crackhaus:

I'm a genius baby.

You a [b]simpleton[/b]who doesn't want to open her mind to endless possibilities as to why on earth this woman would claim she didn't know the couple was gay.

Alright.

freecocoa:
Alright.

It was a joke na, wetin dey work you sef.

freecocoa:
You do understand why bigamy is criminalised where it is, right?

And you understand why homosexuality is criminalized where we are right?

You don't see us going abroad and trying to get the West to institutionalize bigamy.

Just curious, why is bigamy criminalized in the West?

crackhaus:

It was a joke na, wetin dey work you sef.

How do I say this without coming off as stuck up? The thing is, I don't find such jokes tasteful, you know? Especially since you and I are presumed to be cool.

Plus, how am I supposed to think such joke is without undertone? Even you don't believe that.

JoeBlocks:
And you understand why homosexuality is criminalized where we are right?

You don't see us going abroad and trying to get the West to institutionalize bigamy.

Just curious, why is bigamy criminalized in the West?

No, I don't understand why it is criminalised in Nigeria(and the other places it is), I dare say, there is no justifiable reason why it should be.

No you don't, because you have no reason to.

The laws of a civil society(as regards marriage)are structured to assume that marriage is a union between two people, anything other than this, creates a situation the law can not handle.

Thanks pal for taking the time to explain. I respect people for whatever choices or decisions they make or take. We can't all be the same anyway.
My course mate is gay/lesbian. Her stories are that of survival. After being brutally raped by her friend's husband when she was 17yrs old.
The lady that does my nails is married to a woman and expecting their second baby. They are nice people and as long as they go about their business, what concerns me?
Can't recall the friend you are talking about but everyone is doing well so are you.
Best regards Postmann.

postmann:



Homosexuality is evil. It is anti-procreation. It is unhealthy. Statistics show homosexuals are more prone to domestic violence and child abuse (do your own research). Homosexuals
have lesser life-span than the average straight person.

The simple thought that a same sex man may find me sexually attractive and might want to get down with me any chance he gets, or that I might be in a flight having such a fellow as my seat mate for hours is sheer horror.
What happens in the military when soldiers see themselves as John and Jane even in the heat of battle? What happens when you share a ship cabin with a Demented homo in the middle of the ocean or in a jail cell? Everyday male thing like stripping to boxers or sharing the public shower becomes a risk. The anus was never created for constant sexual pummelling. And that's why they'll always need artificial lubricant and still have an erupted rectum. Imagine men walking about with loosed anus and rectum. Or hitting the shit passage whenever they're having sex. It's sickening !


Now, there's a difference making love with the knowledge that it'll lead to childbirth than going to "buy" one. A child raise by both men or both women will grow up with serious mental and emotional imbalances (do your research).

I'm watching a football match. Just have to rush a reply. I remember you by the way. How's your friend?

freecocoa:
No, I don't understand why it is criminalised in Nigeria(and the other places it is), I dare say, there is no justifiable reason why it should be.

Good. It is criminalize in Nigeria because
The nigerian society is as much as it is traditional it is also religious, and we derive our laws from this two sources which speak vehemently against homosexuality.

]No you don't, because you have no reason to.

Be that as it may, I'll still say the West have no reason to shove homosexuality down our throats, if the way we (as nigerians) treat homosexuals is frowned upon by them, then may be they should take a look at how we treat pick pockets and other criminals. Then you'll ask yourself, how come they're not criticizing us about the way we treat criminals, but criticize us about the way we treat homosexuals?.

The laws of a civil society(as regards marriage)are structured to assume that marriage is a union between two people, anything other than this, creates a situation the law can not handle.

The law in nigeria speak vehemently against homosexuality, civil society, traditionalist, religious folks and others frown at it.

The law in Nigeria is not the law in the West. They should know this and stop meddling in affairs that concerns them not.

freecocoa:
How do I say this without coming off as stuck up? The thing is, I don't find such jokes tasteful, you know? Especially since you and I are presumed to be cool.

Plus, how am I supposed to think such joke is without undertone? Even you don't believe that.

Hmmmm, presumed huh.
I'm tempted to ask, by whom?

That aside though, it really had no undertone...was just being my usual annoying self. We cool

armyofone:
Thanks pal for taking the time to explain. I respect people for whatever choices or decisions they make or take. We can't all be the same anyway.
My course mate is gay/lesbian. Her stories are that of survival. After being brutally raped by her friend's husband when she was 17yrs old.
The lady that does my nails is married to a woman and expecting their second baby. They are nice people and as long as they go about their business, what concerns me?
Can't recall the friend you are talking about but everyone is doing well so are you.
Best regards Postmann.

I'm truly sorry for the rape victim. But a serious disorder like homosexuality with all its social and health implications is everybody's business.

If the Western society can deprive people of their bilogical children for reasons that are less serious like homosexuality, I don't see why the same government should turn a blind eye at the ills that homosexuality presents to the society at large.

Kamwuliextra was your friend I asked after.

lepasharon:
It's funny how when gay couples are brought up every Christian that smokes, drinks and fornicates is suddenly concerned with what their bible allows.

Welcome to Naija,

Enough hypocrites everywhere.

JoeBlocks:
Good. It is criminalize in Nigeria because
The nigerian society is as much as it is traditional it is also religious, and we derive our laws from this two sources which speak vehemently against homosexuality.

Be that as it may, I'll still say the West have no reason to shove homosexuality down our throats, if the way we (as nigerians) treat homosexuals is frowned upon by them, then may be they should take a look at how we treat pick pockets and other criminals. Then you'll ask yourself, how come they're not criticizing us about the way we treat criminals, but criticize us about the way we treat homosexuals?.

The law in nigeria speak vehemently against homosexuality, civil society, traditionalist, religious folks and others frown at it.

The law in Nigeria is not the law in the West. They should know this and stop meddling in affairs that concerns them not.

The Nigerian constitution says that, the government of the federation or of a state, shall not adopt any religion as state religion.

By virtue of the above, the constitution should not be based on religion nor should it on culture, since we all have different cultures and culture evolves, but it's not news that our government falls into religious traps.

Please don't make unimformed statements, how do you compare hömosexuality to pick pockets and criminals? I just told you that the law on hömosexuality is flawed.

Not everyone in nigeria gives a hoot about your traditions or religion, your religion doesn't have to be mine, just as your culture doesn't, so why should the law that governs you and I, be based on some religion? Which religion exactly? Since we can't adopt a particular one and we are free to practice any?

crackhaus:

Hmmmm, presumed huh.
I'm tempted to ask, by whom?

That aside though, it really had no undertone...was just being my usual annoying self. We cool

it doesn't matter.

Ok then, so I guess you can understand if I don't want to entertain your "annoying" self.

freecocoa:
The Nigerian constitution says that, the government of the federation or of a state, shall not adopt any religion as state religion.

Both the government of the federation and the state made it emphatically clear that homosexuality is outlawed.

You should know I said derive our constitution from traditional and religious laws, I never said states adopt any religion. Mind you, I'll have you know Sharia law, is enshrined in the constitution of Nigeria.

By virtue of the above, the constitution should not be based on religion nor should it on culture, since we all have different cultures and culture evolves, but it's not news that our government falls into religious traps.

By virtue of what I said, the constitution should be derived from sources that bothers on equality and social justice, and religion and traditional sources advocates that.

We all have different cultures, yes! That's true, that's why we all have to leave some of our practices and come together and leave as one. I believe its called Social Contract.

If culture evolves, the culture of another man sleeping with another man should not be shoved down peoples throat.

Please don't make unimformed statements, how do you compare hömosexuality to pick pockets and criminals? I just told you that the law on hömosexuality is flawed.

You miss my point. The law on homosexuality is not flawed because it stem from what I've been trying to tell you. So its criminal here in Nigeria. Anything strange is vigorously frowned upon.

Homosexuals are seen as criminals here, same way pick pockets and paedopiles are.

Not everyone in nigeria gives a hoot about your traditions or religion, your religion doesn't have to be mine, just as your culture doesn't, so why should the law that governs you and I, be based on some religion? Which religion exactly? Since we can't adopt a particular one and we are free to practice any?

Yes that's true, that's why the concept of Social Contract come into play. I'm sure you heard how Nigerians reacted when Senator Yerima moved the motion enabling people to marry 13 year old girls.

The major religions in Nigeria are Christianity and Islam, almost all Nigerians are christians or moslems, even I was born a christian.

So, I need you to know that the ways of the West, is not the ways of an African, particularly, a nigerian. We have our laws, you have yours. The West shouldn't make it their business to try to get us to accept everything they do, because they can.

JoeBlocks:
Both the government of the federation and the state made it emphatically clear that homosexuality is outlawed.

You should know I said derive our constitution from traditional and religious laws, I never said states adopt any religion. Mind you, I'll have you know Sharia law, is enshrined in the constitution of Nigeria.

By virtue of what I said, the constitution should be derived from sources that bothers on equality and social justice, and religion and traditional sources advocates that.

We all have different cultures, yes! That's true, that's why we all have to leave some of our practices and come together and leave as one. I believe its called Social Contract.

If culture evolves, the culture of another man sleeping with another man should not be shoved down peoples throat.

You miss my point. The law on homosexuality is not flawed because it stem from what I've been trying to tell you. So its criminal here in Nigeria. Anything strange is vigorously frowned upon.

Homosexuals are seen as criminals here, same way pick pockets and paedopiles are.

Yes that's true, that's why the concept of Social Contract come into play. I'm sure you heard how Nigerians reacted when Senator Yerima moved the motion enabling people to marry 13 year old girls.

The major religions in Nigeria are Christianity and Islam, almost all Nigerians are christians or moslems, even I was born a christian.

So, I need you to know that the ways of the West, is not the ways of an African, particularly, a nigerian. We have our laws, you have yours. The West shouldn't make it their business to try to get us to accept everything they do, because they can.

Yea, I do know that and I'm telling you that, deriving our laws from religion and tradition is flawed because contrary to what you believe about both advocating for social justice, the laws of religion and tradition doesn't advocate for equality, which is what social justice is about.

Yea, social contrast comes to mind, but have the individuals being governed surrendered their freedom on the issue, or are they being subjected to give into some beliefs based on some religion and culture, that we don't care for?(thereby trampling on people's fundamental human rights) Whatever happened to your right as a human to choose whom to love?

No one is shoving anything down your throats, you are only being told to live and let live, there is absolutely no justifiable reason to criminalise hömosexuality.

The law is flawed because it stems from religion and culture, which is anything but, just/fair.

That you think it strange doesn't make it criminal.

Remember I said, you can't really argue in favour of social contrast because not everyone is on board with the law and as for the case of Yerima, there was a victim involved (a minor), so why compare apples and oranges?

Almost is not all, there is Muslim, then there's christians, what about the others? Let's not even point out the inequality and wickedness religion/culture promotes.

freecocoa:
The Nigerian constitution says that, the government of the federation or of a state, shall not adopt any religion as state religion.

By virtue of the above, the constitution should not be based on religion nor should it on culture, since we all have different cultures and culture evolves, but it's not news that our government falls into religious traps.

Please don't make unimformed statements, how do you compare hömosexuality to pick pockets and criminals? I just told you that the law on hömosexuality is flawed.

Not everyone in nigeria gives a hoot about your traditions or religion, your religion doesn't have to be mine, just as your culture doesn't, so why should the law that governs you and I, be based on some religion? Which religion exactly? Since we can't adopt a particular one and we are free to practice any?

Can you tell me any country whose laws has no religious or cultural shade in its constitution?

freecocoa:
Yea, I do know that and I'm telling you that, deriving our laws from religion and tradition is flawed because contrary to what you believe about both advocating for social justice, the laws of religion and tradition doesn't advocate for equality, which is what social justice is about.

Even at that, still, what is, is what is. That's why we are who we are, we're Africans!.

Yea, social contrast comes to mind, but have the individuals being governed surrendered their freedom on the issue, or are being subjected to give into some beliefs based on some religion and culture? That we don't care for? Whatever happened to your right as a human to choose whom to love?

I tell you, should a referendum be conducted about the issue of homosexuality, it will be dead on arrival. I gave you this reason before.

The emboldened usually give way to abuse. Your right to love an individual might involve loving a child.

No one is shoving anything down your throats, you are only being told to live and let live, there is absolutely no justifiable reason to criminalise hömosexuality.

Same way there is absolutely no justifiable reason to criminalize polygamy in the West.

Remember I said, you can't really argue in favour of social contrast because not everyone is on board with the law and as for the case of Yerima, there was a victim involved (a minor), so why compare apples and oranges?

Apples and oranges are fruits aren't they?

Almost is all, there is Muslim, then there's christians, what about the others? Let's not even point out the inequality and wickedness religion promotes.

That's why there is the law, which enforces fundamental human rights. I'm sure you know churches are being closed same as mosques. Have you heard about the bill El-Rufai plan on implementing? Ostracizing public preaching and noise making.

My dear, what is obtainable in U.S.A is not obtainable in Nigeria. The West have their ways of doing things, we have ours. Its that simple. If homosexuals here don't like it, they can move abroad. Simple.

postmann:


Can you tell me any country whose laws has no religious or cultural shade in its constitution?

A very viable question you just asked. Even the West, once upon a time reveled in religious laws and doctrines.

JoeBlocks:
A very viable question you just asked. Even the West, once upon a time reveled in religious laws and doctrines.

I knew it would be a huge bone for her to get her teeth around.

So many questions to put before her but it was pointless. You were takin care of business at her end.

postmann:


I knew it would be a huge bone for her to get her teeth around.

So many questions to put before her but it was pointless. You were takin care of business at her end.

LOL. I even asked her why polygamy is criminalized, she said the law in the West made marriage a union between one man, and one woman, if that is so, how come men and men are getting married? That's according to civil society, according to her.

JoeBlocks:
LOL. I even asked her why polygamy is criminalized, she said the law in the West made marriage a union between one man, and one woman, if that is so, how come men and men are getting married? That's according to civil society, according to her.

You know when you like the chorus of a melodious song, but you don't really know the body of the song, but you sing it anyway cos you like it. And when it gets to the body part of the song, you just hum your way through. That's her case with this homo madness. She hasn't understood completely what she's advocating for.

JoeBlocks:
Even at that, still, what is, is what is. That's why we are who we are, we're Africans!.

I tell you, should a referendum be conducted about the issue of homosexuality, it will be dead on arrival. I gave you this reason before.

The emboldened usually give way to abuse. Your right to love an individual might involve loving a child.

Same way there is absolutely no justifiable reason to criminalize polygamy in the West.



Apples and oranges are fruits aren't they?

That's why there is the law, which enforces fundamental human rights. I'm sure you know churches are being closed same as mosques. Have you heard about the bill El-Rufai plan on implementing? Ostracizing public preaching and noise making.

My dear, what is obtainable in U.S.A is not obtainable in Nigeria. The West have their ways of doing things, we have ours. Its that simple. If homosexuals here don't like it, they can move abroad. Simple.

No, it is not what it is, before you are Africans, you are humans first, so your 'africanness' or whatever, shouldn't not infringe on people's rights.

On the issue of referendum, I won't argue with you on that because like we know, religion/culture influences us as a people more than it should.

Really? Your right to choose whom to love, can be interpreted to mean you are free to sexually abuse a minor? Really?

There is every reason to criminalise polygamy because such marriages occur mostly when the woman is young and it might be reasonably determined that exploitation and coercion are involved in polygamy, more often than free choice(btw, it is mostly men who marry more than one partner, so the system isn't balanced).

Apples and oranges here, imply context.

When did we start hearing of the bill? The one that people are calling El-rufai's head for? A so called pastor even declared him a corpse, Enforce fundamental human rights indeed, in nigeria? Oh! Please.

This is not a matter of the west having their own ways, this is about being human, it has nothing to do with anybody's culture or religion, how hard is that to get?

It was once our culture to kill Twins, why did we let go of that?

JoeBlocks:
LOL. I even asked her why polygamy is criminalized, she said the law in the West made marriage a union between one man, and one woman, if that is so, how come men and men are getting married? That's according to civil society, according to her.

Dude try and read to comprehend, if you don't understand, you ask questions.

Never did I say marriage was between a man and woman in the West, quote me right please. I said TWO PEOPLE.

Careful, so you don't make a f00l of yourself trying to deride me.

postmann:


I knew it would be a huge bone for her to get her teeth around.

So many questions to put before her but it was pointless. You were takin care of business at her end.

If you are sure you know what you are talking about, correlate the question you asked me, with what's being discussed here, let's see who doesn't know the song they are singing.

You dodged my question. You are a cheap talker mister.

freecocoa:
No, it is not what it is, before you are Africans, you are humans first, so your 'africanness' or whatever, shouldn't not infringe on people's rights.

Lemme understand your premise, what do you mean by 'peoples rights?'

On the issue of referendum, I won't argue with you on that because like we know, religion/culture influences us as a people more than it should.

If truly you know this, why beat on a dead horse?

Really? Your right to lo choose whom to love, can be interpreted to mean you are free to sexually abuse a minor? Really?

Yep. Why not? That's why I asked you above to explain to me what you meant by 'peoples right'. So I can draw from your premise.

There is every reason to criminalise polygamy because such marriages occur mostly when the woman is young and it might be reasonably determined that exploitation and coercion are involved in polygamy, more often than free choice(btw, it is mostly men who marry more than one partner, so the system isn't balanced).

So what if the woman isn't young? And what if the woman doesn't feel exploited and coerced in anyway?

Ah yes! The emboldened brings feminism to my mind. So, what stops a woman from marrying more than one man? Its a free world isn't it? Or isn't that the american saying? Oh yes, bigamy comes to mind.

Apples and oranges here, imply context.

When did we start hearing of the bill? The one that people are calling El-rufai's head for? A so called pastor even declared him a corpse, Enforce fundamental human rights indeed, in nigeria? Oh! Please.

Be that as it may, the bill will be passed and there's absolutely nothing the pastor or his foolish flock can do about it.

Oh don't be so smug, there isn't fundamental human right even in the West, I've seen videos of how some people are beaten just because their skin is different.

This is not a matter of the west having their own ways, this is about being human, it has nothing to do with anybody's culture or religion, how hard is that to get?

Of course it is, that's why we humans can't get whatever we want. Social contract comes to mind again.

It was once our culture to kill Twins, why did we let go of that?

Yes because we learned there's a perfectly good reason why twins are born, it was scientifically proven and explained. We didn't understand this, that's why we killed twins.

freecocoa:
If you are sure you know what you are talking about, correlate the question you asked me, with what's being discussed her, let's see who doesn't know the song they are singing.

You dodged my question. You are a cheap talker mister.

Did you put a question before me, darling?

freecocoa:
Dude try and read to comprehend, if you don't understand, you ask questions.

Never did I say marriage was between a man and woman in the West, quote me right please. I said TWO PEOPLE.

Careful, so you don't make a f00l of yourself trying to deride me.

Oh sorry for that, an honest mistake. So if the law makes marriage a union between two people in the west. The law here makes homosexuality illegal. That's just the way it is. Same way the law here makes it legal for a man to marry more than one wife.

Our laws are our laws, your laws are your laws, plain and simple. You don't see us complaining about your laws, so why should you complain about ours?

JoeBlocks:
Lemme understand your premise, what do you mean by 'peoples rights?'

If truly you know this, why beat on a dead horse?

Yep. Why not? That's why I asked you above to explain to me what you meant by 'peoples right'. So I can draw from your premise.

So what if the woman isn't young? And what if the woman doesn't feel exploited and coerced in anyway?

Ah yes! The emboldened brings feminism to my mind. So, what stops a woman from marrying more than one man? Its a free world isn't it? Or isn't that the american saying? Oh yes, bigamy comes to mind.




Be that as it may, the bill will be passed and there's absolutely nothing the pastor or his foolish flock can do about it.

Oh don't be so smug, there isn't fundamental human right even in the West, I've seen videos of how some people are beaten just because their skin is different.

Of course it is, that's why we humans can't get whatever we want. Social contract comes to mind again.

Yes because we learned there's a perfectly good reason why twins are born, it was scientifically proven and explained. We didn't understand this, that's why we killed twins.

People's rights like right to freedom of association.

It's not so much a dead horse as we all know that with time, comes change.

I explained 'people's right' in this context, above. Having a right to choose whom to associate with, cannot be compared with abusing a minor.

How can you tell beyond reasonable doubt that her decision, doesn't stem from morality or religion? there are policy reasons, which go beyond simple moral reasons, my dear.

Morality comes to mind again, who says because a woman is feminist, means she wants more than one husband?

And it is legal to beat people up because their skin is different? Am I missing something here?

No, social contrast doesn't apply here, because, a person's right to freedom of association, is being trampled on, social contrast applies in bigamy, not in issues of hömosexuality.

And now, we know that, people can be born gay or choose to be gay, the fact that you may not understand or have have not understood it, doesn't/shoudn't make it criminal.

JoeBlocks:
Oh sorry for that, an honest mistake. So if the law makes marriage a union between two people in the west. The law here makes homosexuality illegal. That's just the way it is. Same way the law here makes it legal for a man to marry more than one wife.

Our laws are our laws, your laws are your laws, plain and simple. You don't see us complaining about your laws, so why should you complain about ours?

My argument is not whether the law in Nigeria criminalises hömosexuality or not, it is that the law is flawed.

When your laws trample on people's rights, then it should be complained about.

Haven't you seen pictures of new babies in the toilet, gutter, trash etc here on NL?
Wouldn't it be nice for a gay to adopt them?
You know, there are worst things going on in our society that we should be worried about than the personal lives of two consenting adults.
I miss her post too. I'm sure she is fine but busy.

postmann:


I'm truly sorry for the rape victim. But a serious disorder like homosexuality with all its social and health implications is everybody's business.

If the Western society can deprive people of their bilogical children for reasons that are less serious like homosexuality, I don't see why the same government should turn a blind eye at the ills that homosexuality presents to the society at large.

Kamwuliextra was your friend I asked after.

freecocoa:
My argument is not whether the law in Nigeria criminalises hömosexuality or not, it is that the law is flawed.

When your laws trample on people's rights, then it should be complained about.

Then how is it flawed? Because it trample on peoples right, right? Don't the law in some states in the West trample on peoples right by preventing them from smoking weed?

freecocoa:
People's rights like right to freedom of association.

It's not so much a dead horse as we all know that with time, comes change.

I explained 'people's right' in this context, above. Having a right to choose whom to associate with, cannot be compared with abusing a minor.

Yes with time comes change, but that change can be accepted or rejected.

Freedom of association to me also translate to having the right to associate with minors, even abusing a minor, after all, that's what the context of 'freedom' really mean. The right to do whatever you want. That's why we have punitive measures to prevent the over use of ones right.

How can you tell beyond reasonable doubt that her decision, doesn't stem from morality or religion? there are policy reasons, which go beyond simple moral reasons, my dear.

Morality comes to mind again, who says because a woman is feminist, means she wants more than one husband?

Well that's for her to know, since I can't read minds, but however, her decision, is her decision, and who says because a woman is feminist, doesn't mean she want more than one husband, its her choice, its her right to choose whether to marry more than two men, but what's stopping her? The law.

And it is legal to beat people up because their skin is different? Am I missing something here?

You tell me, I believe you watched the videos and saw the news...

No, social contrast doesn't apply here, because, a person's right to freedom of association, is being trampled on, social contrast applies in bigamy, not in issues of hömosexuality.

What are you harping about? Social contract applies in bigamy and doesn't apply to homosexuality? How skewed does that sound? What makes it okay for a man to marry a man, and what makes it not okay for a man to marry more than one woman?

Its also a person's right to associate with more than two women, just like its a man's right to associate
with another man. You're sounding very very bias I must tell you!.

And now, we know that, people can be born gay or choose to be gay, the fact that you may not understand or have have not understood it, doesn't/shoudn't make it criminal.

JAye! Just like people can be born polygamist or choose to be polygamist, the fact that you may not understand or have have not understood it, doesn't/shoudn't make it criminal.

JoeBlocks:
Then how is it flawed? Because it trample on peoples right, right? Don't the law in some states in the West trample on peoples right by preventing them from smoking weed?

Na wa o, I'm supposed to compare using of drugs to hömosexuality now? Wow! Just wow!

You do know what is meant by fundamental human rights, yea?