tossen:


Apparently Jesus lied in John 14:3 he should have said places?

No, sir. He never lied!! He meant his word. And it's true......

tossen:


Pls I wasn't talking to u. Don't engage yourself in a futile discourse. preach the gospel don't tell ppl d type of heaven they r going. Don't confuse people. Such confusion incites more questions ur sister wasn't able to answer.

you claim she is not able to answer, and you refuse an answer from Me. OK no problem.

tossen:


The same way your Jessy mutilated my message and chose to hammer on the actual word I used instead of the message I was out to pass. Thereby completely changing the topic.

there is a very big difference.
you are trying to pass a message, you claim she attacked the words you used to pass your message.
There is no attack on my words here, but a reference to my words when i was talking about something else that is different from what the attacker is implying.

He made reference to two things
1. my use of different translations
2. My alleged non use of the NWT.

I seperated the two references and answered each accordingly, how can he now use my answer on the first issue, make it look like I posted it over the second issue which he replied me on.
He knew that my quote that he cut off was on the second issue, yet he quoted me on the first issue while attacking me on the second, also he removed my quote on the second issue in his reply. Can you see what he tried to do ?

dolphinheart:


there is a very big difference.
you are trying to pass a message, you claim she attacked the words you used to pass your message.
There is no attack on my words here, but a reference to my words when i was talking about something else that is different from what the attacker is implying.

He made reference to two things
1. my use of different translations
2. My alleged non use of the NWT.

I seperated the two references and answered each accordingly, how can he now use my answer on the first issue, make it look like I posted it over the second issue which he replied me on.
He knew that my quote that he cut off was on the second issue, yet he quoted me on the first issue while attacking me on the second, also he removed my quote on the second issue in his reply. Can you see what he tried to do ?

Let me put this to final rest. Why I disagreed with ur sister Jessicha. She was wrong while quoting her Bible talking about new heaven and new earth saying some people will be in heaven and some will be in earth. This heaven and earth will pass away and will be replaced with a new heaven and new earth. The righteous will not be separated. Or ranked. They will All be together. Not some on new earth, some on heaven. I didn't want to argue. But let me give my final piece on this thread I hope you will take your time to read.

Many people have a misconception of what heaven is truly like. Revelation chapters 21-22 gives us a detailed picture of the new heavens and the new earth. After the events of the end times, the current heavens and earth will be done away with and replaced by the new heavens and new earth. The eternal dwelling place of believers will be the new earth. The new earth is the “heaven” on which we will spend eternity. It is the new earth where the New Jerusalem, the heavenly city, will be located. It is on the new earth that the pearly gates and streets of gold will be.

Heaven—the new earth—is a physical place where we will dwell with glorified physical bodies (1 Corinthians 15:35-58). The concept that heaven is “in the clouds” is unbiblical. The concept that we will be “spirits floating around in heaven” is also unbiblical. The heaven that believers will experience will be a new and perfect planet on which we will dwell. The new earth will be free from sin, evil, sickness, suffering, and death. It will likely be similar to our current earth, or perhaps even a re-creation of our current earth, but without the curse of sin.

Cc jessicha , tempem

tossen:


Let me put this to final rest. Why I disagreed with ur sister Jessicha. She was wrong while quoting her Bible talking about new heaven and new earth saying some people will be in heaven and some will be in earth. This heaven and earth will pass away and will be replaced with a new heaven and new earth. The righteous will not be separated. Or ranked. They will All be together.

@ bold, they will all be together at where ?

Not some on new earth, some on heaven. I didn't want to argue. But let me give my final piece on this thread I hope you will take your time to read.

Many people have a misconception of what heaven is truly like. Revelation chapters 21-22 gives us a detailed picture of the new heavens and the new earth. After the events of the end times, the current heavens and earth will be done away with and replaced by the new heavens and new earth. The eternal dwelling place of believers will be the new earth. The new earth is the “heaven” on which we will spend eternity. It is the new earth where the New Jerusalem, the heavenly city, will be located. It is on the new earth that the pearly gates and streets of gold will be.



Heaven—the new earth— is a physical place where we will dwell with glorified physical bodies (1 Corinthians 15:35-58). The concept that heaven is “in the clouds” is unbiblical. The concept that we will be “spirits floating around in heaven” is also unbiblical. The heaven that believers will experience will be a new and perfect planet on which we will dwell. The new earth will be free from sin, evil, sickness, suffering, and death. It will likely be similar to our current earth, or perhaps even a re-creation of our current earth, but without the curse of sin.

Cc jessicha , tempem

so new earth = heaven

[size=25] new heaven = what then ? [/size]

tempem:
Jessy, don't bother yourself anylonger, this tossen of a guy isn't honest with the Bible.

as in , can u see her saying heaven is new EARTH , when did heaven and planet earth became synonyms

tossen:


Let me put this to final rest. Why I disagreed with ur sister Jessicha. She was wrong while quoting her Bible talking about new heaven and new earth saying some people will be in heaven and some will be in earth. This heaven and earth will pass away and will be replaced with a new heaven and new earth. The righteous will not be separated. Or ranked. They will All be together. Not some on new earth, some on heaven. I didn't want to argue. But let me give my final piece on this thread I hope you will take your time to read.

Many people have a misconception of what heaven is truly like. Revelation chapters 21-22 gives us a detailed picture of the new heavens and the new earth. After the events of the end times, the current heavens and earth will be done away with and replaced by the new heavens and new earth. The eternal dwelling place of believers will be the new earth. The new earth is the “heaven” on which we will spend eternity. It is the new earth where the New Jerusalem, the heavenly city, will be located. It is on the new earth that the pearly gates and streets of gold will be.

Heaven—the new earth—is a physical place where we will dwell with glorified physical bodies (1 Corinthians 15:35-58). The concept that heaven is “in the clouds” is unbiblical. The concept that we will be “spirits floating around in heaven” is also unbiblical. The heaven that believers will experience will be a new and perfect planet on which we will dwell. The new earth will be free from sin, evil, sickness, suffering, and death. It will likely be similar to our current earth, or perhaps even a re-creation of our current earth, but without the curse of sin.

Cc jessicha , tempem

I wunt comment much, but how can old earth and old heaven pass away, in this case two difference places, and now be replaced by new earth and new heaven , but now they are one place or same place!

Jessicha:


@ bold, they will all be together at where ?



so new earth = heaven

[size=25] new heaven = what then ? [/size]

Don't mind jessy, tossen. But tossen, what will the new heaven be?

tossen:


Let me put this to final rest. Why I disagreed with ur sister Jessicha. She was wrong while quoting her Bible talking about new heaven and new earth saying some people will be in heaven and some will be in earth. This heaven and earth will pass away and will be replaced with a new heaven and new earth. The righteous will not be separated. Or ranked. They will All be together. Not some on new earth, some on heaven. I didn't want to argue. But let me give my final piece on this thread I hope you will take your time to read.

if the bold is true, can you please explain this verse that clearly reveal some will be in heaven with Christ and others on earth ?


" And they sang a new song, saying,
“Worthy are you to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation,
10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God,
and they shall reign on the earth.
”
Rev 5:9,10

___ point 1: this verse said some people from every tribe and language and people and nation will be kings and priests to our God, where did God live ? this clearly point to heaven.

- point 2: it stressed further that this selected people will RUle over the Earth ' this cannot be an empty earth, people will be there

NOTE: this is dual, they rule in heaven at the same time over those on earth.

Many people have a misconception of what heaven is truly like. Revelation chapters 21-22 gives us a detailed picture of the new heavens and the new earth. After the events of the end times, the current heavens and earth will be done away with and replaced by the new heavens and new earth. The eternal dwelling place of believers will be the new earth. The new earth is the “heaven” on which we will spend eternity. It is the new earth where the New Jerusalem, the heavenly city, will be located. It is on the new earth that the pearly gates and streets of gold will be.

Heaven—the new earth—is a physical place where we will dwell with glorified physical bodies (1 Corinthians 15:35-58). The concept that heaven is “in the clouds” is unbiblical. The concept that we will be “spirits floating around in heaven” is also unbiblical. The heaven that believers will experience will be a new and perfect planet on which we will dwell. The new earth will be free from sin, evil, sickness, suffering, and death. It will likely be similar to our current earth, or perhaps even a re-creation of our current earth, but without the curse of sin.

Cc jessicha , tempem

heaven cannot be earth ! they are two different location

tossen:


Let me put this to final rest. Why I disagreed with ur sister Jessicha. She was wrong while quoting her Bible talking about new heaven and new earth saying some people will be in heaven and some will be in earth. This heaven and earth will pass away and will be replaced with a new heaven and new earth. The righteous will not be separated. Or ranked. They will All be together. Not some on new earth, some on heaven. I didn't want to argue. But let me give my final piece on this thread I hope you will take your time to read.

Many people have a misconception of what heaven is truly like. Revelation chapters 21-22 gives us a detailed picture of the new heavens and the new earth. After the events of the end times, the current heavens and earth will be done away with and replaced by the new heavens and new earth. The eternal dwelling place of believers will be the new earth. The new earth is the “heaven” on which we will spend eternity. It is the new earth where the New Jerusalem, the heavenly city, will be located. It is on the new earth that the pearly gates and streets of gold will be.

Heaven—the new earth—is a physical place where we will dwell with glorified physical bodies (1 Corinthians 15:35-58). The concept that heaven is “in the clouds” is unbiblical. The concept that we will be “spirits floating around in heaven” is also unbiblical. The heaven that believers will experience will be a new and perfect planet on which we will dwell. The new earth will be free from sin, evil, sickness, suffering, and death. It will likely be similar to our current earth, or perhaps even a re-creation of our current earth, but without the curse of sin.

Cc jessicha , tempem

But tosin, did you see the question jessy asked? Tossen, I wish you had time. I have bunch of questions I'll like you to honestly answer me. Abeg, help me answer her first. Deal?

tempem:
Don't mind jessy, tossen. But tossen, what will the new heaven be?

new earth is the heaven we talk about. That's wat my text means.

tempem:
Don't mind jessy, tossen. But tossen, what will the new heaven be?

What about the new heavens? It is important to remember that in the ancient mind, “heavens” referred to the skies and outer space, as well as the realm in which God dwells. So, when Revelation 21:1 refers to the new heavens, it is likely indicating that the entire universe will be created—a new earth, new skies, a new outer space. It seems as if God's heaven will be recreated as well, to give everything in the universe a “fresh start,” whether physical or spiritual. Will we have access to the new heavens in eternity? Possibly, but we will have to wait to find out. May we all allow God’s Word to shape our understanding of heaven.

Cc Jessicha , dolphin heart and jozzy4.. Take ur answer

tempem:
But tosin, did you see the question jessy asked? Tossen, I wish you had time. I have bunch of questions I'll like you to honestly answer me. Abeg, help me answer her first. Deal?

I answered Jessy. If ur questions does not further edify God but simply dilly dallies as points for u to argue upon... I won't respond. Christianity was not made to be argumentative. The disciples worked together I wonder why we allow it to keep being this way and yet claim to be Christians.

tossen:
new earth is the heaven we talk about. That's wat my text means.

I mean new heavens.

tossen:


I answered Jessy. If ur questions does not further edify God but simply dilly dallies as points for u to argue upon... I won't respond. Christianity was not made to be argumentative. The disciples worked together I wonder why we allow it to keep being this way and yet claim to be Christians.

What does Psalms 78: 69 mean here" He made his sanctuary as enduring as the heavens, Like the earth that he has established forever?

Jozzy4:



if the bold is true, can you please explain this verse that clearly reveal some will be in heaven with Christ and others on earth ?


" And they sang a new song, saying,
“Worthy are you to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation,
10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God,
and they shall reign on the earth.
”
Rev 5:9,10

___ point 1: this verse said some people from every tribe and language and people and nation will be kings and priests to our God, where did God live ? this clearly point to heaven.

- point 2: it stressed further that this selected people will RUle over the Earth ' this cannot be an empty earth, people will be there

NOTE: this is dual, they rule in heaven at the same time over those on earth.





heaven cannot be earth ! they are two different location

Heaven is not earth. New earth is the heaven we aspire to. New heaven is Gods place. If you cannot see it in Gods eyes... Spiritually and u are analysing God with ur human knowledge, then u don't know who you claim u serve. Heaven is not earth. All the saved will be in heaven -( new earth.) God and the celestial bodies will be in heaven -(new heaven)

tempem:
What does Psalms 78: 69 mean here" He made his sanctuary as enduring as the heavens, Like the earth that he has established forever?

Ps 102:25-26-"Of old Thou didst found the earth; and the heavens are the work of Thy hands. Even they will perish, but Thou dost endure; and all of them will wear out like a garment..."

Tell me... Does this vwrse u quote mean u don't believe in new heaven and new earth like sis Jessy? Then one of u must b a fake JW.

tossen:


Ps 102:25-26-"Of old Thou didst found the earth; and the heavens are the work of Thy hands. Even they will perish, but Thou dost endure; and all of them will wear out like a garment..."

Tell me... Does this vwrse u quote mean u don't believe in new heaven and new earth like sis Jessy? Then one of u must b a fake JW.

Lol. Chillax. You have no business with that, you know. We aren't hard on you.
Tosin, you haven't answered my question though. Abeg nah.

tempem:
Lol. Chillax. You have no business with that, you know. We aren't hard on you.
Tosin, you haven't answered my question though. Abeg nah.

I already answered. If u can read. I have a business with that. I can't be arguing conflicting points in a house that seems divided. I'm better off leaving u guys since u seem confused.

tempem:
Lol. Chillax. You have no business with that, you know. We aren't hard on you.
Tosin, you haven't answered my question though. Abeg nah.

In response to ur question here...

tempem:
What does Psalms 78: 69 mean here" He made his sanctuary as enduring as the heavens, Like the earth that he has established forever?

The earth is forever but... My text here means

tossen:

Ps 102:25-26-"Of old Thou didst found the earth; and the heavens are the work of Thy hands. Even they will perish,

the earth will perish meaning it will become worn out ... Text continues thus...

tossen:

but Thou dost endure; and all of them will wear out like a garment..."

God remains the same forever but now the earth is worn out and perished. Its still there but not so good. So God will

Is 65:17-Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth...

The earth is still forever... But by Gods rejuvenating power it has become a new earth.

For instance
You become a new man when u became a christian but that doesn't mean you vanished and u were replaced by someone else. Hope u understand now. Just old things have passed away and all has become new.

tossen:
I already answered. If u can read. I have a business with that. I can't be arguing conflicting points in a house that seems divided. I'm better off leaving u guys since u seem confused.

Now you just proved a point. You ran off basically because you see how the Bible will prove you wrong. You are free, keep praying to God for an honest heart... Jessy, I and the rest aren't here to teach jw, rather , we are to see the Bible's viewpoint..

tempem:
Now you just proved a point. You ran off basically because you see how the Bible will prove you wrong. You are free, keep praying to God for an honest heart... Jessy, I and the rest aren't here to teach jw, rather , we are to see the Bible's viewpoint..

I'm not running away. I don't live by the Bibles view point. I live by the inspiration of the holyspirit, and the guidance of the life lived by Jesus Christ. I don't waste my time with correctness of the bible but the principles the bible insist I make use of. The bible has been severely tampered with by man. In the name of translation and what not. Why should that be what I spend all my Christian pursuits on. The bible is a guide, I should deduce the truths God wants me to live by not stand on a point and argue cos I can.

tempem:
Now you just proved a point. You ran off basically because you see how the Bible will prove you wrong. You are free, keep praying to God for an honest heart... Jessy, I and the rest aren't here to teach jw, rather , we are to see the Bible's viewpoint..

Do you worship God, or the Bible? The bible is a guide, inspired by God, compiled by man. Deduce the truths, and don't stand on viewpoints that may or Maynot have been distorted purposely or mistakenly in the process of translation, transfer, or compilation. God on the other hand deposits the truths in our heart. He can never be wrong. Try and ask God to speak clearly and directly into your hearts sometimes putting aside all u read from the bible. The bible is very important. But the Bible is not God.

tossen:


In response to ur question here...

The earth is forever but... My text here means the earth will perish meaning it will become worn out ... Text continues thus...
God remains the same forever but now the earth is worn out and perished. Its still there but not so good. So God will

Is 65:17-Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth...

The earth is still forever... But by Gods rejuvenating power it has become a new earth.

For instance
You become a new man when u became a christian but that doesn't mean you vanished and u were replaced by someone else. Hope u understand now. Just old things have passed away and all has become new.

What does "forever" mean? What does
Psalms 104: 5 here mean, too? " He has established the earth on its foundations; It will not be moved from it's place forever and ever.
In sharp contrast to what Psalm 102: 25&26.

tossen:


Do you worship God, or the Bible? The bible is a guide, inspired by God, compiled by man. Deduce the truths, and don't stand on viewpoints that may or Maynot have been distorted purposely or mistakenly in the process of translation, transfer, or compilation. God on the other hand deposits the truths in our heart. He can never be wrong. Try and ask God to speak clearly and directly into your hearts sometimes putting aside all u read from the bible. The bible is very important. But the Bible is not God.

Lol!! You are indeed confused.

tempem:
Lol!! You are indeed confused.

Well if u say so. After all..Romans 9:16 says So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. ...

So leave it all to God to decide

tempem:
What does "forever" mean? What does
Psalms 104: 5 here mean, too? " He has established the earth on its foundations; It will not be moved from it's place forever and ever.
In sharp contrast to what Psalm 102: 25&26.

Who said the earth will be moved. IChorinth 5:17 talks about old things becoming new not replaced or moved. Why Do you just purposely refuse to see what the bible said. The earth will b repaired. The earth will be repaired. Old attributes and impurities of the earth shall pass away and it will become new.

Read ur bible...

tossen:


Heaven is not earth. New earth is the heaven we aspire to. New heaven is Gods place. If you cannot see it in Gods eyes... Spiritually and u are analysing God with ur human knowledge, then u don't know who you claim u serve. Heaven is not earth. All the saved will be in heaven -( new earth.) God and the celestial bodies will be in heaven -(new heaven)

hahahahahaba All the saved will be in heaven.


God and the celestial bodies will be in heaven too, isnt it ?


madam, u are still describing heaven alone.


error

Jozzy4:


hahahahahaba All the saved will be in heaven.


God and the celestial bodies will be in heaven too, isnt it ?


madam, u are still describing heaven alone.


error

Wickedness of man is purposely ignoring what someone is saying. New earth is d heaven man talks about... When we say we r going to heaven. Our heaven is the new earth provided for us. New heaven is Gods heaven.

Good night. Don't be wicked by refusing to acknowledge this explanation. Its unfair... And makes a debate futile

tossen:

[size=25]
Heaven is not earth [/size] . New earth is the heaven we aspire to. New heaven is Gods place. If you cannot see it in Gods eyes... Spiritually and u are analysing God with ur human knowledge, then u don't know who you claim u serve. Heaven is not earth. All the saved will be in heaven -( new earth.) God and the celestial bodies will be in heaven -(new heaven)

look at you, u said heaven is not earth YET new EARTH is heaven ,OMG!!! confusion

tossen:


Wickedness of man is purposely ignoring what someone is saying. New earth is d heaven man talks about... When we say we r going to heaven. Our heaven is the new earth provided for us. New heaven is Gods heaven.

Good night. Don't be wicked by refusing to acknowledge this explanation. Its unfair... And makes a debate futile

Follow the bible, call it what the bible said it is.

heaven is earth ?

Jozzy4:


look at you, u said heaven is not earth YET new EARTH is heaven ,OMG!!! confusion

Thanks. I pray God sees u and I thru.