malvisguy212:
bro, you have time to reply the op. The word "HELL" is given the atheist a sleepless night.

malvisguy212:
silly, were did you get the story of mary and joseph ? Is it not from the same bible you are claiming to big to read ?

johnydon22:


I doubt if you can read at all. . . Please mine is to write not to read it for people or comprehend it for them.

If you don't understand the OP read it as many times as possible.. it's obvious your beliefs are vulnerable that a post that addresses majority of religions weighs more concern on you.

No apologies there

stephenmorris:
shey you get brain at all ?

malvisguy212:
very good, if the op has nothing to do with the scripture, why bring christianity into it ?

malvisguy212:
thank God, you have brain.

CltrAltDelicious:

Yea right

malvisguy212:
Like it or not, the islamic HELL EXIST and its is the home of the rebellions, the wicked and sinful men and christians.

UncleSnr:
The truth is that logically, we all are going to hell... Allah will burn the Christians and co, while Yahweh burns the Muslims and other sects.

@Johnydon22 Thanks for trying to bring humanity into people.

UncleSnr:
The truth is that logically, we all are going to hell... Allah will burn the Christians and co, while Yahweh burns the Muslims and other sects.

@Johnydon22 Thanks for trying to bring humanity into people.

dorox:
Josh from the illustration given by the op is a bad man whose relationship with Mary is abusive, and his love for her is like a prison of nightmares that anyone would be happy to be freed from. It would be disingenuous for us to say that there is no truth to what the op is saying and to dismiss it as unworthy of deliberation.
However we slice and dice it, the concept of everlasting torture in fire can never be reconciled wih a loving God. Continuing with the analogy of the op, let us assume that Mary owes her existence to Joseph her creator who made her out of clay and gave her the ability to think and feel. Most religions believes that if Mary does not please her master/ creator he has the right to keep her in a furnace that is so hot and painful but incapable of killing her as an everlasting punishment to her disobedience of a few years. How sick is that? To me this is the height of wickedness, bringing someone to existence of your free will and not given the person a choice to stop existing should the person choose to do so.

johnydon22:


Most of these beliefs and myths are relics of an ignorant primitive past, holding such to be true is an insult to modern human intellectual development and holding the barbarism to be right is an insult to modern human ethical positions.

Some mistake my reasons as rebellion when i make nonsense of these myths, that is so wrong..

Such myths and ignorant philosophies are unworthy of modern humans, maybe good for entertainment but when peddled as truth is an enemy of truth so becomes a dangerous value.

I dispel these myths and absurd belief not out of rebellion but out of respect to human ethical position and intellect.

Thank you to brother!!!

johnydon22:
Mary let out a frustrated sigh as she stepped into her room, her feet aches from the shoes that was barely her size, her heads were throbbing and dry sweats stuck on her fading make-up.

"How could he say that to me?"

"Does he really love me then why does he have to threaten me?"

She cursed under her breathe dumping her weight on the bed and her thoughts wandered to the event that just transpired between her and Josh, she could still recall vividly.

Mary has been dating Josh for as long as she could remember or at least she thought so, he was a handsome tall young man with a charming smile, intelligent and smart and was sweet.

They had been childhood sweethearts all through primary and secondary school and now in the University their relationship flourished and bloomed.

Until she started noticing gradual change in Josh, he got angry easily these days and sometimes would attempt slapping her out of anger, Josh who usually opened the door for her now went ahead without looking back, he even blamed her when one of his friends slapped her.

In short their relationship can simply be defined now as 'a one sided romance' she knew she had to end it for her own good but how will she go about it.

She had managed to summon enough courage today, called Josh and informed him of her visit.

Josh's face grew blank and red as Mary rented her grievances and told him she wanted a break from the relationship.

She could notice his face twitch and his eyes dimmed and lost it's sparkle. it was hard to place what he really was feeling but she dreaded every second of that moment.

Then Josh spoke, his voice was calm and mild at the same time oozed with every ounce of seriousness.

"Mary i love you so much, i am madly in love with you mary don't leave me because i love you and don't want you to go"

He said holding her shoulders

"I know Josh but i just need...."

"You just need what Mary?" He cut her short "Let me tell you something Mary, if you leave me i will take away everything you hold dear and will surely kill you myself.
If you stay with me i'll save you and you will be safe because i assure you no harm will come to you from me but if you go on with this your act of rebellion i will make your existence a horrible one, don't you see i love you mary?"

He sighs

"It's either you stay with me and love me like i love you or it will turn out ugly" his eyes were cold and she could feel his heart beat freeze.

A chilly cold ran down her spine, she wants to opt out of this relationship but apparently if she did, her life is on the line.

she certainly have no choice here. "How could Josh be this cold, abusive and a cheap blackmailer to get love?" she asked.

* * * *

Everyone who reads the above story can agree Mary is being abused here by a very dangerous boy friend who is blackmailing her into loving him or she gets murdered.

As bad as this is, this is done globally in a large scale and nobody is seeing anything wrong in that profession of blackmail, act of abuse and show of tyranny.

More than 4 billion people are under the umbrella of such situation in the name of one religious belief or the other.

Almost all the popular world religions boast of a setting where there is a God who loves humanity so much, needs man to conform to his will and love him back, worship him, revere him and be in a one sided relationship with him or He burns them in hell for eternity for choosing to become his enemy by not loving back or conforming obediently to his will.

Is there any difference between Mary's situation and that these religion has dipped their followers in?

I say "No"

Both are abusive, tyrannic, barbaric, sadistic and a petty show of cheap blackmail..

If the basis of your religion is roped around a God who is offering you salvation from his own torture schemes, Is it really really salvation or blackmail?

Is the issue of threat in order to instill conformity to a reciprocation of love really anything near love or just an emotional rape?

Why are the concept of God peddled by these religions subject to such petty tyranny, sadism, abuse and prone to cheap blackmail?

Free choice is not roped with options, when a choice roped within options it is no longer an exercise of free choice but a limited right on what to choose.

If the person offering you salvation is the same person threatening you then it is not salvation, it is an emotional genocide and abuse of an individual's choices..

We have heard reasons from the victims of these religions and their excuses for succumbing to such barbarism in the name of a religious doctrine always rings.

"It is better to believe and be on the safe side than disbelief and risk that torture"

This affirms that the basis of religion isn't really certainty in the actuality of their distinct deities, not Faith as an exercise of this uncertainty but rather fear of the abstract concepts of a torture chamber or the unknown and greed for a blissful paradise.

That fear drives the faith and ensures the stoic clutch to uncertainty.

I have always wondered how such God concepts also claim perfection and omni-everything but still acts with so much childishness and insecurity that even humans cannot stoop that low.

How can there be a perfect God who resorts to cheap blackmail to ensure conformity and still claims a profession of love, that is an insult to the human idea of what Love is or should be.

Now the most unjust part of this setting is that, the victims are always blamed for the actions of the perpetrator.

You get excuses like "God doesn't send you to hell your rebellion does" that is what i call an unparalleled show of unstable wits and pitiful Stockholm syndrome.

Just like the above story, if mary goes ahead and break up with Josh, Josh kills her and then says he wasn't the one that killed mary but rather mary killed herself by deciding to quite their relationship even when he told her that would cost her life.

It is inherently absurd but such abhorrence found in many religious doctrines are rather seen as a moral position, that is one demeaning and dangerous thing about these beliefs.

It ensures the glorification of such absurdity and respect of such unparalleled abhorrence

With just a little knowledge of what Love no human would ever regard such sinister blackmail to be love, Love is not violence and hate, obedience conformity or forceful, threat or ruin and neither is it bloody.

With all said and all known, it is not wrong to admit there are billions of victims of this punny blackmail and abuse but it is always OK when the abuser is claimed to be an alleged universal judiciary.

This is what to mull over, if there is this threat of torture and wrathful violence roped around the concept of God your religion reveres and this also comes with an offer of salvation and love from the wrath and torture schemes of the same God.

Ask yourself

Is this really salvation or abusive blackmail..

ayoku777:
Matthew 25v41 -Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS:

Can you see? Hell was never made for man; hell was prepared for the devil and his angels. But those who follow him will end up where he is headed.

If you tell your friend or loved one, don't road-trip with that guy, he is going to drive his car down a cliff, if you follow him that will be your fate; are you threatening your friend or telling him the truth? Is that threat or truth?

The devil is the first sinner, he is the first person to use his freewill to turn his back on God and rebel against Him. To turn your back on God is to road-trip with the devil.

If God tells you that if you turn your back on His love and His salvation, then you're road-tripping with the devil and will end up where he is headed -which is hell. How is that emotional blackmail? It is only truth!

Hell was not made for man, it was made for Lucifer and his angels. But those who follow him will end up where he is headed. And making that clear to people is not emotional blackmail or threat, but truth.

Telling people where the bus they're boarding is headed is not blackmail and telling people the destination of the person they're road-tripping with is not threat. It is truth in love. I would want to know.

Shalom

stephenmorris:
another rubbish ,don't you read before commenting,didn't your saviour also go to hell as claimed by your pastors

analice107:

Oh finally we see that Johnnydon's ish is not that God doesn't exist at all, but that God is Wicked, tyrannical and sadistic right? Man, you have got issues.

johnydon22:


No atheist ever looses sleep over something as childish as HELL otherwise he/she won't be atheistic.

Believe it or not we are only trying to help whimps like you who can't on their own break away from the grips of some nonsensical belief..

You should be "thanking them" for doing what you have no courage to

johnydon22:


If the person offering you salvation is the same person threatening you then
it is not salvation, it is an emotional genocide and abuse of an individual's
choices..

Carry on

analice107:

Yes, atheist loose sleep over it.
You don't think I expect you to admit it.
If you don't lose sleep over it, you wld ignore it, but you can't. God doesn't exist but you won't let the matter lie. Anywhere Christians gather, like Satan, you guys are there. Why? We are delude, stupid and all other insults you hip on us, but you can't see us gather and you rest.
Deep down you seriously wish these things are not true. But you know there are that's why it bothers and eat you guys up.
You've advised, dont that road trip with the guy.

analice107:

How is it a threat? Malvis asked you a question. Telling a guy "Smokers are likely to die of lung Cancer" Is it a threat or warning? Answer pls.

johnydon22:


As usual the point is lost to you... as a matter of fact i think your God is completely an ancient assumption and does not exist.

and then this post is not an attack on any particular religion or God concept but on all religions that reveres a God concept that has such abhorrent characteristics as the OP mentioned.

so this is not a debate of whether any deity exists or not but showing people the idiocy in glorifying completely disturbing beliefs and chronic sadism.

and perhaps free many minds still clutched deep in the bonds of these religious blackmail and abuse.

I have freed many of such and still do

" Most of these beliefs and myths are relics of an ignorant primitive past, holding
such to be true is an insult to modern human intellectual development and
holding the barbarism to be right is an insult to modern human ethical
positions.

Some mistake my reasons as rebellion when i make nonsense of these myths,
that is so wrong..

Such myths and ignorant philosophies are unworthy of modern humans, maybe
good for entertainment but when peddled as truth is an enemy of truth so
becomes a dangerous value.

I dispel these myths and absurd belief not out of rebellion but out of respect to
human ethical position and intellect."

johnydon22:

Here is the actual case

If the person offering you salvation is exactly the same person threatening you, then it is not salvation but blackmail, tyranny and sheer abuse.

she said God doesn't send you to hell but your rebellion, who exactly prepared hell..

you?

Check another similar scenario.

Mr John was walking along the way enjoying the music from his newly bought phone, and then all of a sudden Mr Yahweh jumps out with a gun pointed at John's face.

Give me that Phone or i shoot you..

Now John has two options either give the phone to Mr Yahweh and live or refuse and bite the bullet.

Mr John rebels and refuses and Mr Yahweh pulls the trigger and runs later apprehended by the police and charged to court.

His lawyer Analice107 makes a case for him, she rents.

"Your honour, Mr Yahweh here is innocent of murder, Mr john actually committed suicide"

"How so?" Asked the baffled judge.

"Your honour, my dear mr Yahweh lovingly asked Mr John for his phone or he gets the bullet and this is rooted in Mr John's freewill, he either chooses to obey the authority or choose the bullet.

He chose the bullet by refusing and rebelling against my dear loving mr yahweh. so you see, it was not Mr yahweh that killed mr John rather it was Mr John's rebellion and refusal to comply with the demands of the loving gentle Yahweh."

And then the Judge declares Yahweh innocent.

So you see?

As she said, Yahweh is innocent of abuse and blackmail by threatening you with hell just as much as an armed robber who demands your phone or get shot is innocent of abuse and blackmail.

they are both warning you on what will happen if you refuse

johnydon22:


Haaaa as usual

johnydon22:

Please show me one place the OP mentioned Christianity..

analice107:


Usual what? That you won't let what doesn't exist remain non-existent?
It's so funny how you craftily came up with an article or whatever it is, lamely attempting to blackmail God, yet turning it around and saying the same thing about God. Men Satan is crafty.
You see this issue? It's a done deal, no amount of hate speech or blackmail against God is going to change anything. The sinful and the rebellious will all with their master Satan end in hellfire.

CltrAltDelicious:
Yea right

malvisguy212:
don't my him my sister, his intention was against christianity, but he later twist the argument, because the op made no mention of christianity.

analice107:

Yes, atheist loose sleep over it.
You don't think I expect you to admit it.
If you don't lose sleep over it, you wld ignore it, but you can't. God doesn't exist but you won't let the matter lie. Anywhere Christians gather, like Satan, you guys are there. Why? We are delude, stupid and all other insults you hip on us, but you can't see us gather and you rest.
Deep down you seriously wish these things are not true. But you know there are that's why it bothers and eat you guys up.
You've advised, dont that road trip with the guy.

analice107:

They are all undercover Satanists preaching against God for their master. In another News, the supernatural doesn't exist at all, and in another news, Yahweh is wicked, tyrannical and sadistic. When Adolf Hitler commits a crime, they blame it on God.
When Boko Haram burn Churches and kill the people of God, they still blame God. They have stripped man of his freewill, making him a robot without rights and responsibilities.
Am yet to see anyone of this people come up even once to speak against Satan's rebellion or Adam disobedience, or the terrible evil committed by men today, but all I hear since I joined NL and met this people is a Gospel against God. Their Judgement has always been God versus every other being, Satan or man, and always God is the guilty and wicked one. No mention of the actions of the other parties.
This is called the Luciferean gospel.
Let them keep preaching it. It's actually their time to show their working. Very soon the Anti-Christ will step forward from behind the scene and his seed shall enjoy along side him.
If I didn't see what all of these people do here in the Bible, I would have been so disturbed, but it's all there, it's also there that they will all fail eventually.
To hell shall Satan and all his people go.