tossen:


Wickedness of man is purposely ignoring what someone is saying. New earth is d heaven man talks about... When we say we r going to heaven. Our heaven is the new earth provided for us. New heaven is Gods heaven.

Good night. Don't be wicked by refusing to acknowledge this explanation. Its unfair... And makes a debate futile

you are wrong, heaven is above ... Earth is here.

when many people said they are going to heaven, they meant Gods abode not new earth

for ur information, the new Earth is not yet in existence , the bible calls it " the COMING inhabited earth " heb 2:5

Jozzy4:

Follow the bible, call it what the bible said it is.

heaven is earth ?

I hope you get a trophy for manipulation. I made my explanations clear. Enjoy yourself. Truth is clear. The bible is clear. Apparently this is the purpose of your Christianity... Pin pricking and putting peoples words apart to mean something else.

tossen:


I hope you get a trophy for manipulation. I made my explanations clear. Enjoy yourself. Truth is clear. The bible is clear. Apparently this is the purpose of your Christianity... Pin pricking and putting peoples words apart to mean something else.

ur explanations are not biblical.

the bible never call heavens , the earth not to talk of calling it the new earth.

Jozzy4:


you are wrong, heaven is above ... Earth is here.

when many people said they are going to heaven, they meant Gods abode not new earth

for ur information, the new Earth is not yet in existence , the bible calls it " the COMING inhabited earth " heb 2:5

Looooooool! Okay. This is why we teach people not to live with ''bible reads'' but '' bible means''... This is so weird.

Jozzy4:


ur explanations are not biblical.

the bible never call heavens , the earth not to talk of calling it the new earth.

Okay.

tossen:


Looooooool! Okay. This is why we teach people not to live with ''bible reads'' but '' bible means''... This is so weird.

no wonder u call the new earth heaven and also call new heaven, heaven too .. next time

"Do not go beyond what is written." - 1 cor 4:6

Jozzy4:


no wonder u call the new earth heaven and also call new heaven, heaven too .. next time

"Do not go beyond what is written." - 1 cor 4:6

Lool. Okay.

Take note though. That isn't what I said. Don't commit a grievous sin by insisting that is what I said ,. if u refuse to see it then don't twist it.
This is your own statement not mine.

Jozzy4:


no wonder u call the new earth heaven and also call new heaven, heaven too .. next time

"Do not go beyond what is written." - 1 cor 4:6

Apparently u are guilty of this too .

See Here...

Jozzy4:

if the bold is true, can you please explain this verse that clearly reveal some will be in heaven with Christ and others on earth ?

" And they sang a new song, saying,
“Worthy are you to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation,
10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God,
and they shall reign on the earth.
”
Rev 5:9,10
___ point 1: this verse said[b] some people from every tribe and language and people and nation will be kings and priests to our God, where did God live ? this clearly point to heaven.[/b]
- point 2: it stressed further that this selected people will RUle over the Earth ' this cannot be an empty earth, people will be there
NOTE: this is dual, they rule in heaven at the same time over those on earth.
heaven cannot be earth ! they are two different location

The bible clearly said THEY not. Some people.

Now this is the last time I will write the scriptures for you, if you still don't understand what I have copied from the bible, then I advise you to crawl back under that rock from where you came from, and stay there, until Jesus returns.
I simply asked you a question and you answered it, not changing the topic, but making it more interesting-while you are writing' I have noticed you don't used your own bible in any of the verses you have laid out on this page, and yet the JW's swear your bible is 100% truth? And while You have claimed our bible doctrines are a pack of lies, you still prefer to use them to prove your point. And not your own bible?
New Would Translation bible {Hebrews 1:8-9} {This verse points it out clearly who God is speaking too, "but it shows the JW's had change one simple word that had changed man kind-drawing them further away from the truth}
New World Translation bible {V 8} But about His Son, He say's God is your throne, forever and ever, and the scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.
King James bible {V 8} "But to the Son He says: "Your throne O God is forever and ever, a scepter of righteousness and a scepter of your Kingdom.
{It shows who made the switch, with the word, one bible had changed history, the New World Translation, had removed the truth away from the scriptures. While the King James and many other bibles that follow stands fern' who God is speaking too, "God had called His own Son God}
New World Translation bible {V 9} You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God had anointed you.
King James bible {V 9} "You have loved righteousness and you have hated lawlessness. Therefore GOD your God had anointed you with the oil of gladness more than your companions.
So it seems both bible"s have a slight difference between them. Enough to change the truth away from God's people.
New World Translation bible {Revelation 1:4-6} John to the seven congregation + that they are in the province of Asia: May you have undeserved kindness and the peace from "the One who is and who was and who is coming, + and from the seven spirits, + that are before His throne.
{And of course the JW's don't believe the One who is and who was and who is coming, is Jesus}
king James bible [Revelation 1:4-6} "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before His throne.
New Would Translation bible {V 5} "And from Jesus Christ, "the faithful witness" + "the first born from the dead, + and the ruler of the Kings of the earth. " + To Him who loves us + and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood. + -
King James bible {V 5} And from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first born from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood.
New World Translation bible {V 6} And he {Jesus} made us to be a kingdom, + priest + to his God and Father-yes, to him be the glory and the might forever Amen.
King James bible {V 6} And {Jesus} had made us kings and priest to His God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever Amen.
New World Translation bible {Revelation 3:1-2,12} {Jesus speaks to the JW's and said} I know your deeds, that you have the name that you are alive, but you are dead, become watchful + and strengthen the things remaining that were ready to die, for I have not found your works fully performed before My God.
King James Bible {Revelation 3:1-2} {Jesus says} I know your works, that you have a name that you are a live, but you are dead, be watchful and strengthen the things which remain that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God.

dolphinheart:


you are a very funny person , you cut part of my post off, and presented the part that has nothing to do with your reply.
well, I count this as an attempt to change the topic,
brocab, pls quote and explain rev:1,4-6 , heb 1:9 And then tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.

777philosopher:
you Caucasian Rhesus Monkey. the Sun is killing your race every day. clone humaniods created by lucifer. burn in hell fire.

Monkey Worry about yourself .you and your kind are already in Hellfire.

If you are smart enough U would have disproved me and the bible verses .not rant like a kid.

Barristter07:
solite3



Like I said earlier, the next you can now do is to reveal youself as a DECEIVER . lets start from the bold.


"Father, if you are willing, please take this cup of suffering away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine. "
Luke 22:42

Jesus said he came not to do his human will.There is a difference between his divine nature and his earthly nature.Jesus came took servanthood on HIS OWN

tossen:

Apparently u are guilty of this too .
See Here... The bible clearly said THEY not. Some people.

baseless. who are the "they" ?
" and by your blood you ransom PEOPLE for God" Rev5:9

solite3:
Jesus said he came not to do his human will.There is a difference between his divine nature and his earthly nature.Jesus came took servanthood on HIS OWN

Jesus is Jesus ! Mr man

even in heaven, the Father is my God - Read how he declared this in Rev 3:12.

and for ur information Jesus will forever subject himself under the authority of his God and Father - 1 cor 15:28

brocab:
Now this is the last time I will write the scriptures for you, if you still don't understand what I have copied from the bible, then I advise you to crawl back under that rock from where you came from, and stay there, until Jesus returns.
I simply asked you a question and you answered it, not changing the topic, but making it more interesting-while you are writing' I have noticed you don't used your own bible in any of the verses you have laid out on this page, and yet the JW's swear your bible is 100% truth? And while You have claimed our bible doctrines are a pack of lies, you still prefer to use them to prove your point. And not your own bible?
New Would Translation bible {Hebrews 1:8-9} {This verse points it out clearly who God is speaking too, "but it shows the JW's had change one simple word that had changed man kind-drawing them further away from the truth}
New World Translation bible {V 8} But about His Son, He say's God is your throne, forever and ever, and the scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.
King James bible {V 8} "But to the Son He says: "Your throne O God is forever and ever, a scepter of righteousness and a scepter of your Kingdom.
{It shows who made the switch, with the word, one bible had changed history, the New World Translation, had removed the truth away from the scriptures. While the King James and many other bibles that follow stands fern' who God is speaking too, "God had called His own Son God}
New World Translation bible {V 9} You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God had anointed you.
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King James bible {V 9} "You have loved righteousness and you have hated lawlessness. Therefore GOD your God had anointed you with the oil of gladness more than your companions.
So it seems both bible"s have a slight difference between them. Enough to change the truth away from God's people.
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New World Translation bible {Revelation 1:4-6} John to the seven congregation + that they are in the province of Asia: May you have undeserved kindness and the peace from "the One who is and who was and who is coming, + and from the seven spirits, + that are before His throne.
{And of course the JW's don't believe the One who is and who was and who is coming, is Jesus}
king James bible [Revelation 1:4-6} "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before His throne.
New Would Translation bible {V 5} "And from Jesus Christ, "the faithful witness" + "the first born from the dead, + and the ruler of the Kings of the earth. " + To Him who loves us + and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood. + -
King James bible {V 5} And from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first born from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood.
New World Translation bible {V 6} And he {Jesus} made us to be a kingdom, + priest + to his God and Father-yes, to him be the glory and the might forever Amen.
King James bible {V 6} And {Jesus} had made us kings and priest to His God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever Amen.
New World Translation bible {Revelation 3:1-2,12} {Jesus speaks to the JW's and said} I know your deeds, that you have the name that you are alive, but you are dead, become watchful + and strengthen the things remaining that were ready to die, for I have not found your works fully performed before My God.
King James Bible {Revelation 3:1-2} {Jesus says} I know your works, that you have a name that you are a live, but you are dead, be watchful and strengthen the things which remain that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God.

but you didnt explain that Heb 1:9 now @ bold , why ?

tossen:



What about the new heavens? It is important to remember that in the ancient mind, “heavens” referred to the skies and outer space, as well as the realm in which God dwells. So, when Revelation 21:1 refers to the new heavens, it is likely indicating that the entire universe will be created—a new earth, new skies, a new outer space. It seems as if God's heaven will be recreated as well, to give everything in the universe a “fresh start,” whether physical or spiritual. Will we have access to the new heavens in eternity? Possibly, but we will have to wait to find out. May we all allow God’s Word to shape our understanding of heaven.

Cc Jessicha , dolphin heart and jozzy4.. Take ur answer

it seems? no it does not seems! God wunt destroy the present earth talk less of destroying outer space, talk less of destroying his abode!

solite3:
[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font] You Just said that Jesus is the same nature with God.ha author=dolphinheart post=45463090]
the disciples never prayed to become God
yes christ divine nature in christians is the spirit of christ in them or the spiritual embodiment of christ in them.Does that mean they are now God? But christ by nature is God.
yes we shall be like him cos he is already like us in perfect ways
yes Jesus is God's image Exactly no difference. where does the theory of Almighty n mighty emanated from

[s what is this one saying, so nature does not determine servitude, can God be a servant? Is it possible? There are humans who choose not to serve God,that is called abandoning there purpose it is called sin same thing with angel.All things were created for God's pleasure n it is called service.

yes

can the Almighty God have a God he is subjected to ?

brocab:
Now this is the last time I will write the scriptures for you, if you still don't understand what I have copied from the bible, then I advise you to crawl back under that rock from where you came from, and stay there, until Jesus returns.
I simply asked you a question and you answered it, not changing the topic, but making it more interesting-while you are writing' I have noticed you don't used your own bible in any of the verses you have laid out on this page, and yet the JW's swear your bible is 100% truth? And while You have claimed our bible doctrines are a pack of lies, you still prefer to use them to prove your point. And not your own bible?
New Would Translation bible {Hebrews 1:8-9} {This verse points it out clearly who God is speaking too, "but it shows the JW's had change one simple word that had changed man kind-drawing them further away from the truth}
New World Translation bible {V 8} But about His Son, He say's God is your throne, forever and ever, and the scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.
King James bible {V 8} "But to the Son He says: "Your throne O God is forever and ever, a scepter of righteousness and a scepter of your Kingdom.
{It shows who made the switch, with the word, one bible had changed history, the New World Translation, had removed the truth away from the scriptures. While the King James and many other bibles that follow stands fern' who God is speaking too, "God had called His own Son God}
New World Translation bible {V 9} You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God had anointed you.
King James bible {V 9} "You have loved righteousness and you have hated lawlessness. Therefore GOD your God had anointed you with the oil of gladness more than your companions.
So it seems both bible"s have a slight difference between them. Enough to change the truth away from God's people.
New World Translation bible {Revelation 1:4-6} John to the seven congregation + that they are in the province of Asia: May you have undeserved kindness and the peace from "the One who is and who was and who is coming, + and from the seven spirits, + that are before His throne.
{And of course the JW's don't believe the One who is and who was and who is coming, is Jesus}
king James bible [Revelation 1:4-6} "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before His throne.
New Would Translation bible {V 5} "And from Jesus Christ, "the faithful witness" + "the first born from the dead, + and the ruler of the Kings of the earth. " + To Him who loves us + and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood. + -
King James bible {V 5} And from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first born from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood.
New World Translation bible {V 6} And he {Jesus} made us to be a kingdom, + priest + to his God and Father-yes, to him be the glory and the might forever Amen.
King James bible {V 6} And {Jesus} had made us kings and priest to His God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever Amen.
New World Translation bible {Revelation 3:1-2,12} {Jesus speaks to the JW's and said} I know your deeds, that you have the name that you are alive, but you are dead, become watchful + and strengthen the things remaining that were ready to die, for I have not found your works fully performed before My God.
King James Bible {Revelation 3:1-2} {Jesus says} I know your works, that you have a name that you are a live, but you are dead, be watchful and strengthen the things which remain that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God.

brocab, I believe you are educated, I strongly hope I not wrong. I believe you have the capacity to understand a request and answer it accordingly.

brocab, I didn't not ask you to examine different translations
I did not ask you to just qoute verses,
i did not ask you who the person who was talking was talking to, look at what I asked you well well.

brocab, pls QUOTE and EXPLAIN rev:1,4-6 , heb 1:9 And then tell us who is TALKING in rev 3:2,12.

SIMPLE REQUEST!

I know you, I know you will do anything possible so as not to quote those scriptures and show the world your views on those scriptures. you must have been cracking your brains on how you can explain those verses to make it look as if it surpports your doctrine, but you cannot. hence you decided not to quote and explain them!
you prefer to be jumping left and right. your latest attempt is to quote different translations but refusing to share your understanding of any!

brocab, if you dont want to quote and explain those scriptures,pls leave it!

as to the translation I use , I prefer to use mostimes on these thread the translation that you accept. I want to use your own translation as much as possible to show you that your doctrines are false!
I wunt use your translations in cases where it has deliberately on its own removed God's name, or where it does not fully expresses my views.
I once asked you why the kjv removed God's name in most places where it occured in the scriptures, but in your known usual way, you refused to answer!

dolphinheart:


brocab, I believe you are educated, I strongly hope I not wrong. I believe you have the capacity to understand a request and answer it accordingly.

brocab, I didn't not ask you to examine different translations
I did not ask you to just qoute verses, look at what I asked you well well.

brocab, pls QUOTE and EXPLAIN rev:1,4-6 , heb 1:9 And then tell us who is TALKING in rev 3:2,12.

SIMPLE REQUEST!

I know you, I know you will do anything possible so as not to quote those scriptures and show the world your views on those scriptures. you must have been cracking your brains on how you can explain those verses to make it look as if it surpports your doctrine, but you cannot. hence you decided not to quote and explain them!
you prefer to be jumping left and right. your latest attempt is to quote different translations but refusing to share your understanding of any!

brocab, if you dont want to quote and explain those scriptures,pls leave it!

the brocab of a person is ridiculous, am expecting his response to heb 1:9,

brocab:
Now this is the last time I will write the scriptures for you, if you still don't understand what I have copied from the bible, then I advise you to crawl back under that rock from where you came from, and stay there, until Jesus returns.
I simply asked you a question and you answered it, not changing the topic, but making it more interesting-while you are writing' I have noticed you don't used your own bible in any of the verses you have laid out on this page, and yet the JW's swear your bible is 100% truth? And while You have claimed our bible doctrines are a pack of lies, you still prefer to use them to prove your point. And not your own bible?
New Would Translation bible {Hebrews 1:8-9} {This verse points it out clearly who God is speaking too, "but it shows the JW's had change one simple word that had changed man kind-drawing them further away from the truth}
New World Translation bible {V 8} But about His Son, He say's God is your throne, forever and ever, and the scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.
King James bible {V 8} "But to the Son He says: "Your throne O God is forever and ever, a scepter of righteousness and a scepter of your Kingdom.
{It shows who made the switch, with the word, one bible had changed history, the New World Translation, had removed the truth away from the scriptures. While the King James and many other bibles that follow stands fern' who God is speaking too, "God had called His own Son God}
New World Translation bible {V 9} You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God had anointed you.
King James bible {V 9} "You have loved righteousness and you have hated lawlessness. Therefore GOD your God had anointed you with the oil of gladness more than your companions.
So it seems both bible"s have a slight difference between them. Enough to change the truth away from God's people.
New World Translation bible {Revelation 1:4-6} John to the seven congregation + that they are in the province of Asia: May you have undeserved kindness and the peace from "the One who is and who was and who is coming, + and from the seven spirits, + that are before His throne.
{And of course the JW's don't believe the One who is and who was and who is coming, is Jesus}
king James bible [Revelation 1:4-6} "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before His throne.
New Would Translation bible {V 5} "And from Jesus Christ, "the faithful witness" + "the first born from the dead, + and the ruler of the Kings of the earth. " + To Him who loves us + and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood. + -
King James bible {V 5} And from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first born from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood.
New World Translation bible {V 6} And he {Jesus} made us to be a kingdom, + priest + to his God and Father-yes, to him be the glory and the might forever Amen.
King James bible {V 6} And {Jesus} had made us kings and priest to His God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever Amen.
New World Translation bible {Revelation 3:1-2,12} {Jesus speaks to the JW's and said} I know your deeds, that you have the name that you are alive, but you are dead, become watchful + and strengthen the things remaining that were ready to die, for I have not found your works fully performed before My God.
King James Bible {Revelation 3:1-2} {Jesus says} I know your works, that you have a name that you are a live, but you are dead, be watchful and strengthen the things which remain that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God.

why not compare nwt with 2 more translations for objective critisism

Jozzy4:




can the Almighty God have a God he is subjected to ?

what is this one saying who is talking about a god subject to another God

@brocab heb 1:9


New International Version
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy."
New Living Translation
You love justice and hate evil. Therefore, O God, your God has anointed you, pouring out the oil of joy on you more than on anyone else."
English Standard Version
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”
Berean Study Bible
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, Your God, has placed You above Your companions by anointing You with the oil of joy."
Berean Literal Bible
You have loved righteousness and have hated wickedness; because of this, God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of exultation above Your companions."
New American Standard Bible
"YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS."
King James Bible
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God,
even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; this is why God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of joy rather than Your companions.
International Standard Version
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. That is why God, your God, anointed you rather than your companions with the oil of gladness."
NET Bible
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness. So God, your God, has anointed you over your companions with the oil of rejoicing."
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“You have loved righteousness and you have hated evil; because of this, God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of a joy beyond your companions.”

nwt

You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”

solite3:
Jesus said he came not to do his human will.There is a difference between his divine nature and his earthly nature.Jesus came took servanthood on HIS OWN

Even in his divine nature he will and is always subject to his Father, creator, the one that exalted him and placed his enemies under his feet! So the Bible clearly shows one is superior and one is subject to the other.

1 Corinthians 15:27,28 shows God put everything under him which shows he has more authority.

After everything God will be all in all, whether in heaven or on earth he has always been his father's subject!

solite3:
what is this one saying who is talking about a god subject to another God

It's a simple and straight question, is Jesus not subject to his Father?

solite3:
what is this one saying who is talking about a god subject to another God

false jw's are stalking you, like the pharisees stalked Jesus
look out Jesus, said a disciple, they are trying to trap you

goodnews201668:


Even in his divine nature he will and is always subject to his Father, creator, the one that exalted him and placed his enemies under his feet! So the Bible clearly shows one is superior and one is subject to the other.

1 Corinthians 15:27,28 shows God put everything under him which shows he has more authority.

After everything God will be all in all, whether in heaven or on earth he has always been his father's subject!

sincerely ur own ignorance is bliss.how can God be subject to God.keep misquoting scriptures.one thing that gladdens my heart is that u already agreed that Jesus has God's nature.u ve no excuse before God.

johnw74:


false jw's are stalking you, like the pharisees stalked Jesus
look out Jesus, said a disciple, they are trying to trap you

They are like Pharisee n atheist together

solite3:
[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font] You Just said that Jesus is the same nature with God.ha author=dolphinheart post=45463090]
the disciples never prayed to become God

yes, the disciples never prayed to become God , neither did I say so. They prayed to have the same divine nature as jesus!

2 peter 1:4 New International Version
Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
I once asked you what is divine nature, but you refuse to answer.

having divine nature does not make you God or a God, but it makes you have same nature as God!. despite having same nature as God, it does not mean you are equal to God!
two humans have the same human nature, but it does not mean that they have the same authority, power , intelligence, physical or mental attributes.

Jesus HAS same nature as God in heaven, that nature is divine, but it does not make jesus equal to God(who is the father, the almighty). The scriptures makes it clear several times that the father is the God of jesus!
King James Version
1Pe 1:3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

God is a spirit, Jesus is a spirit, the angels are spirits, likewise those disciples will be sprits when they enter heaven, for flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God !
jesus is a seperate person from the father, they both have the same nature, the father is God, so jesus can be said to have same nature as God , but it does not make jesus the father, therefore it does not make jesus God!

you can claim jesus is God cus jesus is called God, but jesus ,despite being called mighty God , still has a God superior to him, one who is called the almighty God, who is the most high!. This fact you refuse to acknowledge , cus anytime I ask you if jesus has a God that is superior to him at this moment, you refuse to answer!

yes christ divine nature in christians is the spirit of christ in them or the spiritual embodiment of christ in them.Does that mean they are now God? But christ by nature is God.

as at the time this speech was made, they already have the spirit of christ in them, therefore what they are hoping for is not the spirit of christ, but a transformation of their nature from a human nature to gods nature, from a slave to children of God, from a physical body to a spiritual body, and thus be like Christ!, this is the promise, their hope.


luke 22:29,30(New International Version)
And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me,

1 peter 1:3,4(New International Version)
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
(NLT SAYS: Now we live with great expectation)
4. and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you,

php 3: 20,21(New International Version)
But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,
21. who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
read 1Co 15:44-53
when your nature changes, it simply means your nature/form changes!,

yes we shall be like him cos he is already like us in perfect ways

funny, so they will be like jesus because jesus is already like them! wow!. now I see why you could not support this with scripture

well the scriptures tells us better sir
1 john 3:2 (New International Version)
Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

1 cor 15:49( New International Version)
And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.

rom 8:29 (New International Version)
For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.

yes Jesus is God's image Exactly no difference. where does the theory of Almighty n mighty emanated from

good, an image is a representation of oneself, it's not oneself. your image is not you, it's your image!

let me use the scriptures to explain further
1 cor 15: 49 talks about bearing two images , the one they bear, and the one they will bear. The image they bear is of the earthly one , they bore the image of adam, a human , who had human form , had human nature.
gen 5:3 (New International Version)
When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.
can you see that setH is the image of adam? does that mean that setH is adam? no!
does it mean that setH is equal to Adam? no!
does it mean that that setH is a human, with same nature with adam? yes!
apply that to jesus and you will understand better how jesus is the image of God .

now the verse continues to say they will bear the image of the heavenLy man, who is a spirit, with a different nature to adam. when they bear this image, does it mean they become God!? no!
therefore jesus having the image of God does not mean he is God, just as his disciples bearing the image of jesus does not mean they are jesus or become jesus!

[s what is this one saying, so nature does not determine servitude, can God be a servant? Is it possible? There are humans who choose not to serve God,that is called abandoning there purpose it is called sin same thing with angel.All things were created for God's pleasure n it is called service.

well, it depends on the understanding of what the term God means, but the scriptures had been irrevocably clear that Jesus who is a God is subjected to someone more superior to him.

acts 4:27,30(New International Version)
Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.
Stretch out your hand to heal and perform signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus."

King James Version
1Co 15:28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

yes

God was never a man ? yes
jesus was a man? yes.
is jesus same person as the one who anointed him?no
who anointed jesus ? God!
is the one who anointed jesus the God of jesus? yes

johnw74

johnw74:


false jw's are stalking you, like the pharisees stalked Jesus

look out Jesus, said a disciple, they are trying to trap you

kindly provide the scripture where a disciple said to Jesus " look out, they are trying to trap you" ?

solite3

solite3:
They are like Pharisee n atheist together

you made this accusation because they simply ask you if you AGREE WITH THE BIBLE that Jesus will be subjected to his Father ?

respond to the question and stop this irrelevant accusations

solite3:
sincerely ur own ignorance is bliss.how can God be subject to God.keep misquoting scriptures.one thing that gladdens my heart is that u already agreed that Jesus has God's nature.u ve no excuse before God.

is jesus subjected to the father in heaven? yes or no.
IF no pls explain the scriptures he quoted to you, let's hear your understanding of those verses

solite3:
sincerely ur own ignorance is bliss.how can God be subject to God.keep misquoting scriptures.one thing that gladdens my heart is that u already agreed that Jesus has God's nature.u ve no excuse before God.

The issue is the father is greater! Even in my ignorance u know that, it's very clear in the scriptures that Jehovah is the God of Jesus Christ and he is and will always be subject to him. You haven't been able to refute that fact, yet u resort to calling me names. You can't even explain your Trinity. I know that, it's a false doctrine!