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Investigation Of Hardmirror's Claims In "Pastor To Atheist" Threads / Part 3: Pastor To Atheist: Ask Me Any Question I Will Answer If Safe For Me / PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again (2) (3) (4)
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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by urahara(m): 2:04pm On May 02, 2016 |
johnydon22: Ok . uncle johnny ![]() ![]() |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by johnydon22(m): 2:04pm On May 02, 2016 |
urahara: I am considering writing one of those soon ... lol.. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by johnydon22(m): 2:05pm On May 02, 2016 |
HardMirror: Hahahahaha eheee better!!! |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by HardMirror(m): 2:05pm On May 02, 2016 |
urahara:Kikikikiki I laughed so hard, tears streaming down my eyes 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by johnydon22(m): 2:05pm On May 02, 2016 |
freecocoa: Very serious tales by the moonlight 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Nobody: 2:16pm On May 02, 2016 |
JustCurious:Change your moniker. It doesn't suit you. 6 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by absoluteSuccess: 2:18pm On May 02, 2016 |
johnydon22: OK I got that. We humans are the measure of the universe, get it. I believe your premise is from the look of things as with "human race". If the creator is of the same descriptions as humans, as regards to race, then he is the godfather of gods. As long as you ascribe to "race", then your present argument favors one or more race for gods. If human beings is a race, god being are also god race, their number increases like our numbers. This makes gods extraterrestrial intelligences that exist in the space, a different species of "man kind" (intelligent life) in other planet(s). I'm trying to map your concept of gods to establish a framework of discourse. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by ExplicitContent: 2:20pm On May 02, 2016 |
Davidovinci: Stay repping Bro. Christ in my chest like the S sign. To my fellow Christians on here, i'd advice you un follow the thread or even stop commenting/arguing. It's needless. Because Everything the OP is doing on here is plugged. You don't need to raise the roof to convince nobody. Why? "Do not speak to fools the scorn the words of your wisdom" 8 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by johnydon22(m): 2:23pm On May 02, 2016 |
absoluteSuccess: Let me just simplify the premise for you. Since you think there can exist 1 creator to cause the universe, since there can be such a being and not nothing at all since the odd rests on a 50/50 chance. Then how are you to think that if there can be 1 of such there cannot be 100,000,000 of them all as uncaused as the one you assumed for the universe and all unanimous in the causality of the universe. Do you think 1 makes less of an assumption than 1000? if there can be 1 then there can be 10000000 of them.. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by chubbyswit(m): 2:28pm On May 02, 2016 |
Lolz c them frustrated atheists calling me chidish, illiterate, daft, etc. All it'll take God is just a flip of his thumbs and you guys'll seize to exist, then maybe ur spirit man'll get to see all the answers you seek, but the worst part of it is, you'll regret your decisions for eternity. Choice has been given 2 everybody, use it wisely |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by zzzzy: 2:29pm On May 02, 2016 |
johnydon22:what percentage of info on the universe do you think mankind have? |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by johnydon22(m): 2:30pm On May 02, 2016 |
zzzzy: what has that got to do with my question or what i am discussing exactly? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by zzzzy: 2:33pm On May 02, 2016 |
johnydon22:just wanted to mention you. That was the closest post. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Alokendra(m): 2:33pm On May 02, 2016 |
HardMirror:This was the genesis of my transition to agnosticism. It is very difficult to be a humanist and still remain a christian. I remember when I was in the university, I was very passionate about helping people. In the course of denying myself of many stuffs while helping people, I lost my laptop. My laptop was stolen because I took a 5 mins nap. I was so tired because I sacrificed my entire day to help some students know a difficult topic better. After my laptop was stolen, it was as of my life wanted to crumble. I had so many stuffs in there. My final year project was in there. 98% of my life's work was in there. I was devastated. I became furious, and rage was burning in me. I wanted revenge and I was ready to sell my soul to anything just to have my revenge. I have always heard from friends that Ilara mokin is notorious for voodoo. I went there and met with all manners of people who were d ready to help me take the soul of the culprit. I later met with an old man and he gave me substance that I should wake up in the midnight and recite some stuffs that within three days I'd see the blood of that person. That was where I started becoming uncomfortable. I didn't see myself taking the life of another. I couldn't stomach it. I'm the kind of person that I will never hurt a fly. The humanist side of me overwhelmed me and I told the baba that I can't . That I do not want anything to happen to the person again. I paid him and left. It was a very painful experience. My point is - if a mere mortal like me cannot stomach the thought of hurting someone or taking someone else's life, how much a 'loving father' that has been painted as the most loving and the best thing that has ever happen to mankind. How could such a person now chose to roast people in hell for not believing in him and for a meagre offence. This is the height of barbarism. How could a person be so blood thirsty. And it's not as if he will burn them for a short time. He will burn them forever. Haba! Even if I make even, I'll never be comfortable that some people are actually burning. God and I will have to slug it out 18 Likes 6 Shares |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by johnydon22(m): 2:34pm On May 02, 2016 |
zzzzy: Alright you just and i know we do know up to 5% of what is to know about this vast deep and weird cosmos.. Anything else sir? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by zzzzy: 2:36pm On May 02, 2016 |
johnydon22:what percentage do you know yourself? |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by JustCurious: 2:36pm On May 02, 2016 |
Pyrrho:hahaha. I thought of that too (my moniker). Well, curiosity brought me here! But, I'm not curious anymore. I could see the end of this thread from the beginning, Moreso, I must obey my 'inner being' which says, FLEE. Basically, not all knowledge are helpful. :p 2 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by johnydon22(m): 2:38pm On May 02, 2016 |
zzzzy: If you have anything to say just go right ahead and bring it out cus i am sure there is no known statistic to what i personally know about the cosmos. Let me hope this won't be another appeal to ignorance argument. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Nobody: 2:41pm On May 02, 2016 |
JustCurious:No qualms. But I'm sure you'll come around if you considered yourself "curious" when you chose that moniker for yourself. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by urahara(m): 2:42pm On May 02, 2016 |
johnydon22: It ll go like this ........................... Johnny since u have admitted u dont know everything about the universe , doesnt that prove that there is a jewish god who hates gays and loves the smell of meat. 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by BecaciaBarbie(f): 2:49pm On May 02, 2016 |
Hahahaha funny thread! Your opinion tho....God is so real, He exists and answers prayers!!!!!! God has done so much for me, made the impossible possible and He has really proven Himself in my life so many times....in fact everyday!!!! I'd be a fool to think He doesn't exists. I loooooove You soooooooo much Baba God! Keep doing Your Great works!!!! 7 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by johnydon22(m): 2:50pm On May 02, 2016 |
urahara: I am used to that argument "if you don't know this then God did it" that is a sad appeal to ignorance using "God" not as an answer but as a placeholder for ignorance. Once that problem is solved God shatters from the equation and moves on to the next curtain of ignorance. I have always told them: Gods may exist or not, we do not know but they are not needed to explain the cosmos or other random natural manifeststions If you cannot find some other places to place your God(s) except behind the curtain of scientific ignorance then just as history as proven "God" will always remain an ever receding factor in the face of scientific breakthrough. Once upon a time humanity thought hurricanes was because God(neptune) was pissed off, we now know the cause of hurricanes and the appeal to ignorance and employment of God of the gap argument never works brother 8 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Nobody: 2:51pm On May 02, 2016 |
swaggzo: Perhaps! At least, he created it, he shld also have a taste of his own medicine |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by HardMirror(m): 2:52pm On May 02, 2016 |
Alokendra:As in... The irony of it |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Nobody: 2:53pm On May 02, 2016 |
There so many "door-holes" through the walls of religious-teachings that combines, or sparks a man's consciousness to the idea atheism. For the muslims... The biography of Mohammed is good enough. (Hadith and Quran) For the Christians... *star from Adam and Eve *Cain and Abel *Metuselah *Noah and his Ark... *Pharoah... *The entire journey of Israelites... *Sodom and Gomorah... *King Ahab *David *Uzah *Joshua and the "standing sun"... *Satan and God *The compilation of the Bible *Other religious beliefs, Zeus, Dyaus, Odin, If you aren't curious enough you can't find the loopholes. If you deceive yourself at that, no objectivity. 3 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by zzzzy: 2:53pm On May 02, 2016 |
johnydon22:what I'm trying to say is that we do not have enough information to rule out the existence of God. We haven't even found out enough information about oyr own earth. Recently, i read an article about blackholes eating stars more than physics would allow. I actually took that as how we think physics will allow. We are lacking much info |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by urahara(m): 2:56pm On May 02, 2016 |
johnydon22: #the gaps are getting smaller everyday ![]() |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by urahara(m): 2:58pm On May 02, 2016 |
BecaciaBarbie: If god is so real, you wouldnt have to tell us 7 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by johnydon22(m): 3:00pm On May 02, 2016 |
zzzzy: Exactly! Neither is our lack of information necessary to invoke a God in the equation... That we don't know doesn't mean a deity did it, it simply means We don't know So let us be sincere and accept we don't know than invoke primitive superstitions to fill a gap left by ignorance going exactly the same road the ancient men went. we are far better than that.. We are lacking much info yes it is true and this calls for more study, observation and scrutiny. not an avenue to simply assume up a god and fill the gap marring our ability to probe and know what actually happened. Like i told urahara above Gods may exist or not, we do not know but they are not needed to explain the cosmos or other random natural manifestations. If you cannot find some other places to place your God(s) except behind the curtain of scientific ignorance then just as history has proven "God" will always remain an ever receding factor in the face of scientific breakthrough. Once upon a time humanity thought hurricanes was because God(neptune) was pissed off, we now know the cause of hurricanes and God (neptune) has been canceled from that equation. Lack of information is a call for study not for assumption!!! 7 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by johnydon22(m): 3:03pm On May 02, 2016 |
urahara: Only a man made God need man to make itself known to man. . . . All religions boast of the WORD OF GOD(s) but always notice that humans are the ones doing the talking and the writings for it. 8 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by urahara(m): 3:03pm On May 02, 2016 |
zzzzy: Nobody is ruling out the existence of god thatz the point in being an agnostic atheist. Science in a short span of time as done a lot in find in out about the world around us and the universe. We are lacking info is we are lacking info which work is done to discover presently. The god of the gaps argument is a very weak argument for every thing which has been attributed to a god (lightening, earthquakes and hurricanes , etc) is now been attributed to nature . |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Nobody: 3:04pm On May 02, 2016 |
rawgame: Have you ever seen a mustard seed?! Do yu knw how small it is?! Guess not! So far yu believe yu can pray for someone to get healed, yu already have a faith thousands times bigger than mustard seed. What hapns next in yur mind doesn't matter |
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