Henry240:


"On the procurement of befitting helicopters to enable the
full takeoff of the NAAC project, the COAS said the army had
compiled a list of platforms from Russia, America and
Chinese origins which include their stimulator and UAVs. He
however noted that emphasis was made on Russian-made
Mi-17 due to its “ruggedness, operability and multi-role
capability.”
“Different contractors submitted their proposals for supply
which are still being considered."



Nigerian army favours Russian made helicopters.


The T-129 fires a gatling 20mm gun. More power, more kinetic energy, and can hit targets 5km away unlike the less powerful Half-French.



The Nigerian army and the Nigerian air force aren't the same thing you dunce. We are discussing the Nigerian Army Aviation Corps, not the Air Force.

No, up until now Nigeria could only afford Russian helicopters.

Same article says they want the Rooivalk

Uhh... henry lets not make unsubstantiated claims about the gun on the ATAK

Henry240:


Helos engage targets while carrying out Strafing runs. This is a basic military tactic.

Why invest billions of dollars investing in missiles that can engage from 5+ km and guns with equipment to engage from 3+ km if they would do strafing runs?

Brah

Patchesagain:


No, up until now Nigeria could only afford Russian helicopters.

Same article says they want the Rooivalk

Uhh... henry lets not make unsubstantiated claims about the gun on the ATAK

Russian Helos are favoured because the are rugged and are basically built like tanks. This is the exact same reason why the Nigerian Army, like the Air Force also favours Russian helos.


The article say they watched are demonstration but the Army also clearly states it clearly fancies Russian Helos such as the MI-17.


Read boy...... It isn't illegal yet.


"Unsubstantiated?"..... Are you high?

Patchesagain:


Why invest billions of dollars investing in missiles that can engage from 5+ km and guns with equipment to engage from 3+ km if they would do strafing runs?

Brah

The Helicopter's primary weapon is it's main gun, which is usually a chin mounted 30mm or dual 25mm not a single less powerful 20 mm.


Missiles are a secondary armament, strafing runs are a basic military tactic. As the enemy could also possess AAs.


It's the exact same reason why soldiers shoot and duck or fire from concealed positions.

SOUTH AFRICAN NATIONAL DEFENCE FORCE

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=43047:south-african-acirc-commitment-will-have-uavs-and-limited-logistic-support&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

[b]"The SA National Defence Force’s (SANDF) Joint Operations Division (JOps) has told Parliament a pair of tactical UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) is among the resources available for ACIRC (African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises).

This is a stopgap force backed by South Africa until such time as the African Union African Standby Force (ASF) is operational.

In its presentation to Parliament’s Joint Standing Committee on Defence, JOps said the tactical UAVs, not identified but believed to be Seeker 400s, will be supplied to ACIRC by Defence Intelligence (DI) with 10 personnel assigned and the rider that this specific component of the deployment still has to be confirmed.

Speculation has been rife in military circles that the unnamed “local customer” Denel Dynamics said was acquiring Seeker 400 UAVs is DI. Similarly the company has not been prepared to divulge exact numbers but it is believed the order is either for four or six complete UAV systems. The confirmation to the portfolio committee that UAVs are part of South Africa’s commitment to ACIRC is the first public acknowledgement of where the systems are going."[/b]

[img]http://metalworkingnews.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Ind-News-Seeker-2.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.africanaerospace.aero/media/images/stories/Seeker%20400.jpg[/img]

Henry240:


Russian Helos are favoured because the are rugged and are basically built like tanks. This is the exact same reason why the Nigerian Army, like the Air Force also favours Russian helos.


The article say they watched are demonstration but the Army also clearly states it clearly fancies Russian Helos such as the MI-17.


Read boy...... It isn't illegal yet.


"Unsubstantiated?"..... Are you high?

1. Nigeria favours them because they are cheap

2. You are considering the Rooivalk

3. Yes, unsubstantiated, you are making claims and not backing them up

Henry240:


The Helicopter's primary weapon is it's main gun, which is usually a chin mounted 30mm or dual 25mm not a single less powerful 20 mm.


Missiles are a secondary armament, strafing runs are a basic military tactic. As the enemy could also possess AAs.


It's the exact same reason why soldiers shoot and duck or fire from concealed positions.

1. A helos primary weapon is not its chin mounted gun, are you insane?

2. You sung the praises of the ATAK when Nigeria was linked to it, and it only has a 20mm. The fact that it is a minigun is irrelevant - it fires one round at a time, just like the Rooivalk

3. Helos dont do strafing runs specifically because the enemy could posses AA. You engage from stand-off distance

Yes, much like soldiers shoot and duck or fire from cover, attack helicopters do the exact same thing, using the lay of the land for concealment

You just agreed with me dude!

Patchesagain:


1. A helos primary weapon is not its chin mounted gun, are you insane?

2. You sung the praises of the ATAK when Nigeria was linked to it, and it only has a 20mm. The fact that it is a minigun is irrelevant - it fires one round at a time, just like the Rooivalk

3. Helos dont do strafing runs specifically because the enemy could posses AA. You engage from stand-off distance

Yes, much like soldiers shoot and duck or fire from cover, attack helicopters do the exact same thing, using the lay of the land for concealment

You just agreed with me dude!

1. A helos primary weapon is it's chin mounted 30mm. This is it's primary weapon of engagement.


2. That Helicopter and the Rooivalk should not be. mentioned in the same sentence. The T-129 is light years ahead of the half-french in capabilities and performance. A Gatlin gun is more powerful than a single barrel gun and the T-129 can engage targets in excess of 5km.


3. All helos conduct strafing runs In combat. All Helos, except those piloted by poorly trained South-Africans. All Helicopters fire and break as a common military maneuver.


They break, that's how the avoid radar lock-on. They don't hover and fire you fool.

Patchesagain:


1. Nigeria favours them because they are cheap

2. You are considering the Rooivalk

3. Yes, unsubstantiated, you are making claims and not backing them up

1. It is favoured because they are Rugged. Common sense tells me that if you read the article it clearly states why they are favoured.


2. We are not, our mind is set on Russian, Chinese or American.


3. Proven in combat, a little research would furnish you with the info which is widely available.

Henry240:


1. A helos primary weapon is it's chin mounted 30mm. This is it's primary weapon of engagement.


2. That Helicopter and the Rooivalk should not be. mentioned in the same sentence. The T-129 is light years ahead of the half-french in capabilities and performance. A Gatlin gun is more powerful than a single barrel gun and the T-129 can engage targets in excess of 5km.


3. All helos conduct strafing runs In combat. All Helos, except those piloted by poorly trained South-Africans. All Helicopters fire and break as a common military maneuver.


They break, that's how the avoid radar lock-on. They don't hover and fire you fool.

Henry you're just making up false facts to continue your retarrded argument.....The undeniable truth, is the moment you hear Nigeria has acquired the Rooivalk you'll instantly Jiz in your pants.

jln115:

Henry you're just making up false facts to continue your retarrded argument.....The undeniable truth, is the moment you hear Nigeria has acquired the Rooivalk you'll instantly Jiz in your pants.

How would Nigeria order a helicopter which doesn't exist?

Henry240:


How would Nigeria order a helicopter which doesn't exist?

hahahhahahhhahhahahhhhhahhaaaaaah

Laugh wan kill me.

Is the MB339 in storage or are they being upgraded?

Henry240:


How would Nigeria order a helicopter which doesn't exist?

Go ask your Generals, as they seem to want it!!

Henry240:


1. A helos primary weapon is it's chin mounted 30mm. This is it's primary weapon of engagement.


2. That Helicopter and the Rooivalk should not be. mentioned in the same sentence. The T-129 is light years ahead of the half-french in capabilities and performance. A Gatlin gun is more powerful than a single barrel gun and the T-129 can engage targets in excess of 5km.


3. All helos conduct strafing runs In combat. All Helos, except those piloted by poorly trained South-Africans. All Helicopters fire and break as a common military maneuver.


They break, that's how the avoid radar lock-on. They don't hover and fire you fool.

1. Citation needed

2. How is a gatling gun more powerfull? It fires one round at a time just like the rooivalk

3. Again, you make a statement without substantiation.

Why would they "break" when they could engage from ranges beyond most MANPADS? Why fly into danger when you can engage from outside of it?

You have provided nothing new to the discussion other than pointlessly repeating yourself.

Henry240:


1. It is favoured because they are Rugged. Common sense tells me that if you read the article it clearly states why they are favoured.


2. We are not, our mind is set on Russian, Chinese or American.


3. Proven in combat, a little research would furnish you with the info which is widely available.

1. Because they are cheap

2. Not what the articles says

3. I have done my research:

The AH-64A Apache was
the most potent of this generation. Tactics involved
primarily ‘nap of the earth’ very low altitude flight
to stay out of the envelope of the ZSU-23/4P, ZU-57
SPAAGs, the 9K33 / SA-8 Gecko and Strela 10 / SA-
13 Gecko SAM systems, and ‘pop-up’ engagement
manoeuvres from behind concealment to shoot
against advancing armoured formations. The
helicopter would hover behind terrain, rising to
acquire the target with a thermal imaging sight,
fire its missiles, and once the engagement was
complete, drop back behind cover and move
to another firing location to avoid indirect fire
weapons like howitzers and heavy mortars.

Argument over

Hind is trash confirmed

Henry240:


How would Nigeria order a helicopter which doesn't exist?

The Rooivalk doesnt exist?

Henry240:


How would Nigeria order a helicopter which doesn't exist?

The Rooivalk didn't put itself on the list. Your generals did. Your only legitimate complaint is that you can't afford it. You're paupers.

DieVluit:


The Rooivalk didn't put itself on the list. Your generals did. Your only legitimate complaint is that you can't afford it. You're paupers.

The same Helicopters your airr force can't even Afford. Cool story bro!!

Henry240:


The same Helicopters your airr force can't even Afford. Cool story bro!!

Lol

Desperation

Russia sell this baby also , nigeria can by the mi 28NE, no ?

chkil:
Russia sell this baby also , nigeria can by the mi 28NE, no ?

You mean the helicopter that is so good, it crashed 2 days after its first operational combat deployment?

It also managed to kill 2 pilots in doing so...

Patchesagain:


You mean the helicopter that is so good, it crashed 2 days after its first operational combat deployment?

It also managed to kill 2 pilots in doing so...

first he wasn't shoot it was for technical reasons , the mi 28 is used in syria since nov 2015 , and its only the third accident for the history of mi28 , one in aerobatic manoeuvre show (2011) and two for technical reasons .

there is no plane or helicopter that never crashed , if you want to see the AH 64 apach crash juste google it , so yes i think the mi 28 will be the better choice by far for nigerian air force

chkil:


first he wasn't shoot it was for technical reasons , the mi 28 is used in syria since nov 2015 , and its only the third accident for the history of mi28 , one in aerobatic manoeuvre show (2011) and two for technical reasons .

there is no plane or helicopter that never crashed , if you want to see the AH 64 apach crash juste google it , so yes i think the mi 28 will be the better choice by far for nigerian air force

Thanks for your contribution bro.

Some people think attack helicopter is meant for repelling rebel groups carrying light arms. ROOIVALK has never seen battle and they hardly even fly so what do you expect.

iblawi:


Thanks for your contribution bro.

Some people think attack helicopter is meant for repelling rebel groups carrying light arms. ROOIVALK has never seen battle and they hardly even fly so what do you expect.

Foolish ignorance is bliss right.

You intentionally forget that its today the most preferred means of escort in the DRC UN/MONUSCO and FIB operations.

The usual jealousy expected from Nigerians, nothing new.

iblawi:


Some people think attack helicopter is meant for repelling rebel groups carrying light arms. ROOIVALK has never seen battle and they hardly even fly so what do you expect.

Rooivalk in DRC

- averaging 40 hours per month in DRC (total of 1 163.3 hours flown in DRC alone)
- 25 hours of combat (over 12 combat sorties)
- 200 rockets fired
- 600 cannon rounds fired
- UNs recon asset of choice (day or night)
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=42261

So despite what you have claimed: Rooivalk flies plenty, and it has seen plenty combat.

Pic related, m23 heavy machine guns

Patchesagain:


Rooivalk in DRC

- averaging 40 hours per month in DRC (total of 1 163.3 hours flown in DRC alone)
- 25 hours of combat (over 12 combat sorties)
- 200 rockets fired
- 600 cannon rounds fired
- UNs recon asset of choice (day or night)
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=42261

So despite what you have claimed: Rooivalk flies plenty, and it has seen plenty combat.

Pic related, m23 heavy machine guns

We all know South Africans for falsifying figures.

Making noise as if their is another attack helicopter within the region. Would they have preferred the puma or A109 helicopters. Tell us the state of the helicopters owned by other militaries within that region. Was any 1 bought recently? How well do they maintain their helicopters.

For your information, we are comparing MI28 ka50, MI35M. Tell us if any of those is in Congo where UN preferred the rooivalk to other helicopters.

A one eyed man is always the King in the midst of blind men. That is what the rooivalk is in congo.

snydergp1st:


Foolish ignorance is bliss right.

You intentionally forget that its today the most preferred means of escort in the DRC UN/MONUSCO and FIB operations.

The usual jealousy expected from Nigerians, nothing new.

Rooivalk a one eyed man in the midst of blind men.

Patchesagain:


Rooivalk in DRC

- averaging 40 hours per month in DRC (total of 1 163.3 hours flown in DRC alone)
- 25 hours of combat (over 12 combat sorties)
- 200 rockets fired
- 600 cannon rounds fired
- UNs recon asset of choice (day or night)
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=42261

So despite what you have claimed: Rooivalk flies plenty, and it has seen plenty combat.

Pic related, m23 heavy machine guns

with all respect to Rooivalk weach is a good helicopter but we can't compare with russian industry and experience, its nice that UN use some rooivalk in RDC (40 hours per month) ! but rooivalk just start when russian society design helicopter and aircraft from the beginning of aernotic and invented most concepts used now and operate all aroud the world and many wars and conflict , still a long road for south africa to catch geants like russia and usa .

iblawi:


[s]We all know South Africans for falsifying figures.

Making noise as if their is another attack helicopter within the region. Would they have preferred the puma or A109 helicopters. Tell us the state of the helicopters owned by other militaries within that region. Was any 1 bought recently? How well do they maintain their helicopters.

For your information, we are comparing MI28 ka50, MI35M. Tell us if any of those is in Congo where UN preferred the rooivalk to other helicopters.

A one eyed man is always the King in the midst of blind men. That is what the rooivalk is in congo[/s]

Lol, if you are losing an argument, dont forget to shout "all your evidence is propaganda!"

Also, no, we are not talking about other helicopters in the region.

You said:

A. Rooivalks hardly fly
B. They have not seen combat

I have proven both to be false.

Meanwhile, the Mi28 crashed and killed its crew only days after its first combat mission.


This discussion is over.