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Investigation Of Hardmirror's Claims In "Pastor To Atheist" Threads / Part 3: Pastor To Atheist: Ask Me Any Question I Will Answer If Safe For Me / PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again (2) (3) (4)
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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by wirinet(m): 12:15pm On May 02, 2016 |
Millex: Please read what you wrote slowly, and see whether it makes any sense. God does not need human verification to be real but he goes into fits and rage at those that fails to verify him as real. God does not need human verification, but he permit Devil to test job to see if job can remain loyal in face of adversaries. In fact the whole of the bible is all about the obsession of God for human verification. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by swaggzo(m): 12:18pm On May 02, 2016 |
johnydon22: MY MAN CATHOLICS SAY THEIR SUPREME MASTER THE POPE, IS WITHOUT SIN. EVERYTHING HE SAYS IS PERFECT BECAUSE GOD CHOSE HIM TO BE POPE. TILL DATE I WONDER WHY THE LAST ONE RESIGNED.. . GOD CHOSE THE WRONG PERSON? ? THAT MEANS EVEN GOD CAN MAKE MISTAKES? THAT MEANS HE'S ALSO NOT PERFECT AND CAN END UP LIKE OTHER INPERFECT PEOPLE, IN HELL? |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by rawgame(m): 12:23pm On May 02, 2016 |
HardMirror:The blind man was not healed because your faith was smaller than the mustard seed. Instead of growing your faith you drew back. Heb. 10:38'now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him' |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Ranchhoddas: 12:24pm On May 02, 2016 |
Millex:Look at your signature.You are wasting your mind. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by kolinz(m): 12:24pm On May 02, 2016 |
johnydon22: That was an assertion on my part, I was waiting for you to clear me on the issue of the origin of the universe and man the atheist way. U have carefully avoided that part and want to dwell on my assertion. Well, the universe according to science is over a billion year old, is it safe to say that man is also billions of years? |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by swaggzo(m): 12:27pm On May 02, 2016 |
johnydon22: I SPOTTED ONE OF HIS FULISH THREADS ABOUT TITHES. .. I HOPE IT MAKES FP. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by swaggzo(m): 12:29pm On May 02, 2016 |
kolinz: NO. ACCORDING TO SCIENCE, DRAGONS, DINOS, AND OTHER TERRIBLE CREATURES INHERITED THE EARTH FOR MOST OF THAT TIME. 2 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Ranchhoddas: 12:32pm On May 02, 2016 |
soulpeppersoup:Even if that information is untrue? I want to 'resemble' Harry Potter so I should only Harry Potter when I know he is not real.Is that what you are saying? |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by DrDxtrz: 12:33pm On May 02, 2016 |
Until I joined this forum, I never had a reason to question my belief religion-wise. I grew up in a society where it's never an issue, some go to church, some don't, it's based on choice. I never fancied it, my big sister goes to church, so does my ma, me padre and most of my uncles, my other siblings just take each day as it comes, you work hard, get your results, you get lucky.. then you get lucky, it's never credited to some rather phantom supreme being. Even believers really don't give credit to the Christian god, my ma never attributed luck to a god. It's just laughable really, am sorry I just laughed, since I moved to nigeria, I just laugh when I see how serious most people take religion, the vigils, and many other time wasting routines on weekdays and weekends, yet the continent remain pretty underdeveloped, and poverty is rampant. Les manos have your own traditional religions still, yet abandoned it for some shipped over middle eastern god, Africans are really insecure tbt, and always seek approvals from the west, it's pathetic. Les estan demasiado loco 7 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by wirinet(m): 12:34pm On May 02, 2016 |
kolinz:It is safe to say you are wrong. According to evolutionary biology, modern man is roughly 150,0000 years old. This is even besides the point. In reality no one really knows and can know the origin of the universe, science only try to make an educated guess based on available evidence. In the meantime, one thing is certain, the universe was not created by white bearded Jewish old man, using Jewish words (which we were told was actually his son). There is no shred of evidence to support this hypothesis. 2 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Ranchhoddas: 12:35pm On May 02, 2016 |
Danyl:Linus..name the scientist. 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Davidovinci(m): 12:36pm On May 02, 2016 |
I'm not religious but one thing i know for certain is that "GOD IS REAL" Deny him at ur own perile(Mathew 10:33) Y'all should know Salvation is a personal thing..... No time to debate,argue or even quarrel. Believe what you want, but "On that day" We go know how far!... If you've read the book of revelations and you still have no idea what's happening to this world (plus OP's post)....OYO! I'M A CHRISTIAN AND I'M PROUD! Peace-out! 13 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Millex(m): 12:38pm On May 02, 2016 |
wirinet:I read it and it makes sense I repeat God doesn't need man's verification to be real. Luke 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out. It's just that it's hurts God that man who he created in his own image allow themselves to be used by devil to hurt Him. Genesis 6:5-7 : and God saw the wickedness of man was great in the earth and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth and it grieved him at his heart. And the Lord said I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth both man and the breath and the creeping thing and the fowls of the air for it repented me that I have made them. But God is merciful. But Noah found grace in the of the Lord. Genesis 6:8 And God wasn't just sitting around chilling with devil. Job 1:6 : Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord and Satan came among them. The same way where the people of God gather in his name agents of devil, the tares would come to pollute. But God said he would prune the herd, cut out the wheat from the tares. The promise of God to every believer is that when the mortal toil is over, we would go home to Heaven where we who have endured, have be tried and tested by fire would go to dwell in eternity. The kindom of Heaven is too holy to accommodate evil. Call me delusional thinking there is the holy kingdom waiting for me in Heaven, thank you I have hope for my end. What is your hope? That you just cease to exist? Or u would be reincarnated? Well Jesus is standing at the door of your heart knocking, hoping that you open, open today experience everlasting life. John 3:17: For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved. 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by CoolUsername: 12:38pm On May 02, 2016 |
opeaceo: that'sthejoke.jpg 2 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by kolinz(m): 12:40pm On May 02, 2016 |
swaggzo: Don't tell me another that one day something else is going to evolve from humans, that would be ridiculous because Christians are already in the last days. Anyway, human mind is dynamic in nature and capable of undergoing transition both in faith, believe and whatever. Do what works for you now till it no longer works. I am not about coercing anyone into anything but if I should, I would say just like Pascal it is safe to remain a believer because it doesn't cost a dime |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Weah96: 12:42pm On May 02, 2016 |
promise101: Smiling, crying, shitt.ing, who cares? Do you see what we do to the dead? We put them in the soil with the worms. 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Ranchhoddas: 12:48pm On May 02, 2016 |
You are a total m0ron.If you had paid any attention in biology class.You would have known the answers to these infantile questions you are asking.[quote author=ExplicitContent post=45238933]As far as am concerned the OP is still very pointless,clueless and confused.. this basis for your Lost was conformed out of the desire to know everything.. and even as the bible has provided us with every knowledge we will seek of you never used it. You were in a haste to disagree with God. You claim to serve God and gave him your all and all but you were restricted to a single entity of worship. From the little questions and post you'v made I can see you are empty. You never had knowledge. You were just doing works base on spirituality alone which is far from being the basis to ascertain a true Christian. Your doings were base on routine and obligations. Not by belief, love and submission. You'd not read your Bible completely and for full understanding cause if you did you wouldn't be asking some childish questions am seeing on here. Who told you you saw it all? I laugh. You were just about miracles,healing and spirituality which is very limited to a single entity of service. And does not in anyway uplift your purity,righteousness, knowledge,conformity and true relationship with the Holy spirit. Okay look at you now. You sitting on the fence about God's excellence and you not ashamed. How will you in your right senses now say there is no God. Do you know the source of the food you eat? What is water? Where does it pours out from. Why will one seize to exist if he stops breathing? What's behind the mystery of air in open. What is actually beneath the earth(ground) you have your legs on. Have you travelled by air before? Do you see those heights? Look at you! |where were you when I layed the earth's foundation? Tell me if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know. Who stretch a measuring line across it. On what were the footings set? Or who laid the cornerstone - Job 38 :4-6 Your lost son. |Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea or walked in the recesses of the deep? Have the gates of death been shown to you? Have you seen the gates of the shadow of death? Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth? Tell me if you know all this- Job 38 16-18.. oh lord. OP, who endowed the heart with wisdom and gave understanding to the mind? Who pours out rain? Who directs the way of the lightening bolts. Can you raise your voice to the clouds and cover yourself with flood of water? (excerpts from the book of Job) Stupid kids who persist in foolishness you don't know it's only by God's power you exist(whether u believe in him or not) now you declare war on the lord when before you were born he form you in the uterus. |who has a claim against me that I must pay? Everything under heaven belongs to me - Job 41:11 You are condemning God to justify yourself? Listen here, The perfections of God are not affected by human opinion. everything in the universe is under his control,his rule and dominion. If you like believe if like don't, you don't affect the existence of anything not even yourself. Can you create a leaf? Or an ant. You claim you were close to God yet you sound too ignorant(indeed you are) to know basic/deep truths.. how could you ask such a clueless question as why God allow people to suffer in earth. In this Age. You forgot your genesis, the sin of Adam, the 1st destruction,2nd destruction, God's promise not to destroy earth again. His sovereignty,the coming of christ,its significance. . Gracious God! See, Even in the farthest galaxy God has the glory,consistency for God is a none category. One coolest thing is that even uponst all these you have done, if you eventually ask God for forgiveness his will forgive you. He is too merciful & gracious. The calculation is 36,000ft below sea level about 7miles deep. I don't use hell or eternal damnation as the basis of making people understand why they need to serve God. Rather, the fear of God because He is the creator of the universe and everything in it. God in His essence is infinite, transcendent,unlimited,exorbitant and omnipresent. There's not one sector or section that's left unaffected by his perfection. Look, you can't fathom His understanding, we are like babies to him. His power can't be compared, even got exhaustive knowledge non can share..(not even you) Believe me you were too shallow in your acclaimed service to in God. And when I look at the lost ones with you..Sometimes I wish I could play God for a day, I will open up the gates let the world see my face, remove all doubts from the ones |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Nobody: 12:48pm On May 02, 2016 |
nelsonoba: You're such a retärđ |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by JustCurious: 12:53pm On May 02, 2016 |
Guard your heart with ALL diligence. Guard your heart with ALL diligence. Let him that thinks he stands, take heed lest he falls #These scripture verses keep popping up on my mind. I am reading this thread, no more. Signs out of here!! 2 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by nynbrada: 12:55pm On May 02, 2016 |
HardMirror: Good! I have read your story from the very first page up to this page 17, and i've been itching to quote you so as to expose many of the self contraditory claims that your story is riddled with. To begin with, can you kindly explain what you mean @ the bolded, that your colleagues with you at the outreach for the first time in their Christian experience were laying hands on the sick and casting out demons. So what sickness/ailment were the locals actually healed from. That now made your colleagues to be fully convinced of the supernatural, which absurdly and regrettable you are now discountenancing. Again i beg of you to kindly intimate us with the particular sickness or ailment that the locals were healed of. 'Cos this claims of the miraculious seems to have become a recurrent theme in this your epistle. And it beggars the question of how someone who claims that miracles are real and have had a personal on-hand experience of such to now turn around and claim he does not believe in God who happens to be a supernatural phenonena. So it is either your claims of your colleague laying hands on the sick and getting them healed is true and this automatically disproves your claim that God doesn't exist or that the spiritual/supernatural realm does not exist as these dumb Atheistard would have themselves believe. Lets create a hypothetical scenario to get my point clearer. So lets assume that one of the locals was healed of a tumor or paralysis, now, what natural rational can yu posit that made this healing possible since you are now claiming that God does not exist. Can this very healing phenomenum be attributed to a mere layiny on of hands by ur colleagues, acting under your instructions? If "Yes", what natural/scientific rational can you use to explain it and if "No" why are you now denying the God/supernatural factor. And at the other side of the coins it is either your cliams of your colleagues healing the sick is false. And embarrasingly, this makes yu an impostor as far as being a high flying Christian you are claiming to be is concerned. Actaully i know the level you are operating from spiritually but in your pride, yu now think you know it all, seen it all and the infallible Hardmirror knows better than God his creator, he once had a father n son relationship with but now nay G(g)od doesn't exist. Archetypal"BRANHAM" of our age. So much mono-spiritual gifting{word of knowledge] with little grounding on d word of God and understanding in the dynamics n fundamentals of faith. Young man stop allowing the devil to be using ur head and spirit to be playing Champions League football. A word is enough for the wise. I asked the other ASF members I was with to start praying for people laying hands on them. And the whole place exploded. Oga Atheist Biko, what do yu mean by receiving the Holy Ghost with evidence of speaking in tongue. Because the last i checked G(g)od doesn't exist and consequently any claim for spiritual/supernatural phenomenom is false and hoax. So pls, what natural/scientific rational do yu have to explain this "receiving of the Holy Ghost with evidece of speaking in tongue" your ASF members received, since G(g)od doesn't exist n there is nothing like spiritual/supernatural phenomenom, or else these claims of yours are false and like i said before, that simply makes you an impostor/charlatan. Ewu! It was spectacular. It was like being in the Shangrila of the Holy Spirit. Bla....bla...bla....bla...Holy Spirit doesn't exist, so all your Shangrila are hoax. Mbok! I will try n see if i can make out time and expose many of ur lies. 2 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by wirinet(m): 12:56pm On May 02, 2016 |
kolinz:No. Humans would never evolve into something else in the one day , it will take tens of millennia according to environmental and ecological changes. Evolution is a gradual process of allowing living things to adapt to changing climatic and ecological conditions. Without evolution, all living creatures on this planet would have been extinct by now. Your pascal wager cost you more than a dime. First it will cost you millions if not tens if millions of naira in the guise of tithes and offerings, but it will cost you much more in time wasted. Time you should have used to add value to yourself and the world in general, you are wasting in church services, fellowships, night vigils, Etc. For example, the op is obviously a very brilliant and gifted fellow, imagine what he would have achieved for himself and his society had he used the energy and efforts he used for Christian activities for more productive activities? 7 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Nobody: 1:00pm On May 02, 2016 |
Ganjafama: I'll recommend he reads the Codex Gigas, the Devils Bible as we know it. 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by johnydon22(m): 1:02pm On May 02, 2016 |
neoapocalypse: they are all the same bullshiit.. regurgitating the same myth and crap all over and over |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Nobody: 1:02pm On May 02, 2016 |
danny56:Is God going to enforce his will on man in heaven, or is he going to give them free will? 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by matrix199(m): 1:04pm On May 02, 2016 |
Are we still on this matter? I thought this argument would have stopped by now. It's a stalemate. The christians won't budge, neither would the deep thinkers. If the "Cs" think they're on the right track, when they die, they'll find out if they are or not. If the "As" think they're on the right track, they'll find out as well. 2 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by johnydon22(m): 1:07pm On May 02, 2016 |
wirinet: He invoked Pascal wager to show that religious beliefs are really driven by uncertainty, he is unsure that is why he would rather opt for a gamble like the pascl wager. And affirms religious beliefs are fueled by fear and that fear drives their faith. . He is afraid of what a God might do to him in case it turns out to be real and is belief monger and childishly vain. So that fear drives his belief and faith. I think Myths, fantasies and religions are like a drug.. People would rather take the easy religious pill of gullible faith and believe things that will make them feel all good warm and cozzy in a world of unparalleled delusion. Rather than brace up, shed off these myths and see the world as it really is whether it feels good or not.. We should all judge our progress by courage of our questions and the depth of our answers and our sincerity to agree with what is true rather than believe what we want because it feels good. 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by HardMirror(m): 1:08pm On May 02, 2016 |
PastorAIO: [size=32pt] EXACTLY![/size] Some are here scurrying for errors to pick from my profile, my posts. They are desperately looking for anything to discredit this thread. After all done and nothing tangible to hold on to, the begin to define me. If the story had been "Oh I hate god, he allowed my mother to die, I won't serve him again." They would have believed. It is just so impossible for them to wrap their heads on the fact that a fruitful, grounded christian can end up ditching the bible. Abeg I no fit shout jare 7 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by urahara(m): 1:08pm On May 02, 2016 |
kolinz: Because u dont beliv in fairies and the celestial teapot doesnt mean they dont exist 2 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by johnydon22(m): 1:11pm On May 02, 2016 |
Ayomikun37: they always forget this question when swimming in the fantasy of an eternal blissful paradise. will freewill be taken away from man? then man's existence in Paradise will be nothing more than a zombie-like existence just like a robot gallivanting up and down in an infinite repetition forever... who in the world wants to live like that? Will man also have freewill in heaven? then the same problem will occur all over again as an exercise of freewill. and we are back again to the same show all over again.. 5 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by urahara(m): 1:11pm On May 02, 2016 |
kolinz: In ur dreams probably. The homosapiens appeared on the scene only about 150000years ago 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by CoolUsername: 1:12pm On May 02, 2016 |
johnydon22: I'm so jelly right now! 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by kolinz(m): 1:13pm On May 02, 2016 |
wirinet: It is really not easy to serve God I must admit thats why his Grace is important in his service. I am not saying that I am too religious but there are some events that can happen in a man's life, he simply cannot say there is no God. I believe there is time for everything, nobody expects me to spend the whole of the day in church when there are things to be done. About giving, it's not peculiar to Christians because life places the burden to give on us. If you don't give willingly someone can come begging so we can't run away from giving. |
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