Scholar8200:

Where is the statement: Grave will be TORMENTED made by me?
You twist till you even try to twist this too?

Jozzy4:


malvis, malvis , u said the spirit and soul is immortal BUT YET U WENT AHEAD TO SAY immortality is not yet achieved until body is transformed . are u this confuse ?

Jessicha:


dont display idiocy here . the guy showed screenshot of u admiting grave will be burned FOREVER , didnt he ?

you are like a man who was asked : All your children are Abroad ? he said "Yes" . only to deny later that I never said my children are abroad . lol why say Yes in the first place.


its called ignorance

DoctorAlien:


You have not supported your false view that the soul is immortal with Biblical texts.

Jessicha:


dont display idiocy here . the guy showed screenshot of u admiting grave will be burned FOREVER , didnt he ?

you are like a man who was asked : All your children are Abroad ? he said "Yes" . only to deny later that I never said my children are abroad . lol why say Yes in the first place.


gerrarahere.

Scholar8200:
Where is the quote where I said "Grave will be TORMENTED forever!" Why claim I said something and cannot quote it?

If I would accept that I said anything, this is it:

CANTICLES:

the point is clear, its torment is explained as Destruction

are death and Grave personalities too, so what happen to them in the Lake of fire ?

SCHOLAR8200:
Revelations is silent on that, I will be too. Those that were mentioned as personalities-devil, beast, false prophet, sinners- will be tormented therein.


Now in the same fashion quote where I said the grave will be TORMENTED.

malvisguy212:
Go and read my post again .I said the human soul is immortal, BUT this immortality can only be achieved when you believe in jesus.
Genesis 3:4
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall NOT SURLY DIE:

So satan was right when he say to the woman "you shall not die"? So man gain immortality through disobedient ?

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,that whose believeth in him,
should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The verse say "who so ever believe in him shall not perish" this imply that eternal life is NOT what you are born with.

Scholar8200:
now that you have resurfaced, care to help your fellows on the meaning of this:


48 where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mark 9:48

It says the Fire will not be quenched-Everlasting (Doctoralien take note). And that their worm dieth not (immortality).

What then becomes of those cast there? What will the worms be acting on?

Scholar8200:



48 where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mark 9:48

It says the Fire will not be quenched-Everlasting (Doctoralien take note). And that their worm dieth not (immortality). What then becomes of those cast there? What will the worms be acting on?

malvisguy212:
Go and read my post again .I said the human soul is immortal, BUT this immortality can only be achieved when you believe in jesus.

Genesis 3:4
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall NOT SURLY DIE:

So satan was right when he say to the woman "you shall not die"? So man gain immortality through disobedient ?

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,that whose believeth in him,
should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The verse say "who so ever believe in him shall not perish" this imply that eternal life is NOT what you are born with.

really ? @ bold

hindu, Buddhist, muslims, taoist and others who dont belive in Jesus have mortal souls abi ?

dont they have the same biological make up with you ?

malvisguy212:
Go and read my post again .I said the human soul is immortal, BUT this immortality can only be achieved when you believe in jesus.
Genesis 3:4
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall NOT SURLY DIE:

So satan was right when he say to the woman "you shall not die"? So man gain immortality through disobedient ?

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,that whose believeth in him,
should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The verse say "who so ever believe in him shall not perish" this imply that eternal life is NOT what you are born with.

MizJanet:



churchianity man, is this not the same quote I gave that made you run from the other thread


didn't the bible Jesus also said in this same chapter that the two feet , the two hands , and two eyes of man also go to hell ?

IF YOU BELIVE THAT, TELL ME WHY NOBODY HAVE DIED and the eyes disapeared from their socket , and his two feets and hands not found in his coffin ?

Jessicha:


Jesus is describing Gehenna a location visible to his listeners not an imaginary hell.



the worms in Gehenna act on carcasses of dead men thrown there . the very expression of worms and fire represents their destruction .

" and they will actually go forth and look upon the carcasses of the men that were transgressing against me; for the very worms upon them will not die and their fire itself will not be extinguished, and they must become something repulsive to all flesh " Isaiah 66:24


i guess going by your analogy , the carcasses of this men described here is still burning and still eating by worms .

Jessicha:



mtcheeew

he asked 'do u mean GRAVE will be burned forever ? what was your response

Scholar8200:
He claimed I said Grave will be TORMENTED, then let him show it!

malvisguy212:
In revelation 5:1 and 6:9. The bible indicate john saw the soul of those who have been slain for the word of God. This imply that underneath of a body there exist a soul who survive the body.

Jozzy4:


all this baseless twisting

tell me, what happen to All in the lake of fire ?

Scholar8200:
Where is the quote where I said "Grave will be TORMENTED forever!" Why claim I said something and cannot quote it?
If I would accept that I said anything, this is it:
CANTICLES:
the point is clear, its torment is explained as Destruction
are death and Grave personalities too, so what happen to them in the Lake of fire ?
SCHOLAR8200:
Revelations is silent on that, I will be too. Those that were mentioned as personalities-devil, beast, false prophet, sinners- will be tormented therein.
Now in the same fashion quote where I said the grave will be TORMENTED.

Scholar8200:
you left out the fire that is not quenched! If that was a visible place, who lit that unquenchable fire?

Scholar8200:

My answer to your question can be gleaned from my response.

malvisguy212:
In speaking of Rachel’s death at the birth of her son, Moses wrote: “And it came to pass, as her soul was departing (for she died)” (Genesis 35:18).

Scholar8200:

My answer to your question can be gleaned from my response.

Scholar8200:

My answer to your question can be gleaned from my response.

Jessicha:



mtcheeew

he asked 'do u mean GRAVE will be burned forever ? what was your response

malvisguy212:
But instead it was use to describe man's soul that will never die.

malvisguy212:
But their is NO place in the bible it was use to describe animal that will never die. But instead it was use to describe man's soul that will never die.

Scholar8200:
you left out the fire that is not quenched! If that was a visible place, who lit that unquenchable fire?

Per that quote from Isaiah, hope doctoralien is seeing the error of annihilation?

Now ma'am, the worm and the man will die not, period.

Scholar8200:
ok

Jozzy4:


please answer her questions which are based on that chapter you quote from, am interested.

goodnews201668:



Gehenna is a place where they burn someone it could be a criminal who doesn't deserve a befitting.
The worm are there to consume anything that the fire didn't consume.
It's outside the city and it also served as a refuse dumb.
The fire is constant always because sulphur and brimstone was added to keep the fire burning.
The Jews knew what Jesus had in mind.

Jesus said cut of eyes, hands or legs etc or anything that will make you not to inherit the kingdom and throw inside the fire. So the fire Jesus was talking about the importance of doing away anything that'll stop us from making the kingdom.
If Jesus talk about throwing some part of body he is being figurative here, not to be understand literally.
In all Jesus using fire here is not supporting the false doctrine of hellfire.

DoctorAlien:


Do you know that the same thing that happens to animals is what happens to man?

"For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as one dieth, so dieth the other, yea, they have all one breath; ... All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again" Eccl. 3:19,20.

If the same thing that happens to man happens to animals, are the souls of animals immortal too?

Jozzy4:


all i see there is an insecured man trying to justify a false reasoning , and someone on this thread ask you did Revelation divide the things in the lake of fire to personality and non personality ?

they All are going to the same lake of fire, wht happen to A inside the well applies to B too !

so come out clean , tell us what happen to ALL in the lake of fire ?