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Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by chic2pimp(m): 10:28am On May 04, 2016 |
pamcode: No one Italy views Claudio's time there as a success. He was at best Average. Just because wikipedia says His time in Italy was a success does not mean it was. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 10:29am On May 04, 2016 |
Eastbay: There's no back and forth...the train goes in only one direction. Of course a big money transfer can go on to flop, just like an over hyped bald headed fraud of a manager can also turn out to flop worse than caitlyn jenner's erecttion. The question here was regarding expectation. Should we expect them to flop while managing that array of talent? Ferguson more or less matched up to his expectation. Pep has not. The side debate, yourself and i got into was only because of your post implying that sir rednose was some sort of miracle worker. He wasn't. He managed the one of the biggest teams in the modern era...and he delivered, unlike a bald headed, sweater wearing, team mate slapping, thousand yard staring, catalan fraud. 2 Likes |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by iPopAlomo(m): 10:30am On May 04, 2016 |
raumdeuter: Greece's problem is internal... ever since Ranieri left their national team or got sacked if you may... are they any better today...?! Greece football today is still shite... 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by pamcode(m): 10:31am On May 04, 2016 |
raumdeuter:Here is what Ranieri has to say about that. I find it quite interesting He was sacked on 15November 2014, the day after a UEFA European 2016 qualifying defeat at home against theFaroe Islands. He received an €800,000 severance deal. He reflected in a 2015 interview with the Leicester Mercury: “ I made a mistake when I was manager of Greece. I wanted to look because it is a different job at a club to a national team. I had four matches and for each game I trained the players for just three days. That is 12 days of training. What can I do in just 12 days? I had to rebuild a national team in just 12 days. What could I do? I am not a magician. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nobody: 10:32am On May 04, 2016 |
Nihilist: I made that point in relation to the champions league. You are inferring here. The point is those players were rubbish players and still won the champions league. you can backtrack and read it again. Nihilist:Not always true o. Arsenal's invincibles were better than his squad in 04 and even the year before. Jose's sides of 05 and 06 were better. 07, Fergie added only Carrick. Jose added Shevchenko and Balllack to Lampard, Cole, Drogba, Terry, Cech. I could go on and on. Nihilist:So a side with Pires, Ljumberg, Cole, Campbell and co was weaker than United's side of 2002/3-04? The Invincibles weaker than United at that time? Seriously, are we having this argument? United's team vs Ancelloti in 09-10 had just lost Ronaldo and Tevez and gained Bebe and Valencia. Really? Mancini's sides. Let's not even go there. So again I ask, how were these sides better than the listed foes? 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Eruditor: 10:32am On May 04, 2016 |
Ollah 1, Your level of tolerance is commendable. I have a lot to learn from you. I digress... In the eyes of those who like Chelsea, adore Mou and those in Manchester that he turned down, he is a failure. They have 1 reason to say so, and they will clutch onto it for dear life. There's no point trying to convince them otherwise, as a Lion was created to eat flesh. In otherwords, it is in their nature. Pep will continue to be treated on the side because history needs naysayers to strike a balance. Even if Pep had won a treble with Bayern (I mean the UCL inclusive because he won 4 trophies his first season) they would have said he wasn't special because Jupp had already done it. If he had won it by beating everyone else 5goals per game, it would've been the same conclusion. So don't expect them to change their opinions now that he was KOed in his 4th consecutive Semis (adding his last season with Barca). For some of them it is light banter, and for others, sheer hatred because when he is juxtaposed with their beloved, he defecates on him- a man who was fully on his way to relegating previous champs. As an admirer of him, I wished he delivered the UCL to Bayern because a great majority of the fans and executives alike believed in him and wanted him to stay. It will probably haunt him for years, but then again it might be the motivation he needs to succeed at City. At the end of the day, he is taking over a City side that are 13pts behind the champs, 4th on the log, lacking in confidence, Carling cup champs as well as in the semis of the UCL. So that posterity will judge those who will later claim that anything he achieves there could have been achieved by anybody else. What am I even saying? They will still conclude that. 2 Likes |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by pamcode(m): 10:38am On May 04, 2016 |
chic2pimp:Oh common. Overall his first spell in Italy was above average to me and for someone that had to start from serie B that success for me. Besides i just wanted the ollah guy to know ranieri wasn't a flop as he would have us believe. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by diggz: 10:43am On May 04, 2016 |
Eruditor: Omo mehn.....! Are u seriously trying to create an outlet for pep should he fail at city? Please, City have the best squad in the league and that's a fact. Pep will be going to a club with infinite amount of money to spend should he even decide to buy the genius he created,he won't have problem with cash. So all those 13points blah blah blah shyyyyte ain't going to work braaaah.! Plus posterity will remember him going to a club where he will get a soft landing. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nobody: 10:49am On May 04, 2016 |
Nihilist: I think this argument is one of perception. You see it from the point of view that a manager with resources should win. But you and I know it always doesn't work out that way. Pep inherited a treble winning squad and has not equaled the feat of his predecessor, which leads many to ask if he would have won if he didn't have the talent at his disposal in the first place. As a United fan in the past I have queried how some players found their way into United. Fergie has managed some of the worst players I have ever seen (Djemba Djemba, Bellion, Bebe, Richardson, to name a few) yet they have one sort of medal or the other. I have often wondered how John O'Shea and Fletcher and Wes Brown have several league titles and have managed to carve out long careers. That's the point I have been trying to pass across. Fergie met United on its knees. As much as you may not like him, you have to agree that he did transform the side. No one is calling him the modern day re-incarnation of a divine being. I'm only saying he can't be termed a failure. 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 10:51am On May 04, 2016 |
Eastbay: I don't need to back track, I read it first time, and called it out as BS. Ok lets look at Manyoo's 1999 squad. It contained: Gary Neville(PFA Team of the year 1999) David Beckham(2nd best player of the year world AND Europe 1999) Dwight Yorke(Club record transfer and league golden boot winner 1999) Peter Schmeichel( UEFA keeper of the year 1998) Andy Cole(2nd highest goal scorer in the league 1999) Roy Keane Ryan Giggs Paul Scholes Jaap Stam( UEFA Best defender in Europe 1999) Yeah this team was really rubbish, and could not have been reasonable expected to win domestically and in Europe. ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by lekkie073(m): 10:54am On May 04, 2016 |
Eruditor:the moment someone sets a high standard, he would continually be judged with such. imagine guardiola winning two ucl in 3 yrs with barca.....any big team dat request for his services will believe dat he can at least give them one ucl trophy within a period of 3yrs given his past exploits in d competition. the moment he cant live up to that, then he is just like others, not better. bayern munich just won the ucl before he took over. it is believed dat with such a good team coupled with his own managerial prowess he should be able to win d ucl again within 3 yrs but alas! he couldnt even get to one final ![]() now dat he is going to mancity....if within his time in mancity he fails to take them to at least one ucl final, then he has failed again because before he took over mancity reached a semi final and it wont just do for him to manage the same mancity and continously get sent out before the final. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 10:55am On May 04, 2016 |
Eastbay: When you have world class players, you can afford to carry some dross. It sill doesnt make your team rubbish. Barca carried Valdes and Pinto for years. Carried Pedro. And are carrying Shakira's wife ![]() They were/are still the best team in the world. 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by sebod(m): 11:04am On May 04, 2016 |
Nihilist:A Man U fan called the collection of the players above rubbish in a bid to pass a message across, and no Man U fan is ready to correct him. SMH. Should we assume he's speaking the mind of all United fans? ![]() Nihilist, I dey feel you jor! 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by lekkie073(m): 11:06am On May 04, 2016 |
sebod:he didnt call them rubbish...many of them r just a bit above average.... |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nobody: 11:17am On May 04, 2016 |
Eruditor Thanks boss |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by sebod(m): 11:29am On May 04, 2016 |
lekkie073: I believe we are both following the debate and it's interesting I must say. But for the records, can you please tell the players that were a bit above average so as to have a reference point in case such players are debated in the future? |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Eruditor: 11:30am On May 04, 2016 |
diggz: There is no outlet to be created. If Pep doesn't win 2 UCLs in 3 seasons at Manchester city he will be judged a failure. City have one of the best squads. I know you want to raise moot points but Chelsea's squad was as good when the season started. But you lot quickly shifted gear when Mou was on his "relegate-Chelsea-by-all-means" campaign. Chelsea, United are as infinite in spending as City. This is a fact as well. At the end of the day, you are confirming all I already said: Did Pep underachieve in Europe? Yes. At least he should have made one final, particularly this one. But even if he made 1 final would you give him credit? No. You will say there is nothing special because Jupp and LVG did it. After all, you (using it loosely)said the same about Rijkaard's Barca and Pep's. In conclusion, Pep will never be good enough for you because you are predisposed to dislike him- which is fair. But is his record better than Beloved Mou? Your guess is as good as mine. 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by sebod(m): 11:42am On May 04, 2016 |
Eruditor:Yet, many of these guys wanted him to join their club. Pep is a victim of his own standard. 2 Likes |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Eruditor: 11:49am On May 04, 2016 |
lekkie073: Let him be judged by others, but let it be fair. How does a manager improve on a treble winning season? At least with LVG there was a motivation to win it in 2010-11. Same as Jupp in 2013-14. But with Pep 2014-15, how would he have improved? So any manager that got to 3 consecutive semis with Leeds in the UCL would have been normal because 1 had done so before that manager? So if City wins the UCL this year how would Pep improve on them? To win it back to back to back? Come on! People say any manager can win anything with Bayern but Klinsmann failed. Bayern have been so dominant in Germany for years yet this is the first time they would win 4 Bundesliga titles in a row. The point I am trying to make is it is not as easy as people are trying to make it look. Pep did well above average because Bayern competed each year he was there. When you get to the semis, you'd need serendipity. Even on examining ATM vs Barca and ATM vs Bayern, it is clear which team was better this year. I don't know how true, but I read that Simeone said this Bayern squad was the most difficult to play in all his career as a manager. 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by airmark(m): 12:10pm On May 04, 2016 |
A40: What was javi martinez natural position? Answer me, without using those crammed meaningless words like ''apoche cra cra'' . It's a coach like pep that will use a striker as defender permanently because of his belief in his team's seamless pressing that would n't make opponents lift a hand. The result is what you got yesterday. If benatia was available would pep have used javi yesterday as CB? For your info, the first game javi played for bayern he played as a midfielder in that 2011/2012, that time may be you were still kissing arsene wenger's azz and was n't aware what was happening at your back in munich. you can ask dayo your boss questions, communication should be both ways, it shouldn't be only him giving you orders when to talk. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nobody: 12:17pm On May 04, 2016 |
Eruditor:
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Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by diggz: 12:18pm On May 04, 2016 |
Eruditor: It is so annoying when you choose to be a mind reader instead of just stating you point braaah.....! It is really disgusting I must say,jeez....! Secondly,stop this useless dragging of names into this discuss abeg! What is this ![]() I am of the opinion you should go check CFCs transfer dealings for the last two seasons lemme see if you will come back spreading same lies....! Back to the discuss at hand. I will like to state clearly here,I do not have anything against pep. You can go back a page or two to see my post after yesterdays game however, I do have issues with the myth surrounding him. I and a barca fan had a bet the order day on this same thread. We agreed to wait till he finishes is tenure at Mancity before we can draw our conclusions. I proposed those terms and will still want to wait till he his through with is tenure at city. So my thoughts are this; Pep failed at Bayern but,I am willing to wait till after city before I give my judgement on him as a coach. Simples..! 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 12:23pm On May 04, 2016 |
Yet Simeone beat Pep. ![]() Pep is not a victim of his own standards anything. Hes a victim of his own hype. The only stage of the competition where Pep has met his 'mates' is at the Semi-finals. Should we really be praising Pep as a genius for beating lille, bate borsov, Arsenal and Mancity? He has better squads than those teams, and should be reasonable expected to beat them. When he faces teams like Madrid and Bayern(ironically) who are more or less even from a technical standpoint, or Atletico Madrid and Chelsea who are more or less even from a tactical standpoint, he falters. These are the games where the manager cant rely on having a superior team to his opponents, but instead must out think his opposition. And he has failed every single time for the last four years. So what other conclusion should we draw? Pep is a genius for beating Viktoria Plzen and Bate Borisov? With Robben and Messi? Na wa o. 5 Likes |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nobody: 12:24pm On May 04, 2016 |
Nihilist:It's now convenient to call Pedro rubbish. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nobody: 12:26pm On May 04, 2016 |
lekkie073:I guess it's safe to say that people have basic comprehension. When it was being taught in school, some folks were busy trying to look at girl's pants. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nobody: 12:28pm On May 04, 2016 |
Nihilist:Oga nobody called them rubbish. If one begins to hype the above-listed players, will you stake your credibility and concur? to make matters worse, you are still harping on this club transfer thing. I tire abeg. And for the umpteenth time, the discussion was never about the league. You have smuggled it into the argument and feeling like a boss. Please get that clear, or is that one now going to be similar to the United team of 2003/4 being superior to Arsenal's Invincibles? |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nobody: 12:31pm On May 04, 2016 |
diggz:All these Jedi wannabes. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nihilist: 12:34pm On May 04, 2016 |
Eastbay: Your very own words were: Eastbay:Or was your account hacked like teebillz to write this? So it begs the question, how could it be that these so called "rubbish players" were actually highly decorated at that particular time in point? Instead of you to just admit your gaffe, you wanted to start chatting even more bollocks. You mean the highest goal scorer that season and record signing was rubbish that same season? 2nd best player in the world that season was rubbish? Uefa best defender that year was rubbish? 1 Like |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by diggz: 12:35pm On May 04, 2016 |
Eastbay: Which one be jedi wannabes again eastbay? Who u even dey tasi sef,hope no be me o!? ![]() |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nobody: 12:37pm On May 04, 2016 |
Nihilist: Who was I referring to? Jesper Blomqvist and Ronnie Johnsen was whom I was referring to. And on the issue of chatting bollocks, I think you've had your own fair share already. Do we need to get into the Fergie vs Invincibles claim or that Dwight Yorke was the best in his league? Nihilist:If I haven't seen nonsense before, I just did. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by Nobody: 12:37pm On May 04, 2016 |
diggz:Na mind-reader I dey refer to. No be you o. I no want trouble. |
Re: Offical Bayern Munich Fan Thread: 6x Champions Of Europe by diggz: 12:40pm On May 04, 2016 |
Eastbay: Just kidding bro. Which one b say u no want trouble sir ? Na me b trouble b dat Oga Eastbay ![]() |
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