joseph1832:
Bro, society has never been able to define any thing. Anything that defy's scientific analysis is often subjected to different form of misinterpretation, thus making that thing full of opinions, (informed and un-informed) and you and I know opinions are like butt holes...

Society doesn't need to define who the modern wife is, what her duties are and what have you. The couples involved do that, as society doesn't even help them in making their home a success.

I'll always maintain that, marriage is a very personal thing, and it involves two people coming together to sit down, and agree on how to make their lives and home better.

I'll say this, any couple who wait and let society define what their roles and duties are, will find themselves according to D'banj "On A Long Thing".

shaybebaby:
Maybe it's time she asks what she is capable of and willing to undertake and what she expects in return rather than what is expected of her.

HugoEagles15:
Thou shall not wail,No Man In his right senses will see a woman with all the good attributes you mentioned above and still complain,I'm sorry to say this' the truth there is that there is no such woman with all the good qualities in this 21st century that's why some men don't get satisfied with one woman, stop the wailing sis.

joseph1832:
You should direct this also at synnzu and laveda

Aw! I thought campaigns have the exceptions!

Anyways, I beleive society influences human conducts alot and everyone to a an extend bends to adjustment to conformity!

E.G most men will cry more than they do if society doesn't frown at men crying

So today's society expects women to fill up roles formally reserved for men without creating a solution for the duties she would leave behind!

Lezzlie:




All human conducts, including conducts in marriage and gender roles stem from conventions. Conventions are societal norms which have become custom.


So society defines women roles as what their roles and duties in a general broad sense ought to be

postmann:



I'll begin by making some reference at the boldened: please feel free to call me a sexist .

A woman's gifts and talent is primarily to assist her husband in any capacity he may find useful. She is to complement him. That's her primarily purpose in life. Secondly, is for her to raise Godly children that will grow up and shape the society in uprightness and sound judgment. She will be fulfilled if she achieve these. Anything else, is just for by the way.


A housewife is a priceless jewel. She is a full time worker. Her husband's backbone and LLOD ( last line of defence). But there shouldn't be a complete housewife. There are plenty of career path that don't interfere negatively with motherhood and fulfilling her husband's need.

Nice post though.

joseph1832:
Funny how those customs and conventions have contributed nothing more than failed marriages and un-happiness, don't you think so?

Any couple who allow society to define their role, will have themselves and only themselves to blame bro, you expect a society that praise criminals and celebrate thieves to set proper role for couples to adhere to? You expect a society which praise a man cheating on his wife to set a proper role for couples to adhere to? You also expect a society which believe in male machismo and the flaring of male testosterone to set proper roles for couples to adhere to?

Like I earlier said, any couple who adhere to what society set out for them might find themselves at the receiving end.

Any couple who wants happiness should be able to sit down and talk things out, stating what is and what isn't, without the interference of society. Lol.

Lezzlie:




[b]Lolz, you're going into the specifics. Of course individuals have always enjoyed autonomy in personal affairs either in marriage or in personal conduct.

What I'm trying to pass across in reference to the OP is This:


Society has always and will not stop providing the framework on which the conduct of marriage is built.


Now individuals can fit in the colour or texture of clothings or bricks they want to add to this framework set by society in whatever manner they elect.

But they cannot ,within themselves, provide the framework, they will become renegades and legal outcasts since legal systems the world over has always been framed from conventions and customs.

Let me loosen the language: society through convention made it that the man pays the bride price. A couple cannot change this.

Society through norms made it the children of the couple bear their father's name, couples cannot change it without risks.

The role of women what they are expected to do within the confines of marriage, in the broad sense is set by society not the couple.

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mimzy:


Hmmmm.. Most men will tell a woman that she is supposed to know what to do, even if she is willing to undertake less than expected, she will be tagged with different names...

donbenedict:
there is nothing wrong with what I wrote up there. Stop being an asslicker! I wrote that womanhood is golden! Something you should have noticed.

shaybebaby:

I meant to ask herself what she wants and is capable of. Do no more or less regardless of what society thinks.

HaneefahRN:
Nice thread mimzy.

Joseph1832, you totally made sense.

joseph1832:
Bro, society has never been able to define any thing. Anything that defy's scientific analysis is often subjected to different form of misinterpretation, thus making that thing full of opinions, (informed and un-informed) and you and I know opinions are like butt holes...

Society doesn't need to define who the modern wife is, what her duties are and what have you. The couples involved do that, as society doesn't even help them in making their home a success.

I'll always maintain that, marriage is a very personal thing, and it involves two people coming together to sit down, and agree on how to make their lives and home better.

I'll say this, any couple who wait and let society define what their roles and duties are, will find themselves according to D'banj "On A Long Thing".

mimzy:
Thanks dear..

joseph1832:
Should have just edited my moniker.

mimzy:

Sorry...

Lezzlie:




All human conducts, including conducts in marriage and gender roles stem from conventions. Conventions are societal norms which have become custom.


So society defines women roles as what their roles and duties in a general broad sense ought to be

joseph1832:



Of course, its about the specifics... No need to dilly dally because will nilly, when it comes to marriage, ones personal happiness should be paramount, devoid of what society entails.

joseph1832:


True that! That's why we're having things such as feminism, homosexuality, girls dressing like boys and boys dressing like girls (Denrele) etc lol.

All this happen as a result of the usual conventions society expect one to play, which that one might not like. You see, when one is forced to act or play in a way he or she doesn't like, one might be forced to be a deviant, or a recalcitrant.

joseph1832:



No doubt, but we've seen couples who got married without the bride groom paying squat! Society might demand we do this, but we might decide to tell society "up yours". Lol.

joseph1832:



I concur, but we've seen kids who grow up and change their names, we've seen kids who grow up and bear their own name, heck, I know many couple who don't even bear their father's name, wives now bear their husband's own name. Lol.

joseph1832:



Bro, my friend's wife gave birth to triplets, (two boys and a girl) and this guy did not even name his kids the conventional traditional names, even both parents didn't even get to name their grand kids. My friend named his kids: Dante, Hanzo and Gaiea so so so... I have a friend who named his kid Naruto, named his daughter Sakura. Can you imagine? I can assure you that the naming ceremonies was full of stone faced parents. Lmao.

joseph1832:


Be that as it may, the couple still have to choose whether they want to follow society's convention/custom/rules or not.

So if the couple do decide to follow what society demands, that's when you see cases like that the OP depict. Lol.

HaneefahRN:
Nice thread mi.mzy.

Joseph.1832, you totally made sense.

Amakortee:
the summary of what men need is SUBMISSION AND RESPECT. then u see the man behaving like a little kid

donbenedict:
Madam dats why you are a woman.. stop complaining.. womanhood is golden.

Lezzlie:
The modern society has not fully grasp the role of the modern woman!!!

She is expected to be multitasking and still adapt to modern trends without sacrificing any of her conventional duties and roles.


It's quite a tall asking and society is still at odds to define the role of the modern wife in an agreeable term!


Cc Joseph1832

bukatyne:


What makes womanhood golden?

scentmarlc:



May i see your sense certificate sir?




To an xtent, uar right but d op wasnt entirely wrong either

Sense certificate mogbe

Amakortee:
the summary of what men need is SUBMISSION AND RESPECT. then u see the man behaving like a little kid

Lezzlie:
Spot on, bro. You nailed it with a simple submission!

donbenedict:
see question ooo... if I said womanhood is waste, u would be d first person to attack me from all angles. Why are u even a woman if u don't knw wat makes womanhood golden?

bukatyne:


What makes womanhood golden?

Lezzlie:
No, bro, it isn't about specifics. It's about the broader sense! For example. Each student will approach an exam problem individually and differently within the scope of his own preference, but he must write them still and the school authorities will score him, accept his work and endorse or fail him. It is so in life. Societal conventions are the norms and prevailing beliefs and customs of the majority which has with time become the acceptable way of civil, social and spiritual engagement!

Joe, you lost me here. Feminism, homosexuality, cross dressing are still deviant forms of behaviour and social conducts. They are no where near conventions or norm. If you were to show up in a female apparel in your office today Monday, I'm sure you would have lit the path to your social and professional isolation

We must differentiate exceptions from conventions, bro. And a man who didn't pay the bride price of his wife is the exception to the rule and not the rule. Need I add that he isn't married in the eyes of God and man? He's open to the curse of man and spirits.

It's still an exception not the convention. And their names still fall within a progenitor in the family.

Exactly!!!! Those are the specifics I hinted earlier. But he did the naming ceremony!!!! That's the framework society has set!!!! He can colour it anyhow (by having his kids bear any name of his choosing) but society has set the framework; he must name them!!!

All humans are conformists. That's why even the most powerful rulers fear going against societal values when they enact laws!!!