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Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Jessicha(f): 8:31am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: dont display idiocy here . the guy showed screenshot of u admiting grave will be burned FOREVER , didnt he ? you are like a man who was asked : All your children are Abroad ? he said "Yes" . only to deny later that I never said my children are abroad . lol why say Yes in the first place. its called ignorance 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by malvisguy212: 8:44am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Jozzy4:Go and read my post again .I said the human soul is immortal, BUT this immortality can only be achieved when you believe in jesus. Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall NOT SURLY DIE: So satan was right when he say to the woman "you shall not die"? So man gain immortality through disobedient ? John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,that whose believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. The verse say "who so ever believe in him shall not perish" this imply that eternal life is NOT what you are born with. |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 9:01am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Jessicha:Where is the quote where I said "Grave will be TORMENTED forever!" Why claim I said something and cannot quote it? If I would accept that I said anything, this is it: CANTICLES: the point is clear, its torment is explained as Destruction are death and Grave personalities too, so what happen to them in the Lake of fire ? SCHOLAR8200: Revelations is silent on that, I will be too. Those that were mentioned as personalities-devil, beast, false prophet, sinners- will be tormented therein. Now in the same fashion quote where I said the grave will be TORMENTED. |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by malvisguy212: 9:07am On Apr 21, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:the word soul can be used to address the physical form of life that man and animal live in, that can cease to exist. AND also the word soul can use to describe something that will never die. But their is NO place in the bible it was use to describe animal that will never die. But instead it was use to describe man's soul that will never die.In speaking of Rachel’s death at the birth of her son, Moses wrote: “And it came to pass, as her soul was departing (for she died)” (Genesis 35:18). In revelation 5:1 and 6:9. The bible indicate john saw the soul of those who have been slain for the word of God. This imply that underneath of a body there exist a soul who survive the body. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 9:13am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Jessicha:now that you have resurfaced, care to help your fellows on the meaning of this: 48 where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mark 9:48 It says the Fire will not be quenched-Everlasting (Doctoralien take note). And that their worm dieth not (immortality). What then becomes of those cast there? What will the worms be acting on? 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Jessicha(f): 9:39am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: mtcheeew he asked 'do u mean GRAVE will be burned forever ? what was your response 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by goodnews201668: 9:47am On Apr 21, 2016 |
malvisguy212: You are right somehow man was created as a mortal, However faith in Christ makes it possible for one to attain everlasting life and this is after judgement. According to Bible it's only after judgement that one will qualify for life or not. Doesn't that make sense? |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Jessicha(f): 9:50am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Jesus is describing Gehenna a location visible to his listeners not an imaginary hell.
the worms in Gehenna act on carcasses of dead men thrown there . the very expression of worms and fire represents their destruction . " and they will actually go forth and look upon the carcasses of the men that were transgressing against me; for the very worms upon them will not die and their fire itself will not be extinguished, and they must become something repulsive to all flesh " Isaiah 66:24 i guess going by your analogy , the carcasses of this men described here is still burning and still eating by worms . ![]() 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by MizJanet(f): 10:03am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: churchianity man, is this not the same quote I gave that made you run from the other thread didn't the bible Jesus also said in this same chapter that the two feet , the two hands , and two eyes of man also go to hell ? IF YOU BELIVE THAT, TELL ME WHY NOBODY HAVE DIED and the eyes disapeared from their socket , and his two feets and hands not found in his coffin ? 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by MizJanet(f): 10:09am On Apr 21, 2016 |
malvisguy212: really ? @ bold hindu, Buddhist, muslims, taoist and others who dont belive in Jesus have mortal souls abi ? ![]() dont they have the same biological make up with you ? 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Jozzy4: 10:25am On Apr 21, 2016 |
malvisguy212: okay , u mean there are two options , its either eternal life ( living forever) or destruction - john 3:16 but can you tell me the difference between eternal life and immortality ? |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 10:31am On Apr 21, 2016 |
MizJanet:ok |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 10:32am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Jessicha:you left out the fire that is not quenched! If that was a visible place, who lit that unquenchable fire? Per that quote from Isaiah, hope doctoralien is seeing the error of annihilation? Now ma'am, the worm and the man will die not, period. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 10:33am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Jessicha:He claimed I said Grave will be TORMENTED, then let him show it! |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Jozzy4: 10:47am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200:all this baseless twisting tell me, what happen to All in the lake of fire ? |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 10:50am On Apr 21, 2016 |
malvisguy212: So, what was the soul doing as it survived the body? ![]() If the soul is immortal(which means, it cannot die), why did the Bible in 1 Tim. 6:16 say that only GOD has immortality? Can you mention one place in the Bible which supports your false claim that the soul is immortal? ![]() Can you define the soul, according to the Bible? |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 10:51am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Jozzy4: Scholar8200:My answer to your question can be gleaned from my response. |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Jozzy4: 10:51am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: i laughed and laughed when I read your babaric statement that Adam was alive before God gave him life . despite that you still went ahead to say if that was a visible place, google gehenna ( valley of hinnom) and lets know if its a visible place or not ! cheers . |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Jozzy4: 10:55am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: all i see there is an insecured man trying to justify a lie , and someone on this thread ask you did scripture divide the things in the lake of fire to personality and non personality ? they All are going to the same lake of fire, wht happen to A applies to B ! |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 10:56am On Apr 21, 2016 |
malvisguy212: If you want to say that somebody has died, what do you say? "He is no more" - right? If I say, "She has left the world", What do you think I mean? Simple - She is dead. Note the bolded part above too. It did not say "her soul was departing from her body". When it says her soul was departing, it implies she was about to leave the world to the place of the dead(grave). The lie which you have chosen to believe, that the soul is immortal, is not founded on the Bible. ![]() |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Jozzy4: 10:58am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: all i see there is an insecured man trying to justify a false reasoning , and someone on this thread ask you did scripture divide the things in the lake of fire to personality and non personality ? they All are going to the same lake of fire, wht happen to A inside the well applies to B too ! so come out clean , tell us what happen to ALL in the lake of fire ? |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Jozzy4: 11:00am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: all i see there is an insecured man trying to justify a false reasoning , and someone on this thread ask you did Revelation divide the things in the lake of fire to personality and non personality ? they All are going to the same lake of fire, wht happen to A inside the well applies to B too ! so come out clean , tell us what happen to ALL in the lake of fire ? |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by CANTICLES: 11:07am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Jessicha: lol, he answered " YES" , thanks so much
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Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 11:10am On Apr 21, 2016 |
malvisguy212: Can you give one instance in the Bible? ![]() The bolded part above: only GOD has that attribute.(1 Tim. 6:15,16). What are you saying? ![]() "Shall mortal man be more just than GOD? Shall a man be more pure than his Maker?" Job 4:17. Is there anything in this text which implies that man has another component which is immortal? ![]() |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by dolphinheart(m): 11:11am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Gen 2: 7 had given us a verry good knowledge on what the soul is, a man(made from dust, with the breathe of life in him) is a soul, it has life. likewise animals that has spirit in them are souls!. There are people on this thread who had tried to prove that the souls is immortal, but to do so, they have to seperate the soul from the body, and then refer to man as the soul and not the body. but scriptures quoted so far does not surpport this. The part I dnt like is when words are added to Specific words that the bible used in describing man and what happens to you at death. The scriptures tells us that man is a living soul, some scriptures say "life, living being, etc" I which they could have done a research into this and realise the truth about what soul really is. One who wants to can start with the Hebrew word "nephesh" which has Been translated into different english words even in same translation. If soul is also translated as life, then what leaves the body is the life of that person. that is the life that person enjoys had stop functioning. what made it to stop functioning , the spirit which was used to activate the man is no longer active in the man. I can quote lots of scriptures to surpport my views, but not yet. for those who believe the soul goes to hell fire and it is immortal, pls go and read about what man's creator said will happen to the first man when he died. God told him where he will return to. For those who use gehenna as hell fire, you like that verse cus it talks about soul and body, and you can use to say soul seperate from the body, but how you refuse to explain how come the body goes to hell fire too with the soul is what baffles me, if you can't explain that, dnt you think your understanding of the verse is wrong?. you say soul is seperate from the body, but you quote scriptures that say soul and body goes to the same place and have the same outcome, how, why?. The scriptures has said man is a living soul the scriptures had refered to men as souls the scriptures had made reference to souls doing physical things such as eating the scriptures had said "soul that is sinning will DIE! but some will still claim the soul cannot die. anything that has been created, can be uncreated. The process of the creation of man is mentioned in the bible, the psalmist reversed that process to show how man dies and where man goes to then he dies. man without the spirit is dead, that's why only God through Jesus can ressurected anyone, can give that person life again, and this time evalasting! 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 11:19am On Apr 21, 2016 |
malvisguy212: Do you know that the same thing that happens to animals is what happens to man? "For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as one dieth, so dieth the other, yea, they have all one breath; ... All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again" Eccl. 3:19,20. If the same thing that happens to man happens to animals, are the souls of animals immortal too? ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by goodnews201668: 11:22am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Gehenna is a place where they burn someone it could be a criminal who doesn't deserve a befitting. The worm are there to consume anything that the fire didn't consume. It's outside the city and it also served as a refuse dumb. The fire is constant always because sulphur and brimstone was added to keep the fire burning. The Jews knew what Jesus had in mind. Jesus said cut of eyes, hands or legs etc or anything that will make you not to inherit the kingdom and throw inside the fire. So the fire Jesus was talking about the importance of doing away anything that'll stop us from making the kingdom. If Jesus talk about throwing some part of body he is being figurative here, not to be understand literally. In all Jesus using fire here is not supporting the false doctrine of hellfire. |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Jozzy4: 11:23am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: please answer her questions which are based on that chapter you quote from, am interested. 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 11:28am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Jozzy4:Go read Revelations 20:12-15 and discern how the dead will STAND before God. |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 11:30am On Apr 21, 2016 |
goodnews201668:Interesting! Tell me, how do the worms in this physical Gehenna survive such burning! |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by dolphinheart(m): 11:35am On Apr 21, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:not only same thing happening to them , the verse also says they have same spirit, go to the same PLACE, and are from same place. your question is very very very important, and I hope they give a scriptural answer. |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 11:46am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Jozzy4:point is the passage definitely says the devil, beast and false prophet will be tormented but since the passage is silent on grave etc, i'll be silent too. being your opinion. Using which reference? As for the men that will be cast there, we have other parallel passages that shows they would likewise be tormented forever. |
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