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Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 8:42am On May 04, 2016 |
Eastbay: EPL started in 1992. Ferguson broke the British/Club transfer record in 1993, 1995, 1998(twice), 2001(twice), 2002, and 2008. Eastbay: ferguson broke the club transfer record twice in one season to buy these two. I agree with your argument re Pep fraudiola, but it is also a fraud to try and paint Ferguson as a winner with 'home grown talent'. Ferguson more or less bought his way to the EPL titles. 2 Likes |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Emaprince: 8:45am On May 04, 2016 |
Pep is a good coach who was lucky to have *in nihilst's voice* a freak of nature, messi... Plus xavi, iniesta all in their prime. Without messi in particular, pep wouldn't have achieved all he did with barca. He was just a passenger carried along by his players. If you want to know what coaches can do with a team, check out mou's inter and porto team. What have been their performances in Europe post mourinho? |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by hensben(m): 9:00am On May 04, 2016 |
Eastbay:Nor mind that ollah1. He didn't talk about mou's success with Porto but inter. The fact still remain pep is overrated till he prove himself with a team struggling or underdog. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by diggz: 9:03am On May 04, 2016 |
Eastbay: Which kind wickedt humans dey NL tori olorun....? Eastbay u hv no soul! May God forgive you for wanting to murder someone |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by lekkie073(m): 9:13am On May 04, 2016 |
Guardiola would have been able to predict the questions in his postmatch news conference easily enough; he also would have known that little in his responses could change the bottom line. He will leave Bayern without having taken them to a Champions League final. Would he agree that he had not fulfilled his mission in Bavaria? Is football really about anything more than winning titles? History may yet come to the impossibly harsh conclusion that Guardiola failed at Bayern, a victim of his own high standards http://m.espn.go.com/soccer/blogs/blogpost?w=1g8lb&i=TOP&id=2864411&topslot=1&wjb= so, is it dat guardiola is not dat genius as his followers pressume or is it dat bayern munich are not dat fantastic as their supporters believe raumdeuter over to u sir 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nobody: 9:18am On May 04, 2016 |
Nihilist:Point noted. But their careers (Yorke and Stam)didn't exactly become the stuff of legends. So are we going to equate them on the same level as the Barca side of 2009 because they were record transfers? |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by chidexxy007(m): 9:19am On May 04, 2016 |
diggz:him to knw cos na him start d counting.. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nobody: 9:20am On May 04, 2016 |
ollah1:Quit this your mor0nity. You can't even write properly, talk less of arguing. When you get discharged from that sanitarium you are typing this hogwash from, give me a holla. Until then your nurse is waiting to dispense your pills this morning. 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by homesteady(m): 9:28am On May 04, 2016 |
Please I would like to know Mourinho's record against Simeone in their last 3 knockout cup games! Ibime do you mind helping out? |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 9:29am On May 04, 2016 |
Eastbay: They were the best in the league at the time. Stam was actually the UEFA best defender of the year for back to back seasons between 1998 and 2000, and Dwight Yorke finished the season as the highest goal scorer in the league. So the exact same argument against Pep could be levied against Ferguson. With the amount of talent available to him, walking the league and triumphing in Europe was the minimum expectation. Good job he delivered. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nobody: 9:29am On May 04, 2016 |
Eastbay: Like i said earlier, you switch to the usage of foul languages when you don't have anything to backup your claims anymore. Nihilist mentioned you earlier, why haven't you countered him? Oh yes, you can write properly right? Now tell me how much you are worth and what you make daily? |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nobody: 9:32am On May 04, 2016 |
homesteady: You actually think you will be replied. Hypocrites na hin full here |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nobody: 9:32am On May 04, 2016 |
Nihilist: Good one bro. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by diggz: 9:33am On May 04, 2016 |
homesteady: Wetin concern MOU for this matter? Naim b Bayern coach? |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by chidexxy007(m): 9:38am On May 04, 2016 |
lekkie073:my brother, its the case of the former rather dan d later. At barca he had Puyol, bayern cari boa cement give am, iniesta nd xavi dem wey b cheat. Shey dem say he brought out d beast in messi, why couldnt he bring out d devil in coman....#lubbish 2 Likes |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by diggz: 9:45am On May 04, 2016 |
chidexxy007: Lol at bring out the devil in Coman........ |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nobody: 9:46am On May 04, 2016 |
Nihilist:Yorke was joint top scorer with Owen and Hasselbaink. That was the only time he ever topped the charts, with only 18 league goals. He was never England's best striker when he was active, abeg. Not when Fowler, Shearer and co still were there. Kevin Philips topped the scorers chart along with Dion Dublin. That must make them among the best, no? Please lecture me. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by homesteady(m): 9:49am On May 04, 2016 |
diggz:Is this the question I asked? |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nobody: 9:49am On May 04, 2016 |
Nihilist:No sir, I disagree. With respect to talent, you cannot compare Fergie's teams to that of Pep's. Only deluded psychopaths like that ollah will tell you that. Or do you want to start bringing names? Pep has an arguably better side to work with in Bayern thatn Fergie probably ever did, yet he can't get past the semis. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 9:52am On May 04, 2016 |
Eastbay: The simple fact remains that Dwight Yorke was one of the best in the league at the time. The rest of your post is either irrelevant or garbarge. Dwight Yorke was the club record transfer in 1999, for a club that had won the most EPL titles, and finished as the highest goal scorer that year. What should we expect from his manager? 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by A40(m): 9:52am On May 04, 2016 |
Ibime:When is the next time your team is going to be in the Champions League? Do you know? |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 9:59am On May 04, 2016 |
Eastbay: I think your problem is your inability to understand relativity. Ferguson had the best squads in England for much of his career in the EPL. The minimum expectation back then was that Ferguson would win the league. This is a guy that broke the British transfer record at least twice, and Club transfer record several times. This is a guy that managed the most dominant side in EPL history. What else could be the minimum expectation from him. The only argument you could have is the 'shoe get size' argument, by stating that Pep's Barca team was man for man better than Ferguson's Manyoo team, and you would have a point. But we're not comparing Pep to Fergsuon man to man. We're tangentially comparing them in relation to their domestic and european opposition, and the fact remains that both men managed teams that were by far superior to their opposition especially domestically. I can still remember when the EPL was a competition for second place, because it was a foregone conclusion that Manyoo would finish first. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nobody: 9:59am On May 04, 2016 |
Nihilist: Club record transfer now determines who is one of the best players abi? You certainly can do better. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by A40(m): 10:01am On May 04, 2016 |
airmark:You are a m0ron. This fraud of a defender is a World Champion and CL winner. He pressed forward knowing Javi and Alaba were at the back. Abominable bilewu! What did Javi and Alaba do to prevent the pass from getting to Griezmann? Javi that has been playing at CB since 2011/2012 is now a makeshift CB according to your oponu brain. Unku when will you stop being an arindin? 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by diggz: 10:07am On May 04, 2016 |
homesteady: Your objective here is to drag MOU into this, I assume.? If am wrong then,I apologize however,if am right pls my previous qxn still stands. Which is,what has Mou got to do with pep failing to get into the UCL finals after three seasons? Abi na Mou b Bayern coach? |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by pamcode(m): 10:08am On May 04, 2016 |
ollah1:This is wrong in his first spell in Italy(with fiorentina) and Spain(with Valencia) he was successful he won the coppa italia and supercoppa in italy, he also won the Copa del rey in spain. Mind you this were clubs swimming in the bottom half of their divisons before he came. I think he even qualified fiorentina to serie A by winning serie B. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 10:10am On May 04, 2016 |
Eastbay: It's an indication of the club's assessment of the player's ability and worth. The average transfer that season in the EPL cost 3 million pounds(see link below) Are you saying we shouldn't expect a striker that cost 14 million pounds to tear up the league? Ok what should we have expected? http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/transfers/wettbewerb/GB1/plus/?saison_id=1998&s_w=&leihe=0&leihe=1&intern=0&intern=1 |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nobody: 10:12am On May 04, 2016 |
Nihilist:But we're levying the same accusation that were are doing to Pep, aren't we? Nihilist:It wasn't always the case sir. From 2002 down, Fergie's sides were hardly the best on paper in England. In 2003 when United won the league, the perception was that Arsenal lost that title. You would look hard and deep to find a year from then on to say that United had the best squads year to year. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Emaprince: 10:12am On May 04, 2016 |
diggz:you should know how barca fans behave. They'll soon change their attention to real madrid. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by pamcode(m): 10:16am On May 04, 2016 |
Ranieri seems to be quite good at spotting talents and nurturing them. Something Mourinho has been criticised for and Pep praised for. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nobody: 10:18am On May 04, 2016 |
Nihilist:My case in point. He didn't tear up the league except for that season. Even that is up for debate. But we give him a pass. He was not as prolific as you would want me to believe. Transfer fees don't always make you legit. Seba Veron cost United upwards of 28 million pounds, yet he was flogged off after just two seasons. Nihilist, abeg, let's not be going back and forth on this matter. I don't ride the train like you. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 10:23am On May 04, 2016 |
Eastbay: Now you're shifting the argument. You were previously speaking about the league up until 1999 and mentioned players like Stam, Yorke and Blomquist.. hence I also focused on that Era. If we move to the Modern Era, I think that there's still a very good argument that Ferguson had the best squad or at the worst on par with his opposition And anytime there was a better or equal team, Ferguson forfeited the title. Against Jose twice. Against Mancini. Against Ancelotti. I don't think Arsenal had a ever had a better squad than Manyoo as Henry and Viera papered over a lot of cracks in that team IMO. The only time Fergusons squad was weak to me was in his final season. Prior to that Ferguson managed a team that was either the best or one of the best in the league. So what else should we expect from him? 1 Like |
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