bilaal29:

Alfa Christopher's name is Otayemi Christopher
and Alfa Civil is Ajetunmobi Ismail
Am very sure you would have been seriously beaten if you guess have tried that.
I can relate to your story but still try to get your name, please which block did you stay in Akindeko then?

Do you know Alfa Seltzer?

soulpeppersoup:


Now compare the book the people you mentioned read. Who wrote it? how did he live his live? Did those who read his books follow his steps?

I say read book that you will like to resemble. For giving yourself to enjoying books on this kind of topic tells me where you will end up tomorrow if your not already one

..LOL.. Its useless engaging this one

HardMirror:

Only lies survive that way.
If the bible is the truth no need telling people to be careful what they read.
No matter how much I tell you that if I cut off your head you won't die, does it make it true. No matter stories of people you read that tells you that if your head is cut off you will live, does it make it true.
The bible claims to be universal truth so no need trying to protect it. Truth can protect itself

The truth neither needs compulsion or indoctrination or threats with hell

Uncle johnnydon22 answer my question is she freecocoa

Ruq:


If you no this to be true, you should know that whichever god that chooses to judge us is unfair, since those killing themselves for god are a result of the information they where exposed to.

No we are not a product of information we are exposed to. We are a product of information we chose to put inside us by reading them. I saw this topic, I thought it was something of good interest but when I read the first thing the op wrote I just left reading to see comment after I saw that guys comment I tried to give him life secret and walk out because this kind thing is not the life I will like to replicate. I choose not to read what they op has to say.

Its a choice and you will be judge based on those choices

johnydon22:

..LOL.. Its useless engaging this one

Its good to know a worthy opponent when you see one.

If we all decide to live by love, ISIS, BOKOHARAM will not exist, whether you were exposed to one book and shut you mind to the others. I still maintain our God is one who gives people choices to make, but your choices will determine where you end up. When we are faced with difficulties we start asking God questions, when life is good, we thank Him for who He is. Think of this, when you give birth to 10 children that you can't take care of, if they die from hunger should you blame God for your mishap? it is your choice. Anything you do with no regard for human existence will always attract the judgment of God. To experience God is not easy but when u step in fully I mean fully, you will never pray to get out of it. God gave Adam choices, but he decided to obey God, you may question why God placed the tree there in the first place but if you really want to see what your children will look like when you place all your properties in their care you need to test them with a little of those properties. They can only choose to obey based on what they see. If we can see things the way God see things this world will be a better place to live in. the most difficult set of people for God to redeem are those who have tasted God and then slip away, you can't preach to them, they already know where it is in the bible it takes the grace of God to confound their new found 'wisdom'.

HardMirror:
I would be rounding up with my next post. But before that.

I DID NOT OPEN THIS TOPIC TO MAKE PEOPLE DROP THEIR RELIGION
This thread is only to make information available to those who need this information. I did not have the privilege of reading such a story when I was going through my identity crisis.
It is to educate and make information available ONLY to those who need it.

This is the story of a real person and the details given are all verifiable.

I know thousands appreciate me coming out with this. If you find comfort in god all good for you. It takes a lot of courage to drop god and only very responsible people can dare it. If you are not strong and ready to take full responsible for your life and actions, pls keep your religion. Dropping religion is not a joke. No false hope to keep you going, you face reality squarely.

Thanks everyone for the comments so far.

I am here to have fun. I have opened some ridiculous threads in the past and I will open more in future. Not here to please anyone.

Will be signing out soon. Already missing romance section were we discuss rubbish.

MTCHEEW!

urahara:
Uncle johnnydon22 answer my question is she freecocoa

Biko leave me jooor … Amebo

Danyl:
If we all decide to live by love, ISIS, BOKOHARAM will not exist, whether you were exposed to one book and shut you mind to the others. I still maintain our God is one who gives people choices to make, but your choices will determine where you end up. When we are faced with difficulties we start asking God questions, when life is good, we thank Him for who He is. Think of this, when you give birth to 10 children that you can't take care of, if they die from hunger should you blame God for your mishap? it is your choice. Anything you do with no regard for human existence will always attract the judgment of God. To experience God is not easy but when u step in fully I mean fully, you will never pray to get out of it. God gave Adam choices, but he decided to obey God, you may question why God placed the tree there in the first place but if you really want to see what your children will look like when you place all your properties in their care you need to test them with a little of those properties. They can only choose to obey based on what they see. If we can see things the way God see things this world will be a better place to live in. the most difficult set of people for God to redeem are those who have tasted God and then slip away, you can't preach to them, they already know where it is in the bible it takes the grace of God to confound their new found 'wisdom'.

You seem not to understand the make up of a man. Man is pure information. Without information we are nothing. Our behaviour is a reflection of the information we have gathered over the years, its not necessarily information from books. When you interact with people your giving the information you have acquired and receiving the one they have acquired. Our environment pass information to us. Now information can not affect us until we accept it.

Danyl:

Just like Job asked God several questions but never received any answer, but when God finally answered him, he knew outrightly that he has sinned against God. God is our father but He can't be taken by surprise, however one thing is certain, when God decides to bring you back to His fold you will be surprised. He is not done with you yet. Sometimes it takes that little extra to see things the way God see things. There is only a very thin line between truth and error but many have slipped into error thinking they are still in line with God, and some think they are on the right path but they totally slipped into error, it will take God nothing to redeem you but for those who are once enlightened, who have tasted of the heavenly gift, that have known the power of God, and of the ages to come, if they slip away it is impossible for them to be brought back but my prayer is that this will not be your portion. There is light at the end of the tunnel. One of the scientists who was an atheist realized on his sick bed that truly there is God but he never did accept Christ before his demise. my believe is that the very basis of atheism is 'there is no God', but the end will justify the means.

Exactly, am sure that was God testing our brother's faith. I am equally sure God must have asked, have you seen my son "op" and devil would have said let me pinch his faith he would turn around and abuse you. Then again, I wasn't there but I believe brother op's faith was tested.

As far as am concerned the OP is still very pointless,clueless and confused.. this basis for your Lost was conformed out of the desire to know everything.. and even as the bible has provided us with every knowledge we will seek of you never used it. You were in a haste to disagree with God. You claim to serve God and gave him your all and all but you were restricted to a single entity of worship. From the little questions and post you'v made I can see you are empty.
You never had knowledge. You were just doing works base on spirituality alone which is far from being the basis to ascertain a true Christian. Your doings were base on routine and obligations. Not by belief, love and submission.

You'd not read your Bible completely and for full understanding cause if you did you wouldn't be asking some childish questions am seeing on here. Who told you you saw it all? I laugh.
You were just about miracles,healing and spirituality which is very limited to a single entity of service. And does not in anyway uplift your purity,righteousness, knowledge,conformity and true relationship with the Holy spirit.

Okay look at you now.
You sitting on the fence about God's excellence and you not ashamed. How will you in your right senses now say there is no God. Do you know the source of the food you eat? What is water? Where does it pours out from. Why will one seize to exist if he stops breathing? What's behind the mystery of air in open. What is actually beneath the earth(ground) you have your legs on.
Have you travelled by air before? Do you see those heights?
Look at you!
|where were you when I layed the earth's foundation? Tell me if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know. Who stretch a measuring line across it. On what were the footings set? Or who laid the cornerstone - Job 38 :4-6
Your lost son.

|Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea or walked in the recesses of the deep? Have the gates of death been shown to you? Have you seen the gates of the shadow of death? Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth? Tell me if you know all this- Job 38 16-18.. oh lord.
OP, who endowed the heart with wisdom and gave understanding to the mind?
Who pours out rain? Who directs the way of the lightening bolts.
Can you raise your voice to the clouds and cover yourself with flood of water?
(excerpts from the book of Job)

Stupid kids who persist in foolishness you don't know it's only by God's power you exist(whether u believe in him or not) now you declare war on the lord when before you were born he form you in the uterus.
|who has a claim against me that I must pay?
Everything under heaven belongs to me - Job 41:11

You are condemning God to justify yourself?
Listen here, The perfections of God are not affected by human opinion. everything in the universe is under his control,his rule and dominion. If you like believe if like don't, you don't affect the existence of anything not even yourself. Can you create a leaf? Or an ant.
You claim you were close to God yet you sound too ignorant(indeed you are) to know basic/deep truths.. how could you ask such a clueless question as why God allow people to suffer in earth. In this Age. You forgot your genesis, the sin of Adam, the 1st destruction,2nd destruction, God's promise not to destroy earth again. His sovereignty,the coming of christ,its significance. .
Gracious God!
See, Even in the farthest galaxy God has the glory,consistency for God is a none category.
One coolest thing is that even uponst all these you have done, if you eventually ask God for forgiveness his will forgive you. He is too merciful & gracious.
The calculation is 36,000ft below sea level about 7miles deep.
I don't use hell or eternal damnation as the basis of making people understand why they need to serve God. Rather, the fear of God because He is the creator of the universe and everything in it. God in His essence is infinite, transcendent,unlimited,exorbitant and omnipresent. There's not one sector or section that's left unaffected by his perfection.
Look, you can't fathom His understanding, we are like babies to him. His power can't be compared, even got exhaustive knowledge non can share..(not even you)
Believe me you were too shallow in your acclaimed service to in God.

And when I look at the lost ones with you..Sometimes I wish I could play God for a day, I will open up the gates let the world see my face, remove all doubts from the ones without the faith. But am just a man. God is not. His ways are not like ours. But you should see this;

|and then the Son of Man will appear in the sky,and all the nations of earth will mourn. They will see the son of man coming on the clouds of the sky,with power and great glory.- Matt 24;30
I know there are many forces that operate and manipulate the existence of the earth in present, but take it or live it- a time is coming when the Lord alone will be exalted!

And to you my fellow Christians, I can see many are very shaky in their defences. Therefore your voices tend to be on the raise and make them think you are agressive when you talk. But you not. Buttress your point with reference to the Word. When you are not armoured with the knowledge of the Word, you are vulnerable to be attacked in many ways. You have the Truth at your reach(the Word) but simply because you are ignorant of it(refused to study the Bible) the devil comes to tell you beautified lies as truth and since you ain't equipped with knowledge of the Truth yet you become prone to be easily manipulated. It ain't about church going and hypocritical fellowship attendance. Rather, personal communion with holy spirit, studying the Word to its depts and living the life of love and purpose. Make it about FAITH not Religion. The truth in what you believe in not the culture of indoctrination on how it is practised.

Finally,

Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter. Fear God and keep his Commandments for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgement,including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil. Eccl :12 13-14

Ayomivic:

that is the kind of live you want that made you reject christ.



Santanists are wiser than atheist. I know you will never tell them the trueth.

Why is it that Satanist always in support of Atheists even when they know that atheist does not believe in existence of God and Satan?

The answer is that. The satanist know that atheists are foolish beacause they are unknowngly serving Satan. Satanist kown this, but atheist can never agree for they are foolish.


Satanists are wiser than atheists.

Now, kindly examine what your astronomically superior "wisdom" has made you believed.

Ayomivic:

that is the kind of live you want that made you reject christ.



Santanists are wiser than atheist. I know you will never tell them the trueth.

Why is it that Satanist always in support of Atheists even when they know that atheist does not believe in existence of God and Satan?

The answer is that. The satanist know that atheists are foolish beacause they are unknowngly serving Satan. Satanist kown this, but atheist can never agree for they are foolish.


Satanists are wiser than atheists.

Now, kindly examine what your astronomically superior "wisdom" has made you believe

johnydon22:


Biko leave me jooor … Amebo

No need to tell me na . i know who she is. You called her mrs johnnydon22 in ur previous post

FAITH IS WHAT ATHEIST LACK.


READ THIS,


Just a fun cool little story I thought you all might enjoy and be encouraged by Einsteins use of logic to proof that God can exist, be Perfectly Loving, and there be evil in the world....
An atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand. 'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'
'Yes sir,' the student says.
'So you believe in God?'
'Absolutely. '
'Is God good?'
'Sure! God's good.'
'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'
'Yes'
'Are you good or evil?'
'The Bible says I'm evil.'
The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible! He considers for a moment. 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'
'Yes sir, I would.'
'So you're good...!'
'I wouldn't say that.'
'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'
The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Can you answer that one?'
The student remains silent. 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'
'Er..yes,' the student says.
'Is Satan good?'
The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'
'Then where does Satan come from?'
The student falters. 'From God'
'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?'
'Yes, sir..'
'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'
'Yes'
'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'
Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?'
The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'
'So who created them?'
The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. 'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?'
The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.'
The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'
'No sir. I've never seen Him.'
'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'
'No, sir, I have not..'
'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?'
'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'
'Yet you still believe in him?'
'Yes'
'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist... What do you say to that, son?'
'Nothing,' the student replies.. 'I only have my faith.'
'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence...only faith.'
The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat? '
'Yes.
'And is there such a thing as cold?'
'Yes, son, there's cold too.'
'No sir, there isn't.'
The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. 'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit d own to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, 'cold' is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.'
Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.
'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'
'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation.. 'What is night if it isn't darkness?'
'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'
The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'
'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'
The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. 'Flawed? Can you explain how?'
'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains.. 'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but it has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.'
'Now tell me, professor.. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?'
'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.'
'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'
The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.
'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'
The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided. 'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.' The student looks around the room. 'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into laughter. 'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.' 'So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'
Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. 'I guess you'll have to take them on faith.'
'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?' Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'
To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.'
The professor sat down.
PS: the student was Albert Einstein
Albert Einstein wrote a book titled God vs. Science in 1921...

http://joshuamarshman.theworldrace.org/?filename=interesting-read-albert-einsteins-proof-that-god-can-exist

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soulpeppersoup:



No we are not a product of information we are exposed to. We are a product of information we chose to put inside us by reading them. I saw this topic, I thought it was something of good interest but when I read the first thing the op wrote I just left reading to see comment after I saw that guys comment I tried to give him life secret and walk out because this kind thing is not the life I will like to replicate. I choose not to read what they op has to say.

Its a choice and you will be judge based on those choices

True, you still prove atheists right with this explanation, which is why it is said there's no child or baby that is a Christian or Muslim because parents have already made a decision for the babies who cannot decide for themselves which information they want to open their mind to, hence tagged brainwashing. Which is why everyone tags Boko haram victims of brainwashing, oblivious to the fact that what we hold to is also brain washing.

ExplicitContent:
As far as am concerned the OP is still very pointless,clueless and confused.. this basis for your Lost was conformed out of the desire to know everything.. and even as the bible has provided us with every knowledge we will seek of you never used it. You were in a haste to disagree with God. You claim to serve God and gave him your all and all but you were restricted to a single entity of worship. From the little questions and post you'v made I can see you are empty.
You never had knowledge. You were just doing works base on spirituality alone which is far from being the basis to ascertain a true Christian. Your doings were base on routine and obligations. Not by belief, love and submission.

You'd not read your Bible completely and for full understanding cause if you did you wouldn't be asking some childish questions am seeing on here. Who told you you saw it all? I laugh.
You were just about miracles,healing and spirituality which is very limited to a single entity of service. And does not in anyway uplift your purity,righteousness, knowledge,conformity and true relationship with the Holy spirit.

Okay look at you now.
You sitting on the fence about God's excellence and you not ashamed. How will you in your right senses now say there is no God. Do you know the source of the food you eat? What is water? Where does it pours out from. Why will one seize to exist if he stops breathing? What's behind the mystery of air in open. What is actually beneath the earth(ground) you have your legs on.
Have you travelled by air before? Do you see those heights?
Look at you!
|where were you when I layed the earth's foundation? Tell me if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know. Who stretch a measuring line across it. On what were the footings set? Or who laid the cornerstone - Job 38 :4-6
Your lost son.

|Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea or walked in the recesses of the deep? Have the gates of death been shown to you? Have you seen the gates of the shadow of death? Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth? Tell me if you know all this- Job 38 16-18.. oh lord.
OP, who endowed the heart with wisdom and gave understanding to the mind?
Who pours out rain? Who directs the way of the lightening bolts.
Can you raise your voice to the clouds and cover yourself with flood of water?
(excerpts from the book of Job)

Stupid kids who persist in foolishness you don't know it's only by God's power you exist(whether u believe in him or not) now you declare war on the lord when before you were born he form you in the uterus.
|who has a claim against me that I must pay?
Everything under heaven belongs to me - Job 41:11

You are condemning God to justify yourself?
Listen here, The perfections of God are not affected by human opinion. everything in the universe is under his control,his rule and dominion. If you like believe if like don't, you don't affect the existence of anything not even yourself. Can you create a leaf? Or an ant.
You claim you were close to God yet you sound too ignorant(indeed you are) to know basic/deep truths.. how could you ask such a clueless question as why God allow people to suffer in earth. In this Age. You forgot your genesis, the sin of Adam, the 1st destruction,2nd destruction, God's promise not to destroy earth again. His sovereignty,the coming of christ,its significance. .
Gracious God!
See, Even in the farthest galaxy God has the glory,consistency for God is a none category.
One coolest thing is that even uponst all these you have done, if you eventually ask God for forgiveness his will forgive you. He is too merciful & gracious.
The calculation is 36,000ft below sea level about 7miles deep.
I don't use hell or eternal damnation as the basis of making people understand why they need to serve God. Rather, the fear of God because He is the creator of the universe and everything in it. God in His essence is infinite, transcendent,unlimited,exorbitant and omnipresent. There's not one sector or section that's left unaffected by his perfection.
Look, you can't fathom His understanding, we are like babies to him. His power can't be compared, even got exhaustive knowledge non can share..(not even you)
Believe me you were too shallow in your acclaimed service to in God.

And when I look at the lost ones with you..Sometimes I wish I could play God for a day, I will open up the gates let the world see my face, remove all doubts from the ones without the faith. But am just a man. God is not. His ways are not like ours. But you should see this;

|and then the Son of Man will appear in the sky,and all the nations of earth will mourn. They will see the son of man coming on the clouds of the sky,with power and great glory.- Matt 24;30
I know there are many forces that operate and manipulate the existence of the earth in present, but take it or live it- a time is coming when the Lord alone will be exalted!

And to you my fellow Christians, I can see many are very shaky in their defences. Therefore your voices tend to be on the raise and make them think you are agressive when you talk. But you not. Buttress your point with reference to the Word. When you are not armoured with the knowledge of the Word, you are vulnerable to be attacked in many ways. You have the Truth at your reach(the Word) but simply because you are ignorant of it(refused to study the Bible) the devil comes to tell you beautified lies as truth and since you ain't equipped with knowledge of the Truth yet you become prone to be easily manipulated. It ain't about church going and hypocritical fellowship attendance. Rather, personal communion with holy spirit, studying the Word to its depts and living the life of love and purpose. Make it about FAITH not Religion. The truth in what you believe in not the culture of indoctrination on how it is practised.

Finally,

Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter. Fear God and keep his Commandments for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgement,including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil. Eccl :12 13-14

What is the purpose of this post. And which god are you talking about? Zeus? FSM?

All those that don't believe that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created all things will perish in boiling hot water.

Ayomikun37:
Now, kindly examine what your astronomically superior "wisdom" has made you believe

Just leave the guy who cant differentiate reality from fantasy

If you say God threw Job under the bus by allowing the devil test him then you are mistaken.
If you have a very brilliant child or a staff you say is of good character, won't you be proud of that child or staff. Won't you boost of that child to everyone? Surely someone will say it's because he is under your supervision that the child /staff is good and would request to test him.
That is exactly what happened God asked the Devil have your seen my son Job? Sure God must have pointed other people to Devil and God allowed devil to test them. However Job was referenced in the bible because he didn't fall, others must have fallen. Have you forgotten that to him who endure temptation and and prosecution shall be crowned with a crown of gold in the end.
If all these had happened before the time of Jesus they would have been struck down. Jesus came and gave us dispensation of grace, that's why you can abuse God and not have felt the wrath of God.
My prayer is that you return to God and be sober, for after the rapture every man left behind would shed his own blood during tribulation to be saved.

Ruq:


True, you still prove atheists right with this explanation, which is why it is said there's no child or baby that is a Christian or Muslim because parents have already made a decision for the babies who cannot decide for themselves which information they want to open their mind to, hence tagged brainwashing. Which is why everyone tags Boko haram victims of brainwashing, oblivious to the fact that we hold to is also brain washing.

Being born is different from making a choice. That you were born of poor parent is left for you to chose to keep their ideology and remain poor or go out to help yourself with the right information. However, our parent has a great part to play in the choice we make but the burden lies on us mostly to chose our paths.

There is nothing like brainwashing. If is not in you it cannot be in you and if its in you no one can take it out of you. They just replaced it with a new idea. I wish I have time to put up article on how man is made by information

kolinz:
FAITH IS WHAT ATHEIST LACK.

Yes because Faith is the excuse people give themselves to believe something that they absolutely have no reason to believe at all in the first place.

Faith is what it takes to believe something you ordinarily wouldn't have believed.

I'd rather base my confidence in reason, logic and empirical study other than blind faith because faith in essence is blind and dishonest.

it entails insertion of stoic conviction asserted without reason and needs to be protected against all reason.

none of us needs faith when something is clearly evidential, it is only when people want to substitute emotions for proof and fantasy for reality that they invoke faith.

If you only need faith to believe something then it's obvious you have no reason to believe it at all

I think I get what many here have been wanting the OP to get to.

They were waiting for some traumatic event in the story of the op that would explain his change of beliefs.

Armed with such a traumatic incident they can explain away his apostasy by saying that it's an emotional reaction.

As the op told the story though it seems that it was a slow process of rational evaluation. Very unsatisfying.


Very unsatisfying.

PastorAIO:
I think I get what many here have been wanting the OP to get to.

They were waiting for some traumatic event in the story of the op that would explain his change of beliefs.

Armed with such a traumatic incident they can explain away his apostasy by saying that it's an emotional reaction.

As the op told the story though it seems that it was a slow process of rational evaluation. Very unsatisfying.


Very unsatisfying.

They always want to imagine that it takes a traumatic event in the life of someone to make them change stance in religion and God(s).

but this is an ill conceived lie, the real cause is really curiosity …

stepping out of bound, a hunger to know more...

I always point out to people that atheists are not the ones crying in crusade grounds seeking favour from heaven when ever they say situations caused their change of stance.

it's outrightly ridiculous.

Like you pointed out they were actually expecting that part in the OP's story but it was a different case caused by a conflict of his personal reason with his beliefs.

it's rather disappointing indeed.

1 funny thing is that they are lots of proof of the bible, both scientific and historical.

johnydon22:


They always want to imagine that it takes a traumatic event in the life of someone to make them change stance in religion and God(s).

but this is an ill conceived lie, the real cause is really curiosity …

stepping out of bound, a hunger to know more...

I always point out to people that atheists are not the ones crying in crusade grounds seeking favour from heaven when ever they say situations caused their change of stance.

it's outrightly ridiculous.

Like you pointed out they were actually expecting that part in the OP's story but it was a different case caused by a conflict of his personal reason with his beliefs.

it's rather disappointing indeed.

The movie gods not dead reinforces this daft stereotype.


Meanwhile johnnydon22" when shall i be expecting my godchild"(in patience ozokwor voice ). Name him urahara.

Alfamann:


do you really worship satan? Yes
are you a nigerian? Officially
do you have shrines or temples located anywhere in nigeria? No
what does it entail for a person to become a satanist? https://www.nairaland.com/1472662/satan-ministry-how-commit-yourself
is being a satanist a fruitful pursuit? Yes

okay then.I will carry out more research on the issue.thank you for your response to my questions and the link you provided

urahara:


The movie gods not dead reinforces this daft stereotype.


Meanwhile johnnydon22" when shall i be expecting my godchild"(in patience ozokwor voice ). Name him urahara.

soon

Live like there's a God, if there isn't a God then you have nothing to lose, but if there is? you're safe!! its simple logic..

zzzzy:
1 funny thing is that they are lots of proof of the bible, both scientific and historical.

That one has the bible means nothing till the author explain it. Do you think is only christian that read bible? The so called athiest read it but it frustrates them because they can't understand it since they don't have the author in them who can explain it.

When a man constantly attack a thing know he envy those who has it. The truth is that he has been trying to get what they have but cannot. So he became aggressive against them thinking they are the reason for his short fall. Not knowing he has always been on the run track or non patient enough to learn what it takes.

jiggaz:
You can say whatever but you MR NEW ATHEIST is a liar. This story is fake. You were never a believer let alone a Pastor doing miracles ( who dash monkey bananna? ).

One thing i have noticed is dat you are an agent of darkness trying to pull some Christians who were not grounded in the word of God to your side. But u know what? You have failed!!!! Loool. We exposed u!!! Your old posts points to the fact where you said you were a Satanist!! Yet you came here to claim Ex Pastor, may God have mercy on you. I don't have a problem with you being a Satanist but why do u have to be deceptive about it? Claiming you were once a Pastor, so that you can deceive Christians that are not yet grounded in the word? You hide under the umbrella of an atheist but you are not even an atheist cos you believe in a Supernatural Being. You are not proud to be a Satanist? Why? loool. Of course you know why.

Next time you want to pull such fake stunts, remember that we have people who are very intelligent here and who analyses people even online!! loool. You can never fool me, am too smart for you!!! Whether you are an Atheist or a Satanist, it's your own cup of Zobo!! I don't care!!! Why you see me in this thread is because i don't want u to deceive some impressionable Christians here.

As for me, nothing anyone says can make me reject Christ because you know what? I am a New Creation, the very righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. As Christ is in heaven, so am i on earth. God is real and whether you believe him or not, He is the same today, yesterday and for ever more!!!

So MR NEW ATHEIST kontinue in your new found vocation but what i know is dat this your story is a lie from the pit of hell!!! Lmaoo.... You were never a believer or a Pastor. You cannot even mention your name which shows You are a LIAR!!! So MR LIE-NUS, have a nice night, i don't buy your story, try another stunt.

it's your type to make people turn atheists..so much anger, ur outburst is not helping. It rly matched the atheist God concept of "I love u, love me back or I set u on fire, but u ve freewill"

yungchop:
Live like there's a God, if there isn't a God then you have nothing to lose, but if there is? you're safe!! its simple logic..

Please sir tell us what you mean by that bolded phrase?