MuttleyLaff:
My sister, I dont think you really have followed it keenly enough. To follow exchanges is fun but doing proper observation or examining is boring and I guess that is why people cherry pick and stay off the hot potato questions in the exchanges

Why dont you first offer to answer the 10 starting questions and if necessary, the additional ones too, I initially asked JMG1, instead of this soliciting

It's not brain surgery, sorry about the pun. OK, let's just say it's not rocket science

No I dont, never in the slightest suggested that. It just proves what I said, you havent followed the exchanges with keen interest but followed it rather with vested interest

Again, if you really followed, you would have figured out the reason why I had to bring in the extensive ''thesis'' on soul in relation to ''my understanding is unfruitful'' or ''my mind profit not'' and intelligible or coherent words (i.e. 1 Corinthians 14:13-15 and 1 Corinthians 14:19)

Let me edit your question and turn it back on you
Is it wrong to pray in languages? No
Is it wrong to pray in gibberish? Yes

Sister are you sure, 110% sure ''pray in tongues'' verbatim is in the Bible
Jude 1:20 is not saying ''pray in tongues'' now

Since when did ''praying in the Holy Spirit'' turn to mean ''pray in a coherent intelligible meaningful foreign language''?

That is not what ''praying in the Holy Spirit.'' is or is about
You would now appreciate why I brought up the body, soul and spirit.
What I didnt add, though I seriously wanted to but couldnt because the whole write was overwhelming already as it was, is that:
The body is worldly conscious and relates to the environment
The soul is self conscious and relates to self & others
The spirit is God conscious and relates to God

Like I told JMG1, I didnt venture on to Love, though it helps my corner, I am not interested as contextually it has nothing to do with the genesis or core of this discourse, so please dont bring in a red herring. Yeah they are wishes. Paul wished, it is not Paul ordering a do or die
Sorry, I will no can do expantiate, because it is distracting and moving away from the core and original of what JMG1 brought up

sonofthunder:
1 thread, over 100 pages, over 3000 posts, over 60, 000 views, and Jesus is being glorified.

analice107:
Alleluia. May the name of the Lord be praised.

fireforfire:
Pls I had a dream about snakes. I was walking in a dark field in d middle of the night. I couldn't see around me b cos everywhere was pitch dark until I switched on my torchlight n discovered dat d ground was full of snakes of different sizes.
I kept walking n dodging them till woke up.

fireforfire:
Pls I had a dream about snakes. I was walking in a dark field in d middle of the night. I couldn't see around me b cos everywhere was pitch dark until I switched on my torchlight n discovered dat d ground was full of snakes of different sizes.
I kept walking n dodging them till woke up.

fireforfire:
Pls I had a dream about snakes. I was walking in a dark field in d middle of the night. I couldn't see around me b cos everywhere was pitch dark until I switched on my torchlight n discovered dat d ground was full of snakes of different sizes.
I kept walking n dodging them till woke up.

JMG1:
Sorry bro av not really had time to check or reply since my last post yesterday. Work and other things been eating up my time.

Brother, so many confusion in your method of explaining the Word which the Holy Spirit should be allowed to help discern spiritually and not by human wisdom. Your method seems like one who's gone/going to a theological school and trying to bring what you have been taught on here.

Not saying a theological school isn't good as I seriously wish to go as well to be grounded in the Word but as one is doing that, we also need to involve the Holy Spirit to give a deep revelation concerning the Word of God.

Am sorry to say this sir but there is a trait of arrogance in your teaching and the way you give replies.

Lots of wonderful brethren who have been contributing on here teach and explain the Word with all decency and humility and even when they reply a post, they do that with all caution rephrasing the post been quoted with better explanation and calmness

I'll give an example, its just me"assume am the student" trying to analyse something to you"assume you the teacher" but you as the teacher thinks you know it all and have better understand not bringing yourself down to learn from the student who thinks you were wrong in a way and trying to give an explanation forgetting that one can learn something far great from the student.

Because you think you know more of tongues and interpretation and can discern the wonderful Word of God with all wisdom judge me, accuse me of speaking gillberish"not speaking in tongues" and been under the delusion of something I don't know.

With all due respect sir Who are you to judge me from my post and say I don't speak in tongues.

Thank God am a born again Christian filled with the Holy Spirit, if not I'll have started thinking you were right about me speaking nonsense.

Infact I almost believed you but the One Who lives in me greater than any other thing or person in the world assured me He is in me and always will be given me the confidence to say with all boastfulness that I have God in me and I speak in tongues of man and angel.

Guess what brother, I spoke/prayed to my father in tongues this morning. Hahahahaha filled with Joy in me.

I give thanks unto the Lord for He, for He is good. His mercies endures forever.

My last post and comment concerning this. God bless you brother and I pray the Holy Spirit help you to bear more of the fruit of the Spirit

But before I post, lemme share what the Holy Spirit reveal to again about tongues.

When God created adam, it was the spirit language Adam was communication with to God in the garden of eden before the fall.

Even after the fall, God only prophesy concerning the curse on Adam but He didn't take away this language until God confused our language when they wanted to build the tower.

This tongues is our natural(when I say natural, I mean natural to our spirit) language right from time, its only become a big deal/sign to us because of the fall and also because God has given to us back our spirit natural language through the Holy Spirit

"Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. Gen11:1"

The Whole earth had ONE language&Speech, can you see that?

Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”Gen 11:4

they communicated with this same ONE language to build a tower and they almost did.

When we are being baptised in the Holy Ghost and can speak in tongues, individual tongues might sound different but its still One and the same tongues to God.
We all receive the same spirit as a believer and the same spirit gives us One language which makes us one

"But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Gen 11:5-6"

Did you see what God said? If as ONE, they speak ONE language, please specifically note this:- NOTHING THEY PLAN TO DO WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM.

Ohhhh Myyyyy God, as I was studying the tongues, Holy Spirit took me back to this and was amazed when the revelation of this passage in the scripture was given to me. This is a supernatural utterances bro and not english or any language on earth, this is a supernatural language.

Speaking in tongues is a supernatural utterance, this tongues makes God to break in pieces the gates of bronze and cut the bars of iron. It breaks in to any bondage whatsoever, there is nothing you ask for when you pray in tongues that won't be done because the spirit prays concerning the Will of God and with Power.

" Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other. Gen 11:7"

What happened here? God took the language of POWER that can break any barrier and gave them other different languages.

What I explained here bro is what they call revelation of the Word by the Holy Spirit and not human wisdom.

Advice to those who desire to speak in tongues. Hunger for righteousness and desire to speak and you will be given this gift.

For those who do, please I advice we don't stop nor forbid to speak. Pray and sing in tongues as much as you like, the more you pray in tongues, the more answers to all your request and not only just answers but manifestation of this answers as NOTHING YOU DESIRE AND ASK WHEN YOU PRAY IN THE SPIRIT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO HAVE. Also pray that you may interpret for paul says He who prophesy is greater than who speaks so we all should desire to interpret

God bless us all and I still love you with the love of Christ bro MuttleyLaff

holahmihdeh:
Is praying in tongues written verbatim in the bible? Sorry your questions are funny. Maybe that is the reason you are misinterpreting many verses. didn't Jesus talked in parables? There. are versions of the bible that will never write "sex" but something like "sleep with him or her". so u would interprete the later as "merely sleeping beside each other" cuz sex wasn't written?

Yes, it is neither brain surgery nor rocket science but that didn't ans the questn. How did u know? Have u heard him speak in tongues for you to have made that conclusion (I'm not taking sides here) Meaning You could as well say Kenneth Hagin was also under delusion cuz from his book "the holy spirit and his gifts" he received holy spirit by faith and in the process of thanking God for the baptism, speaking in tongues followed immediately

What is the difference BTW praying in tongues and praying in the Holy Spirit?

What or who brings about praying in tongues?

You didn't venture into love but u brought up 1 Cor13:8 and u asked JMG1 to read versions of that verse in which I posted the NLT version, so u don't need avoid any questions on it.

MuttleyLaff:


JMG1, holahmihdeh Sorry for this delayed and short reply
JMG1 remember I said I'll will soon give you an offer too good to refuse, I knew this medium is inadequate and that it'll soon come to this, that is why I was preempt this other medium I am proposing to you
I have set up a Skype group titled ''tongues'', I would like us to mutually agree on a day and time convenient for me to send you an invite to join, so we can sort out the speaking in tongue thing in its entirety.
This will be done according to the instructive in Isaiah 28:10
(i.e. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little

Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self with its practices
- Colossian 3:9

But speaking the truth in love, we should grow up in all things into Him who is the head, Christ,
- Ephesian 4:15

Again brother, this born out of the sense of duty and the purpose as found in Colossian 3:9 above which tells us not to lie to each other
and also the instructive in Ephesian 4:15 equally above, which tells us to speak the truth in love

This request goes out to you JMG1 and Sister holahmihdeh too
Both please get back to me asap to advise date and time so to mail you the Skype Group invite

Shalom

MuttleyLaff:


JMG1, holahmihdeh Sorry for this delayed and short reply
JMG1 remember I said I'll will soon give you an offer too good to refuse, I knew this medium is inadequate and that it'll soon come to this, that is why I was preempt this other medium I am proposing to you
I have set up a Skype group titled ''tongues'', I would like us to mutually agree on a day and time convenient for me to send you an invite to join, so we can sort out the speaking in tongue thing in its entirety.
This will be done according to the instructive in Isaiah 28:10
(i.e. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little

Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self with its practices
- Colossian 3:9

But speaking the truth in love, we should grow up in all things into Him who is the head, Christ,
- Ephesian 4:15

Again brother, this born out of the sense of duty and the purpose as found in Colossian 3:9 above which tells us not to lie to each other
and also the instructive in Ephesian 4:15 equally above, which tells us to speak the truth in love

This request goes out to you JMG1 and Sister holahmihdeh too
Both please get back to me asap to advise date and time so to mail you the Skype Group invite

Shalom

trueking:
A colleague of mine attended C.E for the first time and was told to start speaking in tongues, after thirty minutes and the guy saw they would not let him go if he does not speak in tongues, he resorted to praying in his native dialect, ( he's from Ogoja) and they urged him on, " that's the spirit, brother" when he left, he kept on wondering if there was anyone that could understand him there. moral of the story, Tongues no be by force.

trueking:
A colleague of mine attended C.E for the first time and was told to start speaking in tongues, after thirty minutes and the guy saw they would not let him go if he does not speak in tongues, he resorted to praying in his native dialect, ( he's from Ogoja) and they urged him on, " that's the spirit, brother" when he left, he kept on wondering if there was anyone that could understand him there. moral of the story, Tongues no be by force.

CharlyG1:
Let the power of God shake this thread!

legallyCJ:
Good Day everyone, I must say I have been following this thread for quite a while and it is really enlightening, kudos to the initiator as well as the swell contributors. nonetheless, I feel this may be the right place to find help, well for sometime I've been experiencing this invisible cobwebs, though not frequently let's say once a week, please note I live in a spick and span environment, so there's practically no spider around. i really would like to know how to deal with this problem. Any help would be wonderful thanks.

legallyCJ:
Good Day everyone, I must say I have been following this thread for quite a while and it is really enlightening, kudos to the initiator as well as the swell contributors. nonetheless, I feel this may be the right place to find help, well for sometime I've been experiencing this invisible cobwebs, though not frequently let's say once a week, please note I live in a spick and span environment, so there's practically no spider around. i really would like to know how to deal with this problem. Any help would be wonderful thanks.

dazzle101:

Let us not be ignorant of the vices of the wicked ones....

Let us not down play the extent of their manipulation and evil activities...

They are everywhere, working fervently and highly specialized causing strife and perversion, self love, hate, lust, unbelief, religion of self glorification and a whole lot more..

Wrong to believe and think they have little or nothing to do with the circumstances facing our everyday life and activity!

They are real and this is a call for all to be spiritually alert and aware and put on the whole armour of God!!!

May God in his infinite mercies help us all!

Amen!!!

superior1:


A likely witchcraft operation with the intent to afflict a person with demons/curses of stagnancy, delay, retrogression etc. How are you spiritually speaking?

fischer77:

Sis Analice109, I have been following the thread silently. Can someone post the link of that 'placebo' book? I am an avid reader and these things interest me.

Shalom

GoodMuyis:


Howard Pittman

Read [Selected chapters]Online here http://www.divinerevelations.info/dreams_and_visions/placebo_howard_pittman.htm

Download link [am not sure] www.ubm1.org/demons-pittman.pdf

analice107:

Amen my sis. Am reading this book "Placebo" which was posted here. Your warning resounds there. Most of the things the Brethren say here, especially bro Oyeludef, Bro Charles and bro Superior1 teach here were mentioned there. I think every serious minded christian shd read that book. It will open us up to know that we are not alone at all. So many spirits hover around us constantly. It mentioned some of the characteristics people in this forum exhibit and the demons assigned to make them act that way.

dazzle101:




Yes sis I have also read that book, courtesy of that post with the link I saw on here too. Downloaded the e book for 'demons, an eye witness account ' and it was a thorough eye opener...

My earlier post was kinda inspired by the warnings, teaching and exposition on demonic activity from that book with some scriptural back ups...

I agree, everyone should try to get a hold of the book cos these are issues often overlooked! I once spoke about this to my friend who attends a certain denomination I won't here mention what her take was on the issue of demonic infiltration and interference in our daily life and she said 'Talking abt them only leads to a form of glorification n downplayed totally their power to do anything to children of God'. Alas this is surely wrong as it is part of the orchestration from the wicked ones to give the impression of their non existence and innocence in anything relating to our everyday lives...

Smh indeed as you rightly put it again, a lot of such behaviours are displayed on this section of the forum alot! We have to stand firm.... God will help us to not be dismayed by their workings and to overcome to the end of age...


Thank you sis Analice, God bless you!!

analice107:

Hello brother Superior1, it's been awhile.

superior1:

It is,trust you are good Sis?

analice107:

I am sir. God bless you.

sonOfLucifer:

Madam.

fischer77:
I have a question that's been troubling me. Is it wrong to download copyrighted materials from these torrent sites like kat.cr and piratesbay? Most of the gospel songs, Christian eBooks and some video editing software and other software in general I use are downloaded from these sites.

I want to know as I wouldn't want to commit a sin. I feel it's wrong but it really helps to get these free stuff when the prices are not affordable.