ollah1:

What state was Bayern? Did Van Gaal played a final with Mou's inter. Weren't you competing on a fronts prior to Jupp? So why are you making it look like he revolutionalised Bayern?

We were 3rd and finished without a trophy. Didn't get past the 2nd round of the CL either so what megedefegede competing are you on about?

ollah1:

He started the team he felt would deal with Atletico. A coaches do this. Should they cos of that be crucified? You started hating on this dude cos of Gotze, no.matyer how beautiful a player is. Some coaches won't still dig you. Mata was Chelsea's best player for 2 consecutive years but Mou sold him. Should Mou be crucified for that?

It was a rubbish lineup. Everybody knew we were getting nothing out of that match the minute it came out. Go and check the polls on any Bayern forum

I have told you my beef with Pep started with the Madrid debacle. Abi do you know me more than I know myself?

ollah1:

You sentences are laughable sha. Mou went trophyless in his first season while Pep won trophies. I guess u forgot the final they both played. How come Mou didn't win trophies like Pep?

If Mou were Bayern coach he would win what Guardiola won so allow me to hear word.

ollah1:

Pep played a role in the Spanish team winning euros and WC. He also played a role in the German side.

What role did he play in the German side? Playing Lahm in midfield? Those abominable high lines? You mean his tactics taught Goetze how to control that cross from Schurrle and volley home?

Very soon you will tell us Pep discovered electricity

The same players that got embarrassed against Madrid due to Pep's rubbish tactics went on to conquer the world for Germany less than 3 months later and you want to give Pep credit. You people should fear God nauuuu

ollah1:

I asked you a question buh you didn't answer. Name me one coach that won more trophies than Pep within the period he got hired.

Laurent Blanc. Next question

You still have not told me what we should judge Pep by if not performances in Europe

ollah1:

Give the guy the respect he deserves.

When he beats a Spanish team like his predecessor did I will give him respect

bjhaid:
the bottom line is if pep doesn't win this ucl..then he has greatly under-achieved with this team Goodnight

Hyperbole.

Which year would have been good enough? So Bayern are so much better than Real Madrid and Barcelona that Pep should have won it 2014 and 2015? I don't understand.

A40, your recent posts are beautiful. I'm glad you are seeing things differently as you are putting Bayern first which is very important. Regardless the tie is not over and Bayern can still go through.

I no watch the game but I just have one question why was alaba ahead of benatia for defense.

@A40

ollah1:



Nothing jare. Just dey wonder why na Pep dey always suffer criticism cos Bayern lost. We should have killed Enrique too na. Where were they when Atletico was shutting MSN? Where were they when they shut down BBC? They shut down ordinary CCL abi na LCC or CLC dem dey shout pep.

Atletico is designed to shut down the most potent attack. Hibernate no dey exist for thier OS.

I agree...

Sleep tight...

Eruditor:
Once you have made up your mind to hang your dog, any thread will be good enough.

Conman played "nsi" today. But Bro A40 wanted Conman to start. You didn't criticise Pep for that one. Asking for Mueller to start is just analytics. Yes he is the top scorer. Yes he scored 4 goals in the KO stages. But nothing suggested this would have been his game.

chrisley024:
Removing Coman for Ribery was wrong

This was posted by a neutral. Funny enough Coman was arguably our best player at the time he was removed. He played much better than Douglas

Easy for you to talk about analytics because you are a Pep fan not a Bayern fan. I will like to see you display this restraint when you get to another CL semi and Munir is started ahead of a fully fit Luis Suarez

When someone gets into his car to go to work nothing suggests they will come back alive, but they go anyway. Right?

Eruditor:

I saw Lewa frustrated out of his skin. I saw over a thousand bad crosses from the wingers including Costa. Even at that Bayern held their own and may have been fortuitous to pull a draw. Takes nothing away from Pep. Football is over 2 legs. After all, Lucho played MSN and still flopped. Winning the UCL back to back is not beans.

This is the 3rd straight CL semi we have failed to score away from home. You can blame that on ill luck and coincidence but A-40 is a Method Man and I don't hang my hat on that.

It takes a lot from Pep and it means that faced with the same test he has failed yet again to score a single goal against opposition that have proven good enough to score on away ground. For the 3rd year in a row!!

Eruditor:

If Pep beat Real Madrid that would have been back to back titles for Bayern which is unprecedented. The following year no team was going to beat Barcelona no matter who you are- Bayern inclusive. Not saying he hasn't made some mistakes but it is not to the tune that it is being exaggerated on here. Today, Bayern made a fair representation of themselves and have it all to play for at the Allianz.

How about not lose scandalously in front of your fans? Did you know we had never lost at home to Madrid prior to that match? Even in the latter days of Kahn, Brazzo, Lizarazu the days of Makaay, Ze Roberto when we were struggling in Europe

Whether we could have beaten Barca is moot. There's a reason the games are played. Abi what changed from last year that saw you guys get knocked out? If Atleti did not believe they could beat Barca they wouldn't have. They had every reason to just quit when the draws were made

Eruditor:

See Lucho now, almost looking like he may not do back to back La Liga titles, but Pep did 3 peat with Barca and he is on course to doing same with Bayern. If any Carlo, Mou or Wenger could do it, Bayern won't have tried to offer Pep a new €18M per year contract.

Mou and Carlo will do 3 peat with this Bayern squad no point arguing with anyone who feels otherwise

Lucho cannot do back to back with Simeone's Atleti on his neck so easily. The competition is stiffer

Eruditor:

All hope is not lost second leg. Allianz has been a centre for correcting past mistakes this season. Atleast Dortmund, Wolf, Arsenal are some of the teams that ate 5. These are teams that recently had good runs at the same venue. Sabali.

Have you seen Atleti's record? Only Celta Vigo have scored more than 2 goals against them all season.

We are still in it but nothing suggests Pep has learned from his past phuckups. And his stay at Bayern would be a disappointment without a CL win or Final

GBR1:
A40, your recent posts are beautiful. I'm glad you are seeing things differently as you are putting Bayern first which is very important. Regardless the tie is not over and Bayern can still go through

.

Of course Bayern uber alles. I can't see my team losing the same way maybe 3 years straight and not say something

If Pep wins he's genius if he loses its not his fault

SIRcumalot:
I no watch the game but I just have one question why was alaba ahead of benatia for defense.
@A40

If I told you I know I will be lying. Somehow Bernat and Thiago must always start these big matches even when they are a liability to the team

enough of this, shebi the new Messiah ( Carlo anc) is taking over....let see what he would do

so, no carnival on this thread?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv7ZfeTJerw

raumdeuter:
Lets not forget that Carlo has a poor record vs this Atletico too

I hope your team gets to play Atleti again next year and the next too, the KO stage will be better so that you can be out early.
Amen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FIGjTF7yKw

raumdeuter:


How is the top 4 struggle coming on

If you have any ironu, you should sit down and think of where you were when Arsenal last won a league.

I was in University the last time Arsenal last won the league.

I have a cousin 10yrs old at that time, he is now in NYSC about to start working, edoyad went from full afrom to bald headed in that same time

Twitter, facebook, Nairaland etc were founded but still no league title, when would you sit down and call your sense to a family meeting to discuss how useless you and your team are?

I expect Bayern to forfeit the return leg, what is the use ? Athleico will just sit back and be countering any time Bayern try to come forward. I'm seeing aggregate score of 7-0 by the end of this thing biko. Ramu, better carry basket to go and watch that match o, enough goals to take back home.
Athletico could easily have won by 3-0 yesterday, but you know how they like to save the best for last na.

A40,

I watched that same game. Coman didn't play well all game. Pep had already given signals that he wanted him off before we saw him make those 2 runs (that did not lead to a final ball, goal or an assist). Coman couldn't beat Felipe Luis all game and his crossing was atrocious! Infact the moments you are referring to as him playing well should go to Lahm (who in my opinion was one of the best players on the pitch-if not the best). Lahm made the decisions for Coman, and coman who reminds me of chamberlain, effed it up with his 1D dribbling and without end product.

As for Mou and Carlo, it is quite funny. Carlo could not get past the Quarter finals UCL since 2008 until 2014 and he didn't win a league title in Spain. Mou went trophyless 2014, did well 2015 and almost got his team relegated in 2016. If you feel these are the coaches to win the same amount of trophies with Pep in Bayern, then there's no point debating it.

Eruditor:
A40,
I watched that same game. Coman didn't play well all game. Pep had already given signals that he wanted him off before we saw him make those 2 runs (that did not lead to a final ball, goal or an assist). Coman couldn't beat Felipe Luis all game and his crossing was atrocious! Infact the moments you are referring to as him playing well should go to Lahm (who in my opinion was one of the best players on the pitch-if not the best). Lahm made the decisions for Coman, and coman who reminds me of chamberlain, effed it up with his 1D dribbling and without end product.

Coman is nothing like Chamberlain so I don't get the comparison. Chamberlain never led the CL assists chart in his career like Coman is doing at Bayern in just his first season. Back to the game Coman was playing much better than Costa and was taking on Atleti players in our best spell of the game. You mean Pep that needed 70mins to take out an ineffectual Thiago could not wait for even 5 minutes to see what Coman's moves would have led to in a period where we were putting Atleti under pressure?

Oya tell us the impact of Ribery his replacement and what he did besides almost costing us the tie

You have also not told me his rationale for benching Müller in a game like this

Eruditor:

As for Mou and Carlo, it is quite funny. Carlo could not get past the Quarter finals UCL since 2008 until 2014 and he didn't win a league title in Spain. Mou went trophyless 2014, did well 2015 and almost got his team relegated in 2016. If you feel these are the coaches to win the same amount of trophies with Pep in Bayern, then there's no point debating it.

Yeah I'm sure Pep would have done very well with that geriatric Milan team. In 2010 he lost to the same Inter that beat Pep's Barca so?

And yes he didn't win the league but he won both the Copa Del Rey and CL

Ancelotti would win multiple leagues and DFB Pokal titles with this Bayern squad braah let's leave sentiments at the door. The pertinent question is why does Guardiola want to lose to all 3 Spanish teams? Must he always have the best squad to compete?

`Coman reminds me of chamberlain '

Akpan 40
'...Chamberlain has never led a ucl assist chart in his life'


What the actual fúck??

I'm not here to argue who among them is better or if they are actually similar or not.
But na these kind megedefegede logic dey make nl argument tire me

If you tell the idiōt say nothing dey him brain make he dey calm down, he go dey hyperventilate, dey type paragraphs upon paragraphs of meaningles Insults

raumdeuter:


How is the top 4 struggle coming on

If you have any ironu, you should sit down and think of where you were when Arsenal last won a league.

I was in University the last time Arsenal last won the league.

I have a cousin 10yrs old at that time, he is now in NYSC about to start working, edoyad went from full afrom to bald headed in that same time

Twitter, facebook, Nairaland etc were founded but still no league title, when would you sit down and call your sense to a family meeting to discuss how useless you and your team are?

Oponu, you don start your warapa of the brain again. I don't care about Arsenal. Our season long finished when we played against Manure. Meanwhile, can you tell us how an EPL reject suddenly became King Kong against your useless team?

Can you place your balls on the table and beat your chest that your useless team will win in that your useless stadium next week?

A40:

Coman is nothing like Chamberlain so I don't get the comparison. Chamberlain never led the CL assists chart in his career like Coman is doing at Bayern in just his first season. Back to the game Coman was playing much better than Costa and was taking on Atleti players in our best spell of the game. You mean Pep that needed 70mins to take out an ineffectual Thiago could not wait for even 5 minutes to see what Coman's moves would have led to in a period where we were putting Atleti under pressure?

Oya tell us the impact of Ribery his replacement and what he did besides almost costing us the tie

You have also not told me his rationale for benching Müller in a game like this


Yeah I'm sure Pep would have done very well with that geriatric Milan team. In 2010 he lost to the same Inter that beat Pep's Barca so?

And yes he didn't win the league but he won both the Copa Del Rey and CL

Ancelotti would win multiple leagues and DFB Pokal titles with this Bayern squad braah let's leave sentiments at the door. The pertinent question is why does Guardiola want to lose to all 3 Spanish teams? Must he always have the best squad to compete?

1. I explained the similarities- 1D dribbling and zero end product. I am not saying he doesn't have a bright future. Just showing that like every Juvenile player he tends to do what he has made up his mind to do and not necessarily what the game demands. On so many occasions he tried to beat Luis for pace or just dribble to the right but it was a big fiasco. Anyone watching the game would have seen it. Again why analytics don't tell the whole story always.

2. Both Costa and Coman were playing nonsense but Costa more so because he was in an unnatural position playing as a left footed winger and he was constantly getting double and sometimes triple-teamed. Coman had majorly Luis to contend with all game and he flopped until the latter parts when Luis tired. When Costa was moved to coman's wing, he was at least able to put in 2 decent crosses with his weaker foot.

3. Like I said before I don't defend all Peps decisions as I didn't understand Thiago and then Müller not starting. I personally would have started Müller as Lewa was being frustrated and was the only target man all game. Vidal can only try so much to help. He is no Müller. So yes I questioned the Müller-Thiago issue and would have brought Thiago on as a sub.

4. Ribery reminds me of Neymar alot and that's because they're not dangerous enough seeing that both are not exactly very direct. But I would have started Ribery and Costa and brought on Coman as the sub since he seems to play better when the opposing defenders had tired out. I would have used Ribery's trickery to tire them out and even get Juanfran yellow-carded.

5. As for Ancelloti, We have next season to rate him. Hopefully he will be there long enough to rate him over 3 seasons. See Lucho with a wonderful squad who couldn't get to back to back semis in the UCL. I doubt pep knows what it is like to leave before the semis in his whole managerial career.

PietroRico:
`Coman reminds me of chamberlain '

Akpan 40
'...Chamberlain has never led a ucl assist chart in his life'


What the actual fúck??

I'm not here to argue who among them is better or if they are actually similar or not.
But na these kind megedefegede logic dey make nl argument tire me

If you tell the idiōt say nothing dey him brain make he dey calm down, he go dey hyperventilate, dey type paragraphs upon paragraphs of meaningles Insults

Will you shut up that phallus holster located in your cretinous face. Why not stay away from an argument that is beyond your frequency before I disgrace you and expose your inability to comprehend simple English

Attention whöre. Them swear for you ni? Abi which kin oloriburuku obsession be this

Chamberlain and Coman are many timezones apart. The assists chart would let any human being with a functional brain know that Coman's game does not lack end product like Chamberlain's.

You really need to discover the root cause of this kind of stoopidity in your life.

Pataki:


Oponu, you don start your warapa of the brain again. I don't care about Arsenal. Our season long finished when we played against Manure. Meanwhile, can you tell us how an EPL reject suddenly became King Kong against your useless team?

Can you place your balls on the table and beat your chest that your useless team will win in that your useless stadium next week?

See This shameless human being. You don't care about arsenal but you care about bayern

Opolo e ti yoro

Like a son saying I don't care about my own parents, it's your parent I care about

Falana gbo ti e. How did your team become a joke. My team is in europe till may. Yours has been out eons ago

Eruditor:

As for Mou and Carlo, it is quite funny. Carlo could not get past the Quarter finals UCL since 2008 until 2014 and he didn't win a league title in Spain. Mou went trophyless 2014, did well 2015 and almost got his team relegated in 2016. If you feel these are the coaches to win the same amount of trophies with Pep in Bayern, then there's no point debating it.

Bros, i don't know about Ancelotti but i'm sure you would agree that Mourinho would have won those league titles Pep has managed to win. In Europe, Mourinho improves every single team he has taken over. He transformed a then ordinary Porto to win the Europa, then they won the CL the next season. He took Chelsea to the semis in his first stint. He dragged Inter to the finals and won the competition. Madrid had not got past the knock out stages in the CL for about 6 years but Jose took them to the semis in his first year and they got to at least the semis in every single year he was there. I could go on but what i'm implying is that he simply improves every single club performances in Europe.

Bayern played two consecutive CL finals, or played 3 CL finals in 4 years, or won the CL by the time Pep took over but he hasn't been able to go past the semis so it's not too far to infer that Mourinho would have gotten to the CL finals at least or won 1 if he had been at Bayern given the same resources/conditions that Pep has benefitted from Bayern, so A40 knows exactly what he's talking about and there's a point debating it.

Eruditor:

1. I explained the similarities- 1D dribbling and zero end product. I am not saying he doesn't have a bright future. Just showing that like every Juvenile player he tends to do what he has made up his mind to do and not necessarily what the game demands. On so many occasions he tried to beat Luis for pace or just dribble to the right but it was a big fiasco. Anyone watching the game would have seen it. Again why analytics don't tell the whole story always.

A 19 year old with 6 goals and 11 assists in under 2000 minutes of football has zero end product? I need to know your own definition of end product

He actually did beat Luis a few times, what let him down was his delivery

Eruditor:

2. Both Costa and Coman were playing nonsense but Costa more so because he was in an unnatural position playing as a left footed winger and he was constantly getting double and sometimes triple-teamed. Coman had majorly Luis to contend with all game and he flopped until the latter parts when Luis tired. When Costa was moved to coman's wing, he was at least able to put in 2 decent crosses with his weaker foot.

Costa's default wing since joining Bayern has been on the left. If Robben were fit that is where he would still play

Costa's decision making and Bernat being such an average fullback offensively made it pretty easy to double team Costa which begged the question. Why did Bernat start?

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4. Ribery reminds me of Neymar alot and that's because they're not dangerous enough seeing that both are not exactly very direct. But I would have started Ribery and Costa and brought on Coman as the sub since he seems to play better when the opposing defenders had tired out. I would have used Ribery's trickery to tire them out and even get Juanfran yellow-carded.

I have no qualms with Ribery not starting. His form has been abysmal and was a wasted sub tbh. He really needs to go by the end of the season

Don't forget Ribery is also quite temperamental and could easily be the one picking up the cards

Eruditor:

5. As for Ancelloti, We have next season to rate him. Hopefully he will be there long enough to rate him over 3 seasons. See Lucho with a wonderful squad who couldn't get to back to back semis in the UCL. I doubt pep knows what it is like to leave before the semis in his whole managerial career.

Since joining Bayern Pep's road to the semis have been Arsenal, Man U under Moyes, Donetsk, Porto, Juve and Benfica. Aside Juve I don't see any team on that list I should be dancing ijo yoyo about.
When we brought Pep the expectation was not to jubilate mauling weaker opponents. It was to compete and perhaps produce a dynasty

Musonda is soo better than Coman

GBR1:

Bros, i don't know about Ancelotti but i'm sure you would agree that Mourinho would have won those league titles Pep has managed to win. In Europe, Mourinho improves every single team he has taken over. He transformed a then ordinary Porto to win the Europa, then they won the CL the next season. He took Chelsea to the semis in his first stint. He dragged Inter to the finals and won the competition. Madrid had not got past the knock out stages in the CL for about 6 years but Jose took them to the semis in his first year and they got to at least the semis in every single year he was there. I could go on but what i'm implying is that he simply improves every single club performances in Europe.

Bayern played two consecutive CL finals, or played 3 CL finals in 4 years, or won the CL by the time Pep took over but he hasn't been able to go past the semis so it's not too far to infer that Mourinho would have gotten to the CL finals at least or won 1 if he had been at Bayern given the same resources/conditions that Pep has benefitted from Bayern, so A40 knows exactly what he's talking about and there's a point debating it.

The teams Pep lost to in the last two semis weren't just the eventual champions on UCL but they were also in beast forms. i'm not saying this to defend Pep or whatever but he shouldn't be castigated completely. If you are talking about improvements and all. We should also consider the opponents these teams play. In the last 3 years, the semis have comprised of Barca, Bayern and Real. If you lose to any of these teams, its not a walk over. Atletico missed just one semis in the last 3 years.

Hummels officially requests to join Bayern Munich

GBR1:

Bros, i don't know about Ancelotti but i'm sure you would agree that Mourinho would have won those league titles Pep has managed to win. In Europe, Mourinho improves every single team he has taken over. He transformed a then ordinary Porto to win the Europa, then they won the CL the next season. He took Chelsea to the semis in his first stint. He dragged Inter to the finals and won the competition. Madrid had not got past the knock out stages in the CL for about 6 years but Jose took them to the semis in his first year and they got to at least the semis in every single year he was there. I could go on but what i'm implying is that he simply improves every single club performances in Europe.

Bayern played two consecutive CL finals, or played 3 CL finals in 4 years, or won the CL by the time Pep took over but he hasn't been able to go past the semis so it's not too far to infer that Mourinho would have gotten to the CL finals at least or won 1 if he had been at Bayern given the same resources/conditions that Pep has benefitted from Bayern, so A40 knows exactly what he's talking about and there's a point debating it.

Mourinho fanboys and illogic.

1. Mou played 3 seasons in spain he won just a league title. Pep had 4 seasons and won 3. When Pep was winning the 3 you people said it was because Barca was a good team. Okay, Mou had an equally good RM team and couldn't win it more than once. So help me extrapolate it into Bayern. Because I don't even remember Jupp winning league titles back to back and he went 2 and a half seasons there.

2. Mou is in Chelsea. Flops the first season. We can forgive him. Then he wins the league and Carling cup the following year- Hurrah! Season after he takes the SAME team and is on course to relegating them, that he has to be fired by his bosses. With the same self-serving and rehashed illogic, what is to stop Mou from taking a title winning Bayern side and almost relegating them?

3. Again with this hopeless BS about him taking Chelsea to a semis in his first stint. Ranieri had just done same the season before with a squad that wasn't as great as Mou's Chelsea. And with Inter (We must Praise Mou for this) but how many seasons did he see a semi final with them? You guessed it...ONCE after 2 abysmal tries.

4. Bayern played a final 2009-10. Flopped the next year. Got to a final against a weak Chelsea side ahome and flopped again (if this had been Pep he would have been crucified). Then won it the following year (praise Jupp for this). Pep played RM in 13-14, played Barca 14-15 and lost both ties. Big deal. What I am yet to comprehend is how Mou would have gotten through one of either semis? Was he going to beat Carlo's RM or Luchos Barca? If he could, then Chelsea should have gotten to the final in both years because the eventual winners basically thrashed the 2 teams that knocked him off.

I don't want to derail this thread with long posts over nothing. Mou almost relegated previous champions. That's his legacy.

A40:
Hummels officially requests to join Bayern Munich

Just look at that.

When you can steal the captain of the only credible opposition in the league, why do other teams even bother competing?

That's like Tupac going to sign for Bad Boy.

More reason to burnthisleaguedown..

And he will still lose in Europe unless they meet another German customer in final like they did 3 years ago...

Why trade teams for a medal that is useless. I won't be surprised if children of ex Bayern players that didn't even play football will be demanding for league medals as their birthright.

Useless league.

Just call it the bayernliga

A40:

A 19 year old with 6 goals and 11 assists in under 2000 minutes of football has zero end product? I need to know your own definition of end product

He actually did beat Luis a few times, what let him down was his delivery

I am sure Chamberlain has had a season as this before. It is the beauty of padded stats. I am not saying Coman is not a good player. But by end product I mean his general finishing is very weak. If one was to look at the stats for example, I can guarantee 4 of his assists will come in games that Bayern scored say 3 or more goals and his assist may even be the last (which means the game was already sealed). Not taking anything away from him but just showing you how stats don't tell the whole story.

Your second statement just typifies it- his delivery let him down yesterday.

As for the team Pep has met, you beat what's in front of you. Jupp finished equal points with Valencia group stages with Bate and Lille and barely beat Arsenal in both legs. But he swept Barca. Football can be that way. Jupp played Basel and Marseille too before RM in 2012. Basel and Marseille are not exactly teams to dance about and RM was on penalties which Pep can still do with ATM.

Eruditor:
[s]

Mourinho fanboys and illogic.

1. Mou played 3 seasons in spain he won just a league title. Pep had 4 seasons and won 3. When Pep was winning the 3 you people said it was because Barca was a good team. Okay, Mou had an equally good RM team and couldn't win it more than once. So help me extrapolate it into Bayern. Because I don't even remember Jupp winning league titles back to back and he went 2 and a half seasons there.

2. Mou is in Chelsea. Flops the first season. We can forgive him. Then he wins the league and Carling cup the following year- Hurrah! Season after he takes the SAME team and is on course to relegating them, that he has to be fired by his bosses. With the same self-serving and rehashed illogic, what is to stop Mou from taking a title winning Bayern side and almost relegating them?

3. Again with this hopeless BS about him taking Chelsea to a semis in his first stint. Ranieri had just done same the season before with a squad that wasn't as great as Mou's Chelsea. And with Inter (We must Praise Mou for this) but how many seasons did he see a semi final with them? You guessed it...ONCE after 2 abysmal tries.

4. Bayern played a final 2009-10. Flopped the next year. Got to a final against a weak Chelsea side ahome and flopped again (if this had been Pep he would have been crucified). Then won it the following year (praise Jupp for this). Pep played RM in 13-14, played Barca 14-15 and lost both ties. Big deal. What I am yet to comprehend is how Mou would have gotten through one of either semis? Was he going to beat Carlo's RM or Luchos Barca? If he could, then Chelsea should have gotten to the final in both years because the eventual winners basically thrashed the 2 teams that knocked him off.[/s]

I don't want to derail this thread with long posts over nothing. Mou almost relegated previous champions. That's his legacy.

I'm not interested in derailing this thread so i would ignore the major part of your post which is irrelevant. I don't know how this your post is a reply what you quoted.
You have failed to address any of the points i raised instead. It's very simple. Mourinho always improves his team in Europe and this is a fact which you failed to disprove. I'm not interested in his legacy or whatever and if you can't address the point i raised, fine. Maybe i just expected too much.

Nihilstjnr:
Just look at that.

When you can steal the captain of the only credible opposition in the league, why do other teams even bother competing?

That's like Tupac going to sign for Bad Boy.

More reason to burnthisleaguedown..

Hummels is from the Bayern academy and he stated he wants to return back to his roots

Just like Reus from Dortmund academy became a star at Mochengladbach and returned to his Dortmund roots