PHAYOL81:
Yeah God made mention of the uncorrupted Bible but don't shy away in telling them it's not the series we have around today and that it (the real Bible) rather supported the old testament, not disregard it as no-more-valid cos the God never changes and the laws never change.. . never, forever
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Amberon11:
Why are you twisting the words of your supposed "God"?? that verse up there has nothing to do with the bible and whether it was corrupted or not. It simply says the followers of Christ will be made more superior.

mustymatic:

Can you tell us in what way modern christians follow jesus....by worshiping him? did he worship himself? or better did he ask you to?
that is a misconception even among Christians. some will tell you he is god, others will say he has a god, and some will tell you he is one of the three gods...And then...they are called christians

mustymatic:

Can you tell us in what way modern christians follow jesus....by worshiping him? did he worship himself? or better did he ask you to?
that is a misconception even among Christians. some will tell you he is god, others will say he has a god, and some will tell you he is one of the three gods...And then...they are called christians

truthmans2012:


Stop the trash my friend.

What did the Christians believe in the time of Muhammad as the quran makes us to know? Yet the quran says Christians are going to heaven with their belief. That is to say all the wrong accusations levelled against the Christians by muslims and the quran is a nullity.

Quran 2:62] Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.

Since the Jews and Christians are going to heaven with reward, why was Muhammad killing them? You should be able to see now that the quran is satanic manipulation.

Please note that what the Chrisrians in Muhammad's time believed that made them to qualify for heaven is what we believe now. The Bible says we are going to heaven, the quran says the same, meaning double assurance. But for muslims quran says they are going to hell (Qur'an 3:185, 19:68-71). Which do you prefer, heaven or hell?

Amberon11:
Do you know our God better than us. Jesus is God.

Read John 1: 1

truthmans2012:


Stop the trash my friend.

What did the Christians believe in the time of Muhammad as the quran makes us to know? Yet the quran says Christians are going to heaven with their belief. That is to say all the wrong accusations levelled against the Christians by muslims and the quran is a nullity.

Quran 2:62] Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.

Since the Jews and Christians are going to heaven with reward, why was Muhammad killing them? You should be able to see now that the quran is satanic manipulation.

Please note that what the Chrisrians in Muhammad's time believed that made them to qualify for heaven is what we believe now. The Bible says we are going to heaven, the quran says the same, meaning double assurance. But for muslims quran says they are going to hell (Qur'an 3:185, 19:68-71). Which do you prefer, heaven or hell?

mustymatic:

Unfortunately... Yes sir
Assuming the translation is correct (which its not, the capital G should be small g, it should read the word was a god, satan is also called god in the Bible yet they give him a small g, but for Jesus a capital!) then what we have here is Jesus who is the word is called God, wow I guess Jesus is God then right?! No.
You see, my first question to the Christian is this, is this Jesus speaking? The answer is no, this is NOT Jesus speaking! This is supposedly the disciple John writing this here not Jesus! So what we have is an interpretation of what one man thought! Why cant Christians get us Jesus saying in the beginning the word was with God and the word was God, why didn’t Jesus ever say this?! So Christians now want us to believe Jesus is God because of what a man said? A man’s interpretation! The Bible itself testifies that the disciples often miss-understood Jesus and didn’t understand him!
So John 1:1 does not prove anything, it is not Jesus speaking, and the Gospel of John itself shows Jesus is not God from the very words of Jesus himself!

mustymatic:

smh

The aim of the verse is merely to repudiate the illusion cherished by the Jews that, by virtue of their being Jews, they have a monopoly of salvation. They had long entertained the notion that a special and exclusive relationship existed between them and God. They thought, therefore, that all who belonged to their group were predestined to salvation regardless of their beliefs and actions,. whereas all non-Jews were predestined to serve as fodder for hell-fire.
To clarify this misgiving the Jews are told that what really matters in the sight of God is true faith and good deeds rather than formal affiliation with a certain religious community. Whoever has true faith and good deeds to his credit is bound to receive his reward, since God will judge people on the basis of merit rather than on the grounds that a man's name happens to be listed in the world as a member of one religious community or the other.

Amberon11:
I'm not in the habit of engaging in meaningless conversations. Jesus Christ is God. He was not created, he is the creator, not the creation and he took part in the creation process with God.

truthmans2012:

Trash as usual.
Meaningless.

mustymatic:

And you want your posts to be responded to next time... aiii

truthmans2012:


Not necessarily, only if you have something meaningful.

lordnicklaus:
What is quite funny about Muslims I debate with is that they tell me that Jesus spoke Arabic or that the Injeel (Gospel) was written in Arabic. They fail to realise that Jesus was a Jew and He spoke the Galilean Aramaic, so how can He write in Arabic?.

Amberon11:
Why are you twisting the words of your supposed "God"?? that verse up there has nothing to do with the bible and whether it was corrupted or not. It simply says the followers of Christ will be made more superior.

lordnicklaus:
My question to Muslims is if the Quran is infallible, why does it lack historical evidence?

mustymatic:

Dumb people do not know what meaningful is...if you can call the above trash without any reasonable defense.. then sorry, you are deaf dumb and blind

truthman2012:


Laughing !!!

You called yourself a Christian who loves the quran and now that your quran testifies to the Bible, which should make you happy as a Christian, you farted on it.

You are a liar. It is typical of every muslim to lie because their god told many lies in the quran. Like god like the faithfuls.

If you want to see many lies in the quran, I will give you on request.

truthman2012:


Lol !!! The usual lame excuse.

Can you tell me what existed in the time of Muhammad, because the Jews and Christian Scriptures that existed then were confirmed authentic ?

There were Christians in the time of Muhammad and there was no difference in what they believed then and what we believe now as the quran makes us to understand. As our Christian belief now is the same as it was in the days of Muhammad, it would make no sense that the Bible now is not the same as in the time of Muhammad. Now see what the quran says about the Christians in Muhammad's time:

And when there cometh unto them a Scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession (Quran 2:89).
First, this verse makes it clear that the Scripture in Jews' and Christians' possession at Muhammad's time is the TRUTH as the quran came to confirm and not to correct it. To confirm means to say it is true or authentic. [b]But why did Allah still say it is changed or corrupted?[/b]Second, if the quran came to confirm the earlier Scripture, why the differences? Allahh was manipulative here.

How come they come unto the (i.e Muhammad) for judgment when they have the Torah, wherein Allah hath delivered judgment (for them)? Yet even after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers (Quran 5:43).
Even at Muhammad's time till today the Torah was valid for judgment. Or when was it changed and by who?

Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that
which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-doers (Quran 5:47).
The Gospel was also valid for judgment at Muhammad's time and till date. Or when was it changed and by who?

Say: "O People of the Book! (i.e the Jews and the Christians) Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye standfast by the Law, the Gospel and all the revelations that has come to you from your Lord (Quran 5:71).
How could Allah say Jew and Christian should stand fast by the Law and Gospel if they have been corrupted?

Please note that if there are other verses of the quran that do not tally with the above, it is because the quran is full of contradictions.

najib632:
please i will like you to stop thinking that Allah is another diety apart from God. Allah is the arabic word for God, and the issue about the bible has not been changed is crap look around how many bibles exist today and every year the bible is modified. The bible can never be compared to the Qur'an. Look at the unintelligent way the bible said the world was created no scientist belives but all of the agree with Islamic version, the Quran talks about the formation of an embryo in a very authentic form no doctor can argue with it the Qur'an talked clearly about the expansion of the universe something that was discovered not so long ago. If the holy war never happened Europeans wont know what is science. Even algebra was formed from the Qur'an if you doubt any oof these things I have stated ask google. Allah guides whom he wills

ypeace:

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Historical evidence such as? The question is a little vague. Kindly make it clearer. You can illustrate with something or event that is infallible which also has historical evidence.

najib632:
please i will like you to stop thinking that Allah is another diety apart from God. Allah is the arabic word for God, and the issue about the bible has not been changed is crap look around how many bibles exist today and every year the bible is modified. The bible can never be compared to the Qur'an. Look at the unintelligent way the bible said the world was created no scientist belives but all of the agree with Islamic version, the Quran talks about the formation of an embryo in a very authentic form no doctor can argue with it the Qur'an talked clearly about the expansion of the universe something that was discovered not so long ago. If the holy war never happened Europeans wont know what is science. Even algebra was formed from the Qur'an if you doubt any oof these things I have stated ask google. Allah guides whom he wills

Amberon11:
Any such person is not a christian.

lordnicklaus:




The Algebra was formed by an Arab named Al Jabra and not from the Quran.

Your Quran did not describe embryo correctly. It said embryos are formed from congealed blood (Surah 22:5).

There are many laughable errors in your Quran. I will list them with their Suras.

1. The earth is flat (Surah 88:20)

2. Semen is formed between backbone and ribs (Surah 86:6-7)

3. The sun sets in a muddy pool (Surah 18:86)

4. There are seven earths (Surah 65:12)

5. The sun orbits the earth (Surah36:38-40).

I still have more but digest these ones now. I have lots of scientific accuracies in the bible. I will quote them if you want.

Amberon11:
Why are you twisting the words of your supposed "God"?? that verse up there has nothing but to do with the bible and whether it was corrupted or not. It simply says the followers of
Christ will be made more superior.

truthman2012:


Lol !!! The usual lame excuse.

Can you tell me what existed in the time of Muhammad, because the Jews and Christian Scriptures that existed then were confirmed authentic ?

There were Christians in the time of Muhammad and there was no difference in what they believed then and what we believe now as the quran makes us to understand. As our Christian belief now is the same as it was in the days of Muhammad, it would make no sense that the Bible now is not the same as in the time of Muhammad. Now see what the quran says about the Christians in Muhammad's time:

And when there cometh unto them a Scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession (Quran 2:89).
First, this verse makes it clear that the Scripture in Jews' and Christians' possession at Muhammad's time is the TRUTH as the quran came to confirm and not to correct it. To confirm means to say it is true or authentic. [b]But why did Allah still say it is changed or corrupted?[/b]Second, if the quran came to confirm the earlier Scripture, why the differences? Allahh was manipulative here.

How come they come unto the (i.e Muhammad) for judgment when they have the Torah, wherein Allah hath delivered judgment (for them)? Yet even after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers (Quran 5:43).
Even at Muhammad's time till today the Torah was valid for judgment. Or when was it changed and by who?

Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that
which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-doers (Quran 5:47).
The Gospel was also valid for judgment at Muhammad's time and till date. Or when was it changed and by who?

Say: "O People of the Book! (i.e the Jews and the Christians) Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye standfast by the Law, the Gospel and all the revelations that has come to you from your Lord (Quran 5:71).
How could Allah say Jew and Christian should stand fast by the Law and Gospel if they have been corrupted?

Please note that if there are other verses of the quran that do not tally with the above, it is because the quran is full of contradictions.

PHAYOL81:


There's something they say about change and time or need I stress on that? Yes there was a bible at Muhammad's time bt could you possibly tell me which of the series present today is actually the right version? Can you possibly point to one today with the original chapters, verses and textual arrangement? If so many changes could come up these length of time, what could possibly stop me from believing the right version is kept in one unreachable chamber somewhere to cover-up some secret ... and still, with the series of translation from the original Latin, I bet its corrupted.

truthmans2012:


I wonder what you guys say about Bible versions. It is only the English Bible that have versions and that is because there is new and old English and there is British and American English. You cannot find versions in Bible with local languages like Yoruba, Igbo or Hausa. Even the English versions are saying the same thing in different expressions. The intention is not to change the original messages.

Even the quran has serious differences in translations that change the original meaning. I know you will say the Arabic remains the same but what is the intention trying to confuse non-Arab readers?

Exactly me point about "translation" because there's bound to be difference in meaning and with a context going through different translations at different period of time by different set of people, then you can be sure what might have happened to it since language makes us understand no two words are actually really the same but that one "might" just be able to stand in place of another another. Think about it.

Read: www.nairaland.com/2933766/bible-versions-better-than-quranic

PHAYOL81:


I wsnt referring to that verse my dear bt the Quran in general. Lots of verses in the Quran made mention of Bible as a holly book and that it deserves utmost respect like the rest of other revelations but yes, I maintain that that doesn't include the corrupted ones around today.

mustymatic:

Unfortunately... Yes sir
Assuming the translation is correct (which its not, the capital G should be small g, it should read the word was a god, satan is also called god in the Bible yet they give him a small g, but for Jesus a capital!) then what we have here is Jesus who is the word is called God, wow I guess Jesus is God then right?! No.
You see, my first question to the Christian is this, is this Jesus speaking? The answer is no, this is NOT Jesus speaking! This is supposedly the disciple John writing this here not Jesus! So what we have is an interpretation of what one man thought! Why cant Christians get us Jesus saying in the beginning the word was with God and the word was God, why didn’t Jesus ever say this?! So Christians now want us to believe Jesus is God because of what a man said? A man’s interpretation! The Bible itself testifies that the disciples often miss-understood Jesus and didn’t understand him!
So John 1:1 does not prove anything, it is not Jesus speaking, and the Gospel of John itself shows Jesus is not God from the very words of Jesus himself!