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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by yaronjos(m): 12:36pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
Construction changes are often inevitable.....mostly headroom, doors and window positions and should usually be with the consent of the Architect.....any major changes most be approved in written by the architect....always work with ur architect in the future.... |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by erico2k2(m): 12:38pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
oapeleo:What calculation? The velocity of free falling object is constant. I love you to sample some that calculation you chatting about. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by erico2k2(m): 12:40pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
EngrEltolad:I think you talking about quacks and DIYers like me. 1 Like |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Numberz(m): 12:50pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
oapeleo: Op, the above quoted puts your competence into very precarious position (no insults intended please). For God's sake 70% I happen to be in the industry & my deduction from above is; it's either you were too fast at setting up your "PP" or partners with "quacks". Check this; An Architect designs, Client approves, Structural engineer gets to work & in the case of an impossibility/or unnecessary organized chaos reverts back to Architect for clarification/correction/redesign/brainstorming, Mechanical engineer gets to work, Electrical engineer gets to work, Drawing goes back to Architect for harmony & in the case of ambiguity, the professional(s) indicted gets back to work, The Landscape expert/or Architect finishes up, The Architect then submits the said drawing for onward approvals!!! My "brother" with this your 70% is only left with gigantic question mark! 2 Likes |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Nobody: 1:02pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
erico2k2: Ok. First if you choose to use a collector. Calculate the weight of water in the collector. You can get weight using density formula and volume from the area. If the weight is too much for your collector, then increase its size or the material. And to velocity, if you did your fluid mechanics well, you will know Velocity changes when there is a change in area. And to balance the flow, the inlet velocity has to be equal to the outlet velocity. This will help you choose the appropriate number of outlet pipes, their sizes and spacing. In case you decide to make a reservoir out of the water. Then you need to read on Catchment area and reservoir size. Google it. Stay blessed 1 Like |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by shine12: 1:04pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
AreOnaKakanfo: Sure, I was just saying. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by CASTOSVILLA(m): 1:11pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
jojoki:E pain you? sorry o! |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Numberz(m): 1:21pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
oapeleo: Bro, can you give a brief history of this design? Look if you're in Benin sorry but most of the designs over there are literarily "lifted". What makes a firm "well known"? Father's name or a link with a known politician Look there are processes leading to mobilization to site in a standard contract in Nigeria. Try & read STANDARD FORM OF BUILDING CONTRACT IN NIGERIA, also CONDITIONS OF ENGAGEMENT & consultancy services agreement (my last issue was okayed by Major General Garba Ali Mohammed). I referred this because the size of that structure demands conferring with allied professionals/consultants for effective project delivery. Reaching out ain't sin in construction, it's rather for effective delivery in project management. Online check out what happened to the great "nest stadium" in China during construction. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by jojothaiv(m): 1:23pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
Nice one op.. But number two point is what is obtainable here in Kebbi State.... If you don't mind there are a lot of pictorial evidence to back it up too... #AnotherAspiringDraughtman! |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by AreOnaKakanfo: 1:37pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
shine12: Okay but just responded to what you said " Such design is wasteful and not ideal . It's only wasteful to someone that can't afford it. It's also not ideal to a layman. To the client that wants it and can pay for it then it's ideal. Let's be open minded as professionals and not ridicule designs that causes us to step outside of our comfort zones. It's all good. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by AreOnaKakanfo: 1:55pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
oapeleo: Other than free fall rain from the sky onto the patio then no rain from the roof will ever touch the terrace because the simple solution is rain gutters which exists here in Nigeria already. This structure is not my cup of tea but if that is what the client wants then it should be given to him . Dismissing this structure partially when the solution is less than N10,000 is professional negligence, in my opinion. Any professional should see himself as a solutions provider first and foremost. Na gode. PS: Please note that the downspout goes though a space in the decking and hugs the building. PPS: Even if the rain water is allowed to fall onto the decking, what is the worst case scenario here if the decking is adequately prepared to deal with rain water?
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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Numberz(m): 1:56pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
oapeleo: 1 & 2. Your number 1 & 2 are pure advice to baby Architects(undergrads) simply because @ 200L those points form the basis for Site analysis. A degree holder in architecture knows each state has their own standard for set backs. Delta state is 3m from your building line at the front while FCT is 6m as basic standard. This standards varies when your building is facing/bordering some categories of "special infrastructures" 3. Different states also have their standards for built up areas depending on the planned density of the layout in question and sometimes type of built structure that can be permitted therein. The little write up beside the site plan is compulsory in all states in Nigeria when your drawing is intended for approval. It comes as below... **Area of site (in square meters) **Area of building (in square meters) **Percentage of built up area (in percentage) 4. Dimension lines as regards setbacks and differentials from any curve, corner or angle as the case maybe is compulsory when going for approval. Look, if the topography is averagely undulating you are expected to produce a "spot level page" to enhance clarity. Beyond average you are expected to produce a "contour page" in your submissions also to enhance clarity. 5, 6 & 7. neufert architect's data my brother takes care of that & it happens to be a basic companion for all schools of Architecture( approved) in Nigeria. Your points makes me have this feeling that most of the jobs you handled never went through approval, I could be wrong though but then... 1 Like |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Numberz(m): 1:59pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
oapeleo: Tell us the state planning office that approved this design my brother...be candid. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Numberz(m): 2:03pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
oapeleo: Brief analysis and concept development takes care of all that. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Numberz(m): 2:05pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
oapeleo: Brief analysis and concept development takes care of all that. Chairman can you please post a picture of any of your finished projects? I think Nairalanders will appreciate one if you don't mind... |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by troubleshooter: 2:08pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
ademoladeji: I end up correcting 70% of any architectural drawing given to me to develop. The reason is because architect drawings are almost always not achievable or realistic. the above statement, to highlight a few, i find repulsive and a direct attack on architectural practice. by extrapolation, hes saying 70% of architects are crap! this is the reason for my sharp rejoinders. they are meant not to attack Engineering practice but to call the OP to order. bear in mind that there is a branch in architecture called CRITIQUE. we do critique of our works being aware that no design is error proof. but it is not in the OP's place with limited experience to do a critique of not a project but the entire Architectural practice in Nigeria on one hand while glorifying engineering practice on the other! thats quite an affront and you all his colleagues shld call him to order. thats immature. on ur no1 question, i wont come here to pillory NIA and ARCON on how effective they have been playing their roles. its an in-house matter no need washing it in public. on ur 2nd question, the way the building industry in Nigeria, many professionals do carpet crossing into other professions. i dont support it. i dont do it. but untill we have a well structured building industry with well delineated roles, theres little we can do about it. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Nobody: 2:11pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
AreOnaKakanfo: Please read my post that came after. Solution already provided Thanks |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by ranktzy(m): 2:23pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
shine12: I've had interest in Energy from waste, but after going through my research, it seemed like a tall dream to achieve cause we don't have anyone with that kind of expertise. Glad to see a Nigerian with immense experience in the structural aspect. We really need something of this nature in the country, it's long overdue. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Tundelogic(m): 2:24pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
troubleshooter: I was actually looking out for a good response before I comment. A so called building consultant that can't distinguish quacks from Professionals. I laughed at the 3d posted, it can only be done by people like him leaving a setback of 1m. Let's stop blaming Clients, we can always protect our integrity by walking away from prospective clients that can mortgage ur future with a 50k design. Architects develop client's brief. And no design is impossible to build. Lazy engineers won't just use their heads to work it out. 1 Like |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by notindome(m): 2:27pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
When issues like this come up for delibration, one thing certainly displayed is the lack of coordination amongst professionals involved in a particular project. This is mainly the fault of the professional bodies where the professionals belong, NSE, NIA, COREN, ARCON, etc. When an architect feels he is above a civil engineer or vice versa on a building project for instance, then we can never progress. The Architect, The Civil/structural Engineer and the Services Engineers are very important in every building project. I have been involved in quite a number of Fed govt projects representing my firm as the Mechanical Engineering Consultant on these projects. The Architects i have worked with have always allowed every professional in His/Her field do their work, not interfering and boasting of being the project team lead,raising shoulders as some so-called Architects do, "we are the architects na we get the project" ahah, to much unnecessary pride. As a Mechanical services Engineer, I am as important as the Electrical services Engineer, The Structural Engineer and The Architect for the success of the project. Of what use is a building if it cannot be occupied due to poor services( Mechanical and Electrical)? Of what use are the services if the structural Engineer cannot make the building stand? or what use is an Architect's concept if the structural Engineer cannot make it come to reality? As an Engineer, never unilaterally correct an error you THINK exists in an Architectural design without discussing it with the Architect to hear His/her views. Same applies to the Architect on Engineering designs. Most especially, Architects have taken over Services (M&E) drafting (I can't call it design, because they have little or no idea about in-dept services design). An Architect cannot seal/approve a structural, mechanical, or electrical design. A structural engineer cannot seal/approve even a mechanical engineering design, so what are we talking about. As i said earlier our professional bodies and the development control agencies are largely to be blamed. 2 Likes |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by jojoki: 2:39pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
CASTOSVILLA: When you bite more than you can ever chew. Having a free data to browse didn't give you a right to abuse people on faceless forum. My apology from REAL ARCHITECT on my harsh word (UNREALISTIC) used in my earlier comments but never from a road side Draftman like you. Just try to grow up. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Nobody: 2:42pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
Tundelogic: Troubleshooter's problem is just English language I said and I quote ". You should have enough space between the building and the fence. Don't ever use 1m or less. Only If you want water to flow from your roof to the next compound or flowers to grow into it" I didn't say you should use 1m, and your "people like him statement" hmmmm I rest my case. Anyway well trained architects have a lot of work to do. To remove quarks and save me the time to post my observations. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by onatisi(m): 3:02pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
shine12:Fantastic contribution. Thumbs up. Most comments here have been mainly theoretical but urs is practical and practicable. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by onatisi(m): 3:06pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
notindome:Well done boss . This comment deserves an applause |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by troubleshooter: 3:14pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
oapeleo: Don't ever use 1m or less but u can use 1.2, 1.5, 2.1? they are all not less than 1m but are they right?........so you can see who has a problem with english language? i cant change u. pls continue in ur immaturity and ignorance. but no matter how u try, u cant bring Architecture down. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by CASTOSVILLA(m): 3:36pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
jojoki:My man please no transfer your aggression come my side, I use God beg you. Please solve your anger issues somewhere else. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by shine12: 3:46pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
ranktzy: Yes, Energy from Waste plant can potentially be one our energy solutions in Nigeria. I was even discussing it with a much more senior Engineer the other day about bringing it across Africa and He said that it’s very possible in Nigeria especially but the constraint will be the procurement of the construction process and as you said it’s really a tall order (it can definitely be done) To me the issue is with the funders. I do have contact of process plant suppliers. Once someone can get a developer with money to spend, it can be built in Nigeria, it’s about convincing the Alikos, Tinubus of this world to fund it. The one I’m currently working on has a capacity of 20MW which will produce a monthly equivalent of 11,520MW.h. The funny thing about the waste is that the plant operators buy wastes as far away as Germany and bring to the UK to use as a source of energy. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by jojoki: 3:58pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
CASTOSVILLA: It's not that am aggressive but your first comment wasn't Kool to me. If you are man enough to do the needful then we may forget it and move on since we both need each in our noble professions. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by wilcox(m): 4:12pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
[quote author=DerMeister post=44748357]You are either naive or you don't know what country you are in. First of all, building codes forbid you from building very close to your fence. there is also a minimum distance between the center of the road and any structure (actual distance depending on the type of road in question). So even if you bribe your way to approval, when the govt decides to do any development, you will lose. If you decide to go to court, good luck with that, while you are waiting years for the court, the govt will go ahead... I can't have you school me in my profession, from your writing I can easily depict the school of thought you belong to, so I will rather keep off than argue with you. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by karleone(m): 4:12pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
abdulwastecx: Thank you very much for your reply to that guy. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by csiworksnig(f): 4:19pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
oapeleo: Very correct sir.. I am an architect, I Don't give out my drawings plans or 3dwithout been paid a percentage first. 1 Like |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by slam7000(m): 4:20pm On Apr 16, 2016 |
I'm loving this.... The real architects should please stand up and be counted. Contact nos would be helpful as well. |
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