wordcat:


Lol Good you know. Muslims are the worst people to argue with in any issue that has to do with religion

Yeah but we could organize seminars for discussions for irreligious folks .. Atheists, agnostics, pantheists, deists and what have you.

johnydon22:


Yeah but we could organize seminars for discussions for irreligious folks .. Atheists, agnostics, pantheists, deists and what have you.

Not a bad idea but involving muslims is a no no no.

Religion is all about phsychology, theres this guy in my area, we are friends, buh he hates me, he very religious, i seldom go to church.. Most times these days, i only go to church to show off my new clothes, shoes etc.

I was arguing with the guy about the church one day.. I told him pastors should have other jobs apart from pastoring.. I even made reference to Jesus disciples that they had other sources of income.. He told me that the word of God is their work, i just laughed at him... The guy got angry and hit me with his pen.. I

i belive in the Existence of a supreme being, but he is very different from what they are saying he is in churches,..

Religious people are violent, they will go to any point to prove the superiority of Their own version of God..

I dont pray again, i talk to God..

Atheists are smart people sha.. But Nigeria is a primative jungle,

wordcat:


Not a bad idea but involving muslims is a no no no.

Lets leave out Muslims and Christians and other organized religions out of it for now...

Just organize our talk show among ourselves and discuss

djdoxxx:
Seems you see all nairalanders dying on a deathbed!!! Please, prophet, will I also die on a deathbed or by air cos the way I fly these days, been scared I would one day have a plane crash.

The dude needs a checkup from the neck up.

johnydon22:


Lets leave out Muslims and Christians and other organized religions out of it for now...

Just organize our talk show among ourselves and discuss

Location matters, most atheists here on nairaland are in Lagos

wordcat:

Location matters, most atheists here on nairaland are in Lagos

we'll put that into consideration, Lag will be a good place though

wirinet:


The parts i bolded are the secrets of the so called men of gods. They use all kinds of methods to make their believers submit their will to them, then they set about fleecing them of their possessions and money and sometimes their bodies (the ladies).

The fact that you understand the methods of mind control and you did not exploit it to become a "man of god" shows you are a man of integrity and conscience. You could have easily set up your own ministry and have thousands worship you with tithes and offerings and then live extravagant lifestyle.

This your thread is a service to humanity, it will open many people's eyes and free them from the shackles of the control of hypnotists disguising as men of gods.

Lol,he can't do the miraculous for long. There's a price for spiritual power, whether godly or not.

johnydon22:

we'll put that into consideration, Lag will be a good place though

I suggest u open a thread to get others view about it.

wordcat:

I suggest u open a thread to get others view about it.

I will in time

HardMirror:
Remember this is a true life story, everything I say here is the absolute truth, only thing I have not revealed is my name, because I am still a legend in Anglican student fellowship till date, not just in futa but the whole state as I once held a state executive position.

I got to the room where she was (the president's room) there were 3 people praying for this sister. She was wringling on the floor like worm with salt poured on it. The prayer warriors were sweating and visibly tired. I got there sat down and bent over to hold her hands. Immediately I held her hand, she started screaming, but was still crying. She was behaving like someone with the spirit of pyton in her.
I started speaking in tongues. For about 30mins she was still wringling.
I shock her up, asked everybody to stop praying.
I commanded her to stop and open her eyes.
She obeyed. I asked her to seat on the other chair in the room. I could see surprise in her eyes. I repeated my instruction and she obey.
I told her whoever the spirit sets free is free indeed and God has told me she was free. That no matter what she tot, she is already free. I asked everyone to start praising God.

Now this case was peculiar. Why? I learnt something key that day. Once a human sees you as superhuman, they believe anything you tell them and people can be overwhelmed by the presences or words of people they think are directly linked with God.
If I kept praying she would have kept twisting on the floor. But I commanded the nonesense to stop and it stopped. This is not very far from how hypnotism works.
Your subject has to be highly impressionable.
This is most likely what TB joshua knows. Once you see him as an ordinary human, his words won't have any effect on you. But the moment you buy into the whole facade and open your mind to be impressionable, you will end up responding to everything such a man says and end up misbehaving

Interesting point and interesting persona i must say.Though not 100% true. There are real miracles and deliverances where you don't even know or are impressed by anybody.
Your posts have touched on some other issues I'll like to comment on.

Affluentkess:
op i have being reading your thread from the very first page eventhough i had to skip some,like being clearly stated deep thinker are astute.
Imagine the world believe there is no God, would this make this world a better place? coz mans natural ways is wicked even with advanced in knowledge couple with the facts that he die and that is end ......Even with the constitutional Law,a dead man cant pay for his crimes commited.

There would have been rapid technological advancement... Humans have free will to be good or bad. The society however would have provided laws to ensure that people behave responsibly, so the impact of religion on societal order is over emphasized...... A "religiousless" world would be a beautiful one.

HardMirror:

Abeg, park well. This is one of the strengths of religion, Speaking with authority and absolute certainty. It works. But you have no idea who you are talking to.
Even hardened criminals get swayed by this tactics.
I once visited Olokuta Prison in Akure and I realized that men are week. I have never seen men so humbled. They praised God better than any church I have ever visited.
Humans are searching for answers to life and when they come across a person with so much confidence and speaks with authority claiming answers from God who created heaven and earth. Who is all powerful and has a wrath greater than anything anyone can imagine, it is only natural to tremble and succumb.

So park well with your useless pity and threats

Maybe you should try the same message using another god and another name,then observe if it produces the same effect and transformation. The power that cleanses sin and turns vile offenders into life saints is greater than psychology.

cocktopuss:


There would have been rapid technological advancement... Humans have free will to be good or bad. The society however would have provided laws to ensure that people behave responsibly, so the impact of religion on societal order is over emphasized...... A "religiousless" world would be a beautiful one.

Like the Communists and the barbarians.

johnydon22:

I will in time

Till then bro. Good 9t

THEY CANT REASON O

HardMirror:
CONTINUATION...
CURIORITY and DARING TO QUESTION GOD

The christian God is regarded as a FATHER NOT a SLAVE MASTER.
I took God as my father. I discuss anything and everything with him. He was a friend I loved so much. We had a one on one relationship.
This meant I could ask God any question
I am a practical person, I don't just hear the word, I do the word.
People in the bible had chats with God and He is my father and friend so why should I not ask God questions and why should he not answer?
So ask God sincere questions

1. My Number one problem: We are to preach to all nations and make sure people don't perish
I and many christians I know were trying our absolute best to depopulate hell as fast as possible. To make sure people don't just hear the word BUT they actually get saved.
Someone asked why I pray for at least 12hours. It was because of the burden I carried. The burden of soul winning. It was terrifying that many were going to end up in hell and burn forever! if you are a christian and you believe people will end up in hell and you don't preach and try to win souls everyday YOU ARE WORSE THAN BOKO HARAM. FACT!
How can you have peace of mind and sleep at night knowing you hold the secret to eternal life in your hands and you are comfortable? How dear you buy luxuries when you can put that money into soul winning? How can you be asking God for more money, when you should pick up your bag and preach. How can you be asking God to pick up your call so you too can drive Range Rover?
It started becoming apparent that even God was a wicked God. Why?

-so he is all loving, loves humanity more than any man could ever love another man. More than an earthly father would love his son. YET God would let people perish in hell for even telling a lie no matter why you tell the lie or how small it is?


- so the best a God can do is to send humans to preach His word?

Oh wait! Seems you don't understand Jesus died in Jerusalem for the sins of the WHOLE world and If anyone dies without christ he was going to end in Hell. Wait! Do you know how many People would have died in Africa, South America, Australia, China, India, europe, before the Gospel reached them? Do you know how many people die per day?

So all these people will go to hell? The clever answer will be NO, the won't go to hell because they did not know. Oh! So if they won't go to hell because they were ignorant, why preach the gospel to them and make them informed and now if they die with the tiniest of sin without christ they end in hell. Why not leave them ignorant so their souls can be saved based on their ignorance.

How long did it take for the gospel of christ to reach the whole world? Is god truely the God of the whole world or of Jews?

It did not just add up.
This whole gospel thing started to crumble the more I thought of it.

That is just a tip of the questions I began to ask God. Of course he had no answer. The same God that reveals other peoples issues to me could not answer this.

We are to preach to all nations, we are not told to make sure that people don't perish. i wonder where you got that. That would be an impossible task because we are already told and know that people will perish, so how will we be told to make sure that people do not perish? Also, it is not a task given to one person to do. Even Jesus and the disciples and Paul did not get everybody saved, so which one is your own that the pressure is so much on your neck? Good, we should have compassion and passion for souls, but it is never meant at our detriment. The cases of Moses and Paul are very clear. they wanted others to take their place but it is impossible.
Not everyone christian are evangelists, or given the gift of being evangelists though we are all to be witnesses. Where you got the FACT about how soulwinning must be done, not sure your source of info is credible. That's a big problem, people put their good opinions and ideas as the Word of God, and get others all stirred up on what nobody really sent them. Some people get saved, and initial reaction is like no more work, no marriage, nothing, they just want to go to heaven and live for the gospel etc. It looks high and lofty and pious but nobody commanded that, although we have seen pastors and denominations that misled others into such a position.
Another thing about your shock and reality-check about God's love and reaction, there is nothing new under the sun. It is not an eureka moment or a new discovery for those who truly know and observe God. From Adam, one would have expected God to send in Jesus and the calvary the next day after throwing man out of the garden of Eden. He didn't even send common Moses for centuries, not to mention J.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Okay, Jesus finally comes some thousands of years later and is busy doing "nothing" for 30years except for making cupboards, chairs and stuff like that. Jesus who created hell and knows all about it, whose mission and name is called Jesus to save people from their sins. He did not even go and die and let the salvation start, He still went up and down for 3years or thereabout, walking on water, feeding people with bread and teaching in boats. The one it is peppering you like body-hug, you should have gently followed your 'Master Jesus' and observe His style instead of being more catholic than the pope. Another truth is this, God loves men, and does not want any man to perish. However, He is not desperate or hopeless without it. Man is the one that actually needs Him, not the other way round. The whole world is as nothing, as sorry, less than nothing actually. His doing a favour of giving eternal life is not out of His desperation or helplessness. That's the position IF you can rightly perceive the context.
About people going to hell before the gospel reaches them, yes they would. That is the answer, not the clever or unclever answer. Ignorance is not an excuse. You have something metallic on you, the metal detector would not let you go as it were. It is not about how good you are, or your height, beauty, intelligence, knowledge, or ignorance. It just would detect it. That is the way sin is. If you don't have eternal life, you don't have it. No matter how pitiful or challenging your story is. In Heaven, they are not desperately in need of humans there. This is the plain truth people decide not to see, yet it is in every Bible. So the 'shocking discovery' is uncalled for. It takes nothing away.

Lilbrown007:
THEY CANT REASON O

Actually, it is atheists that i've found to always completely avoid all said. Watch them avoid me like a plague, it's a miracle to see atheists truly reason.

Image123:


Actually, it is atheists that i've found to always completely avoid all said. Watch them avoid me like a plague, it's a miracle to see atheists truly reason.

AND WHATS THAT??

absoluteSuccess:


"Why do you chose to question my choice?" is the perfect answer to your question.

But better still simply ask yourself why go for multiple creators why not for a single creator.

Seriously, are u sure u are alright?

HardMirror:
Infact. It is easier for a dedicated christian to become an atheist than an unserious christian.
Why. Because the unserious christian would be afraid that it is because he does not pray well, read the bible or live a holy life that is why the devil is deceiving him that the bible is not god's word.
But once you read the whole bible over and over again and you are genuinely concerned and sincere about life and the after life, you begin to ask questions and begin to see the stupidity of what you hinge you life on.
The moment you have a personal relationship with God and he is a Father to you more than being a far away God, then you begin to realize he is doing nothing to help humanity. You go out you see people suffering. You feel so bad and your heavenly father is doing nothing to help them. You want to go about praying for people like jesus you just end up embarrassing yourself. Why do you think all these big pastors don't go about on the street like jesus? They know god does not heal and going on the street will expose them real fast.
It's all a facade.

This is a ridiculous assertion probably backed up by your little years of experience only. You've not lived 100years i guess? Meanwhile, the Bible refers to people called reprobates, and to people called apostates. Of course it is not all backsliders or atheists that were never true christians, though many were never true christians. In my little experience, 95% were never true christians or strong christians. Many of them just went to church or were born in church, forced to church, lived with christian workers/pastors. But we do have some that were indeed genuine believers like Demas, like Judas who had indeed had intimacy with the truth. So many are said to come on judgement day even thinking they are christians and are not(Matthew7:21-23). When one is not watchful and careful, anyone can fall even Peter.

Lilbrown007:
AND WHATS THAT??

What's what?

Image123:

What's what?

WHAT DID YOU ASK THAT WEREN'T ANSWERED??

HardMirror:

I have a friend who ended up mad. She ran away in her final year and began preaching up and down on the road. Went totally crazy for about a year we could not find the poor lady.

People have mental pronblems due to different reasons, mostly stress and lack of sleep. We all have bodies to take care of and Bible actually commands rest. So if someone runs mad studying hard, or due to work or marital challenges, we don't condemn or sneer at education, or employment or marriage. We get the root cause and tackle it. i thought you were the logical ones?

Lilbrown007:
WHAT DID YOU ASK THAT WEREN'T ANSWERED??

i responded with logic and reason, and they completely avoided everything i said. i see/predict the same thing happening here, though some will attempt to save face but i'm expecting the usual, they cannot really discuss.

Image123:


i responded with logic and reason, and they completely avoided everything i said. i see/predict the same thing happening here, though some will attempt to save face but i'm expecting the usual, they cannot really discuss.

DID U GET MY QUESTION AT ALL?? I SAID WHAT DID U ASK THAT WEREN'T ANSWERED??

HardMirror:

The reason is not because they feel the loss. The real reason is disbelief that God can be denounced and yet these atheists live normal lives without the great fear of eternal damnation. It is just too incredible to imagine.

There is nothing incredible in the prosperity of a sinner or unbeliever or in their suffering. The Scriptures affirm both.
1Pe 5:9 Whom resist steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

Lilbrown007:
DID U GET MY QUESTION AT ALL?? I SAID WHAT DID U ASK THAT WEREN'T ANSWERED??

Ask where? i did not talk about asking questions, did i? i said and say that your picture posted is actually the other way round. That is, when you reason logically with an atheist, they completely avoid everything you say. They begin to resort to sentiments and emotions and begin to try to guilt trip you into thinking you are wicked, heartless etc.

HardMirror:

Really I am not interested in convincing anyone. But I will keep upsetting the norms in religion just to tickle peoples imagination. [b]I am yet to see an atheist that is trying to convert anyone. [/b]We just make our findings available.

i understand you are no more a christian, but this is plain dishonesty or gross inexperience.

Image123:


Ask where? i did not talk about asking questions, did i? i said and say that your picture posted is actually the other way round. That is, when you reason logically with an atheist, they completely avoid everything you say. They begin to resort to sentiments and emotions and begin to try to guilt trip you into thinking you are wicked, heartless etc.

I DON'T THINK THATS THE CASE CAUSE I STILL HAVEN'T SEEN ANY LOGICAL POINT ANY RELIGIOUS INDIVIDUAL HAS GIVEN ON THIS THREAD THEY ONLY QUOTE FROM THE BIBLE

Lilbrown007:
I DON'T THINK THATS THE CASE CAUSE I STILL HAVEN'T SEEN ANY LOGICAL POINT ANY RELIGIOUS INDIVIDUAL HAS GIVEN ON THIS THREAD THEY ONLY QUOTE FROM THE BIBLE

Fine and fair, though not logical.

seemples:


Abeg he's not near who you think oo...He's a jealous wannabe trying to tarnish the real pastor's image!

He can't even boldly identify himself, see?!
Even when they said they'll find him out, he said he would flatly deny his name.


Coward agbaya Hardmirror

Lol, i think in this case, he's actually though unfortunately telling the truth. The mark and style is there.