Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Lessonteacher(f): 12:06pm On May 03, 2016 |
HardMirror:
You cannot fight truth. Many christians preaching here will end up as atheists, except they prefer deceiving themselves rather than embracing the glaring truth.
This is getting interesting. I am sure many I mentioned in my story will eventually. can you be too sure about God not existing? What if u were wrong? Don't you think matters like thez are deeper than our imagination? If you think the bible story is fairy tale, can you tell us the real one about how everything came to be? |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by HardMirror(m): 12:08pm On May 03, 2016 |
urahara: At least with azo here the xtians on this thread can keep their mouths shut about u making the story up ![tongue](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/tongue.png) I don't even give a damn about them. They think I am lying even tho I am verifiable. And I am communicating with them directly, able to answer any question they ask me. But choose to believe god no one can verify and ask questions. 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by HardMirror(m): 12:10pm On May 03, 2016 |
Lessonteacher: can you be too sure about God not existing? What if u were wrong? Don't you think matters like thez are deeper than our imagination? If you think the bible story is fairy tale, can you tell us the real one about how everything came to be? If god is real, which god is the real one? Does anyone have the answer to this? 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by swaggzo(m): 12:10pm On May 03, 2016 |
HardMirror:
It's like johnydon22 is not with us in this country ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by swaggzo(m): 12:11pm On May 03, 2016 |
Millex:
Like I said He isn't like man. The way you think isn't the way He thinks. HE ISN'T LIKE MAN? OH! WHAT'S HE LIKE THEN? ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png) 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by santori: 12:16pm On May 03, 2016 |
swaggzo:
HE ISN'T LIKE MAN? OH! WHAT'S HE LIKE THEN? ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png) lols. and their book of lies says man was created in God's image. they will always contradict themselves 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Nobody: 12:17pm On May 03, 2016 |
Millex:
Like I said He isn't like man. The way you think isn't the way He thinks. WELL BUT ELIJAH DID IT NA OR WAS GOD NOT THINKING STRAIGHT THEN?? |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by swaggzo(m): 12:18pm On May 03, 2016 |
otemanuduno:
All the gods were real, including Jesus( who was named Faulkin) in the past millions of years. But in our own world, they are no more in the physical realm, but in the brains, such that people of our time start writing about them after they had reached into the part of their brains where all the gods are. But sincerely, Faulkin was painted to us as a Holy guy in the name JESUS, but he is not. He is only a wicked son of NYMPHIDIS(Yahweh) who introduced the concept of HELL FIRE in an acceptable way. Other gods like Hade, Moloch and Co. all thought of scaring people with Hell Fire too, but theirs did not work out because they did not interpolate their own books with enough wise-sayings. But Faulkin(Jesus) who stole the wise-sayings of Krishna(Krish) and the method of Vishnu(Vishinus) by coming to the world to proclaim that he would die for their sins, like Krishna also did many years before him: he was accepted because of his wise-sayings which were copied from the write-ups of people like Philo and Krishna(Christ). It was the same way Nymphidis(Yahweh) stole the story of Brahma(a god) and changed his name to Abram in his own story before finally changing it to Abraham. Same way the story of the god called Sol was changed to Saul and finally to Paul. And also Apollo, the Greek god name was retained to be a counterpart of Saul, same way the Greek God Sol and Apollo were contemporaries in their own time. Then the god called Sin was also used by Yahweh to mean 'sin ' because he is jealous of him. And Asherah the goddess' name was changed to Sarah by Yahweh who married her forcefully. Lastly, the concept of Trinity began in the Greek gods stories which came about 2000 years before Christianity came into existence. Vishnu, Brahma and Siva were the TRINITY. Then Siva and other gods began to do evil such that Vishnu had to come in form of a baby through a virgin. And the child called Krishna a. k. a Krish(turned to Christ by the Christian story) came to existence to end sins in those days.
CHRISTIANITY IS A BIG THIEF OF STORIES.
read DOCTRINE OF THE UFOS, given to me by EARTUM and you shall all be wiser.
THE GODS CHAPTER ONE
Vs 1-18 1. And while Nymphidis was away in the pit, many rulers began to emerge. And the sons of God which are called gods and their wives which are called goddesses took over all the lands. And the lands were split into different fragments. And there were villages and towns and cities and countries and tribes. 2. For each god taught his own people how to speak in the language he had chosen. 3. And Vishinus was he who taught many of the languages spoken by those in the countries which were in the land of Largas. And also was Mazda and Bajang , Jing, Barong , Basuki , Caishen, Batara Gura , Paradjartbut and thousands others. 4. And the gods in the land of Chichaleb were Tatji, Wondjina, Papang, Namorodo, Julana, Goanna, Gnowee, Bobbi and thousands other. This continent of Chichaleb were two continents before, until the two sons of God called Chaleb and Chimides became bossom friends and made decision to come together permanently. 5. And the gods in the continent of Nymphidis were Jupitus, Bragi, Loki, Venomus, Janus, Apollyon(also called Apollo), Sol, Odin, Bacchus and thousands others. 6. And the gods in the continent of Euchlydes were Mango, Chia, Eldorado, Colo, Jurupari, Sigo, Abe, Tamula and thousands others. 7. And the names of the gods in the continent of Ephradite were Coyote, Bototo, Xena, Sin, Gaol, In at half and thousands others. 8. And the gods in the country of Murmoh were Moloch, Anubis, Oghene, Apophis, Geb, Aje, Chuku, Olorun, Abassi, Faro, Gamab, Mulungu, Mbere and thousands others. 9. And the gods and goddesses ruling on the surfaces of the waters were Eartum, Osun, Gong Gong, Poseidon, Lotan, Idemili, Yemoja, Kuraokami, Watatsumi and thousands others. 10. And some of the gods in the rivers and oceans and seas also went to the moon where Earthus herself had made her permanent abode because of the trouble of Nymphidis and the homo of his land. 11. And many of the goddesses of the waters had fins to swim, according to that which Mother Earthus herself had, for they were her children and friends. 12. And all these gods and goddesses taught the people about themselves, hiding in the invisible rays and having some homo representatives. And these representatives were those who made rituals to the gods. And these representatives made a monstrous pictures of the gods before their worshippers to put fear in their minds and to make sure they earned the trust of the people. 13. And some representatives of the gods painted the pictures of their deities as lions. And some painted them as dragons and some as crocodiles and some as creatures with ten eyes. 14. And as soon as the homos had heard such, they began to picture them as such indeed and had nightmares. 15. But Eartum and the other four sons of God which were in the earth at the beginning of the earth’s discovery did not make themselves well-known to the homo-erectus, but busied themselves with the activity of making researches even as God has commanded them. 16. But the owner of the continent of Murmoh, which was Murmoh himself, had left his own people to themselves. And they had no one to teach them anything. 17. Then as time went by, the homo erectuses all over the surfaces of the earth began to change in their appearances, because the remainder of the first homos went to lie with them. 18. And they had babies of them.
WHERE'D THE COMPOSERS OF THESE THEORIES GET THEIR IDEAS FROM?? ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png) THINGS THAT HAPPENED EVEN BEFORE THE EVOLUTION?... ![](/faces/huh.png) |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by swaggzo(m): 12:28pm On May 03, 2016 |
santori:
lols. and their book of lies says man was created in God's image. they will always contradict themselves ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) THEY KNOW NUTTING BRO
THEY JUST SPEND THEIR LIVES HIDING UNDER THE CARPET OF PRETENCE AND FEAR! 2 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Lessonteacher(f): 12:32pm On May 03, 2016 |
HardMirror:
If god is real, which god is the real one? Does anyone have the answer to this? im not religous... cant u see some form of resemblance in what they stand for? Imagine how the world would have been without religion from the start. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by HardMirror(m): 12:42pm On May 03, 2016 |
Lessonteacher: im not religous... cant u see some form of resemblance in what they stand for? Imagine how the world would have been without religion from the start. ![](/faces/huh.png) Lessonteacher: im not religous... cant u see some form of resemblance in what they stand for? Imagine how the world would have been without religion from the start. reason why majority should remain ignorant |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by NiRfreak(m): 12:42pm On May 03, 2016 |
musicwriter: @HardMirror
Have read your story and it's quite interesting. I'll like to respond, but before I proceed let me inform you I'm no church person trying to re-convert you. Rather, I'm here to point out the misconceptions you had from the beginning and still do. Hopefully, it would help you understand better.
I'll be quoting some of your comments I find interesting.
1.
Yes, you're right, but you don't fully understand why and why hypnotism itself works.
Nature is configured to work that way. You don't have to be a christian for that to happen. You could be a muslem, a babalawo, a monk, a celebrity, anything. If you exert that kind of influence on someone, nature will activate the person receiving such incantations to trust you and get healed. This's why Jesus Christ who had a great knowledge of how nature works emphasized faith among his followers.
T. B. Joshua use it even now, and it's not a bad thing, as long as whoever is using it is using it for good. Of course, thieves also use it to rob people by sheer threat without even wielding a gun!.
This's also the natural tool available to parents to control their children. If such natural powers doesn't exist, children would not obey their parents. It works all the time and would continue to work. Even if now as an unbeliever you go out and start attending to your former followers, it would still work, as long as they don't realize you're no longer a believer. It have nothing to do with the bible or koran or Torah. Again, it's natural.
2.
Similar to the above, if your followers believe what you're saying is true, nature would activate it in their mind as real, even if you were deliberately telling them a lie. Nature works in a way that it's the receiver of such sermon decide whether it's real or not, not YOU. You could be a 419'ner and it would still work!. It's just nature working, it have nothing to do with the bible or koran or Torah.
3.
Not really. But, it's almost like the above. It's the onlooker that decides whether a magic is real or not. Not the actor!!. It's not YOU that decides whether the magic is real or not. As far as the mind of the onlookers are concerned a magic is real. In the eyes of your followers your magic or incantations were real, even if you were a fake pastor deliberating fooling them. Both of you were experiencing reality in opposite sides. If your followers believed your sermon or magic were real, you are not better than them for knowing it was a fake. To them it was real, to you it was a fake. Just two sides of the same coin!!.
Indeed, science also proves so. Albert Einstein's law of relativity shows different people would have different realities depending on their position, location or speed; for instance. If we 're seated watching a live football match in a stadium, and there's a penalty kick, the spectator seated at the back of the goalkeeper sees the kick as a ball coming towards him, while the other spectator seated at the back of the opponent's goalkeeper sees it as a ball running away from him. That's one.
Assuming the match is between Nigeria and Brazil, and at the end Nigeria wins the match by 7 goals to 0, i.e Nigeria 7 : Brazil 0. The reality for Nigeria would be victory and joy, while the reality for Brazil would be loss and sadness. Each country perceiving reality at opposite sides!. These are the two different realities in this example!!.
Quantum physics also have same discoveries!. Scientists were able to get 2 correct answers for 1 mathematical question!!. Reality depends on the mind perceiving it!!. Again, YOU are not the one that decides reality for someone else. I wish I could get someone understand this, cause it's so important. That's how nature works!!.
4.
It's all the same as above. It was the woman that experienced the reality NOT you!!. Indeed, your prayers worked as far as the woman was concerned. Or did it not work??.
I'll be so glad, if you could understand what God means and keep helping such women get back their lives.
5.
This just a misconception. God is you!. It's up to you to pursue good for humanity using that feel good spirit. There's no other God that would solve humanity's problem than you.
6.
Like No. 6 above, this misconception originates from your mistaken concept of God all the while you were a preacher. God wants you to do anything you can for the advancement of humanity. And when you're doing that he's doing it.
7. This's where you exposed your biggest misconception about God.
God is not interested in religion!. God has nothing to do with religion!!. Jesus Christ himself was not a christian neither were he a church person. In one instance he went to the church (synagogue) and began destroying the whole place because he felt they weren't doing things right.
God is not interested how many times you pray or so called saving souls for him, but how well you served humanity for good- solving those problems that threw you away from the church. Without mincing words; what this comment tell me is that you were a christian fanatics all the while, same way your friends and big pastors were and still are.
Even if God and Jesus were real and you based your entitlement on the above, God and Jesus would still have rejected you in heaven, if any. Indeed, Jesus said: "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." I'm surprised you dnt know he knows better now. All your analysis isnt necessary. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Nobody: 12:42pm On May 03, 2016 |
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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by HardMirror(m): 12:55pm On May 03, 2016 |
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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Nobody: 12:58pm On May 03, 2016 |
HardMirror:
Hehehehehehe Chai! No o. Not publishing in Nigeria Why naa......... Have you forgotten there is no place like home ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) :p |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 1:02pm On May 03, 2016 |
cloudgoddess:
Then what exactly was your point in suggesting he should raise his kids without education since he's raising them without religion? Why would the former follow from the latter? He said he wanted to raise his kids free, to maintain the default stance from birth. That they can develop their own ideas. i helped him to make it complete. Why would he want them half free, is it not sensible for them to be completely free and default? |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by NiRfreak(m): 1:08pm On May 03, 2016 |
tohpahz: The only thing I want know hardmirror...
When u want to fill out forms.. Religion Christian Muslim . Which one do u tick??
I mean when the 'others' option isn't available. Lets be wary of our questions, it exposes the level of our intellect too quickly......(pained) |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Nobody: 1:13pm On May 03, 2016 |
analice107:
Christians converts unbelievers, Satan converts Chritians. Weldone, your reward is great in hellfire. Deep down, when none of us is with you, you know how much you mean to satan. you know, so dont come here a pretend about being an atheist who do not believe in satan. All the witches and Wizards are right here on nl pretending to be atheists, why wont any of you for once declare openly to being a practicing Witch or Wizard rather than being an atheist? O sorry, Sarassin did. Dear ma'm, you need to take a break. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by swaggzo(m): 1:17pm On May 03, 2016 |
SirWere:
Dear ma'm,
you need to take a break. MY MAN YOU WON'T BELIEVE THE NUMBER OF GOD'S CHILDREN FOLLOWING THIS THREAD ON CODE, WAITING FOR US TO LOSE OUR GUARD IN ANYWAY SO THEY CAN RUN INTO US DRASTICALLY ![cheesy](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/cheesy.png) 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Nobody: 1:18pm On May 03, 2016 |
Lessonteacher: can you be too sure about God not existing? What if u were wrong? Don't you think matters like thez are deeper than our imagination? If you think the bible story is fairy tale, can you tell us the real one about how everything came to be? We do not completely know, but the most reasonable explanation right now is the big bang theory. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Nobody: 1:21pm On May 03, 2016 |
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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 1:21pm On May 03, 2016 |
HardMirror:
Thanks bro THIS IS NOT A STUNT, IT IS MY TRUE STORY. I have not even told the story of my childhood. I grew up a lover of God. I mean with my whole heart I believed and Loved the Lord. So those waiting for me to pull a surprise towards the end of this whole episode should forget it.
Yes people respond to authority. Train a dog and you will understand. Good trainers of dogs easily make good leaders. (Not talking about just keeping a dog and feeding it)
I know what I have experienced. Those quoting the bible should know that you can't claim to be using logical reason when quoting the bible to a peoson that does not even believe the bible is the word of God.
The first thing to do is to prove the bible to be God's word (image123 take note). So such people should stop crying that they are not getting any attention despite all their efforts to be noticed. As you all can see, this guy I am replying made Logical points I can reason with and that is why I am replying him.
As for unique Nuban number and phone number, what is spurious about that? Are you suggesting 10 people share a single number? You have a unique number because that is the only way you can be contacted privately. I don't see what is fishy or spiritual about that.
Illuminati and co are cults, just like your masquerade cults in your village. The difference is these are cults for elites and they have a global objective. They use spiritual undertones to keep secrecy and mystify their operations. How on earth are people not expected to quote the Bible in defending the Bible? Are you guys not quoting or paraphrasing the Bible in accusing it? Please make sense. All your ideas about hell and heaven and God and His "wicked" ways, are they not from the Bible, are they from Ugo C Ugo? So you want to sound logical and reasonable to show that God is unreasonable, but you do not want us to show that God is reasonable using the same Bible? Hypocrisy not well thought out. Why on earth do i have to prove that the Bible is God's Word? Am i preaching to you or telling you that it is God's Word? Why did you not prove that the Bible is God's Word before you made your views and opinions about Him known? You have come with your ideas and strong opinions on how christians should live, preach, evangelize etc. But you do not want me to quote the Bible to show you how it is done there? Are christians following your opinion or the Bible? Of course, i have to reference the Bible to show how Jesus, God and others took saving the world etc. you are not the standard, your feeling or suggestion is not the standard. You came and was all talk about how christians are not atheists because they do not ask question, that if any christian should ask question he will become an atheist. Of course i had to show you from the Bible that your experiences are not new. There are people in the Bible who have faced similar and more and still stayed with God, so don't come painting the idea that people are only christians because they don't think or because they don't ask questions. i don't need you to reply me, but i need you to think since you claim that is what you want to do. i did not cry or complain about being unnoticed, what on earth do i need the notice for?Being active here for long BTW. i was only replying that fellow who posted a picture that christians/theists avoid everything reason or logic. i predicted to him that the same will happen here proving my point, and it indeed happened. When you respond to an atheist with logic and reason against what he thinks, they completely avoid everything you said. They begin to talk about not wasting their time etc as they've met their match. Actually, it happens in both sides of an argument though. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 1:31pm On May 03, 2016 |
HardMirror:
Malaria, headache, pains of different categories etc. And at a time I believed a dumb kid regained ability to speak after I and a brother prayed for him. But I know better now. Yes my case is not new. Who talked about it being new? Everyday people are gradually realizing that god takes glory for things he did not do while actually he has never done anything. Seen many cases of people who are still christian but now know only their effort matters and they should not expect anything from god. Good, just wanted to confirm that you indeed recall that the supernatural(not natural) is real. Malaria kills millions of peple in africa every year, so it's profitable and good to hear an atheist affirm that these can be cured using supernatural means. Like i've already said, you painted the picture like you case is a discovery and eye opener. That christians are christians because they have not asked questions or began to think. Good to hear/read you say that is not true. People have always asked questions and thought since time immemorial. Many people have being convinced to different sides to the divide based on reasoning too. It is not only atheistic convewrsions that employ reasoning. Paul reasoned with people several times, some were converted, some were not. People make choices based on reasoning and logic, some make their choices and decisions based on emotion. That is the way life is. It is not the exclusive preserve of atheism. i have seen many cases of people who are still christian and know that their efforts could never have gotten them to where they were today. Christianity does not say that efforts don't matter, actually faith without efforts is dead. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by HardMirror(m): 1:37pm On May 03, 2016 |
Image123:
Good, just wanted to confirm that you indeed recall that the supernatural(not natural) is real. Malaria kills millions of peple in africa every year, so it's profitable and good to hear an atheist affirm that these can be cured using supernatural means. Like i've already said, you painted the picture like you case is a discovery and eye opener. That christians are christians because they have not asked questions or began to think. Good to hear/read you say that is not true. People have always asked questions and thought since time immemorial. Many people have being convinced to different sides to the divide based on reasoning too. It is not only atheistic convewrsions that employ reasoning. Paul reasoned with people several times, some were converted, some were not. People make choices based on reasoning and logic, some make their choices and decisions based on emotion. That is the way life is. It is not the exclusive preserve of atheism. i have seen many cases of people who are still christian and know that their efforts could never have gotten them to where they were today. Christianity does not say that efforts don't matter, actually faith without efforts is dead. You desperately sort attention and I gave you attention. Don't be offended that I won't be replying you. Don't want to be insulting so better to not tell you how you sound. 5 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 1:39pm On May 03, 2016 |
johnydon22:
I know you need my attention.. Well ok now be happy i have noticed you. . . You can now move on Wrong again like you are on many presumptuous grounds. i don't need your attention, i have never needed it. i don't know you neither do i need to. i've been an active member of the forum for many years without needing your attention. In fact, it is the attention of folks like you that makes me stay away from the religion section of the forum. It's no longer like before where some atheists were actually intelligent and could actually engage. People like you make me begin to appreciate the likes of thehomer, saw him post recently, it's been a while. Don't remember the names of some of the others. What we have today are wannabes copying and pasting ideas only, incapable of free and independent thought, looking for fellowship, likes, shares, how to meet other atheists bla bla bla. i don't usually have time for such people as i consider them a waste of my time, but for the great commission the OP overdramatized. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 1:40pm On May 03, 2016 |
HardMirror:
You desperately sort attention and I gave you attention. Don't be offended that I won't be replying you. Don't want to be insulting so better to not tell you how you sound. You don't want to because you would only resort to insults not reason. It's the prediction fulfilled of course. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by swaggzo(m): 1:45pm On May 03, 2016 |
[s]] Image123:
Wrong again like you are on many presumptuous grounds. i don't need your attention, i have never needed it. i don't know you neither do i need to. i've been an active member of the forum for many years without needing your attention. In fact, it is the attention of folks like you that makes me stay away from the religion section of the forum. It's no longer like before where some atheists were actually intelligent and could actually engage. People like you make me begin to appreciate the likes of thehomer, saw him post recently, it's been a while. Don't remember the names of some of the others. What we have today are wannabes copying and pasting ideas only, incapable of free and independent thought, looking for fellowship, likes, shares, how to meet other atheists bla bla bla. i don't usually have time for such people as i consider them a waste of my time, but for the great commission the OP overdramatized. [/s] YOU SOUND HORNIY. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by otemanuduno: 1:58pm On May 03, 2016 |
Yahweh is Satan in a wonderful make-up. It is even better to serve idol than to serve Yahweh. Why? Idol won't send you to hell when you die, but Yahweh, he will surely send his worshippers to hell.
THANK GOD FOR EARTUM WHO REVEALED THE TRUTH TO ME. NOW MY BRAIN CANNOT BE TRAPPED BY MERCIFUL MERCILESS YAHWEH WHO MURDERED ANANIAS AND SAPPHIRA IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 2:03pm On May 03, 2016 |
frank317:
Nice evation and excuse Mr logic. So much for an all powerful God who promised all and all to anyone who has faith even as small as mustard seed. You know God should have given us a warning: "I am not ready to answer your prayers anytime u want me too... I am a busy God and decide to answer your prayers at my own time despite what ur situation is." This God must expect that we reason like him. Or he certainly needs humans to doubt him... What better time would he have healed this poor blind man and boost the poor believers confidence? What really is the point of prayer when it can only be answered at Gods own time? You God needs humans to beg him for a request he will only fulfill at his own time? Lol God does not expect that you reason like Him, in fact He says that you do not. Lemme remind you. Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.Always read the fine prints of a contract, or get someone to help you before signing. Anyone who knows God or knows the Word of God knows that you would not get everything you ask for everytime. When you understand someone or a process, it works better for you. For instance, the yorubas will say "i want to come and be going", that makes little sense or a contradiction to English grammar. Or for instance in an establishment or institution, they have their codes. The codes a pilot is hearing from the control tower may be in English but mean something very different to what you expect. Same way in every house, family, organisation, they have their ways of understanding one another. Anyone that understands and studies the Word of God will know that prayer has clauses. you don't just pick a verse or a couple of passages and run away. You study the whole Bible for a more rounded understanding. Jesus'disciples carried their mother to come and ask Jesus anything like He had promised, they were not given. Mat 20:20 Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshiping him, and desiring a certain thing of him. Mat 20:21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom. Mat 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. Mat 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father. Paul prayed for something three times, he did not get the answer he wanted. 2Co 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. 2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. They prayed for Timothy to be well, later on they had to tell him to take medicine for his infirmity. Trophimus was left at Miletus sick. David prayed and fasted for his sick son and the son died. And so many others. So someone coming here acting all shocked and becoming atheist because God did not answer his prayers was grossly ignorant of the Word of God. If you like from today till you die, ask God in faith to destroy hell fire, it will not be done. But God said you should ask anything in Jesus' name, or ask to be the president of the US. It is not everybody that will get a yes to that. About the blind man not been healed, i cannot say why. Maybe healing the man's eyes wasn't a priority for God. Maybe God even helped him. Come to think of it, the blind man might actually still be a strong believer or may have died as one. Meanwhile, someone whose ego wasn't pampered is here weeping more than the bereaved. Maybe, his eyes can take eternal life away from him, and God just left him that way to see the kingdom. Because in Bible, if your eye or hand etc offend you, cut it off as it were. Affliction and afflicted people are usually close to God and trust God and believe God than people who have no challenges. Annie Johnson Flint was a paraplegic who served God despite much affliction, a story is quite a touching one. And so are many others. 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 2:04pm On May 03, 2016 |
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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by otemanuduno: 2:12pm On May 03, 2016 |
Image123:
Good, just wanted to confirm that you indeed recall that the supernatural(not natural) is real. Malaria kills millions of peple in africa every year, so it's profitable and good to hear an atheist affirm that these can be cured using supernatural means. Like i've already said, you painted the picture like you case is a discovery and eye opener. That christians are christians because they have not asked questions or began to think. Good to hear/read you say that is not true. People have always asked questions and thought since time immemorial. Many people have being convinced to different sides to the divide based on reasoning too. It is not only atheistic convewrsions that employ reasoning. Paul reasoned with people several times, some were converted, some were not. People make choices based on reasoning and logic, some make their choices and decisions based on emotion. That is the way life is. It is not the exclusive preserve of atheism. i have seen many cases of people who are still christian and know that their efforts could never have gotten them to where they were today. Christianity does not say that efforts don't matter, actually faith without efforts is dead. The supernatural is indeed real. All the gods indeed existed, including your god called Yahweh/Allah who is the most jealous of them all. After the First world was over, the real God, Domino Reverad commanded that the gods should not have anything to do with humans again. And all the gods, from the history of the past events of the past world of the home erectus, etc. which they have gathered, they made up books. Yahweh made up his own also, copying from other gods like Krish(hence the word Christ), Brahma(changed to Abraham), Asherah(goddess edited to Sarah), god called Sol(hence a change of name to Saul, then to Paul), Appolo(left unchanged but used in the Bible), Sin(changed to mean evil). Now the WORD was with Yahweh already. What was left for him was to control our own world with that word. Then he began to give these word to the scribes to write them down. Little wonder it was written that ANY SPIRIT THAT SAYS JESUS DOES NOT COME IN THE FLESH IS AN ANTICHRIST. you know, when you know that people will suspect you, you put down stuffs like that. And the funniest aspect of it is Hebrews 11. Faith is the SUBSTANCE OF THINGS HOPED FOR, THE EVIDENCE OF THINGS NOT SEEN. All the people who existed thousands of years before JESUS CHRIST have been seen in the books of histories and their images are everywhere, but JESUS CHRIST and all his disciples are totally NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. not even a single picture of our loving JESUS was found, yet they made him king of KINGS and he rode on donkey. LIARS. I PITY PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST ACTUALLY CAME IN THE FLESH IN THIS OUR OWN WORLD. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by analice107: 2:16pm On May 03, 2016 |
SirWere:
Dear ma'm,
you need to take a break.
Take a break from what? |