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Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by Knightngale(f): 8:33pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by cococandy(f): 9:05pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
Knightngale:Good for you 1 Like |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by Knightngale(f): 9:07pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
cococandy: ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by freecocoa(f): 9:24pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
TV01:I want to say ![]() Well, marriage predates recorded history, but yea, the law codified an existing cultural practice there. The difference it makes, is that the law can handle situations in marriage better, when it involves two people. |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by TV01(m): 9:33pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
freecocoa:Smug is me ![]() ![]() freecocoa:So you agree your whole premise is flawed ![]() freecocoa:Next two questions; 3. Why does the law (or society by way of the law) involve itself in marriage anyway? 4. What is the difference between 2 consenting, adult men and 3, that the law cannot handle? And as they fulfil your criteria - adult, consenting - how can they be denied the same recognition? Come on Free, don't chase me away again with evasionary tactics and watery responses ![]() TV 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by TV01(m): 9:56pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
cococandy:You have the baby ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() First, why make the false and misleading dichotomy? Would you differentiate between two "good couples"? And if you would, that makes you a phobe. Secondly, a "gay couple" is by definition a bad parenting couple. The different attribute that opposite sex couples bring to raising a child cannot be matched by a same sex couple. Males and females bring unique but beautifully complimentary, styles, manner, attributes and input to child-rearing. Thirdly, it has been estimated that up to 60% of a childs well-being is derived from the knowledge of and security in their family background and history. To willfully - by design - deny a child that is abuse. Heinous abuse. Fourthly, to consider the so called rights - which are in in fact selfish feelings and desires - of two men over the rights, health and well-being of a child, to the extent that the child is essentially a commodity (isn't that de facto slavery?), cannot be the product of a sound ideology or right thinking. Fifth, you have a daughter, and I can imagine how much you cherish and love her, desiring only the very best. Are you really going to say that you believe your husband raising her with another, non-related man, would be as good for her as raising her with you her birth mother? Or that other baby girls do not deserve what your daughter has? Sixth, you repudiate the age-long traditions of your people, which is fine, if done with deep thought and much soul-searching, but to do so and replace it with this absurd liberal thinking? Freecocoa came first, but I gave you more time ![]() ![]() TV 2 Likes |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by cococandy(f): 9:58pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
Thank you. And without further ado, I believe you've gone through the thread.I don't know where you get the impression that I'm interested in long unnecessary posts. TV01: 4 Likes |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by freecocoa(f): 9:59pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
crackhaus:When I say cheating, you thought I meant cheating as in people having sex behind their partners back? Crack please na, help me to help you. ![]() No, you don't have that right if it is against the law where you come from and I have given reasons why polygamy is criminalised, so please, don't ask me again. There is no scale covering my eye, you just can't compare right. What you see or don't see, doesn't matter here, the fact remains that, no one under the right circumstances will want to share their husbands. Being young is brought into play, because age as we all ought to know, is not just a number, an 18 years old girl is still naive. Where's the sense in marrying two people? There's no sense in it, so women aren't doing it. ![]() Really? I don't know the meaning of fundamental human right or you don't know what you are talking about? ![]() You can't have that right because the law, after careful consideration and all, sees reason why you shouldn't, but you don't have any just reason why two men shouldn't marry. Scratching my head for answers to questions posed by you? Nigga puleease. *face palm* You have proof that gays endanger their lives just by being gay? There is no danger associated with hetro sex? Heck! Straight people don't do anal*? Your mental health is already in question if you think two men having sex is going to make you go crazy. We shouldn't even be having this argument to start with. [s]btw, stop writing long epistles for me biko,I don't get paid to debate on NL[/s] ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by TV01(m): 10:07pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
cococandy:You are welcome. And whilst you are also more than welcome to refute the claims in the post, it's not "for you". It's so that readers can see the sly deceit in what you wrote. Seventh, in championing this ideology, would you be happy to have a son who identified as gay and indulged in a homosexual lifestyle? And be equally happy to do omugwo for a child who was half his male partners, and half some random woman' who was cut out of the childs life. Go on, I dare you, be bold to lay hold of the assertions you make. TV 1 Like |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by cococandy(f): 10:12pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
Good for you TV01: 2 Likes |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by freecocoa(f): 10:27pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
TV01:It's your right to think whatever you want, I certainly won't try to take that away from you, so be glad you are king in your head and like I implied, I couldn't care less. ![]() No I don't agree. I'm supposed to tell you why the law involves itself in marriage? Pray tell, why does the law involve itself in anything? ![]() The difference is that two is not the same as three. ![]() I am not the law, therefore I cannot conclusively say why it's difficult for the law to handle matters on marriage, involving more than two persons but I have a theory. Let's just say, things can never be fair in an intimate relationship, comprising of more than two people. |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by JoeBlocks(m): 10:47pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
TV01:Dude, who are you? I need to buy you a bottle of beer ASAP!. 1 Like |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by TV01(m): 10:48pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
freecocoa: ![]() freecocoa:Your agreement - or otherwise - is a mute point, I have demonstrated it. As have you in your response. freecocoa:I spoke about promoting, permitting and proscribing in my first post. My prescience aside ![]() ![]() The law promotes marriage - between a man and woman - because of it's benefits to society, consequently affording it certain rights and privileges. freecocoa:The basis you stated was adulthood and consent (you may have mentioned love?). What is materially different between two men wanting to form a relationship on that basis and 3 men likewise? And why should the 2 be recognised as marriage and not the 3? What is materially different? Especially as they meet your given criteria. freecocoa:You are not the law? Yet you stated categorcally what the law must be based on and how it must recognise same-sex relationships. You've now gone from declaratively asserting to theorising ![]() You said it was about adulthood, consent and perhaps love. If those are present does that not make it fair? Who are you - or the law - to decide what is fair about the consenting choices of adults. Where is Mindfulness? I'm still hungry ![]() TV |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by TV01(m): 10:57pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
JoeBlocks:I think I should be asking you that ![]() I am NL chief marriage advocate and foremost femnivore. You'll find a number of feminists parading with torn flesh and parts missing. I probably did that ![]() And thanks for the offer, but I don't drink. I'm also a modern day Nazarite - or Pharisee to my enemies ![]() Saluté TV 1 Like |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by freecocoa(f): 11:00pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
TV01 let's pick it up later, I have to be away now and I see you haven't lost the attitude, you might want to tone it down if we are going to continue, you can agree that it gets ugly when it shouldn't with such attitude, keep it classy, thank you. 4 Likes |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by JoeBlocks(m): 11:01pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
TV01:Em, I was only being humorous. LOL. ![]() |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by crackhaus: 11:04pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
freecocoa:Lol, this chic though... If you don't want me to typing long epistles, why did you go ahead typing this one... and how the hell am I supposed to respond to all of it without typing a lengthy epistle? ![]() Okay you know what, you're right... you win - Homosexual men really do have the fundamental human right to love, marry, and raise kids with a fellow man...while polygamous men don't have any fundamental rights whatsoever to marry as many women as they want. God bless the United States of America! One would think that a country capable of putting a man on the moon would also be capable of knowing how fundamental human rights work, Lmao ![]() And err I knew exactly what you meant by 'cheating' madam freecocoa, don't get ahead of yourself...need I remind you I'm a genius ![]() ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by JoeBlocks(m): 11:08pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
freecocoa:And this is the second time you're running with your tail between your legs. First me, then TV. One would think you're remotely related to the runaway bride. ![]() I still like you though... ![]() ![]() ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by crackhaus: 11:19pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
freecocoa:Lord have mercy... ![]() ![]() The all-knowing all-liberal all-righteous law knows how to handle matters relating to two gay men raising a child, but suddenly knows nothing about how to handle a marriage where a man marries two women because it isn't fair. ![]() ![]() Tell us Cocoa, is it fair to that innocent little child having to be raised by two daddies when all her friends in the school playground have one daddy and one mummy? [size=26]IS IT FAIR?[/size] ![]() ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by luvablesam(m): 11:22pm On Apr 29, 2016 |
lepasharon: I accept that my sis,our forefathers made our religions scary...that's y foreign religions had/have a foot hold...who will wanna serve a god that strikes fear in them rather than the zeal to follow willingly....Africa is the only continent that foreign religions have a mainstay.... We shouldn't sit lazily waiting for the Whiteman to bring the next derivative or grant... |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by Knightngale(f): 6:03am On Apr 30, 2016 |
crackhaus:nice 1 Like |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by JoeBlocks(m): 7:12am On Apr 30, 2016 |
TheDarknight:I don't believe its a lesser evil bro. What ain nice, aint nice! Especially when it has to do with a child. Having a child brought up by two men is as dangerous as having a brought up by a paedophile. That's the way it is. Cococandy assertion is as flawed as yours. |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by TheDarknight: 7:28am On Apr 30, 2016 |
JoeBlocks: You failed to grasp the message!!! No one is endorsing or giving a veild acquiescence to paedophilia or parental abuse. My submission is, a child who was abused by the father, ---any many who had have gone on to be successful in marriage and raised families--- still stands a healthy chance of regaining their womanhood and nature as against a child who becomes a lesbian as a result of indoctrination and skewed sexual orientation of being raised by two faggøts. That's the analysis, it's a comparison. Prep up to Vote Mimzy o 2 Likes |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by freecocoa(f): 7:31am On Apr 30, 2016 |
crackhaus:Yes it is fair and not every kid in the playground has a mum and dad. 2 Likes |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by freecocoa(f): 7:37am On Apr 30, 2016 |
JoeBlocks:Really? I ran? Like there's an actual price to be won, you take yourselves way too seriously. If only I liked you back. ![]() |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by freecocoa(f): 8:21am On Apr 30, 2016 |
TV01:TV, I think you should go through my posts on this thread, replying this post will be me repeating what I've already said more than once, I honestly don't see any new question here. |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by JoeBlocks(m): 8:59am On Apr 30, 2016 |
freecocoa:My dear, I take things I find edifying seriously, such as you. ![]() ![]() Never say never gurl. ![]() ![]() |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by JoeBlocks(m): 9:05am On Apr 30, 2016 |
TheDarknight:Oh now I see and understand. Hey! At the emboldened, Cut it out! I don't like it. Thanks. |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by freecocoa(f): 9:15am On Apr 30, 2016 |
JoeBlocks:Na so. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by TV01(m): 4:01pm On Apr 30, 2016 |
freecocoa:...c'mon Free. Whatever I thought of you,I always considered you better than this. You started so assertively on this thread too ![]() All the bluster around "the law must do this...fundamental human rights...exclude culture & religion...consenting adults etc. etc". And now this ![]() ![]() JoeBlocks:No be me talk am 0! Although that runaway bride aside is loaded with meaning ![]() I read all your posts. It was on the basis of that that I posed you 4 questions, or 3, as 2 & 4 are essentially the same question from different angles. 1. Pray tell Free, where did the law conjure up marriage from? Was it created ex-nihilo? Or did it merely codify an existing cultural or religious custom? 2. And again, why the arbitrary number "2"? Or, to put it this way, if you believe that 2 consenting men together does no harm, what is the harm if it is 3 or more consenting men. What difference does that make? Why is marriage restricted to 2 people? 3. Why does the law (or society by way of the law) involve itself in marriage anyway? 4. What is the difference between 2 consenting, adult men and 3, that the law cannot handle? And as they fulfil your criteria - adult, consenting - how can they be denied the same recognition? You answered #1 - in which you basically debunked your own odd assertion that the law must totally exclude culture and religion, and now you've demurred. My hope changed, but my expectations didn't. TV |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by JoeBlocks(m): 4:24pm On Apr 30, 2016 |
[quote author=TV01 post=45185987] ...c'mon Free. Whatever I thought of you,I always considered you better than this. You started so assertively on this thread too ![]() All the bluster around "the law must do this...fundamental human rights...exclude culture & religion...consenting adults etc. etc". And now this ![]() ![]() No be me talk am 0! Although that runaway bride aside is loaded with meaning ![]() I read all your posts. It was on the basis of that that I posed you 4 questions, or 3, as 2 & 4 are essentially the same question from different angles.Obviously from religion of traditional sources, never forget, before religion, there was tradition, and before modern law, there was religion and tradition, marriage itself predates modern law. So I believe the law (modern law) did as the emboldened signify. 2. And again, why the arbitrary number "2"? Or, to put it this way, if you believe that 2 consenting men together does no harm, what is the harm if it is 3 or more consenting men. What difference does that make? Why is marriage restricted to 2 people?Marriage isn't restricted to 2 people, only the whites man unfair law restricts it to two people. If you ask me, I'll say, (hypnotically) that the restriction to 2 has a lot to do with 'population' control. 3. Why does the law (or society by way of the law) involve itself in marriage anyway?Because, society from time in memorial, have never been able to mind their business. 'Control' is the watch word. A man who is told how he bleeps, whom he bleeps, whom he is allowed and not allowed to fuck_ is a marionette. 4. What is the difference between 2 consenting, adult men and 3, that the law cannot handle? And as they fulfil your criteria - adult,Now I wouldn't know the extent to which the Western law works, but the african law have always been able to handle 3 consenting adult, that is, one man and two women. Uhuru Africa!!!! You answered #1 - in which you basically debunked your own odd assertion that the law must totally exclude culture and religion, and now you've demurred.I don't understand the emboldened. Kindly elucidate. |
Re: Gay Couple Wins Custody Battle Over Surrogate Mother, Jubilation In Hell. by fr3do(m): 4:44pm On Apr 30, 2016 |
Miami11: shuoo! Because she doesnt support homosexuality, she is now a village person? Mental slave! 1 Like |
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