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Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by Amberon11: 4:10am On Apr 20, 2016 |
Why are you twisting the words of your supposed "God"?? that verse up there has nothing to do with the bible and whether it was corrupted or not. It simply says the followers of Christ will be made more superior. PHAYOL81: |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by mustymatic(m): 7:52am On Apr 20, 2016 |
Amberon11:Can you tell us in what way modern christians follow jesus....by worshiping him? did he worship himself? or better did he ask you to? that is a misconception even among Christians. some will tell you he is god, others will say he has a god, and some will tell you he is one of the three gods...And then...they are called christians ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by truthmans2012: 11:13am On Apr 20, 2016 |
mustymatic: Stop the trash my friend. What did the Christians believe in the time of Muhammad as the quran makes us to know? Yet the quran says Christians are going to heaven with their belief. That is to say all the wrong accusations levelled against the Christians by muslims and the quran is a nullity. Quran 2:62] Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. Since the Jews and Christians are going to heaven with reward, why was Muhammad killing them? You should be able to see now that the quran is satanic manipulation. Please note that what the Chrisrians in Muhammad's time believed that made them to qualify for heaven is what we believe now. The Bible says we are going to heaven, the quran says the same, meaning double assurance. But for muslims quran says they are going to hell (Qur'an 3:185, 19:68-71). Which do you prefer, heaven or hell? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by Amberon11: 12:49pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Do you know our God better than us. Jesus is God. Read John 1: 1 mustymatic: |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by Amberon11: 12:51pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
bless you! these Muslims are waxing higher in delusions. truthmans2012: 1 Like |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by mustymatic(m): 2:24pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Amberon11:Unfortunately... Yes sir Assuming the translation is correct (which its not, the capital G should be small g, it should read the word was a god, satan is also called god in the Bible yet they give him a small g, but for Jesus a capital!) then what we have here is Jesus who is the word is called God, wow I guess Jesus is God then right?! No. You see, my first question to the Christian is this, is this Jesus speaking? The answer is no, this is NOT Jesus speaking! This is supposedly the disciple John writing this here not Jesus! So what we have is an interpretation of what one man thought! Why cant Christians get us Jesus saying in the beginning the word was with God and the word was God, why didn’t Jesus ever say this?! So Christians now want us to believe Jesus is God because of what a man said? A man’s interpretation! The Bible itself testifies that the disciples often miss-understood Jesus and didn’t understand him! So John 1:1 does not prove anything, it is not Jesus speaking, and the Gospel of John itself shows Jesus is not God from the very words of Jesus himself! 1 Like |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by mustymatic(m): 2:43pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
truthmans2012:smh ![]() The aim of the verse is merely to repudiate the illusion cherished by the Jews that, by virtue of their being Jews, they have a monopoly of salvation. They had long entertained the notion that a special and exclusive relationship existed between them and God. They thought, therefore, that all who belonged to their group were predestined to salvation regardless of their beliefs and actions,. whereas all non-Jews were predestined to serve as fodder for hell-fire. To clarify this misgiving the Jews are told that what really matters in the sight of God is true faith and good deeds rather than formal affiliation with a certain religious community. Whoever has true faith and good deeds to his credit is bound to receive his reward, since God will judge people on the basis of merit rather than on the grounds that a man's name happens to be listed in the world as a member of one religious community or the other. |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by Amberon11: 3:09pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
I'm not in the habit of engaging in meaningless conversations. Jesus Christ is God. He was not created, he is the creator, not the creation and he took part in the creation process with God. mustymatic: |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by truthmans2012: 4:38pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
mustymatic: Trash as usual. Meaningless. |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by mustymatic(m): 5:23pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Amberon11:even the Bible didn't say No proof. as truthmans2012 truthman2012 will say..Trash! 2 Likes |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by mustymatic(m): 5:28pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
truthmans2012:And you want your posts to be responded to next time... aiii 2 Likes |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by truthmans2012: 8:20pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
mustymatic: Not necessarily, only if you have something meaningful. |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by mustymatic(m): 9:16pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
truthmans2012:Dumb people do not know what meaningful is...if you can call the above trash without any reasonable defense.. then sorry, you are deaf dumb and blind 1 Like |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by Nobody: 8:51pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
My question to Muslims is if the Quran is infallible, why does it lack historical evidence? |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by ypeace: 10:28am On Apr 22, 2016 |
lordnicklaus:............... You are either debating with ignorant Muslims or lying. |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by ypeace: 10:33am On Apr 22, 2016 |
Amberon11:............... Why did you quote the Qur'an anyhow? The Qur'an says they are superior to unbelievers. You stopped at superior. Why are you mischievous in quoting a simple verse. |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by ypeace: 10:43am On Apr 22, 2016 |
lordnicklaus:................ Historical evidence such as? The question is a little vague. Kindly make it clearer. You can illustrate with something or event that is infallible which also has historical evidence. |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by ypeace: 10:48am On Apr 22, 2016 |
mustymatic:..................... Please brother, remember to debate with them in a beautiful manner. Show them evidence but do not call them dumb etc. Remember we are not even allowed to abuse their god. And also remember only Allah can guide to the right path. May Allah guide us right. |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by najib632(m): 11:12am On Apr 22, 2016 |
truthman2012:U have never read the Qur'an dats why you are talking like this. Qur'an is the only book without mistake. there has been one version since it was revealed to prophet Muhammad S.A.W. Only the tells the truth on how Jesus was giving birth to. Algebra was formed out of the Qur'an if ypu doubt me there is Google, in the Qur'an clearly God talk about the expansion of thd universes, the Qur'an was the first book to state that the sun is a star, Qur'an is the first book to state that the moon and the sun are not meant to over take each other they all float in an orbit. Islams is talks of gog and magog and the anti christ and even the arrival of Jesus so don't just get posined with hate because of your ignorance. |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by najib632(m): 11:38am On Apr 22, 2016 |
truthman2012:please i will like you to stop thinking that Allah is another diety apart from God. Allah is the arabic word for God, and the issue about the bible has not been changed is crap look around how many bibles exist today and every year the bible is modified. The bible can never be compared to the Qur'an. Look at the unintelligent way the bible said the world was created no scientist belives but all of the agree with Islamic version, the Quran talks about the formation of an embryo in a very authentic form no doctor can argue with it the Qur'an talked clearly about the expansion of the universe something that was discovered not so long ago. If the holy war never happened Europeans wont know what is science. Even algebra was formed from the Qur'an if you doubt any oof these things I have stated ask google. Allah guides whom he wills |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by truthmans2012: 2:06pm On Apr 22, 2016 |
najib632: What you said the quran says doesn't make it a revelation from God. Satan knows all those. Qur'an 109:1-6 makes it clear that Allah is not Yahweh that people knew as God before Muhammad's islam: [Qiran 109:1-6] 1. Say: O disbelievers! (i.e the Jews and Christians who believed not in Allah as in Quran 9:29) 2. I worship not that which ye worship; 3. Nor worship ye that which I worship. 4. And I shall not worship that which ye worship. 5. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. 6. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. Muhammad was told by allah to tell the people that what he was worshiping (Allah) wasn't what the Jews and Christians were worshiping (Yahweh). But it was Yahweh people knew as God before Muhammad was born. In fact there were Christians in Mecca at that time. Since allah is not Yahweh, who is he? The truth is, allah was one of the 360 idols inside Kaaba and the head of them. This is the reason Allah and the true God are not the same. |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by Nobody: 5:54pm On Apr 22, 2016 |
ypeace: The biblical figure of Nebuchadnezzar has been historically proven with the discoveries of Babylonian clay tablets. Cyrus' cylinder was discovered. An ossuary was discovered in November 1990 with the Aramaic inscription Yosef bar Kayafa (Joseph son of Caiaphas) and he was the same priest who tried Jesus of Nazareth. A seal belonging to Yehucal (Jucal) was discovered in Jerusalem in 2005. The impression was inscribed in Hebrew as this: l'Yehucal ben Shlemiyahu ben Shobi which means "Belonging to Jehucal son of Shelemiah son of Shobi" In recent years two bullae (seals) attributed to Baruch the secretary of Jeremiah the prophet was discovered Give any historical evidence and archaeological discoveries that support Quran. |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by Nobody: 6:06pm On Apr 22, 2016 |
najib632: The Algebra was formed by an Arab named Al Jabra and not from the Quran. Your Quran did not describe embryo correctly. It said embryos are formed from congealed blood (Surah 22:5). There are many laughable errors in your Quran. I will list them with their Suras. 1. The earth is flat (Surah 88:20) 2. Semen is formed between backbone and ribs (Surah 86:6-7) 3. The sun sets in a muddy pool (Surah 18:86) 4. There are seven earths (Surah 65:12) 5. The sun orbits the earth (Surah36:38-40). I still have more but digest these ones now. I have lots of scientific accuracies in the bible. I will quote them if you want. 1 Like |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by promise101: 8:51pm On Apr 22, 2016 |
Amberon11:Please, in all humility and respect, who is a christian? |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by Nobody: 10:37pm On Apr 22, 2016 |
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Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by Nobody: 11:18pm On Apr 22, 2016 |
lordnicklaus: Actually the father of Algebra is Al-Khwarazmi known as Algorithm in English, mathematical concepts came from the study of astronomy, and many astronomical notions are in the Quran, so the brother isnt wrong. Your Quran did not describe embryo correctly. It said embryos are formed from congealed blood (Surah 22:5). From what is it formed? There are many laughable errors in your Quran. I will list them with their Suras. Lets see them!!! But be rest assured that you will also defend yours! 1. The earth is flat (Surah 88:20) You will have to tell me how spread out = flat, in case you dont know, for something to be flat, it has to be a plane shape, so explain how spread out equals a plane shape description, but lets see your bible in this case: Isaiah 11:12 12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV) Revelation 7:1 1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV) Anything that is FOUR CORNERED is either a parallelogram, a square or a rectangle, last time i checked, these are all plane shapes, a plane shape is flat!! So its your buy-bull that made a laughable claim of the earth being flat not the Qlorious Quran. Lets see more Job 38:13 13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV) Jeremiah 16:19 19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV) Daniel 4:11 11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV) Matthew 4:8 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV) Astronomical bodies are spherical, and you cannot see the entire exterior surface from any place. The kingdoms of Egypt, China, Greece, Crete, sections of Asia Minor, India, Maya (in Mexico), Carthage (North Africa), Rome (Italy), Korea, and other settlements from these kingdoms of the world were widely distributed. Now here is the truth, where the earth was called geospherical in the Quran. Allah said "wal Arda ba'da zhaalika dahaha" meaning "and thereafter the earth was made egg-shaped" , the Arabic word translated to egg-shaped there is DAHAHA , DAHAHA was derived from the Arabic word duhiya, duhiya is the Arabic word for the egg of an ostrich, why didn't Allah use BAIDATUN which is the arabic word for the normal chicken egg, why duhiya the egg of an ostrich? the earth is not round nor is it a perfect sphere but it is Geo-spherical in shape, if you see the egg of an ostrich it is also in that shape. So you have to get your facts right!! 2. Semen is formed between backbone and ribs (Surah 86:6-7) Hope you are not trying to say that Semen is formed from the testicles? Because you will just embarass yourself here, science has shown that it actually comes from the abdomen, The Fluid contains many things. Between 95 to 98% of it consists of fructose, prostaglandin hormones, metal and salt ions, lipids, steroid hormones, enzymes, basic amines, and amino acids. All those are produced from the glands located in abdomen. Between 2 to 5% of it consists of the sperms produced in the testicles. The Quran does not say where Fluid is produced. Just where it comes from during Reproduction! In fact, if the Quran had said that the Fluid is produced in the abdomen, (“between the ribcage and the spine”), and not the testicles, it would still be accurate. At least 95 to 98% accurate! Only 2-5% of the Fluid is contributed by the testicles. The rest is produced in the glands located in the pelvic cavity. But the Quran does not say where the Fluid is produced, because the Quran is not 98% accurate. It is 100% ACCURATE! Fluid is stored in vesicles that lie in the abdomen. From there it is ejaculated during Reproduction. Lay people like you still think that the Erupt comes from the testicles. 3. The sun sets in a muddy pool (Surah 18:86) When you don't understand Arabic, dont rely on one translation, it will be erroneous for you to do that. let's see several translations. Until when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he perceived it setting in a miry spring...[Abdul Majid Daryabadi]. Until, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he saw it setting in a spring of hot and black muddy water... [Ali Unal] Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud...[Sahih international] After looking at a few translation of the verse it becomes clear what the verse is saying. The verse clearly says Dhul-Qarnayn travelled to the end of the land (i.e. until he reached the sea), as far west as he could travel. When he travelled west and reached the coast, there was no more land in this direction(on his route to travel westward), there was only the ocean, and the sun was setting. And as he looked across the murky body of water he saw the sun setting at the horizon. for you to understand what I'm saying, look at the photo attached to this post and tell me what you see, whatever you see is the same thing Dhul-Qarnayn saw, ![]() ^^This is what the Quran described! so chief its your gullibility and hate that brought about the alleged mistake. 4. There are seven earths (Surah 65:12) You have a problem with this? It has not been proven nor disproven just like so many other things that scientists are still looking for answers, how would you see an atheist making mockery of you because you believe in heaven an hell? When it has not been disproven...So what issues do you have with muslims believing in this? 5. The sun orbits the earth (Surah36:38-40). Here are the verses: And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing. And the moon - We have determined for it phases, until it returns [appearing] like the old date stalk. It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming. Bros you can lie for Africa, show us the claim in the verses. I still have more but digest these ones now. I have lots of scientific accuracies in the bible. I will quote them if you want. First refute these: Proverbs 6:6-8, says ants have no commander, no ruler and no overseer! This is absurdly false, because ants live in colonies and ranks of rulership and authority. And they have a queen. Revelations 12:1-9, the dragon will enter heaven and wage war with the angels! Lolzzzzz, It is a classic fairy tale from a magical world. This reminds me of merlin ![]() Matthew 13:31-32 "He (Jesus) told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. Though it is the smallest of all your seeds," Actually, The mustard seed is not the smallest of all seeds. Others, such as the orchid seed, are smaller. John 12:24 "I tell you the truth, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds." Lolzzz, ![]() Enjoy...... 1 Like |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by PHAYOL81: 11:56pm On Apr 22, 2016 |
Amberon11: I wsnt referring to that verse my dear bt the Quran in general. Lots of verses in the Quran made mention of Bible as a holly book and that it deserves utmost respect like the rest of other revelations but yes, I maintain that that doesn't include the corrupted ones around today. |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by PHAYOL81: 12:12am On Apr 23, 2016 |
truthman2012: There's something they say about change and time or need I stress on that? Yes there was a bible at Muhammad's time bt could you possibly tell me which of the series present today is actually the right version? Can you possibly point to one today with the original chapters, verses and textual arrangement? If so many changes could come up these length of time, what could possibly stop me from believing the right version is kept in one unreachable chamber somewhere to cover-up some secret ... and still, with the series of translation from the original Latin, I bet its corrupted. |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by truthmans2012: 8:02am On Apr 23, 2016 |
PHAYOL81: I wonder what you guys say about Bible versions. It is only the English Bible that have versions and that is because there is new and old English and there is British and American English. You cannot find versions in Bible with local languages like Yoruba, Igbo or Hausa. Even the English versions are saying the same thing in different expressions. The intention is not to change the original messages. Even the quran has serious differences in translations that change the original meaning. I know you will say the Arabic remains the same but what is the intention trying to confuse non-Arab readers? Read: www.nairaland.com/2933766/bible-versions-better-than-quranic |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by PHAYOL81: 9:21am On Apr 23, 2016 |
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Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by Amberon11: 11:34am On Apr 23, 2016 |
Who corrupted the bible and can you provide the original one? since you claim so. You Muslims don't have a mind of your own. Imam says kill, you kill, bomb, you bomb. that's why all the dangerous countries to live in are Islamic countries. Just cuz a certain sheik or imam started peddling lies about the bible being corrupted, every Muslim now says it. provide the original copy of the bible or ask your most prominent imam to do so. PHAYOL81: |
Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by Amberon11: 11:40am On Apr 23, 2016 |
your delusionals are now of grandeur. Somebody hand this dude a medal. PS: desist from smoking as it reduces the mental capacity of the brain. mustymatic: |
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