Scholar8200:
Are you saying he was a corpse?

DoctorAlien:


You can call him a corpse, yeah. The Bible is very clear that Adam was lifeless after GOD created him. Then GOD breathed into his nostrils, and he became a living soul. (Gen. 2:7)

DoctorAlien:


Here is another proof of the fact that without the breath of life, man is lifeless:

"Thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust. Thou sendest forth thy spirit, and they are created" Psalm 104:29,30

Scholar8200:
Are you saying Adam was dead initially at creation? If yes, why did he not return to the same state after he sinned? Or, was satan right after all?

Scholar8200:
Vs 25-28 was talking of the animals, not man.

DoctorAlien:


Psalm 104:29,30 "Thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust..."

How can you say the before GOD gave Adam the breath of life, he was alive, since the removal of the breath results in death? If Adam was alive before GOD breathed into his nostrils, was there any need of GOD doing so again?

Scholar8200:
Before we proceed I suggest you change that passage to one with proper application to man, that one refers to the animals enumerated in vs 25-28!

DoctorAlien:


Now, do you know that the Bible refers to animals as souls too?

"And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea" Rev. 16:3

Now, are the souls of animals immortal too?

Scholar8200:
NO!

Interesting! So, who are the highlighted:

in which He also went and preached to the spirits now in prison, 20 who once were disobedient, when the great patience of God was waiting in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons [Noah’s family], were brought safely through the water.
1 Peter 3:19,20

and

[a]For if God did not [even] spare angels that sinned, but threw them into [b]hell and sent them to pits of gloom to be kept [there] for judgment;
2 Peter 2:4

you are WRONG!!!
http://biblehub.com/strongs/greek/2851.htm tells me kolasis means punishment, torment. Mind showing us your Greek source for the meaning of that word?

Beast=Antichrist=Person; that Person (who has all those titles) is the one that will be thrown into the lake of forever

YES

Revelations is silent on that, I will be too. Those that were mentioned as personalities-devil, beast, false prophet, sinners- will be tormented therein.

Why not run to the Greek like you did above? Why stay with the translation in English perhaps because that one favours you.

Scholar8200:
Now see the Word thus translated:

◄ 5590. psuché ►
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
soul, life, self

From psucho; breath, i.e. (by implication) spirit, abstractly or concretely ([size=14pt]the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from pneuma[/size], which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from zoe, which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew nephesh, ruwach and chay) -- heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you.

Do we blame the translators for using a transliteration here? NO, they were not 21st century linguistic scholars. Besides, it is clear that no one assumed wrongly that the synonym for soul=immortal. That holds only in man, made in the Divine Image.

Scholar8200:

Here is what I find:

From naphash; properly, a breathing creature, i.e. Animal of (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental) -- any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead(-ly), desire, X (dis-)contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart(-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortally, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-)self, them (your)-selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it

STrong's concordance

That's easy! Was Adam a lifeless corpse after God created him? What about the fishes and birds and animals who were without that Divine operation? Where they not alive?

When God said that if Adam eat the forbidden fruit, he will die. Did Adam drop dead? Or was Satan right when he said,"thou shall not die"? NO

They died immediately(not separation of soul from body)- they lost that Divine Breath by which they were Illuminated with the Life of God.

DoctorAlien:


Psalm 104:29,30 "Thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust..."

How can you say the before GOD gave Adam the breath of life, he was alive, since the removal of the breath results in death? If Adam was alive before GOD breathed into his nostrils, was there any need of GOD doing so again?

CANTICLES:

he err big time .

CANTICLES:


dont defend the indefensible , everyone knows Numbers 6:6 and Leviticus 21:11 was twisted to read body despite the fact that nephesh in the Hebrew scriptures means soul . this is a general knowledge that even strongs admit

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nephesh: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion
Original Word: נָ֫פֶשׁ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: nephesh
Phonetic Spelling: (neh'-fesh)
Short Definition: soul

every concordance admit this .

living nephesh = livin soul

dead nephesh = dead soul

lifeless as the dust from which he was formed, he was a moulded dust . it still needs the breath of life to activate its vital organs .

even animals the bible said have the breath of life in their nostrils - Gen 7:21,22 . its essential for life .

DoctorAlien:


You have not supported your false view that the soul is immortal with Biblical texts.

CANTICLES:


actually, I dont expect you to say YES ! the point is clear , infact am happy u said u know what it suggests .

this jumbo jumbo style of discussion is not called for , the point I stressed before u quote this is : only Jesus is given immortality .

immortality means cannot die . therefore if only Jesus is given immortality 1 tim 3:16 . all other angelic beings can die

they start existing by creation .. they dont exist before they were created ! and can be returned to their former non existence state since they are not immortal .

even demons know the judgement waiting for them is DESTRUCTION.
- Mark 1:24

Dr. Young in his popular Young's Analytical Concordance, p. 995, defines this word, kolasis, as "a pruning, restraining". And although Strong's Exhaustive Concordance merely tells us kolasis derives from the source words kolazo and kolos (which means "to curtail", The New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance tells us that kolasis comes from kolazo and kolos and that kolos means "docked" ("dock .... 1. to cut off" - Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary).


And what does highly respected NT Greek expert W. E. Vine say about the source word (kolazo) for kolasis in his An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, p. 903 ?: "kolazo primarily denotes to curtail, prune, dock (from kolos, docked)."



An Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon says that kolazo is "Properly, to curtail, dock, prune" - p. 441, Liddell & Scott, Oxford, 1994 printing.

lol, the beast SYMBOLIZE that person ryt ? to take it literal is to say an actual beast will be thrown into the Lake of fire

since you confess the beast represents someone , wht does the Lake of fire in which the beast is thrown represents ?

remember a symbolic beast cant be thrown into a literal lake of fire !

grave will be tormented forever ? o my God.

lols , everyone on the thread could now see your desperation to cover the loop holes in ur false teaching .

haba, u are the one dividing personalty nd non personalty . the bible did not bro

face the fact, if the lake of fire is a literal place of torment it simply means death and Grave will be tormented forever !

but the bible says instead they will be no more " Rev 21:4 , 1 cor 15:26. very simple and full of sanity

oga, bossom of the man called Abraham, thats it ! his chest

Scholar8200:
twisted because the JW were there since the early centuries? Whose interest was the twisting to serve? Answer!

The same strong was quoted before now hence in considering these synonyms, a recourse to the context, parallel passages and the whole revelation of scripture shows which is intended!
Where are your references?

But they are not in God's Image hence the aspect of immortality does not concern animals even if a pronoun is used for them.


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CANTICLES:


no one ask you this gramatical riddles

the point is nephesh is SOUL ? yes

the bible talks about a dead Nephesh / soul/ ? yes





can I know what you understand by being in Gods image ?,

cos if u equate being in God image with been immortal , why then are we not ALSO ALMIGHTY, ALL POWERFUL , like God ? its a serious question


i will show u countless verses refering to man as Mortals . man born of woman is short lived says the bible

Scholar8200:


Quote where I said that or accept that you have told a barefaced lie!

Scholar8200:
Call it whatever, however, give ONE proof of an 'angelic death' in the bible. (until you do this all posts from you that mentions my name would be ignored).

Scholar8200:
I expect my answers first viz, Bible passage that documents the death of an angel.

Scholar8200:
I have, you have chosen to close your eyes to them!

I used to have a fellow corps member just like you. Show him scriptures that contradicts his claims and when he has nothing to say, he jots it down and continues arguing blindly! The passage jotted down would not be re-visited again!

DoctorAlien:


Read Rev.20. Satan himself, the prince of rebellion, will be destroyed completely by the eternal fire.

CANTICLES:
dear friend, what if I was able to give concrete evidence of you saying Grave will be burned forever ? will u admit you are the Liar ?

would it prove that you actually dont put your mind in what is been discussed ? to the extent you forget what u said




here is the screenshot , marked with red .

CANTICLES:


provided you can prove angels inherit sin and death ?

nevertheless, none of them have immortality except Jesus ALONE . 1tim 3:16. bible talk am not canticles

Scholar8200:
what makes the fire eternal? Besides, do you agree with your friend that claims the fire is symbolic?

Scholar8200:

Correct me if I am wrong, that passage refers to the corruptible , outer man, not the soul.

Scholar8200:

Now show me where I said the Grave will be TORMENTED forever in that picture! At least that was what you claimed I said!

EMILO2STAY:
guy what is corruptible and what is soul please I don't know what your talking about. Define those terms according to the scriptures.

Scholar8200:

Where is the statement: Grave will be TORMENTED made by me?
You twist till you even try to twist this too?