Diademk07:

Fellaini had started 12 league games whereas Herrera has had 17 league start. Not forgetting that majority of Fellaini games were those he started for 6-7 straight games dating back from the Westham cup replay match!

You're right!

But I think Felliani has had more rubbish performances than Herrera.

When Felliani is atrocious, he is totally a pain and thoroughly useless.

elampiro:


Smalling was up against Carrol, but I will agree he should have done better. Smalling was second best to Carrol in every contest, but he did enough to prevent him from a clear header.

The other mistake was his police of Carrol around the field, that meant Blind was left to shield another fast and tall player. It was very obvious we need needed to bring Phil Jones but Gaal kept faith with weak and slow Blind who cannot even jump.

I don't agree the midfielders didn't shield the defence. The defence panicked from the onset. At least Rooney still won the highest tackles in the game. I think Mata and Herrera did not do well to help our passing game.

Blind and Rooney were the only two players among the starters with above 80% pass accuracy, despite both of them seeing the ball most. Even Carrick's pass accuracy was poor and he was slightly above Schneirderlin.

The bold are contradictory though!
Also, Carrick started playing in the second half. He didn't made as many passes as Rooney to boost his accuracy.

elampiro:


Sometimes with Carrick, we play our worst games. Like when Arsenal beat us 3-0

We were over run in midfield and defence.

That wasn't on Carrick though.
It was all on the defence zoning off for 20mins thereabouts, especially Darmain whom Sanchez constantly roasted in that game. Young was awful at Left back too.

Diademk07:

The bold are contradictory though!
Also, Carrick started playing in the second half. He didn't made as many passes as Rooney to boost his accuracy.

Number of passes has nothing to do with accuracy. Carrick should have had the highest accuracy because he played in the half we tried to control the game.

Elxandre:

You're right!

But I think Felliani has had more rubbish performances than Herrera.

When Felliani is atrocious, he is totally a pain and thoroughly useless.

Yet Herrera had more awful matches than him.
Simply put, Fellaini has never had that sort of performance that pathetic donkey, Herrera had yesterday for us.

elampiro:


Number of passes has nothing to do with accuracy. Carrick should have had the highest accuracy because he played in the half we tried to control the game.

Lol!
A player completed 1 of his 3 passes in game compared to another who had the same 2 failed passes out of 10, compare the passing accuracy!

Diademk07:

That wasn't on Carrick though.
It was all on the defence zoning off for 20mins thereabouts, especially Darmain whom Sanchez constantly roasted in that game. Young was awful at Left back too.

Carrick had been in some other matches that we were awful.

West Brom
Liverpool Europa
Liverpool Europa
West Ham FA cup Old Trafford

It was Carrick that dumped us out of Europa. Pass to an opponent inside our box when we were pressing for an equaliser at Anfied. Got substituted at Old Trafford.

Diademk07:

Lol!
A player completed 1 of his 3 passes in game compared to another who had the same 2 failed passes out of 10, compare the passing accuracy!

The one with 1 out of 3 had higher accuracy accuracy than the player with 2/10.

Accuracy is calculated from a player's number of completed passes from his overall passes.

Just lmao.... happy in some kinda way!!

Hehehe
I love coming here whenever Manure lose. The level of logic and reasoning is just super high as if Aristotle and Socrates are discussing. See wetin van Gurl has turned Manure fans into. You guys have got the philosopher's stone indeed.

Ewo! Lekwa pundits
Elampiro, sircumalot, elrony, adelana1, gbr1, diademko7, elxandre...

Useless bunch

Europa things loading...
Van Gurl forever, it is your portion. Amen.
I even forgot that slowpoke called gloryisaac. Onye pundit!

Diademk07:

Lol!
He started 12 games which includes the games he has recently played whereas Herrera had started 17 league games in total.
The truth is Fellaini hardly started at the start of the season.

And how many games have we won we he started? Fellaini starting doesn`t guarantee us wining when we have lost 5 out of the twelve he started the same number of games lost when Herrera have started

Nobody is saying Herrera is a world class but telling us we are better in games with Fellaini is totally wrong. Like i said, all the players were poor yesterday bar Martial. I`m not going to crucify any player under LVG untill we have a better coach.

elampiro:


The one with 1 out of 3 had higher accuracy.

Accuracy is calculated from a player's number of completed passes from his overall passes.

That's inaccurate.
1/3 equate 0.33%
While 8/10 equate 80% pass accuracy.
Remember both failed to complete the same number of passes.

Adelana1 please help me with this...
United this season

We will make UCL
We will make
We will
We
West Ham!

Diademk07:
That's inaccurate. 1/3 equate 0.33% While 8/10 equate 80% pass accuracy. Remember both failed to complete the same number of passes.

Mathemagician
1/3 is 33%

tess1:


And how many games have we won we he started? Fellaini starting doesn`t guarantee us wining when we have lost 5 out of the twelve he started the same number of games lost when Herrera have started

Nobody is saying Herrera is a world class but telling us we are better in games with Fellaini is totally wrong. Like i said, all the players were poor yesterday bar Martial. I`m not going to crucify any player under LVG untill we have a better coach.

Lol!
Nobody has said we haven't lost with Fellaini but he's been the reason we've won some games this season. That can't be said for that Donkey though.
And lol at a new coach would make Herrera to be able complete a simple 5 yard pass or to stop looking pathetic on the ball!

Diademk07:

Lol!
Were they worldclass players to begin with?
Were they even international players for their national team in the case of Herrera or Depay who's been awful for his national team?
You are in real delusion!

It`s you who is deluded. How was Schneiderlin playing for Southampton before we bought him? He was one of the reasons they didn`t concede much last season. Where is he now and how`s he playing? LVG is the main problem of this team. Out of eleven players yesterday, only Martial was outstanding.

Spy360:
Europa things loading...

Van Gurl forever, it is your portion. Amen.

I even forgot that slowpoke called gloryisaac. Onye pundit!

There's still the possibility of manure losing Europa spot to Southampton.
I won't be surprised though, they are as useless as they come.

Spy360:
Mathemagician
1/3 is 33%

Apology. Meant to type 33% but just posted the summation as it is.

tess1:


It`s you who is deluded. How was Schneiderlin playing for Southampton before we bought him? He was one of the reasons they didn`t concede much last season. Where is he now and how`s he playing? LVG is the main problem of this team. Out of eleven players yesterday, only Martial was outstanding.

Schneiderlin hasn't changed from his Southampton days though. He just needs to play as a box-box midfielder and has done well so far whenever he got deployed as a box-box CM.
Herrera on the other hand is just pathetic to say the least.

Diademk07:

That's inaccurate.
1/3 equate 0.33%
While 8/10 equate 80% pass accuracy.
Remember both failed to complete the same number of passes.

You said between 1 out of 3 or 2 out of 10.

1 completed pass out of 3 is a higher accuracy than 2 out of 10. Don't be confused.

Carrick had poor accuracy. Chikena.

Spy360:
Hehehe
I love coming here whenever Manure lose. The level of logic and reasoning is just super high as if Aristotle and Socrates are discussing. See wetin van Gurl has turned Manure fans into. You guys have got the philosopher's stone indeed.

Ewo! Lekwa pundits
Elampiro, sircumalot, elrony, adelana1, gbr1, diademko7, elxandre...

Useless bunch

Ekwe Sample

elampiro:


You said between 1 out of 3 or 2 out of 10.

1 completed pass out of 3 is a higher accuracy than 2 out of 10. Don't be confused.

Carrick had poor accuracy. Chikena.

I said failed to complete 2 out of 10! You didn't understand my post.

Diademk07:

I said failed to complete 2 out of 10! You didn't understand my post.

It's obvious that game one with 8/10 accurate pass had the higher accuracy.

This is why Blind and Rooney had the higher accuracy than Carrick. We are looking at percentage of passes completed.

elampiro:


Carrick had been in some other matches that we were awful.

West Brom
Liverpool Europa
Liverpool Europa
West Ham FA cup Old Trafford

It was Carrick that dumped us out of Europa. Pass to an opponent inside our box when we were pressing for an equaliser at Anfied. Got substituted at Old Trafford.

Carrick would surely have some poor games due to his aged leg but he's still the best we have for the holding midfield role. It's as if, you don't know what the job of a holding midfielder entails.
He provides passing option for the defence, build up the play, transition the play from the defence to attack, reads the game well by anticipating opposition passing lanes to blocks it off. At his best, he also provide the spatial awareness to helps his playmaker in dictating the tempo in the midfield.
All these are even separate from the defensive work he would offer in te role.
Looking at Morgan, his anticipation, awareness, passing and build-up play are just too average for that role.

elampiro:


It's obvious that game one with 8/10 accurate pass had the higher accuracy.

This is why Blind and Rooney had the higher accuracy than Carrick. We are looking at percentage of passes completed.

Relative to the total no of passes the player made.

Diademk07:

Carrick would surely have some poor games due to his aged leg but he's still the best we have for the holding midfield role. It's as if, you don't know what the job of a holding midfielder entails.
He provides passing option for the defence, build up the play, transition the play from the defence to attack, reads the game well by anticipating opposition passing lanes to blocks it off. At his best, he also provide the spatial awareness to helps his playmaker in dictating the tempo in the midfield.
All these are even separate from the defensive work he would offer in te role.
Looking at Morgan, his anticipation, awareness, passing and build-up play are just too average for that role.

Carrick legs have been tired since 2011/2012. Game came and has spent £250, who did he buy to replace Carrick? My first thought was that with Schneirderlin that aspect is solved. But recently, people are saying Schneiderlin is box to box. If Schneirderlin is box to box, what is the work of Herrera and why did we also buy Schweinsteiger?

Why are we playing Rooney as box to box, why can't we play Schneirderlin there and Rooney allowed to compete with Lingard and Herrera? Rooney's first game he did well behind the striker, why play him prematurely in midfield? I think he should be fighting for the more advanced positions while Schneirderlin played his natural position if he is actually an original box to box midfielder.

elampiro:


Carrick legs have been tired since 2011/2012. Game came and has spent £250, who did he buy to replace Carrick? My first thought was that with Schneirderlin that aspect is solved. But recently, people are saying Schneiderlin is box to box. If Schneirderlin is box to box, what is the work of Herrera and why did we also buy Schweinsteiger?

Why are we playing Rooney as box to box, why can't we play Schneirderlin there and Rooney allowed to compete with Lingard and Herrera? Rooney's first game he did well behind the striker, why play him prematurely in midfield? I think he should be fighting for the more advanced positions while Schneirderlin played his natural position if he is actually an original box to box midfielder.

bro i dont quite agree,do you know that he was d best midfielder 2012/2013 during sir alex last season?i actually felt derlin was d holding player at southampton,because he was regarded as d brains in midfield while wanyama was d brauns...i still say bring a decent attacking coach,and we wud see d best of these players...

elampiro:


Carrick legs have been tired since 2011/2012. Game came and has spent £250, who did he buy to replace Carrick? My first thought was that with Schneirderlin that aspect is solved. But recently, people are saying Schneiderlin is box to box. If Schneirderlin is box to box, what is the work of Herrera and why did we also buy Schweinsteiger?

Why are we playing Rooney as box to box, why can't we play Schneirderlin there and Rooney allowed to compete with Lingard and Herrera? Rooney's first game he did well behind the striker, why play him prematurely in midfield? I think he should be fighting for the more advanced positions while Schneirderlin played his natural position if he is actually an original box to box midfielder.

Schweinsteiger was signed to share minutes with Carrick whom we've seen that his contribution is indispensable as exemplified by how the team totally fell apart the moment he got injured in our last 6 games last season after 7 games winning runs.
Schneiderlin on the other hand was signed as the box-box defensive midfielder to complement one of Bastian/Carrick in the midfield. This was how we played at the start of the season until Bastian got injured.

Diademk07:
Relative to the total no of passes the player made.

Yes.
No. of completed passes /Total passes
X 100
= pass accuracy

dubylhover:


bro i dont quite agree,do you know that he was d best midfielder 2012/2013 during sir alex last season?i actually felt derlin was d holding player at southampton,because he was regarded as d brains in midfield while wanyama was d brauns...i still say bring a decent attacking coach,and we wud see d best of these players...

Wanyama is a total DM and not a holding midfielder who transition the play. All he did was to recover the ball/get the ball from his defenders and pass it to better ball playing players or to Schneiderlin who carries the ball forward or plays it forward.
Schneiderlin ability on the ball is better than Wanyama but then, not by much.

elampiro:


Yes.

No. of completed passes
/Total passes

X 100

= pass accuracy

Still favours the players who has made more paSses irrespective of his failed passes.