freecocoa:
You people sincerely amaze me with how you understand things.

The funniest bit is painting a picture to make it look like I'm putting women in a box and saying they have no value, if you understood that each individual is unique, you wouldn't be asking stupid questions in the first place, so why should I allow myself be dragged into whatever you lot have going? like awesomeness or the opposite of it, is gender specific.


The fact that you feel the need to constantly judge people based on your idea of morality, says a lot about you as a person, then you go and say not to be antagonistic afterwards, aren't you a model human? Crack I don't want to go down this road with you, so let's leave it the way it is.

I wasn't painting any picture cocoa, you painted it yourself by assuming there is nothing special associated with being raised by a woman...and no, I don't judge you either - never have.
I only banter with you to understand your POV as well as catch my fun, lol... It's not that serious.

shaybebaby:

Everyone brings what is uniquely theirs to parenting. I am a woman and I can tell you that even though I share gender with other women, that does not mean we parent the same way.
Same for men, it depends on what you feel is important and that is what you impart on your kids.
Trust me on this, parenthood has less to do with what dangles or not between your legs and more to do with your heart. The only thing limiting anyone is their mind.

Ps, asides from boobies feeding, men can do everything else. Breastfeeding itself is a choice thing sef, when formula Dey. And if the woman has inverted nip nips where the baby cannot latch, no be bottle Wey papa fit use she go use?

And if na her papa raise her, I think he's done a fine job. I like the sound of the person she has become. And to prove you wrong, my father didn't raise me..died ages ago.

So here you are, two people with possibly different upbringing but to a large extent, share similar views.

Seen

So here we have it;

1. Two adult and consenting men professing love for each other, must be allowed to formalise their union as a marriage - if they so desire. Why 3 adult, consenting men in love, wanting to formalise their relationship does not qualify is not explained

2. Those 2 men have a right to start a family and procure children using any means available. It’s their right, and being humane (and non-discriminatory) demands it. The attendant rights of the vulnerable “non-consenting” children to be raised by their biological parents is a mute point and humanness does not extend to them .

3. “Relatedness” in the form of family bonds (immediate & generational), extended kinship ties and bloodlines are not important – and certainly not in regards to 1 & 2 above – and their wilful truncation has no immediate or lasting impact on the childs long-term well-being.

4. Females, indeed, neither sex, bring anything unique, or of distinct value to nurturing children, and genetic investment by a parent counts for little or nothing.

5. The only thing that counts is the "uniqueness of the individual". However, being male or female, which is fundamental to every person, doesn’t influence or factor into that persons unique individuality? It must really take a special degree of delusion to have come up with that.

So, to make the relationship of two same sex partners the same as an opposite sex couple, and qualify as a family, analogous to what the natural family of an opposite sex couple would be, all the particulars of actually being a family must be deemed as inconsequential. Indeed, apart from actual childbirth, all the particulars of being either male or female must be considered immaterial.

The child once treasured as the procreative outcome of the natural family, is now the realisation of a couples vanity. Instead of arriving by the generative coupling of committed parents, it is procured by a series of legal and technological interventions.

Una do well 0. I sense the doctrine of demons - strong delusion. And if the delusion is of God, who will deliver you? You shall surely eat the fruit of it. And those that applaud it will be judged as those that do it.


TV

THOSE THAT APPLAUDE IT SHALL BE JUDGED SS THOSE THAT DO IT
truer words have never been said

TV01:
So here we have it;

1. Two adult and consenting men professing love for each other, must be allowed to formalise their union as a marriage - if they so desire. Why 3 adult, consenting men in love, wanting to formalise their relationship does not qualify is not explained

2. Those 2 men have a right to start a family and procure children using any means available. It’s their right, and being humane (and non-discriminatory) demands it. The attendant rights of the vulnerable “non-consenting” children to be raised by their biological parents is a mute point and humanness does not extend to them .

3. “Relatedness” in the form of family bonds (immediate & generational), extended kinship ties and bloodlines are not important – and certainly not in regards to 1 & 2 above – and their wilful truncation has no immediate or lasting impact on the childs long-term well-being.

4. Females, indeed, neither sex, bring anything unique, or of distinct value to nurturing children, and genetic investment by a parent counts for little or nothing.

5. The only thing that counts is the "uniqueness of the individual". However, being male or female, which is fundamental to every person, doesn’t influence or factor into that persons unique individuality? It must really take a special degree of delusion to have come up with that.

So, to make the relationship of two same sex partners the same as an opposite sex couple, and qualify as a family, analogous to what the natural family of an opposite sex couple would be, all the particulars of actually being a family must be deemed as inconsequential. Indeed, apart from actual childbirth, all the particulars of being either male or female must be considered immaterial.

The child once treasured as the procreative outcome of the natural family, is now the realisation of a couples vanity. Instead of arriving by the generative coupling of committed parents, it is procured by a series of legal and technological interventions.

Una do well 0. I sense the doctrine of demons - strong delusion. And if the delusion is of God, who will deliver you? You shall surely eat the fruit of it. And those that applaud it will be judged as those that do it.


TV

Better go present yourself to the UK authorities( shebi na here you dey) and spout all your gibberish ofcourse citing god as the basis of your homophobia.
Come back and relate your experience on here. Fookin keyboard warrior, don't just be loud and righteous in your indignation on cyberspace, preach it loudly, storm Westminster.
Go on, I dare you.

crackhaus:

I wasn't painting any picture cocoa, you painted it yourself by assuming there is nothing special associated with being raised by a woman...and no, I don't judge you either - never have.
I only banter with you to understand your POV as well as catch my fun, lol... It's not that serious.

Please tell me crackhaus, why I should group women as a whole in this context, when every woman's method of raising a child is different, also tell me, if there's a particular thing that women do, besides breastfeeding, that can't be done by a man, I also beg you to tell me, if there's a particular characteristic possessed by only women. Is gender personality innate or learned?


Well, when you start talking about my parents and how you think I was raised, that is you crossing a line. Talking about the possibility of my mum not being all that to me, what does that even mean?

freecocoa:
Please tell me crackhaus, why I should group women as a whole in this context, when every woman's method of raising a child is different, also tell me, if there's a particular thing that women do, besides breastfeeding, that can't be done by a man, I also beg you to tell me, if there's a particular characteristic possessed by only women. Is gender personality innate or learned?


[s]Well, when you start talking about my parents and how you think I was raised, that is you crossing a line. Talking about the possibility of my mum not being all that to me, what does that even mean? [/s]

Lol, you're even giving me more weak points to feed and chew on...but I'll hold back so I don't type the thing that will make you want to strike your phone on my account.

1. Of course not, there's no particular thing women do in raising children besides brea.stfeeding. √

2. Of course not, there's no particular trait or characteristic possessed only by women when it comes to raising children. √

3. Gender personality is learned of course, when children are born they're all the same. √

4. @striked out bit, move on girl - you had a great childhood and upbringing, I apologize for insinuating otherwise. √

freecocoa:
Please tell me crackhaus, why I should group women as a whole in this context, when every woman's method of raising a child is different, also tell me, if there's a particular thing that women do, besides breastfeeding, that can't be done by a man, I also beg you to tell me, if there's a particular characteristic possessed by only women. Is gender personality innate or learned?


Well, when you start talking about my parents and how you think I was raised, that is you crossing a line. Talking about the possibility of my mum not being all that to me, what does that even mean?

Most of the guys you've been arguing back and forth with on this issue have been very lenient with your assertions. I watched from the sides with anguish as you get away with many misapprehensions.

Let me pick from your words as highlighted by me:

Child nurturing is womanhood. It doesn't matter what feminist theory you take your concept from.

When a young girl starts seeing and managing her menses from as early as age 9 or 13, that's motherhood knocking at her door of preparedness. How well she is able to manage her hygiene with her menstrual pad will be a major factor in deciding how well she'll raise and manage her children during an after their infancy.

Every hormonal change, stress and discomfort she will undergo during her pregnancy is nature preparing her for motherhood. She'd have been well trained to wakeup during the dead of the night to feed her baby. And all these preparation and traits are innate. The few that are learned are very gender specific.


One of the chief aim of feminism is chaos and disorderliness. Trying hard to erase the huge gender divide isn't just unnatural, it is satanic. Gender misidentification is mistaken for gender equality. And the end result is societal confusion.

crackhaus:

Lol, you're even giving me more weak points to feed and chew on...but I'll hold back so I don't type the thing that will make you want to strike your phone on my account.

1. Of course not, there's no particular thing women do in raising children besides brea.stfeeding. √

2. Of course not, there's no particular trait or characteristic possessed only by women when it comes to raising children. √

3. Gender personality is learned of course, when children are born they're all the same. √

4. @striked out bit, move on girl - you had a great childhood and upbringing, I apologize for insinuating otherwise. √

There's no need to be that way, If I give you weak points I expect you to chew on them, just be civil is all I ask.

You must admit that I do banter and with you too, so it's not like I'm asking you not to play with me, I'm just saying we should recognise there is a line.

TV01:
So here we have it;

1. Two adult and consenting men professing love for each other, must be allowed to formalise their union as a marriage - if they so desire. Why 3 adult, consenting men in love, wanting to formalise their relationship does not qualify is not explained

2. Those 2 men have a right to start a family and procure children using any means available. It’s their right, and being humane (and non-discriminatory) demands it. The attendant rights of the vulnerable “non-consenting” children to be raised by their biological parents is a mute point and humanness does not extend to them .

3. “Relatedness” in the form of family bonds (immediate & generational), extended kinship ties and bloodlines are not important – and certainly not in regards to 1 & 2 above – and their wilful truncation has no immediate or lasting impact on the childs long-term well-being.

4. Females, indeed, neither sex, bring anything unique, or of distinct value to nurturing children, and genetic investment by a parent counts for little or nothing.

5. The only thing that counts is the "uniqueness of the individual". However, being male or female, which is fundamental to every person, doesn’t influence or factor into that persons unique individuality? It must really take a special degree of delusion to have come up with that.

So, to make the relationship of two same sex partners the same as an opposite sex couple, and qualify as a family, analogous to what the natural family of an opposite sex couple would be, all the particulars of actually being a family must be deemed as inconsequential. Indeed, apart from actual childbirth, all the particulars of being either male or female must be considered immaterial.

The child once treasured as the procreative outcome of the natural family, is now the realisation of a couples vanity. Instead of arriving by the generative coupling of committed parents, it is procured by a series of legal and technological interventions.

Una do well 0. I sense the doctrine of demons - strong delusion. And if the delusion is of God, who will deliver you? You shall surely eat the fruit of it. And those that applaud it will be judged as those that do it.


TV

1. It wasn't explained because no explanation could be thought of.

2. Yea, those children have no right to give their consent - after all, they're naught but children, they will learn to live with their circumstance. Humanity cannot be put in question regarding the mental and psychological well-being of the innocent kid(s).

3. 'Relatedness', bloodlines, and family bonds are highly overrated. Who needs blood relations?

4. Nothing wrong in two men raising a kid and certainly nothing wrong in two women raising a kid. There's nothing special about having a male dad or a female mother as nature designed.
All we need is love and love conquers all.

5. Nothing unique being a female or being a male, both can interchange roles effectively and there'd be no difference whatsoever.


Lol @doctrines of demons, a little over the top I surmise.
Doctrines of misguided and brainwashed homo sapiens (AKA America is always right) who through no fault of theirs know no better - this I presume to be a more apt submission.

God I so much love the Chinese and the Russians - if only Africans could think and be more like them, who knows, we may yet toll the path of greatness.

freecocoa:
There's no need to be that way, If I give you weak points I expect you to chew on them, just be civil is all I ask.

You must admit that I do banter and with you too, so it's not like I'm asking you not to play with me, I'm just saying we should recognise there is a line.

Okay o..

We will meet on another topic to banter......with civility

postmann:


Most of the guys you've been arguing back and forth with on this issue have been very lenient with your assertions. I watched from the sides with anguish as you get away with many misapprehensions.

Let me pick from your words as highlighted by me:

Child nurturing is womanhood. It doesn't matter what feminist theory you take your concept from.

When a young girl starts seeing and managing her menses from as early as age 9 or 13, that's motherhood knocking at her door of preparedness. How well she is able to manage her hygiene with her menstrual pad will be a major factor in deciding how well she'll raise and manage her children during an after their infancy.

Every hormonal change, stress and discomfort she will undergo during her pregnancy is nature preparing her for motherhood. She'd have been well trained to wakeup during the dead of the night to feed her baby. And all these preparation and traits are innate. The few that are learned are very gender specific.


One of the chief aim of feminism is chaos and disorderliness. Trying hard to erase the huge gender divide isn't just unnatural, it is satanic. Gender misidentification is mistaken for gender equality. And the end result is societal confusion.

What you just did, is say what you think, which unfortunately for you, doesn't make it fact.

How to change pad and be hygienic is innate, being able to wake up at night is innate, do you even hear yourself? Mschew.

crackhaus:

Okay o..

We will meet on another topic to banter......with civility

No be if e go gree you, very annoying somebody like you.

freecocoa:
What you just did, is say what you think, which unfortunately for you, doesn't it make it fact.

How to change pad and be hygienic is innate, being able to wake up at night is innate, do you even hear yourself? Mschew.

Okay, I see I struck a core. For the first time I watch you spew some incoherent garbage.

postmann:



Okay, I see I struck a core. For the first time I watch you spew some incoherent garbage.

O boy you move along, your case no even follow.

Talking about menstrual hygiene being linked to ability to care for and manage children. Just go abeg, I can't deal.

freecocoa:
O boy you move along, your case no even follow.

Talking about menstrual hygiene being linked to ability to care for and manage children. Just go abeg, I can't deal.

It is amazing how the two correlate nah. I must applaud his powers of deduction.

freecocoa:
O boy you move along, your case no even follow.

Talking about menstrual hygiene being linked to ability to care for and manage children. Just go abeg, I can't deal.

I didn't think you could. Not a chance! I didn't come to make it easy for you. You needed a hard knock. And that's what I just served you.

Your reaction fell within the scope of my prediction.

shaybebaby:

It is amazing how the two correlate nah. I must applaud his powers of deduction.

The things I've seen on here, my lawd!.

freecocoa:
No be if e go gree you, very annoying somebody like you .

Every single lady who's said that to me ended up dating me.
Na internet anonymity dey save you so, you for be feeling a nigga by now..

Fatherhood can change a man's life. It also changes his brain, in ways that it seems to equip dads with the very same "baby sense" that's often attributed to moms.

From an animal kingdom perspective, human dads are unusual. They belong to a group of less than 6 percent of mammal species in which fathers play a significant role in rearing offspring. In these species, paternal care often involves the same behaviors as maternal care, with the exception of nursing. [History's 12 Most Doting Dads]

But how does fatherhood change a man's brain? Science has only recently delved into the neural and hormonal mechanisms of paternal care, but so far the evidence suggests that mothers' and fathers' brains use a similar neural circuitry when taking care of their children. Moms and dads also undergo similar hormonal changes that are linked to their brain and behavior changes.

Here are five ways men's brains change when they become fathers:

Dad's brain looks like mom's

Taking care of a child reshapes a dad's brain, causing it to show the same patterns of cognitive and emotional engagement that are seen in moms.

In one recent study, researchers looked at brain activity in 89 new parents as they watched videos, including some that featured the parents' own children. The study examined mothers who were their children's primary caregivers, fathers who helped with childcare and gay fathers who raised a child without a woman in the picture.

All three groups of parents showed activation of brain networks linked to emotional processing and social understanding, according to the findings published May 27 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. In particular, fathers who were their children's primary caregivers showed the kind of activation in emotional processing seen mostly in primary caregiver moms. The results suggest there's a parenting brain network common to both sexes.

Dads experience hormonal changes, too

Pregnancy, childbirth and breastfeeding all cause hormonal changes in mothers. However, researchers have found that men also undergo hormonal changes when they become fathers.

Studies in animals and people show that new fathers experience an increase in the hormones estrogen, oxytocin, prolactin and glucocorticoids, according to a recent review of studies by psychologist Elizabeth Gould and colleagues from Princeton University. [Men vs. Women: Our Key Physical Differences]

Contact with the mother and children seem to induce the hormonal changes in dads, the researchers said. In humans, dads who show more affection toward their children also tend to have higher levels of oxytocin, the researchers said.

The effects of fatherhood on testosterone levels are less clear. Human dads show a decrease in testosterone, which researchers say may work to make the fathers less aggressive and bring them closer to their children. But some rodent dads show an increase in testosterone, which is possibly linked to their heightened protective behaviors.

It remains unclear to what degree such changes in testosterone are the cause or the result of different parenting behaviors, the researchers said.

"Nevertheless, infant contact itself seems to modulate endocrine systems and activate neural circuitry in fathers in a manner that is strikingly similar to that in mothers," [/b]the researchers wrote in their study, published in October 2010, in the journal Trends in Neurosciences.

A puff of oxytocin boosts dad-baby bond

Although dads who participate in childcare show an increase in oxytocin levels, the reverse also occurs; the hormone seems to increase childcare behavior. In a recent study, researchers found that sniffing a dose of the "cuddle hormone" gets fathers more engaged while playing with their kids, and their children are more responsive in return.

Does this mean an oxytocin spray makes a good Father's Day gift? Not yet. The researchers warned that the hormone has a variety of effects on behavior, and not all of them are positive.

[b]New neurons in dad's brain

Fatherhood also affects dads at the neuronal level. The birth of a child seems to induce development of new neurons in the brain of fathers, at least in animal studies.

Researchers say that these new neurons may develop in response to what the scientists call environmental richness, that is, the new dimension that a child brings into the life of a dad.

Studies have found that voles that met up with their pups showed increased cell growth in the hippocampus region of the brain, which is linked to memory and navigation. Other studies have found that new neurons in the olfactory regions of the brain enable father mice to recognize their pups.

Dads are sensitive to their children's voices

Although it is generally thought that a "maternal instinct" makes moms incredibly good at picking out their baby's unique cry, a recent study suggests that, in fact, dads are just as good as moms.

To compare parents' performance in baby-cry detection, researchers asked 27 fathers and 29 mothers to pick out their babies' cries, from among the cries of five infants. On average, parents were able to detect their babies' cries about 90 percent of the time, and men did just as well as women.

- See more at: http://www.livescience.com/46322-fatherhood-changes-brain.html#sthash.euG67DNa.dpuf


sorry, the naysayers were saying...?

^^^
Single fatherhood all the way then...
Who wouldn't want a child minus the nagging, neediness, and stress of having to satisfy a woman's unlimited desires for the rest of one's life.

postmann:



I didn't think you could. Not a chance! I didn't come to make it easy for you. You needed a hard knock. And that's what I just served you.

Your reaction fell within the scope of my prediction.

Easy ke, you sound like someone with no brain power, whatsoever, just how does menstrual hygiene determine ability to manage children? Dude sorry.

crackhaus:

Every single lady who's said that to me ended up dating me.
Na internet anonymity dey save you so, you for be feeling a nigga by now..

Duh! You don't annoy me like that.

freecocoa:
Easy ke, you sound like someone with no brain power, whatsoever, just how does menstrual hygiene determine ability to manage children? Dude sorry.

You know Feminists have short brain elasticity. They are much prone to divert to a shorter course and quicker means to meet their selfish desires.

They make terrible mothers too. As they can't bear to correlate the amazing bond between mother and child.
To them children are a hindrance to achieving career and other ambitious objectives.

You know, funnily, having visited a number of US and European forums, I find that peeps there do not defend these obnoxious ways of life vehemently as if their lives depend on them as is obtainable here on nairaland. As a matter of fact a significant number of them oppose these lifestyles and those who do not are willing to jump to the other side if presented with superior logic. (Lets be honest guys, TVs logic and argument are superior and clear enough for anyone to comprehend, unless of course you are up to some mischief )
What goes on nairaland, and on this thread in particular, is a case of some people trying to be more Catholic than the pope.
I feel for them, really.

crackhaus:
Nothing wrong in two men raising a kid and certainly nothing wrong in two women raising a kid. There's nothing special about having a male dad or a female mother as nature designed.
All we need is love and love conquers all.

Dunno Cracky? Is it me? Have I been remiss, could all the worlds problems be solved GDT reductionism? Maybe my "lived experience" is deceiving me ?

Raising a child is just breast-feeding and changing nappies? Why wasn't I told this. Why is my 4 year old, who is no longer does, nor needs either of those still under my roof? Raising a child is just a list of chores. Feed them, dress them, pay their nursery fees.

There is nothing on the developmental side that the uniqueness of the sexes helps to formulate and develop along the correct pathways? After all, boys lacking affirmation by their fathers, hasn't been implicated in some instances of SSA by men.

The different ways that mothers and fathers engage - even when it on the exact same thing - the children, and each other doesn't help form a balanced understanding and correct psychological/psychosexual development in the children.

Or perhaps the studies showing that young women are less likely to engage in early sexual conduct or be promiscuous if there is a father present through her pubescent years are all wrong.

When it's been shown that even babies can identify the differences between the sexes as early as 8 weeks old? How ironic is it that some reach the age of majority and more and still can't see it .

Either I have missed it somewhat, or this is exactly the kind of cretinous over-simplification one would expect from a GDT' who can't hold a marriage together over 2 semesters, and will joyfully subject her offspring to abuse in pursuit of happiness.



TV

freecocoa:
Duh! You don't annoy me like that.

We shall shoon shee

crackhaus:
^^^
Single fatherhood all the way then...
Who wouldn't want a child minus the nagging, neediness, and stress of having to satisfy a woman's unlimited desires for the rest of one's life.

One emotionally well adjusted parent who would do the utmost for their child is better than two maladjusted and indifferent ones.
Two well adjusted people (irrespective of gender)who love the child in their care, simply double the love for the kid.

So if remaining a bachelor would alleviate the mental stress you associate with women and makes you better equipped, carry go. Happy parent=happy child

postmann:


You know Feminists have short brain elasticity. They are much prone to divert to a shorter course and quicker means to meet their selfish desires.

They make terrible mothers too. As they can't bear to correlate the amazing bond between mother and child.
To them children are a hindrance to achieving career and other ambitious objectives.

Hahaha, if only you knew.

See your life? Every feminist is a career woman, just see who I'm supposed to engage in an intelligent discourse.

crackhaus:

We shall shoon shee

We shall.

Btw where are my loves 5minsmadness and Tim?

TV01:

Dunno Cracky? Is it me? Have I been remiss, could all the worlds problems be solved GDT reductionism? Maybe my "lived experience" is deceiving me ?

Raising a child is just breast-feeding and changing nappies? Why wasn't I told this. Why is my 4 year old, who is no longer does, nor needs either of those still under my roof? Raising a child is just a list of chores. Feed them, dress them, pay their nursery fees?

There is nothing on the developmental side that the uniqueness of the sexes helps to formulate and develop along the correct pathways? After all, boys lacking affirmation by their fathers, hasn't been implicated in some instances of SSA by men.

The different ways that mothers and fathers engage - even when it on the exact same thing - the children, and each other doesn't help form a balanced understanding and correct psychological/psychosexual development in the children.

Or perhaps the studies showing that young women are less likely to engage in early sexual conduct or be promiscuous if there is a father present through her pubescent years are all wrong?

When it's been shown that even babies can identify the differences between the sexes as early as 8 weeks old? How ironic is it that some reach the age of majority and more and still can't see it .

Either I have missed it somewhat, or this is exactly the kind of cretinous over-simplification one would expect from a GDT' who can't hold a marriage together over 2 semesters, and will joyfully subject her offspring to abuse in pursuit of happiness.



TV

You missed nothing as far as this issue is concerned, it is most definitely an over-simplification or more likely put, a total distortion - but God forbid some people get to realize this...

TV01:

Dunno Cracky? Is it me? Have I been remiss, could all the worlds problems be solved GDT reductionism? Maybe my "lived experience" is deceiving me ?

Raising a child is just breast-feeding and changing nappies? Why wasn't I told this. Why is my 4 year old, who is no longer does, nor needs either of those still under my roof? Raising a child is just a list of chores. Feed them, dress them, pay their nursery fees?

There is nothing on the developmental side that the uniqueness of the sexes helps to formulate and develop along the correct pathways? After all, boys lacking affirmation by their fathers, hasn't been implicated in some instances of SSA by men.

The different ways that mothers and fathers engage - even when it on the exact same thing - the children, and each other doesn't help form a balanced understanding and correct psychological/psychosexual development in the children.

Or perhaps the studies showing that young women are less likely to engage in early sexual conduct or be promiscuous if there is a father present through her pubescent years are all wrong?

When it's been shown that even babies can identify the differences between the sexes as early as 8 weeks old? How ironic is it that some reach the age of majority and more and still can't see it .

Either I have missed it somewhat, or this is exactly the kind of cretinous over-simplification one would expect from a GDT' who can't hold a marriage together over 2 semesters, and will joyfully subject her offspring to abuse in pursuit of happiness.



TV

Call social services nah, . You and I are not in Nigeria where there isn't suitable child protection laws. Whilst we are it, we can examine you too Mr two-parent-household. We will see if this is a prerequisite for raising well adjusted children.
Again, you are being challenged..I dare you.(weak ass pvssy)