timonski:
@op. It seems you lack the holy spirit. Earnestly pray for wisdom. You are almost 30 for christ's sake!

timonski:
@op. It seems you lack the holy spirit. Earnestly pray for wisdom. You are almost 30 for christ's sake!

ayoku777:
Matthew 25v41 -Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS:

Can you see? Hell was never made for man; hell was prepared for the devil and his angels. But those who follow him will end up where he is headed.

If you tell your son, don't road-trip with that guy, he is going to drive his car down a clip, if you follow him that will be your fate; are you threatening your son or telling him the truth? Is that threat or truth?

The devil is the first sinner, he is the first person to use his freewill to turn his back on God and rebel against Him. To turn your back on God is to road-trip with the devil.

If God tells you that if you turn your back on His love and His salvation, then you're road-tripping with the devil and will end up where he is headed -which is hell. How is that emotional blackmail? It is only truth!

Hell was not made for man, it was made for Lucifer and his angels. But those who follow him will end up where he is headed. And making that clear to people is not emotional blackmail or threat, but truth.

Telling people where the bus they're boarding is headed is not blackmail and telling people the destination of the person they're road-tripping with is not threat. It is truth in love. I would want to know.

Shalom

stephenmorris:
another rubbish ,don't you read before commenting,didn't your saviour also go to hell as claimed by your pastors

ayoku777:
Matthew 25v41 -Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS:

Can you see? Hell was never made for man; hell was prepared for the devil and his angels. But those who follow him will end up where he is headed.

If you tell your friend or loved one, don't road-trip with that guy, he is going to drive his car down a cliff, if you follow him that will be your fate; are you threatening your friend or telling him the truth? Is that threat or truth?

The devil is the first sinner, he is the first person to use his freewill to turn his back on God and rebel against Him. To turn your back on God is to road-trip with the devil.

If God tells you that if you turn your back on His love and His salvation, then you're road-tripping with the devil and will end up where he is headed -which is hell. How is that emotional blackmail? It is only truth!

Hell was not made for man, it was made for Lucifer and his angels. But those who follow him will end up where he is headed. And making that clear to people is not emotional blackmail or threat, but truth.

Telling people where the bus they're boarding is headed is not blackmail and telling people the destination of the person they're road-tripping with is not threat. It is truth in love. I would want to know.

Shalom

ayoku777:


Yes, He did. And what about that? Do you have a question?

johnydon22:


If the

Just like the above story, if mary goes ahead and break up with Josh, Josh
kills her and then says he wasn't the one that killed mary but rather mary
killed herself OF HER OWN FREE WILLby deciding to quite their relationship even when he told her that
would cost her life.

malvisguy212:
bro, you have time to reply the op. The word "HELL" is given the atheist a sleepless night.

johnydon22:


No atheist ever looses sleep over something as childish as HELL otherwise he/she won't be atheistic.

Believe it or not we are only trying to help whimps like you who can't on their own break away from the grips of some nonsensical belief..

You should be "thanking them" for doing what you have no courage to

malvisguy212:
open a thread with the title "hell". You will read insultive comment from atheist. What does it imply ? Telling someone not to smoke or he will die young, is its a threat or warning ?

malvisguy212:
Like it or not, HELL EXIST and its is the home of the rebellions, the wicked and sinful men.

johnydon22:
Mary let out a frustrated sigh as she stepped into her room, her feet aches from the shoes that was barely her size, her heads were throbbing and dry sweats stuck on her fading make-up.
"How could he say that to me?"
"Does he really love me then why does he have to threaten me?"
She cursed under her breathe dumping her weight on the bed and her thoughts wandered to the event that just transpired between her and Josh, she could still recall vividly.
Mary has been dating Josh for as long as she could remember or at least she thought so, he was a handsome tall young man with a charming smile, intelligent and smart and was sweet.
They had been childhood sweethearts all through primary and secondary school and now in the University their relationship flourished and bloomed.
Until she started noticing gradual change in Josh, he got angry easily these days and sometimes would attempt slapping her out of anger, Josh who usually opened the door for her now went ahead without looking back, he even blamed her when one of his friends slapped her.
In short their relationship can simply be defined now as 'a one sided romance' she knew she had to end it for her own good but how will she go about it.
She had managed to summon enough courage today, called Josh and informed him of her visit.
Josh's face grew blank and red as Mary rented her grievances and told him she wanted a break from the relationship.
She could notice his face twitch and his eyes dimmed and lost it's sparkle. it was hard to place what he really was feeling but she dreaded every second of that moment.
Then Josh spoke, his voice was calm and mild at the same time oozed with every ounce of seriousness.
"Mary i love you so much, i am madly in love with you mary don't leave me because i love you and don't want you to go"
He said holding her shoulders
"I know Josh but i just need...."
"You just need what Mary?" He cut her short "Let me tell you something Mary, if you leave me i will take away everything you hold dear and will surely kill you myself.
If you stay with me i'll save you and you will be safe because i assure you no harm will come to you from me but if you go on with this your act of rebellion i will make your existence a horrible one, don't you see i love you mary?"
He sighs
"It's either you stay with me and love me like i love you or it will turn out ugly" his eyes were cold and she could feel his heart beat freeze.
A chilly cold ran down her spine, she wants to opt out of this relationship but apparently if she did, her life is on the line.
she certainly have no choice here. "How could Josh be this cold, abusive and a cheap blackmailer to get love?" she asked.
* * * *
Everyone who reads the above story can agree Mary is being abused here by a very dangerous boy friend who is blackmailing her into loving him or she gets murdered.
As bad as this is, this is done globally in a large scale and nobody is seeing anything wrong in that profession of blackmail, act of abuse and show of tyranny.
More than 4 billion people are under the umbrella of such situation in the name of one religious belief or the other.
Almost all the popular world religions boast of a setting where there is a God who loves humanity so much, needs man to conform to his will and love him back, worship him, revere him and be in a one sided relationship with him or He burns them in hell for eternity for choosing to become his enemy by not loving back or conforming obediently to his will.
Is there any difference between Mary's situation and that these religion has dipped their followers in?
I say "No"
Both are abusive, tyrannic, barbaric, sadistic and a petty show of cheap blackmail..
If the basis of your religion is roped around a God who is offering you salvation from his own torture schemes, Is it really really salvation or blackmail?
Is the issue of threat in order to instill conformity to a reciprocation of love really anything near love or just an emotional rape?
Why are the concept of God peddled by these religions subject to such petty tyranny, sadism, abuse and prone to cheap blackmail?
Free choice is not roped with options, when a choice roped within options it is no longer an exercise of free choice but a limited right on what to choose.
If the person offering you salvation is the same person threatening you then it is not salvation, it is an emotional genocide and abuse of an individual's choices..
We have heard reasons from the victims of these religions and their excuses for succumbing to such barbarism in the name of a religious doctrine always rings.
"It is better to believe and be on the safe side than disbelief and risk that torture"
This affirms that the basis of religion isn't really certainty in the actuality of their distinct deities, not Faith as an exercise of this uncertainty but rather fear of the abstract concepts of a torture chamber or the unknown and greed for a blissful paradise.
That fear drives the faith and ensures the stoic clutch to uncertainty.
I have always wondered how such God concepts also claim perfection and omni-everything but still acts with so much childishness and insecurity that even humans cannot stoop that low.
How can there be a perfect God who resorts to cheap blackmail to ensure conformity and still claims a profession of love, that is an insult to the human idea of what Love is or should be.
Now the most unjust part of this setting is that, the victims are always blamed for the actions of the perpetrator.
You get excuses like "God doesn't send you to hell your rebellion does" that is what i call an unparalleled show of unstable wits and pitiful Stockholm syndrome.
Just like the above story, if mary goes ahead and break up with Josh, Josh kills her and then says he wasn't the one that killed mary but rather mary killed herself by deciding to quite their relationship even when he told her that would cost her life.
It is inherently absurd but such abhorrence found in many religious doctrines are rather seen as a moral position, that is one demeaning and dangerous thing about these beliefs.
It ensures the glorification of such absurdity and respect of such unparalleled abhorrence
With just a little knowledge of what Love no human would ever regard such sinister blackmail to be love, Love is not violence and hate, obedience conformity or forceful, threat or ruin and neither is it bloody.
With all said and all known, it is not wrong to admit there are billions of victims of this punny blackmail and abuse but it is always OK when the abuser is claimed to be an alleged universal judiciary.
This is what to mull over, if there is this threat of torture and wrathful violence roped around the concept of God your religion reveres and this also comes with an offer of salvation and love from the wrath and torture schemes of the same God.
Ask yourself
Is this really salvation or abusive blackmail..

johnydon22:


Here is a more likely scenario

"Let me tell you something Mary,
if you leave me i will take away everything you hold dear and will surely kill you
myself.
If you stay with me i'll save you and you will be safe because i assure you no
harm will come to you from me but if you go on with this your act of rebellion i
will make your existence a horrible one, don't you see i love you mary?"
He sighs
"It's either you stay with me and love me like i love you or it will turn out ugly"

johnydon22:


as usual the point is lost to you because you never read before commenting, here is the point



Not whether some mythical Hell exists or not, we have thousands of hell from different God concepts..

malvisguy212:
That is your opinion, your way of thinking. Staying with jesus , your salvation is secure. Living Him, mean you want to earn your salvation through your effort. Jesus the Christ, describes the two roads open to men. One is a straight, narrow pathway leading to God and eternal life. The other is a broad and easy road leading to final
destruction. On this broad road are many
travelers, enjoying the fellowship of their
comrades and thinking little about their
destination.

johnydon22:


If the person offering you salvation is the same person threatening you then
it is not salvation, it is an emotional genocide and abuse of an individual's
choices..

Carry on

johnydon22:
We also waiting for followers of other religions to come defend their doctrines

malvisguy212:
So telling someone, don't smoke or you will die young, mean I am threatening him with death ? Alright. Goodluck.

johnydon22:

Telling someone to either love you or die is a threat, a blackmail, abuse and for a human to uphold such lunacy is demeaning to human nature.

malvisguy212:
Everyday we see this kind of people on the internet writing nonsense, something they have no knowledge of. but hardly you meet them face to face. Salvation is BIGGER than your imagination son.

malvisguy212:
there is absolutely NOTHING to defend here. You misunderstood salvation. I hope bro joe is reading this trash.

malvisguy212:
give me biblical reference of this your accusation.

johnydon22:


Ooh i am way above regurgitating over some nonsensical book, i am well above that..

The OP was about all religions with such doctrines but the insecurities in yours weighs so much on you that you are trying to make it about yours.

Lets keep the thread General rather its about all not one... so what ever you don't get then read the OP again if it doesn't hit your religion where it hurts then you have no business with it..

we understand the vulnerability of your religion that posts like this is a threat to it, i don't apologize for it

the truth will never cease to hurt and will never cease to be spoken

johnydon22:
then why are you whinning all over the thread if not trying to defend your mor0nic beliefs, the truth hits the spot doesn't it

Everyone who reads the above story can agree Mary is being abused here by
a very dangerous boy friend who is blackmailing her into loving him or she
gets murdered.

As bad as this is, this is done globally in a large scale and nobody is seeing
anything wrong in that profession of blackmail, act of abuse and show of
tyranny.

More than 4 billion people are under the umbrella of such situation in the
name of one religious belief or the other.

Classic case of Stockholm syndrome, we understand ... We are trying to help you do what you lack the courage to do.

Without the long whip of sceptic criticism, religions would weigh the world down a sorry state. We whip you lot into line

We are waiting for other religions to come defend theirs too before you deluded lot make it about your faith then conclude you are being attacked..

malvisguy212:
silly, were did you get the story of mary and joseph ? Is it not from the same bible you are claiming to big to read ? Smh

Mary has been dating Josh for as long as she could remember or at least
she thought so, he was a handsome tall young man with a charming smile,
intelligent and smart and was sweet.

They had been childhood sweethearts all through primary and secondary
school and now in the University their relationship flourished and bloomed.
Until she started noticing gradual change in Josh, he got angry easily these
days and sometimes would attempt slapping her out of anger, Josh who
usually opened the door for her now went ahead without looking back, he
even blamed her when one of his friends slapped her.

malvisguy212:
yes according to the op, mary is being abuse. BUT what does the BIBLE really say ?