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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by troubleshooter: 9:08am On Apr 20, 2016 |
Buildertobadt: God bless u sir. Ur view is largely heart warming. If the Op had half of ur caution, maturity & broad-mindedness, it wld hav been a better informative thread. I wld hav loved entering this thread to see a healthy and balanced critique of the building industry and its attendant issues in Nigeria. Not the pillorying of one of its many professions in isolation. Pity! 2 Likes |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by tushbobo(m): 12:32pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Most people want designs for free or next to nothing. They will prefer to give an inexperienced person or a student to do their building design. When they get to construction stage they will spend far much more than they would have due to rework. Then the 'Architect' is to blame. Which Architect if I may ask? There is a process to everything, don't come crying when you ignore the process and the negative results start to show. Get a good and experienced architect,negotiate to get your design done and you will save yourself a lot of time,energy and money while on site. 1 Like |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Xtopher123(m): 11:06am On Apr 21, 2016 |
In as much as what the OP is saying might be true, but I Disagree with his sentiment, no reasonable Architect would ma those mistakes he mentioned, I'm an Architect in the making and I've come to realise that Our structural engineers in Nigeria are Lazy and don't want to be given tasking jobs. A Senior Architect once told me - If you cannot design what an Engineer cannot build thn youre not an Architect.. Op there is nothing that cannot be built, it's a matter of the type of material being used,ost engineers only think of the Conventional Concrete and steel forgetting that the world has gone beyond that.. Browse and search for Architect Pier Liungi Nervi, his works would explain better , he did a lot of designs people/structural Engineers thought would never stand, but he built them because he had knowledge of Structures I once asked a Structural Engineer if he could span a cantilever of 30m, his response almost made me weep for Engineers, He said 'How do you expect to span a cantilever over a plot of land? And I was baffled, Most of the Stadiums you watch on TV are actually spanning more than that.. And yet a so called structural Engineer said it's not possible.. As far as I'm concerned I would not let any Engineer interfere with my design, whatever he can't achieve, some else would 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Xtopher123(m): 11:19am On Apr 21, 2016 |
AreOnaKakanfo: I see nothing wrong with that design Wh knows maybe the Architect wanted to have Garden on that slab, the only solution is to treat that slab to deal with rain water and also hold the Garden, The questioneer doesn't even know that |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Walexzeee: 1:28pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
hardly do people consult an architect.. rather they prefer to engage draughtsmen..that's the case.. and when an engineer claims to know more than an architect.. then we can see d light of the problem... |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by AreOnaKakanfo: 6:45pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Xtopher123: I concur. The job of the Architect, IMHO, is to assist the homeowner in realizing his or her vision. It's not to become overbearing on a project with a God like presence. If I wish to have a river to run through my parlour or want to cantilever my bedroom 15 feet out then please indulge me ![]() You may ask for a robust retainer to include the structural engineers work but never say it can't be done. Na gode. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Chukazu: 10:26am On Apr 22, 2016 |
wilcox: guy forget story. it's only in Nigeria too that every landlord wants to build houses and fences that are too close to main road. it is simply an eyesore. approval or not,once your house is close to the road, there are inherent dangers in involved. 1.a government deciding to expand the wrong will compensate you, but what happens to the damage and defacing of your structure? what of the stress of rebuilding? 2. what if a truck fails break and Rams into the structure? 3.the standard gap is 50m, but how many people observe that? it's only in Nigeria that people use every available space to build, including building shops ontop drainage. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Xtopher123(m): 12:04pm On Apr 22, 2016 |
Chukazu: It's not 50m it's 6m away from service lane and 3m from the Perimeter Fence Minimum |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Chukazu: 4:56pm On Apr 22, 2016 |
Xtopher123: well am referring to federal roads, am not certain of state and local government roads |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Onuokwu: 5:46pm On Apr 22, 2016 |
CASTOSVILLA: ...then you must be one of the charlatans that have inspired this thread. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by TLAX: 6:20pm On Apr 22, 2016 |
Na wa o. This post must have touched raw nerves. i am seeing so many people with very old profiles commenting for the first time. My take on the matter is that "Nothing is impossible". Sometimes it may take the collaboration of the architect and engineer to make "the impossible" happen. Working in silos can't help in breaking new grounds. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by CASTOSVILLA(m): 3:15pm On Apr 23, 2016 |
Onuokwu:As an Architect, if I cannot accommodate everyone irrespective of their constraints and their numerous fictional desires of their hearts as far as construction is concerned, then am not yet a complete Architect. We are trained to accommodate everybody and solve their problems as it come. 1 Like |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by AreOnaKakanfo: 6:17pm On Apr 23, 2016 |
CASTOSVILLA: Well said. This is why I believe that most, not all, of the new builds in Nigeria still looks stuck in the 70s. I believe that there needs to be a collaborative effort between client, architect and builder. Architects should be looking for jobs that elevates their skillset, clients should be looing for dynamic architects that are willing to leap out of the box and builders should be looking for ground breaking builds that will take them to the next level. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by igbanbajo(m): 8:32pm On Apr 24, 2016 |
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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by bcardastro: 12:12am On Apr 29, 2016 |
2poundz:nice notion about that portfolio check but more client these days are just interestedin cheaper work thank an affective one |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by KingRex1(m): 6:18am On May 01, 2016 |
wilcox:The question is, will you be adequately compensated by the govt? Besides they can give any reason for overiding public purposes. You better stick to the 6meters rule. 2 Likes |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by kindex(m): 11:30am On May 10, 2016 |
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Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by tossen(f): 4:47pm On May 10, 2016 |
bcardastro: Value engineering is what its called when you find ways to ensure cheaper and effective. But architects hardly ever see the need to invite the professional who can help achieve this. Maybe because of pride. But you all need Quantity Surveyors and you dont even know it. Ive had to correct architectural designs also. A well rounded beautiful work of perfection must achieve it all aesthetics, cost effectiveness, and serving its purpose perfectly. Many of your designs wouldnt see the light of day in Dubai. And civil engineers.? I actually worked with one who just loads up beams, and columns with y16 reinf. And another one who copies and pastes bending schedules. You tell them, and they say do your own job. I know what im doing. I just sidon dey look at the ignorance even among the professionals in the Built Environment. I taya. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by tossen(f): 4:51pm On May 10, 2016 |
Xtopher123: Uncle, theres nothing that cannot be built. But not all buildings a realistically effective. Architecture is not fine art . Many aspiring and young architects think it is. Wowing a client isnt about building a castle in the air, but coming up with minalistic ideas that serve all possibilities. I challenge most of you cant design a square home. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Nobody: 10:18pm On May 10, 2016 |
tossen: Oh puleeze, not that again. Na Cocoa house dem wan build? |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by tossen(f): 2:11am On May 11, 2016 |
EgunMogaji: That's where the ignorance begins. Na cocoa house? Architects and civil engineers refuse to be equipped with cost effectiveness. The QS is usually the only one putting such to mind. But if u are saying this then I hope u are not part of the industry. .because it will b absurd for a professional in the construction Ind to assume the QS Is only needed when the structure is off the cocoa house category. U just proved my statement above. "You all don't even know it." 2 Likes |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by n3xt(m): 3:07am On May 11, 2016 |
tossen: Who are you? A contemporist or just another avid lover of modern architecture. You just hit the nail on the head. |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Nobody: 3:29am On May 11, 2016 |
tossen: Trust me, I understand that you have to lash out but I'm far from ignorant. Please don't hate me because you specialise in an almost worthless arena of construction ![]() I'm not buying your scare tactics. QS is not needed on most of the projects being discussed on here. You can market your skills to those doing industrial building or financing their project. If you're brave enough set up a poll on the usefulness of QS to us here. +++++++++++ "Quantity Surveyors Quantity surveyors (QS’s) are commonly used in commercial construction projects and are a familiar face on housing development projects, but they also play a major (and essential) role in the kind of projects that self-builders and renovators take on. In simple terms, a QS will provide a detailed assessment of the materials you will require for your project (based on the detailed building drawings you’ll need to get drawn up for submission for Building Control approval) and use these quantities to come up with a detailed and accurate analysis of the costs of the project as a whole. Many building contractors will pay a QS to produce their quote for a project. The more detailed and accurate the information they are given, the more accurate the estimate will be. According to Claire Barratt from the RICS: “There will be QS’s that specialise in self-builds and they will normally come from a residential property development background. As such they will be used to dealing with cost value comparisons and costs-to-complete exercises during the works. “ Quantity surveyors can assist on a self-build by being involved in the creation of the original budget used for loan security. A chartered valuation surveyor will do the residual valuation but the quantity surveyor can produce the estimate/cost plan for the works. This means the self-builders have realistic and achievable budgets before they start, and any loans taken out on the project will reflect the true cost as well as the project’s value. You can use a QS at the start of the project to come up with, at the simplest level, a ‘take-off’ of quantities and costs based on your building drawings. However, some self-builders employ a QS during the project to ensure that costs do not spiral out of control. On this basis, the arrangement would be on a supervisory fee basis, i.e. a percentage of the build costs." https://www.homebuilding.co.uk/using-quantity-surveyors/ |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by tossen(f): 6:35am On May 11, 2016 |
EgunMogaji: Its OK. I wasn't lashing out. What you av believe for a long time one single post cnt correct. I didn't even bother reading...càant imagine he hard u r trying to defend ur ignorance. One profession in the makeup of an industry is irrelevant. Na wah o . see learned arrogant professionals 2 Likes |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Nobody: 7:15am On May 11, 2016 |
tossen: Oh puleeze, lots of attempt at using big words but you failed in the execution. Your write up tells me all I need to know about you professionally. So how are they hanging? ![]() |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by tossen(f): 7:47am On May 11, 2016 |
EgunMogaji: You remind me of a few who have come to my office one way... And left the other. This is unnecessary. I only stated my point of view. ... You d.don't need to b an unpleasant human being. How dd I use big words in my last post tho? |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by tossen(f): 9:33am On May 11, 2016 |
n3xt: Lol! I'm obsessed with buildings, and construction as a whole. I have seen the attitude of some professionals in the industry and its appaling. I'm a member of the RICS, and I like to watch patiently and quietly as people like Egunmogaji huff and puff. 1 Like |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Nobody: 1:32pm On May 11, 2016 |
tossen: Eya pele o Sisi mi ![]() Again, how are they hanging? ![]() |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by Nobody: 1:33pm On May 11, 2016 |
tossen: I relish unpleasantness, embrace it dear ![]() How are they hanging this morning hon? |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by artizanni: 2:37pm On May 11, 2016 |
Hello, A QS is CRUCIAL to the success of a Building project if you do not want to suffer needlessly while implementing your project. Most Certainly, people have been building successfully in Nigeria without QSes, or even Architects and Engineers. But It is best practice to Involve a complete professional team on your project, especially a QS for the reasons below. 1. Every project starts with an Estimate: You need Estimated quantities and cost, prepared thoroughly and accurately, in order to guide you on your project, while Other people can do this, It is better to have a professional QS prepare this for you. 2. Cost Control: A QS usually have access to databases of Cost information, due to constant market surveys. This can lead to better pricing and rates for implementing your project. It is better to be Overprepared , than sorry. And it will not cost you more than what you pay your architect, to hire a QS and have a BOQ,Material and Labour schedule , plus Work Schedule prepared for your project. Too much Information is better than No Information. To Know more about us, Please check http://artizanni.proposalist.com/let_us_help_you_develop_or_buy_property_in_nigeria |
Re: VERY IMPORTANT: Mistakes Architects Make And Should Be Avoided by tossen(f): 3:24pm On May 11, 2016 |
EgunMogaji: I only wonder what a rude person like you would be hanging. Calling me daft and saying u know it all. For the sake of my person... I choose to ignore your utterances henceforth. It doesn't add or take away from my work. Have a good day. 2 Likes |
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