, misinterpreting and second-guessing me

You see yourself again, there you go on about Love etcetera. I think you're confused and wasnt said in malice

FYI, fruit of the Spirit is singular, not ''fruits'' plural
You havent been useful kind with all those sneering, and you desire more of the fruit of the Spirit. This is like an orange tree desiring to sprout apple fruits

When a person resorts to name-calling like bro's done just now, it is obvious he had in that moment abandoned humility & courtesy in favor of maligning & insolence. issorite carry on

''By the grace of God, I was able to interpret/prophesy my tongues to a few group of people when I concentrated more on tongues from my spirit and I have also received revelations from God from tongues as well.
Yes most times my understanding is unfruitful but I admit that am growing and am also praying to be able to interpret as am suppose to''
- JMG1

Since you havent answered the additional questions are put to you, would it be wise to ask further question concerning the above quote
Does the above quote look familiar to you?
Please indulge me and honestly too, out of curiousty, who were the people in '' I was able to interpret/prophesy my tongues to a few group of people''?

Sorry bro av not really had time to check or reply since my last post yesterday. Work and other things been eating up my time.

Brother, so many confusion in your method of explaining the Word which the Holy Spirit should be allowed to help discern spiritually and not by human wisdom. Your method seems like one who's gone/going to a theological school and trying to bring what you have been taught on here.

Not saying a theological school isn't good as I seriously wish to go as well to be grounded in the Word but as one is doing that, we also need to involve the Holy Spirit to give a deep revelation concerning the Word of God.

Am sorry to say this sir but there is a trait of arrogance in your teaching and the way you give replies.

Lots of wonderful brethren who have been contributing on here teach and explain the Word with all decency and humility and even when they reply a post, they do that with all caution rephrasing the post been quoted with better explanation and calmness

I'll give an example, its just me"assume am the student" trying to analyse something to you"assume you the teacher" but you as the teacher thinks you know it all and have better understand not bringing yourself down to learn from the student who thinks you were wrong in a way and trying to give an explanation forgetting that one can learn something far great from the student.

Because you think you know more of tongues and interpretation and can discern the wonderful Word of God with all wisdom judge me, accuse me of speaking gillberish"not speaking in tongues" and been under the delusion of something I don't know.

With all due respect sir Who are you to judge me from my post and say I don't speak in tongues.

Thank God am a born again Christian filled with the Holy Spirit, if not I'll have started thinking you were right about me speaking nonsense.

Infact I almost believed you but the One Who lives in me greater than any other thing or person in the world assured me He is in me and always will be given me the confidence to say with all boastfulness that I have God in me and I speak in tongues of man and angel.

Guess what brother, I spoke/prayed to my father in tongues this morning. Hahahahaha filled with Joy in me.

I give thanks unto the Lord for He, for He is good. His mercies endures forever.

My last post and comment concerning this. God bless you brother and I pray the Holy Spirit help you to bear more of the fruit of the Spirit

But before I post, lemme share what the Holy Spirit reveal to again about tongues.

When God created adam, it was the spirit language Adam was communication with to God in the garden of eden before the fall.

Even after the fall, God only prophesy concerning the curse on Adam but He didn't take away this language until God confused our language when they wanted to build the tower.

This tongues is our natural(when I say natural, I mean natural to our spirit) language right from time, its only become a big deal/sign to us because of the fall and also because God has given to us back our spirit natural language through the Holy Spirit

"Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. Gen11:1"

The Whole earth had ONE language&Speech, can you see that?

Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”Gen 11:4

they communicated with this same ONE language to build a tower and they almost did.

When we are being baptised in the Holy Ghost and can speak in tongues, individual tongues might sound different but its still One and the same tongues to God.
We all receive the same spirit as a believer and the same spirit gives us One language which makes us one

 "But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Gen 11:5-6"

Did you see what God said? If as ONE, they speak ONE language, please specifically note this:- NOTHING THEY PLAN TO DO WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM.

Ohhhh Myyyyy God, as I was studying the tongues, Holy Spirit took me back to this and was amazed when the revelation of this passage in the scripture was given to me. This is a supernatural utterances bro and not english or any language on earth, this is a supernatural language.

Speaking in tongues is a supernatural utterance, this tongues makes God to break in pieces the gates of bronze and cut the bars of iron. It breaks in to any bondage whatsoever, there is nothing you ask for when you pray in tongues that won't be done because the spirit prays concerning the Will of God and with Power.

" Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other. Gen 11:7"

What happened here? God took the language of POWER that can break any barrier and gave them other different languages.

What I explained here bro is what they call revelation of the Word by the Holy Spirit and not human wisdom.

Advice to those who desire to speak in tongues. Hunger for righteousness and desire to speak and you will be given this gift.

For those who do, please I advice we don't stop nor forbid to speak. Pray and sing in tongues as much as you like, the more you pray in tongues, the more answers to all your request and not only just answers but manifestation of this answers as NOTHING YOU DESIRE AND ASK WHEN YOU PRAY IN THE SPIRIT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO HAVE. Also pray that you may interpret for paul says He who prophesy is greater than who speaks so we all should desire to interpret

God bless us all and I still love you with the love of Christ bro MuttleyLaff