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Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Jozzy4: 6:15pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
DoctorAlien: very good question. |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Jozzy4: 6:26pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: then a man is a soul, cos these attributes belong to earthling man . have u seen your imaginary soul before ? if no, u cant just give human attributes to a non existing entity . two hands, two feet , two eyes is description of man. expecially the tongue . prove is everywhere. u re a living proof check yourself
who told u they are found with head ? must u lie ? i will take u serious if u also belive Death riding a horse in that same chapter 6 is literal, so also Hades running after the horse of death and stars falling upon the earth . once u belive this as literal , then i will take u serious |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 6:26pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Jozzy4:Runaway tactic? Now that passage and its context has nothing to do with the final judgement that the others I have quoted hitherto deals with! Why not seek for passages relevant to the issue - hell and the soul? The Bible is replete with such! But Jesus categorically said God is not the God of the dead but of the living! That's no viewing or assumption but a fact! Where Elijah and Moses came from on the mount; where Elijah and Enoch were carried to; where Abraham and Lazarus were found after the death of the latter! |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Jozzy4: 6:29pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: where exactly ? |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 6:39pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
goodnews201668:Did you see the highlighted? Let's see: 23 Jesus looked around and said to His disciples, “How difficult it will be for those who are wealthy [and cling to possessions and status as security] to enter the kingdom of God!” 24 The disciples were [e]amazed and bewildered by His words. But Jesus said to them again, “Children, how difficult it is [for those who place their hope and confidence in riches] to enter the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man [who places his faith in wealth or status] to enter the kingdom of God. 22 But the man was saddened at Jesus’ words, and he left grieving, because he owned much property and had many possessions [which he treasured more than his relationship with God]. Mark 10:23-25,22 It is not far fetched; the background to that saying is in vs 22, the rich man like others in his shoes, treasured riches more than a relationship with God hence he would not follow Jesus and Jesus revealed that this was the problem of many a rich man. Notice vs 24 highlighted. That is why Paul spoke of contentment because they that would be rich fall into temptations and a snare and into many foolish and hurtful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. This is illustrated by the difficulty with which a Camel passes through the eye of the needle (a small gate at the city entrance) it wont be possible except the Camel is stripped of all his load (wealth). |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 6:41pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:That place talks of the interment of the flesh. Just as both the rich man and Lazarus were interred but there destinations were different. |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 6:45pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:Just as Jesus told the thief on the Cross, ," this day thou shalt be with Me in paradise". However, after the resurrection of Christ, what we find is that such go to Heaven (Rev. 6). |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 6:48pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:Note that it did not say he will have Eternal Life; he has it already as a present experience and possession. Hence when it says the wicked will not see life, it simply means they dont have the Life of God in them as this Life is in the Son and He it is in Whom was, and is Life. |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 6:53pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Eccl. 9:10 does not say "where your flesh is being interred". It says "whither thou goest". Man is going to the grave! Also, does the Bible indicate any "change of destination" in death? Man and animal go to the same place at death.[email] Scholar8200: Eccl. 9:10 does not say "where your flesh is being interred". It says "whither thou goest". Man is going to the grave! Also, does the Bible indicate any "change of destination" in death? Man and animal go to the same place at death.[/email] Scholar8200: Eccl. 9:10 does not say "where your flesh is being interred". It says "whither thou goest". Man is going to the grave! Also, does the Bible indicate any "change of destination" in death? Man and animal go to the same place at death. 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 6:56pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
DoctorAlien: For those who do evil will be cut off, But those who wait for the Lord, they will inherit the land. 10 For yet a little while and the wicked one will be gone [forever]; Though you look carefully where he used to be, he will not be [found]. Psalm 37:,10 The highlighted speaks of an absence from the face of the Earth. Now see: The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. Psalm 9:17 We all know that all men die hence this passage is not referring to the Grave but to an exclusive preserve for the wicked - the PIT (bottomless Revelations 9:1,2) Here is Strong's concordance on the word hell there: Strong's Exhaustive Concordance grave, hell, pit Meaning the word Sheol has synonyms and the context tells us which applies. If Sheol=Grave only, then that passage will be wrong to claim that ONLY THE WICKED and THOSE THAT FORGET GOD will be turned therein! |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 6:56pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Eccl. 9:10 does not say "where your flesh is being interred". It says "whither thou goest". Man is going to the grave! Also, does the Bible indicate any "change of destination" in death? Man and animal go to the same place at death. Man and animal have one destination in death. See Eccl. 3:19-22. Now, are animals carried to Heaven too? |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 6:56pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:I have answered your question. |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 6:57pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:I see! So the fire will annihilate man but preserve worms alive!!! |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 7:00pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:Ezekiel 28 has a double application first to a human king of Tyrus hence we need to gain a better view from other passages to understand the end of the ultimate reference eg Revelation 20. |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 7:00pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Does that verse say the wicked will be alive burning forever? 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 7:02pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Please, who is Ezekiel 28:13-18 talking about if not Satan? Was the king of Tyrus in Eden? Or was he GOD's covering cherub? 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 7:05pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Please answer my question: According to Ezekiel 28:13-18, Satan will be burnt to ashes. How is it you claim he will be alive burning forever? Or can ashes be alive? 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by goodnews201668: 7:06pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: You still alluded to the fact that it's a parable, whichever way you look at it. It doesn't necessarily has to be a real event. It's symbolic, that's why it's a parable. There's no way a camel can pass through the needle's eye, so the parable illustrates how difficult it is for a rich man or wealthy to be conscious spiritually. Not a real event just like the other parables! |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 7:07pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:The fact that the Psalmist speaks of a place for the wicked and the enemies of God (not as a place of rest but a retribution for their rejection of God) perfectly agrees with the view given in the New Testament of a place of torment 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 7:09pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:Cross check this with Psalm 9:17, will the righteous and wicked head to the same place going by the tenor of Palm 9:17? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by goodnews201668: 7:09pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: You and worm again, where did you see worm? Worm is in Gehenna not in hell. |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 7:10pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Does the Psalmist say the wicked will be alive burning forever? 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by goodnews201668: 7:10pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: You and worm again, where did you see worm? Worm is in Gehenna not in hell. Stop mixing things up. So you can understand the Bible! |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Scholar8200(m): 7:10pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Jozzy4:Go take your Bible serious. The rich man asked for water to cool his tongue and even requested Lazarus deep his finger! Jesus said these, not me! 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 7:14pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: "The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget GOD" Psalm 9:17. Definitely, the wicked will be turned into hell. GOD will rain fire and brimstone upon them. But does this verse say "immediately after their death?" |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 7:15pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: So righteous people are carried to Abraham's bosom at death? |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 7:18pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Who is talking about worm? Worm is not mentioned in Psalm 37:9,10. The wicked will BE NO MORE! Where is this mysterious place you said they are going? |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 7:21pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200:What scene is Malachi 4:1,3 describing if not the judgment day? |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 7:26pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Will eternity for righteous people be such that the wicked (supposedly also alive forever) will be within earshot disturbing their communion with GOD with their constant cries and be them begging for water? The rich man begged to have somebody be sent to warn his brothers on earth. Who will the wicked beg to be sent and to whom are they going to be sent? 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by Jozzy4: 7:34pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Scholar8200: you are confuse man, the rich MAN not the rich ghost or rich immaterial soul . RIch MAN , MAN, MAN , MAN chai , religion na brainwashing o Jesus descriptions are human , clear . not the nonsense u are reading into it 2 Likes |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by DoctorAlien(m): 7:35pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Jozzy4: 1 Like |
Re: How Can Jesus Give Everlasting Life To Immortal Beings? by goodnews201668: 7:35pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
J Scholar8200: Those are parable not real event. According to John 3:13 Jesus says no man has ascended to heaven except him that came down from heaven. So neither Lazarus nor Abraham was in heaven when Jesus narrated the story. If jesus story were to be taken literal it means someone in hellfire can see someone in heaven. It also means someone in hellfire can as well talk to someone in heaven. |
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