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Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by olumide4christ: 9:42pm On Mar 02, 2016
mercylicious:
nice.

Thanks!
Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by jkk77: 2:41pm On Mar 20, 2016
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Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by msogunro: 12:44am On May 13, 2016
brabus:
Soil test/investigation also called Geotechnical Survey is carried out by Soil Scientist. Interestingly, it is not enough to have anyone carry out soil investigation, the most important thing is to have the result confirmed in the Labs.

And they carry out so many types of tests ranging from CPT (Cone penetration Test) to SPT (Standard penetration test). Triaxial testing, Bearing Capacity Test, Borehole drilling and Geophysical survey, Pile integrity test and Pile construction, Pile load test and more.

The most common type of test carried out in Ajah area is CPT. Most building engineers rely on given datas for areas they're working on than carrying out the test.

From your experience, what should someone expect to pay for these various tests? A range of each will be appreciated.

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Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by olumide4christ: 12:51am On May 13, 2016
msogunro:


From your experience, what should someone expect to pay for these various tests? A range of each will be appreciated.

@Brabus, this question is directed to you based on your comments...over to you to respond.
Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by msogunro: 1:21am On May 13, 2016
olumide4christ:


@Brabus, this question is directed to you based on your comments...over to you to respond.

Please feel free to respond if you know.

Thank you.
Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by olumide4christ: 2:34am On May 13, 2016
msogunro:


Please feel free to respond if you know.

Thank you.

The range is from N100,000 above, depending on the type of test, location and of course, the engineer, geologist or soil scientist carrying out...professional pass professional in bargaining power!!
Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by n3xt(m): 6:23am On May 13, 2016
msogunro:


From your experience, what should someone expect to pay for these various tests? A range of each will be appreciated.

This test definitely ranges between N100k and more. The N100k is just for borehole or trial pit and won't require heavy equipment and specialized laboratory report.
This is one area to be extra careful because most geotechnic results are reprints of earlier results. A novice may not be able to interprete it.

For real test that requires bringing rig to the site, it starts from N400k above. The deeper the more expensive it goes.
Though a client did one at Akoka and she told me she did it for just N120k. I wasn't there to see so I can't ascertain what was done but in the end they recommended 24m deep piles for her foundation. I asked for the name of the laboratory and the company that carried out the test but didn't get any. I'm not making this up.

The most important part of the test is the lab report. How authentic it is? It must carry the stamp of the lab where the samples were processed. Also, if you're physically present during the drilling you can see for yourself the various samples collected at every depth. This will give you an idea of what to expect.

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Pic of soil investigation/test carried out in 2011

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Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by akog(m): 6:28am On May 13, 2016
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Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by Lanre01(m): 6:42am On May 13, 2016
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Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by Nobody: 6:43am On May 13, 2016
You should also consider the accessibility of ground water, phcn over head lines and the last road expansion done.

Groundwater because we all use boreholes. Will you able to sink a shallow borehole, or will it have to be an industrial one, or will you require a water treatment plant to use potable water? Water treatment equals continuos cost throughout your use of the building

If your site is far from any PHCN line you will spend a lot extending the Line to your facility

Last road expansion; if you are sited by a road, there is a risk that the govt may one day decide to expand or dualise the road . If that happens and if your land was not that big and your house was close to the road . . .

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Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by gist4kidsblog: 6:47am On May 13, 2016
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Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by CarrotAndStick: 6:47am On May 13, 2016
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Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by realomonile: 6:51am On May 13, 2016
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Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by 4nobody4every1: 6:53am On May 13, 2016
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Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by MansaMoussa: 7:40am On May 13, 2016
Op! Na only God go bless u for dis advice u dey give upcoming boys like us for free.

E get on Small 1200sqm wey I buy way back to develop..Govment allocation directly behind Bwari law school in Abuja. Now this land is situated in a huge expanse of undeveloped flatland of about 100 hectares or more. It's been surveyed and beacons shoot everywhere from d ground. Typical of most abuja lands, dia's a stream that bisects the land in two..
1. bad news is that my plot is just about 50m away from d stream.
2. Bad news, the first building besides d access road (the extreme end of the place) is a bungalow with a Raft foundation.
3. Bad News, my plot is situated at the junction between two roads in the layout( which we intend to open up eventually)
4.the thing slope small o sad
5. I'm determined to start developing that place dis year..even going to te extent of flinging some assets to raise funds to comit to this small project.
But as u don mention these things now, na to drink Sniper dey hungry me because I just d dont have d bar for some of dis Remedial measures in dis economic meltdown.
Thanks all the same....pls, d u know how much it may cost in Abuja to rent a bulldozer to open a road from the tarred road to about 200m inwards...mainly cassava and brushes, e be like say some guyz wan rip us off.. pls pardon my typos, my phone is a miniature Nigeria
Have a nice day
Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by jeftalene(m): 7:43am On May 13, 2016
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Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by Nobody: 7:55am On May 13, 2016
mavverick:
I have some questions.

Who carries out a soil test ? Civil engineer or a geologist ? In Nigeria, most people claim to be everything. Do you have a trusted soil engineer or geologist that you can recommend ?

From your write-up, does this mean that virtually almost everywhere in Lekki there is no running away from either raft/pile ?

In which cases can you have a mixture of raft + blocks to reduce cost without compromising on structural integrity ?
geotechnical engineers carry out soil tests....its a branch under civil engineering.
Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by juman(m): 8:29am On May 13, 2016
Nice thread.
Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by proeast(m): 9:00am On May 13, 2016
Such problem exist mainly in the swampy mangroove & fresh water regions of Nigeria. They are common in places like Lagos/parts Ogun state & also common in the Niger-delta. Such is rare in the SE except the issue of land having a lower altitude than the main road which is caused by continous piling & grading over the years that results in a higher elevation than the surrounding areas. In case you want to buy land in Owerri Pls Consult Galaxy properties on 08068198016 or visit www.galaxyproperties. for more information.
Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by Delafruita(m): 9:26am On May 13, 2016
While i agree with a number of things on this thread., i have to point out a few things. I will use my experience as a yardstick because i have built a house in a swampy area and i have built on a sloppy land just as i have built on other terrains. Many a time, it comes down to the budget, location and preference. I got an offer for a plot of land which is less than 5 minutes drive from a major expressway for a knock down price of 2million. That particular land was waterlogged as were a few others but those that were dry land wete going for 4-5million and above. After all analysis, it Was a good deal because whether it was waterlogged or dry land, the plan was for a storey buikding which would have required a raft foundation either way. The only difference is the pile foundation on the waterlogged land and when viewed vis a vis the difference in cost of land, it was a better deal

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Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by Adek15(m): 10:27am On May 13, 2016
olumide4christ:


[b]Answer to Q1 - In Nigeria, soil test can be carried out by both civil (structural) engineers & geologists. Note that not all civil engineers are structural engineers, its an area of specialization. However, in projects I have worked on, structural engineers have carried out the soil tests and gotten the actual results. In some projects, some prime consultants (architects) on a project mandate that the structural engineer who would prepare the structural drawings for the project should not be the same person who should carry out the soil test i.e. they advise the client on the need to invite another engineer or geologist, aside the structural engineer on the project to carry out the soil test. It has to do with some form of professional ethics, won't indulge into that here.
If you need someone to carry out a soil test, I have a trusted structural engineer who I can refer to you.

Answer to Q2 - I'm afraid that such is the case...Lekki is majorly sand-filled (reclaimed) ground and as such cheaper foundations like strip or strip-and-pad foundations can't be structurally stable on such ground. If I can remember, there was a thread in this section where a bungalow was to be built on raft foundation because of the soil conditions...imagine that!!

Answer to Q3 - Building with raft and blocks in foundation SHOULD AND ONLY SHOULD be done based on the instruction of the engineer who designed the foundation. Raft is supposed to be a monolithic foundation but if the engineer based on his calculations ascertains that blocks can be used to make up the top of the raft foundation, then its his call and if any issues come up in future, he would be held liable for that decision. So therefore, let the structural engineer consent to that before you mix raft foundation with blocks. [/b]
I think you are wrong on ur first assertion. Still year should be carried out by geotechnical engineers (not structural engineers but are civil engineers)
Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by Adek15(m): 10:46am On May 13, 2016
If I wanna buy land from a seller, will the seller allow me to carry out all this test on the land before paying for the land?

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Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by alpontif(m): 11:30am On May 13, 2016
olumide4christ:


[b]Answer to Q1 - In Nigeria, soil test can be carried out by both civil (structural) engineers & geologists. Note that not all civil engineers are structural engineers, its an area of specialization. However, in projects I have worked on, structural engineers have carried out the soil tests and gotten the actual results. In some projects, some prime consultants (architects) on a project mandate that the structural engineer who would prepare the structural drawings for the project should not be the same person who should carry out the soil test i.e. they advise the client on the need to invite another engineer or geologist, aside the structural engineer on the project to carry out the soil test. It has to do with some form of professional ethics, won't indulge into that here.
If you need someone to carry out a soil test, I have a trusted structural engineer who I can refer to you.

Answer to Q2 - I'm afraid that such is the case...Lekki is majorly sand-filled (reclaimed) ground and as such cheaper foundations like strip or strip-and-pad foundations can't be structurally stable on such ground. If I can remember, there was a thread in this section where a bungalow was to be built on raft foundation because of the soil conditions...imagine that!!

Answer to Q3 - Building with raft and blocks in foundation SHOULD AND ONLY SHOULD be done based on the instruction of the engineer who designed the foundation. Raft is supposed to be a monolithic foundation but if the engineer based on his calculations ascertains that blocks can be used to make up the top of the raft foundation, then its his call and if any issues come up in future, he would be held liable for that decision. So therefore, let the structural engineer consent to that before you mix raft foundation with blocks. [/b]

A geologist has no business carrying out Geotechnical Investigations( Soil Test). Geotechnical Investigation is different from Geophysical Investigation, which is also different from Geological Investigations. Dont confuse things.

Also, all propoerly trained Civil Engineers can Design for and Supervise Geotechnical Investigations to be carried out by the Geotechnical Specialist, also....a Structural Engineer HAS NO BUSINESS carrying out Geotechnical Investigations. We are all Civil Engineers, but we specialise at some stage in our carreers, some become Structural Engineers, some geotech engineers, some Transport Engineers, some Water engineers..etc...All are Civil Engineers who Can Supervise, but cannot Carry out work specialities of the different specializations.

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Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by 18SNVL: 11:40am On May 13, 2016
Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by 18SNVL: 11:41am On May 13, 2016
Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by professore(m): 12:28pm On May 13, 2016
It has become increasingly important for prospective buyers of land to not hurriedly pay money for lands because they are cheap, but to ensure they do some due diligence to determine how economical it would be to build on such land

Some people have said that if they see a plot of land which looks good on the surface, taking out time to carry out this due diligence might make them lose the land to another buyer, but let me say here that “it is better to be sure about a thing than to be sorry about it later.”

This is the reason why some people have said that the rainy season is always the best time to source for and purchase land, as it shows the land in its actual physical state.

These statements impressed me,nice post.

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Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by olumide4christ: 12:44pm On May 13, 2016
alpontif:


A geologist has no business carrying out Geotechnical Investigations( Soil Test). Geotechnical Investigation is different from Geophysical Investigation, which is also different from Geological Investigations. Dont confuse things.

Also, all propoerly trained Civil Engineers can Design for and Supervise Geotechnical Investigations to be carried out by the Geotechnical Specialist, also....a Structural Engineer HAS NO BUSINESS carrying out Geotechnical Investigations. We are all Civil Engineers, but we specialise at some stage in our carreers, some become Structural Engineers, some geotech engineers, some Transport Engineers, some Water engineers..etc...All are Civil Engineers who Can Supervise, but cannot Carry out work specialities of the different specializations.

Thanks for your comments...guess you are a specialist. I understand a lot about specializations; there are even specializations in our own field as Quantity Surveyors. Your comments are noted.

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Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by olumide4christ: 12:46pm On May 13, 2016
professore:
It has become increasingly important for prospective buyers of land to not hurriedly pay money for lands because they are cheap, but to ensure they do some due diligence to determine how economical it would be to build on such land

Some people have said that if they see a plot of land which looks good on the surface, taking out time to carry out this due diligence might make them lose the land to another buyer, but let me say here that “it is better to be sure about a thing than to be sorry about it later.”

This is the reason why some people have said that the rainy season is always the best time to source for and purchase land, as it shows the land in its actual physical state.

These statements impressed me,nice post.

18SNVL: Quote Post
Really useful information thanks.

Thanks for the compliments.

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Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by olumide4christ: 12:55pm On May 13, 2016
MansaMoussa:
Op! Na only God go bless u for dis advice u dey give upcoming boys like us for free.

E get on Small 1200sqm wey I buy way back to develop..Govment allocation directly behind Bwari law school in Abuja. Now this land is situated in a huge expanse of undeveloped flatland of about 100 hectares or more. It's been surveyed and beacons shoot everywhere from d ground. Typical of most abuja lands, dia's a stream that bisects the land in two..
1. bad news is that my plot is just about 50m away from d stream.
2. Bad news, the first building besides d access road (the extreme end of the place) is a bungalow with a Raft foundation.
3. Bad News, my plot is situated at the junction between two roads in the layout( which we intend to open up eventually)
4.the thing slope small o sad
5. I'm determined to start developing that place dis year..even going to te extent of flinging some assets to raise funds to comit to this small project.
But as u don mention these things now, na to drink Sniper dey hungry me because I just d dont have d bar for some of dis Remedial measures in dis economic meltdown.
Thanks all the same....pls, d u know how much it may cost in Abuja to rent a bulldozer to open a road from the tarred road to about 200m inwards...mainly cassava and brushes, e be like say some guyz wan rip us off.. pls pardon my typos, my phone is a miniature Nigeria
Have a nice day
Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by olumide4christ: 12:57pm On May 13, 2016
MansaMoussa:
Op! Na only God go bless u for dis advice u dey give upcoming boys like us for free.

E get on Small 1200sqm wey I buy way back to develop..Govment allocation directly behind Bwari law school in Abuja. Now this land is situated in a huge expanse of undeveloped flatland of about 100 hectares or more. It's been surveyed and beacons shoot everywhere from d ground. Typical of most abuja lands, dia's a stream that bisects the land in two..
1. bad news is that my plot is just about 50m away from d stream.
2. Bad news, the first building besides d access road (the extreme end of the place) is a bungalow with a Raft foundation.
3. Bad News, my plot is situated at the junction between two roads in the layout( which we intend to open up eventually)
4.the thing slope small o sad
5. I'm determined to start developing that place dis year..even going to te extent of flinging some assets to raise funds to comit to this small project.
But as u don mention these things now, na to drink Sniper dey hungry me because I just d dont have d bar for some of dis Remedial measures in dis economic meltdown.
Thanks all the same....pls, d u know how much it may cost in Abuja to rent a bulldozer to open a road from the tarred road to about 200m inwards...mainly cassava and brushes, e be like say some guyz wan rip us off.. pls pardon my typos, my phone is a miniature Nigeria
Have a nice day

T[b]hanks Bros for the compliments. Let me also let you know that there is a piece of land which I am currently developing in one of the estates in Abuja, close to a small stream. However, it all depends on the position of your plot along the course of the stream/river. If your plot is positioned at a point where the stream is still flowing further along its course on a steep gradient, you most likely won't have issues with flooding because water flows by gravity. You might only have issues where your plot is situated at the low level part of the stream OR where the stream flows through your plot.

Very importantly, you would need to do a retaining wall along the part where your plot meets the stream and you would have to ensure your foundation is raised to an appreciable height (Mine was about 7 coaches at the highest point).

As per the bulldozer, I'm not sure of the going rate in Abuja right now but here in Lagos, its about N80-100K per day for rentals.
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Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by olumide4christ: 12:45pm On May 14, 2016
Are you about to purchase a land and you are unsure about how such land would affect the construction costs of your proposed project?

Talk to a professional Quantity Surveyor today - we will guide you by visiting the site and giving you our expert advice on it.
Re: Beware! – Buying These Lands May Increase Your Construction Cost Astronomically! by uvalued(m): 2:06pm On May 14, 2016
noted

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