delishpot:
Yes. The custom of enslavement. Later you guys come here to wonder why our mothers and foremothers never left their abusive and sad marriages. This is the reason why. The custom made sure to tie a woman down to a man one way or the other.man.
If she left the child as custom wants to force her to do, it's still those same hypocrites that will say she abandoned her baby and left the marriage. If she wants to carry her baby and leave those same people will say according to custom she should leave baby with the man. How then can a woman escape an unhappy and abusive marriage?

zephrsmile:


I will gladly bust ur bubble. If we like we can be yoruba history teacher sef. But we have a Constitution in Nigeria which supercedes any traditional customs. Besides where is the best interest of the child in this narrative. So, you would want to deceive us that yoruba women have no rights in marriage abi? Nice try. It's men like you that help to propagate this silly attitudes in some yoruba men. Does yoruba customs also support not providing for your family? Or exposing them to external shame and ridicule by raking up debts for your wife to pay. Or even drug use by the head of the family. Please enlightened us with your infinite knowledge on tradition.

ourchoice:
[s]If not for money and material need, majority of Nigerian women won't marry any man! #FACT

If TeeBillz had money, Tiwa wouldn't have disgraced him the way she did...2face Idibia, Danjuma, Late MKO Abiola, Late Abacha, Shino Peters, etc are more irresponsible than Teebillz but still, their wives and concubines who are prettier and hotter than Tiwa Savage times 2 condone them and even defend their cheating and irresponsible lifestyles!

If you are a guy or man reading this, please listen up: you are dead to women if you don't have money as a man...but you are the most loving, caring and faithful man to women so long as you have the money!

Women are smarter than men of today, too bad....women screen men based on how much they have but men screen women based on inconsequential physical beauty that fades the moment u get the woman to be yours.

It's high time Nigerian men wake up and start dating and marrying women based on how much they (women) have too....divorce her if she looses her job! divorce her if she fails to contribute to the family upkeep! Don't marry her if she doesn't have a good job, not from a rich family and not earning big income! Nigerian men wake up! Nigerian ladies are taking u Nigerian men for a fool!

A Nigerian guy will be rich and go marry one broke girl and turn her life and that of her family around for good....but no rich Nigerian lady agrees to date or marry an average-income Nigerian guy....and if she dares, she must be too old and ugly! and must be controlling the poor guy's life like a remote controlled CCTV camera!

Guys wake up!

Ini Edo only divorced her husband because things became bad for him financially and he started depending on Ini Edo for money...the same thing is happening now between Tiwa and TeeBilllz, why? because Nigerian women are only after money and once the man can't dish out the money like before, he's dead and gone!

If Omotola's husband was broke, Omotola would have divorced him long time ago...same with Stephanie Okereke, etc...to these women, it's all about the money!

Davido was right: life to Nigerian women is all about the money and nothing else!

Have u guys ever wondered why Linda Ikeji, Genevieve Nnaji, Rita Domnic, Funke Akindele, etc are all single It's simply because they are waiting for Dangote son or some billionaire to marry them and squander more money on them!

They don't want to settle down with an average-income earner or ordinary millionaire guy, they want billionaires, shame on Nigerian women and their mad love for money!!

Nigerian guys wake up too! Don't date or marry a broke girl again! If your wife was working and looses her job, pls divorce her asap and marry a richer lady, simple!!!

Let's all join the women and play the game too![/s]

delishpot:
Yes. The custom of enslavement. Later you guys come here to wonder why our mothers and foremothers never left their abusive and sad marriages. This is the reason why. The custom made sure to tie a woman down to a man one way or the other.man.
If she left the child as custom wants to force her to do, it's still those same hypocrites that will say she abandoned her baby and left the marriage. If she wants to carry her baby and leave those same people will say according to custom she should leave baby with the man. How then can a woman escape an unhappy and abusive marriage?

Sanchez01:
The head of marriage customary act is not correct

ourchoice:
If not for money and material need, majority of Nigerian women won't marry any man! #FACT

If TeeBillz had money, Tiwa wouldn't have disgraced him the way she did...2face Idibia, Danjuma, Late MKO Abiola, Late Abacha, Shino Peters, etc are more irresponsible than Teebillz but still, their wives and concubines who are prettier and hotter than Tiwa Savage times 2 condone them and even defend their cheating and irresponsible lifestyles!

If you are a guy or man reading this, please listen up: you are dead to women if you don't have money as a man...but you are the most loving, caring and faithful man to women so long as you have the money!

Women are smarter than men of today, too bad....women screen men based on how much they have but men screen women based on inconsequential physical beauty that fades the moment u get the woman to be yours.

It's high time Nigerian men wake up and start dating and marrying women based on how much they (women) have too....divorce her if she looses her job! divorce her if she fails to contribute to the family upkeep! Don't marry her if she doesn't have a good job, not from a rich family and not earning big income! Nigerian men wake up! Nigerian ladies are taking u Nigerian men for a fool!

A Nigerian guy will be rich and go marry one broke girl and turn her life and that of her family around for good....but no rich Nigerian lady agrees to date or marry an average-income Nigerian guy....and if she dares, she must be too old and ugly! and must be controlling the poor guy's life like a remote controlled CCTV camera!

Guys wake up!

Ini Edo only divorced her husband because things became bad for him financially and he started depending on Ini Edo for money...the same thing is happening now between Tiwa and TeeBilllz, why? because Nigerian women are only after money and once the man can't dish out the money like before, he's dead and gone!

If Omotola's husband was broke, Omotola would have divorced him long time ago...same with Stephanie Okereke, etc...to these women, it's all about the money!

Davido was right: life to Nigerian women is all about the money and nothing else!

Have u guys ever wondered why Linda Ikeji, Genevieve Nnaji, Rita Domnic, Funke Akindele, etc are all single It's simply because they are waiting for Dangote son or some billionaire to marry them and squander more money on them!

They don't want to settle down with an average-income earner or ordinary millionaire guy, they want billionaires, shame on Nigerian women and their mad love for money!!

Nigerian guys wake up too! Don't date or marry a broke girl again! If your wife was working and looses her job, pls divorce her asap and marry a richer lady, simple!!!

Let's all join the women and play the game too!

scully95:
Written by Grandson Soyemi.

Tiwa Salvage says she will always allow her estranged husband to have access to their son. As a Yoruba woman, she is totally in the wrong here. This is more so because the Yoruba people have three phases of marriage: the Introduction, the Engagement and the Registry, Church or Mosque Ceremony.

The most significant of the three stages is the engagement proper which is often conducted under the Yoruba Cutomary Marriage Act.
The Act states that the children of the union between a husband and a wife belong to the father and if the father dies, the children belong to his immediate family. Tiwa's husband has all the rights over their child, according to the Yoruba culture and tradition, which are laws in Yorubaland.

However, this tradition is not the same as those of the White in America or the English from the United Kingdom, where more often than not it is the wife who has the custody of the children. In Yorubaland, it is the father who has the custody. Tiwa, therefore has no right whatsoever over the child of her union with the husband. She is in Lagos, Yorubaland and not in New York or London.
I have done this post to educate the gullible Yoruba Youth who may have watched Tiwa's video. On reflection, I am, however disturbed on the mores and mishaps that increasingly afflict love and marriage among young Yorubas.

Our society expects us all to get married. With only rare exceptions, we all do just that. Getting married is a rather complicated business. It involves mastering certain complex hustling and courtship games, the rituals and the ceremonies that celebrate the act of marriage, and finally the difficult requirements of domestic life with a husband or wife. It is an enormously elaborate round of activities, much more so than finding a job, and yet while many resolutely remain unemployed, few remain unmarried.

Now all this would not be particularly remarkable if there were no question about the advantages, the joys, and the rewards of married life, but most Yoruba, even young Yoruba, know or have heard that marriage is a hazardous affair.
Of course, for all the increase in divorce, there are still young marriages that work, unions made by young men and women intelligent or fortunate enough to find the kind of mates they want, who know that they want children and how to love them when they come, or who find the artful blend between giving and receiving.

It is not these marriages that concern us here, and that is not the trend in Yoruba today. We are concerned with the increasing number of others who, with mixed intentions and varied illusions, grope or fling themselves into marital disaster. They talk solemnly and sincerely about working to make their marriage succeed, but they are very aware of the countless marriages they have seen fail.
But young people in particular do not seem to be able to relate the awesome divorce statistics to the probability of failure of their own marriage. And they rush into it, in increasing numbers, without any clear idea of the reality that underlies the myth.
I can only hope Tiwa and her husband find the grace to work things out on their own.

delishpot:


Was not talking about the good ones. I never said all of the men we're bad.

delishpot:
Yes. The custom of enslavement. Later you guys come here to wonder why our mothers and foremothers never left their abusive and sad marriages. This is the reason why. The custom made sure to tie a woman down to a man one way or the other.man.
If she left the child as custom wants to force her to do, it's still those same hypocrites that will say she abandoned her baby and left the marriage. If she wants to carry her baby and leave those same people will say according to custom she should leave baby with the man. How then can a woman escape an unhappy and abusive marriage?

folks4luv:

kinda understand your points but you need to slow down a bit and consider this case. TJ doesn't have a regular income, we need no prophet to tell us he is going through psychological trauma. what If all Tiwa's allegations are true? what if the guy is on drugs? leave the boy with him in the name of culture? The western people you cited as an example doesn't give custody to the mother or father automatically, but they examine the parents and then decide who is fit to take care of a child. now, that is commonsense at play. is our culture so devoid of commonsense that the custody of a child will be awarded to an irresponsible parent cause it it is automatic?

oyb:

considering the fantastic job the grandparents did with tbillz i can see how that would turn out. everything you've said has just painted tbillz mother in a VERY bad light, since as you say kids learn faster from the mother.

if in tbillz parents in their youth, in much simpler times could not raise a responsible kid, who says they can do so in their old age in these times?

your post reeks of misognystic patriachry - a tbillz who we have never seen with his other children, who is little better than an indebted crackhead has the potential to be a good father. wetin we no go hear ?

BitterTruthUass:
Tiwa is being kind by saying he can allow him see his son, if she takes her son to the UK for life then you will know African customary Act is a mere talk to the birds.

delishpot:
Yes. The custom of enslavement. Later you guys come here to wonder why our mothers and foremothers never left their abusive and sad marriages. This is the reason why. The custom made sure to tie a woman down to a man one way or the other.man.
If she left the child as custom wants to force her to do, it's still those same hypocrites that will say she abandoned her baby and left the marriage. If she wants to carry her baby and leave those same people will say according to custom she should leave baby with the man. How then can a woman escape an unhappy and abusive marriage?

Bookiemart01:
MUMU POST of the year

scully95:

You want to tell me Tiwa did not know before she ran into it right ? Ok let assume she does not know.

To get to the bottom of it all, you need to look into what went on in LA. When tiwa was a no one and was fcking every man's dick way up.

I guess T balogun must have loved the fckings and so put his everything with the hope of making the best from her.

But see how things turned out... First of all sacking T balogun is more or less like removing the connecting rope between the two or the relationship which is based on mutual business in the first place.

If she did not remove his only life wire, I bet he wont go around begging for money. 45m here..

Accoding to Tiwa, I am even sure those that dropped that kind of money must be servicing her cos she's the loose girl and there is element of truth in everyting T Balogun said about her..

I know this family very well. Teebillz's father is a big boy to the call was formally running all the computer prices in Computer villiage before he diversified to real estate.


T Balogun is a spoilt child and the type that would never beg Tiwa. Things fell apart for him. Rewind to LA,Teebillz is a big boy to the call that has Office in LA. Do you know what it means to have an office down town LA and decided to sell everything because of one girl and the girl now decided to remove his only life wire ?

The issue she said about diverting money could be resolved. Why kill he cat for removing just the eyes from the big fish ?
Someone mostly pushed her to do that..Those people will push her to her fall finally.

scully95:


Who is talking about bride price here ? The Child belonging to the Father, means it used the rope to tie the wife down to the father right ? If the wife wants to go here, she's also free to go. So what's the point ?

How did that tie the wife down to the Husband ? She can also visit but the father will have full custody of the child (especially when it's one child) and when Child grows up to 18 he or she can decide where to go.


And this is simply because of Ladies generally. Single ladies in Yoruba land are always suspected to be fcking about anyhow or some even turn prostitutes. (Even when they are married they are still fcking abt carelessely, and kids learn very fast from them especially when these kids are not with their fathers or the two living together)

So you expect the kid here to grow up and be like her mother right ? Again this is not London or Uk or even Russia where they have a different culture. This is Yoruba land and the helders must have seen a lot before coming to this conclusion.

If we are to even go by your idealism of slavery, it's catholic here that is doing that. As we speak it's almost impossible to get a divorce and marry again in Catholic church.
What is that ?

delishpot:


It ties her down. She said he is free to see his child but OP says child belongs to the man. So what does that do to tiwa? Should she leave the child and go? She has stated that he has access to his child recognizing his rights as a father towards his child. What more should she do?
Child belongs to both parents. This is why I advice parents to collect #1 bride price so if the man starts forming I spent my money to marry you, you just slap his face with his yeye bride price and kick his ass out.
No be force Na. She wants to move on let her be.

FrancisTony:
Yeah, I can't keep up with both.
I was on strike but I am resuming back on Tuesday.

haul:


If this is your retort then you have brain but can't be used on a topic like this.

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Tiwa can keep the child since they had a legal union, if teebillz wants to lay claim to the child then she should take the matter to court for the court to overrule it. Which I'm positive it will go in favor of tiwa since there is an allegation of cocaine on mr billz. That allegation can make him not stable enough to be in custody of the child if it pans out truthful.
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This up here is how to use your brain when you see a topic like this @BitterTruthUass

airex:
U represent what you put up as ur display picture.

airex:
U represent what you put up as ur display picture.

SirShymexx:


Thanks for shedding more light on this issue. By looking at the guy and the information I’ve been able to gather on the internet – it’s obvious the guys isn’t a scrounger. I believe the mistake he made was to invest his all into something he felt would be a potential cash cow and a catalyst to propel him, and his management company to the next level. This is why it’s always self-destructive to trust and invest your all in people, regardless of the relationship you have with them. Why didn’t he sign her to a normal deal? At least he’d still be getting close to 30-40% of whatever she makes? He fell in love and lost his senses. It’s business and there’s no friendship in business. You need a level of selfishness/self-centeredness in this world to be successful. And the reason why he’s erratic is cos he has lost everything.

Anyone would get depressed when someone you invested all your money, sweat, and time in gets to the level you finally expect to start reaping but the person starts holding your hand. In business, it’s colossal loss. I guess the fear of having to start all over again from the scratch is what made him develop the mental breakdown. Then you’ve the MIL moving in with them to ridicule and mentally torture the guy. It’s sad, really.

Obviously, because she’s the “superstar” at the moment, he’ll be the scrounger and leech. However, people won’t look back at when she was a failed artist and failed X-factor contestant – before she was discovered by the guy. And the same guy invested everything he had in her and moved to naij cos he believed in her. But now that she’s made it – he’s now a weed head, coke head, philanderer, broke bum living off his wife, debtor etc. Why didn’t she say all these when the guy was working his socks off and spending his money to make her career blossom? Apparently, he also sold his car to pay for her first video.

Hopefully, the wise guys reading the guy’s story won’t get carried away by the theatrics and learn from the guy’s experience. It’s always self-destructive to invest your all in people, regardless of the relationship you have with them. The world is about survival of the fittest and when money is involved, people do change. There’s no shared dream and it has to always be about you at all times. I wish the guy nothing but the best and I hope he gets the help he needs, though I know he definitely has his own imperfections. He just lost one and losing is part of life. It’s now time for sober reflections but it’s not the end of the world.

Anyway, I'm out. Thanks for the educative thread about Yoruba tradition, Sir - rich tradition.

scully95:

You are welcome... I don't use loose words first.. I was actually waiting for you to use cussed words before I fire my own.. Infact I have prepared what to say already lol..

Take care..

Danielzlinks:
mhm ??

scully95:
Written by Grandson Soyemi.

Tiwa Salvage says she will always allow her estranged husband to have access to their son. As a Yoruba woman, she is totally in the wrong here. This is more so because the Yoruba people have three phases of marriage: the Introduction, the Engagement and the Registry, Church or Mosque Ceremony.

The most significant of the three stages is the engagement proper which is often conducted under the Yoruba Cutomary Marriage Act.
The Act states that the children of the union between a husband and a wife belong to the father and if the father dies, the children belong to his immediate family. Tiwa's husband has all the rights over their child, according to the Yoruba culture and tradition, which are laws in Yorubaland.

However, this tradition is not the same as those of the White in America or the English from the United Kingdom, where more often than not it is the wife who has the custody of the children. In Yorubaland, it is the father who has the custody. Tiwa, therefore has no right whatsoever over the child of her union with the husband. She is in Lagos, Yorubaland and not in New York or London.
I have done this post to educate the gullible Yoruba Youth who may have watched Tiwa's video. On reflection, I am, however disturbed on the mores and mishaps that increasingly afflict love and marriage among young Yorubas.

Our society expects us all to get married. With only rare exceptions, we all do just that. Getting married is a rather complicated business. It involves mastering certain complex hustling and courtship games, the rituals and the ceremonies that celebrate the act of marriage, and finally the difficult requirements of domestic life with a husband or wife. It is an enormously elaborate round of activities, much more so than finding a job, and yet while many resolutely remain unemployed, few remain unmarried.

Now all this would not be particularly remarkable if there were no question about the advantages, the joys, and the rewards of married life, but most Yoruba, even young Yoruba, know or have heard that marriage is a hazardous affair.
Of course, for all the increase in divorce, there are still young marriages that work, unions made by young men and women intelligent or fortunate enough to find the kind of mates they want, who know that they want children and how to love them when they come, or who find the artful blend between giving and receiving.

It is not these marriages that concern us here, and that is not the trend in Yoruba today. We are concerned with the increasing number of others who, with mixed intentions and varied illusions, grope or fling themselves into marital disaster. They talk solemnly and sincerely about working to make their marriage succeed, but they are very aware of the countless marriages they have seen fail.
But young people in particular do not seem to be able to relate the awesome divorce statistics to the probability of failure of their own marriage. And they rush into it, in increasing numbers, without any clear idea of the reality that underlies the myth.
I can only hope Tiwa and her husband find the grace to work things out on their own.

Ugosample:


Now that we are clear on that....
That's good.
Good night to you

LesbianBoy:
My own is, why are nigerian ladies supporting tiwa?

moshino:
The 'ABOBAKU' concept is also a Yoruba custom. How's is that working out for you!