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Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 5:47pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Here is another proof of the fact that without the breath of life, man is lifeless: "Thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust. Thou sendest forth thy spirit, and they are created" Psalm 104:29,30 ![]() |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 5:50pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:Are you saying Adam was dead initially at creation? If yes, why did he not return to the same state after he sinned? Or, was satan right after all? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 5:54pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:Vs 25-28 was talking of the animals, not man. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 5:55pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Psalm 104:29,30 "Thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust..." How can you say the before GOD gave Adam the breath of life, he was alive, since the removal of the breath results in death? If Adam was alive before GOD breathed into his nostrils, was there any need of GOD doing so again? ![]() |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 6:02pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Now, do you know that the Bible refers to animals as souls too? "And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea" Rev. 16:3 Now, are the souls of animals immortal too? ![]() 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 6:03pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:Before we proceed I suggest you change that passage to one with proper application to man, that one refers to the animals enumerated in vs 25-28! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 6:06pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Rev. 16:3 refers to animals as souls too. Are they immortal? |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 6:25pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:I know, however, no where is there any remote allusion to the immortality of animals after all they were not created in God's Image! Now see the Word thus translated: ◄ 5590. psuché ► Strong's Exhaustive Concordance soul, life, self From psucho; breath, i.e. (by implication) spirit, abstractly or concretely ([size=14pt]the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from pneuma[/size], which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from zoe, which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew nephesh, ruwach and chay) -- heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you. Do we blame the translators for using a transliteration here? NO, they were not 21st century linguistic scholars. Besides, it is clear that no one assumed wrongly that the synonym for soul=immortal. That holds only in man, made in the Divine Image. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by CANTICLES: 6:30pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Scholar8200: actually, I dont expect you to say YES ! the point is clear , infact am happy u said u know what it suggests . ![]()
this jumbo jumbo style of discussion is not called for , the point I stressed before u quote this is : only Jesus is given immortality . immortality means cannot die . therefore if only Jesus is given immortality 1 tim 3:16 . all other angelic beings can die they start existing by creation .. they dont exist before they were created ! and can be returned to their former non existence state since they are not immortal . even demons know the judgement waiting for them is DESTRUCTION. - Mark 1:24
Dr. Young in his popular Young's Analytical Concordance, p. 995, defines this word, kolasis, as "a pruning, restraining". And although Strong's Exhaustive Concordance merely tells us kolasis derives from the source words kolazo and kolos (which means "to curtail" ![]() And what does highly respected NT Greek expert W. E. Vine say about the source word (kolazo) for kolasis in his An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, p. 903 ?: "kolazo primarily denotes to curtail, prune, dock (from kolos, docked)." An Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon says that kolazo is "Properly, to curtail, dock, prune" - p. 441, Liddell & Scott, Oxford, 1994 printing.
lol, the beast SYMBOLIZE that person ryt ? to take it literal is to say an actual beast will be thrown into the Lake of fire since you confess the beast represents someone , wht does the Lake of fire in which the beast is thrown represents ? remember a symbolic beast cant be thrown into a literal lake of fire !
grave will be tormented forever ? o my God. lols ![]()
haba, u are the one dividing personalty nd non personalty . the bible did not bro ![]() face the fact, if the lake of fire is a literal place of torment it simply means death and Grave will be tormented forever ! but the bible says instead they will be no more " Rev 21:4 , 1 cor 15:26. very simple and full of sanity
oga, bossom of the man called Abraham, thats it ! his chest 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 6:46pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Scholar8200: You have not supported your false view that the soul is immortal with Biblical texts. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by CANTICLES: 6:57pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Scholar8200: dont defend the indefensible , everyone knows Numbers 6:6 and Leviticus 21:11 was twisted to read body despite the fact that nephesh in the Hebrew scriptures means soul . this is a general knowledge that even strongs admit Strong's > Hebrew > 5315 Free Downloads Strong's Concordance nephesh: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion Original Word: נָ֫פֶשׁ Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: nephesh Phonetic Spelling: (neh'-fesh) Short Definition: soul every concordance admit this . living nephesh = livin soul dead nephesh = dead soul
lifeless as the dust from which he was formed, he was a moulded dust . it still needs the breath of life to activate its vital organs . even animals the bible said have the breath of life in their nostrils - Gen 7:21,22 . its essential for life .
the day u lost that divine breath is the day the person dies. and will return to the ground from which he or she was taken. (psalm 104:29,30) in the case of Adam , the wages sin pays is death . opposite of life . and he eventually dies and return to the ground ( Gen 3:19) , he died that day not end of life but a spiritual death, which eventually leads to his end of life . 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by CANTICLES: 7:03pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
DoctorAlien: he err big time . 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 7:45pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
CANTICLES:As in ehn. E tire me. |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 7:54pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
CANTICLES:twisted because the JW were there since the early centuries? Whose interest was the twisting to serve? Answer! The same strong was quoted before now hence in considering these synonyms, a recourse to the context, parallel passages and the whole revelation of scripture shows which is intended! Where are your references? But they are not in God's Image hence the aspect of immortality does not concern animals even if a pronoun is used for them. the day u lost that divine breath is the day the person dies. and will return to the ground from which he or she was taken. (psalm 104:29,30) in the case of Adam , the wages sin pays is death . opposite of life . and he eventually dies and return to the ground ( Gen 3:19) , he died that day not end of life but a spiritual death, which eventually leads to his end of life .[/quote] 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 7:56pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:I have, you have chosen to close your eyes to them! I used to have a fellow corps member just like you. Show him scriptures that contradicts his claims and when he has nothing to say, he jots it down and continues arguing blindly! The passage jotted down would not be re-visited again! 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 8:15pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
CANTICLES:It seems you missed the meaning of that reply. Call it whatever, however, give ONE proof of an 'angelic death' in the bible. (until you do this all posts from you that mentions my name would be ignored). By what means then are they being held now as per the ones that fell still kept in chains of darkness? And that an everlasting one, quite different from a conclusive one. This will make sense if the passage in question was the basis of this, not just a picking up of the word possibly from another passage where the usage denotes curtail and presenting it here, be forthright! This has been cleared using 2 Thess 2. Pretending not to see it is one of the problems here. PAul there calls him by another name-man of sin!, Jesus in Matthew 24 calls him the abomination of desolation etc he that is ignorant, let him be ignorant still. Parallel passages quoted before answers this question! First you said the Fire is symbolic; next,it is a literal Fire but it will annihilate the devil ![]() There you go! Quote where I said that or accept that you have told a barefaced lie! And everyone can see your frantic efforts to twist the truth to suit your doctrines! Explain Hebrews 4:12. Then by what means will the devil and antichrist be punished forever? Answer!(Live out Fire since you claim it is a symbol of something; a claim that contradicts Matthew 25:46!0 Your meaning read into it. There lies your insincerity! You flee to Vine, Young, Greek etc for one word (not even in the right context) but cleave to the English here?! 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by CANTICLES: 8:18pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Scholar8200: no one ask you this gramatical riddles the point is nephesh is SOUL ? yes the bible talks about a dead Nephesh / soul/ ? yes
can I know what you understand by being in Gods image ?, cos if u equate being in God image with been immortal , why then are we not ALSO ALMIGHTY, ALL POWERFUL , like God ? its a serious question i will show u countless verses refering to man as Mortals . man born of woman is short lived says the bible 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 8:36pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
CANTICLES:I expect my answers first viz, Bible passage that documents the death of an angel. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by CANTICLES: 8:38pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
dear friend, what if I was able to give concrete evidence of you saying Grave will be burned forever ? will u admit you are the Liar ? would it prove that you actually dont put your mind in what is been discussed ? to the extent you forget what u said Scholar8200: here is the screenshot , marked with red .
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Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 8:43pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Read Rev.20. Satan himself, the prince of rebellion, will be destroyed completely by the eternal fire. |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by CANTICLES: 8:45pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Scholar8200: provided you can prove angels inherit sin and death ? nevertheless, none of them have immortality except Jesus ALONE . 1tim 3:16. bible talk am not canticles |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 8:47pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Support your false claim that the soul is immortal with a Bible text. 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 9:08pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:what makes the fire eternal? Besides, do you agree with your friend that claims the fire is symbolic? 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 9:13pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
CANTICLES:Now show me where I said the Grave will be TORMENTED forever in that picture! At least that was what you claimed I said! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 9:25pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
CANTICLES:Turning the tables under color? But you made the claim didnt you? Now and why did Jesus liken the resurrected saints with the angels? Matthew 22:30 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 9:32pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Scholar8200: The fire is eternal because it cannot be quenched, till it has completely and totally burned, destroyed and annihilated whatever it is burning, obliterating it from existence forever and ever. See Jude 7. Read Malachi 4:1, 3. This same eternal fire is seen here. This is the fire that will totally obliterate sin, sinners, Satan and his angels. Read 2 Thess. 1:8,9. Here, Paul talks about the kind of destruction with which the wicked will be destroyed. He says it is an "everlasting destruction from the presence of the LORD." The effects of the destruction is permanent. The wicked will cease to exist. 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by EMILO2STAY(m): 9:41pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Scholar8200:guy what is corruptible and what is soul please I don't know what your talking about. Define those terms according to the scriptures. |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by CANTICLES: 9:56pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Scholar8200:
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Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by goodnews201668: 11:15pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
EMILO2STAY:Did you read the thread at all? Why don't you go through the thread first. |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by goodnews201668: 11:44pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Kjv 1 Peter 3:20 says eight souls were saved during the flood of Noah's day, other translations says people. The soul is man. Kjv Revelations 16:3 also identified animals as souls, including fishes in the sea. Does the soul die? The Bible answers in Ezekiel 18:4 shows that the soul can die or ceast to exist. Talking about death and soul the book of Isaiah 53:12 says about Jesus, he poured out his soul at death. Some other translations uses the word (life). Ecclesiastics 9:10 king James version says whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might for there's no work, no device, no knowledge, no wisdom in the grave,wither though goest. If one is dead and alive in spirit the Bible won't say all these. Clearly the soul is perishable that's why we need Jesus's ransom sacrifice to be able to attain eternal life. |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 7:37am On Apr 21, 2016 |
[quote author=CANTICLES post=44888455][/quote] Where is the statement: Grave will be TORMENTED made by me? You twist till you even try to twist this too? |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Jessicha(f): 8:31am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: dont display idiocy here . the guy showed screenshot of u admiting grave will be burned FOREVER , didnt he ? you are like a man who was asked : All your children are Abroad ? he said "Yes" . only to deny later that I never said my children are abroad . lol why say Yes in the first place. gerrarahere. 1 Like |
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