Elhayjay:
can't U read where she said I will pay money into her account.it is not pay on delivery.it is pay and deliver.delivery on pay.so,I should have sent the money with those images abi.this happen ed on Tuesday and why didn't send in what she promised to send to me even here on nairaland.Ma a tan ara e.

Yep, I did. If you know a thing or two about procurement, you ll know that is standard practice.
She stated you can pay at point of delivery if your pick up point is lagos, but pay before delivery outside lagos.
After an insult, no sane fellow of b willing to deal anymore.
That how I see it anyway.
You don't trust her, then don,t deal not asking for recharge cards and Making youself look petty

Okay, I think there is a misunderstanding somewhere.
For now, i'll follow this post closely. The accused might not have been patient enough, and with the latest screenshots, the accused don't want to send cash not until he sees the product been sold. Which is OK.
The only thing we can do now is to wait for the op to cone show us the complete finished product and snapped by herself this time.

@Elhayjay Just chill a bit, let her come on today. Because you weren't patient enough initially.
If you've ever registered a forex account, you will know calling and persuasion doesn't necessarily mean scam.
Those guys can call you 10times a day, but its real.

Patiently Waiting though...

shocker007:
Okay, I think there is a misunderstanding somewhere.
For now, i'll follow this post closely. The accused might not have been patient enough, and with the latest screenshots, the accused don't want to send cash not until he sees the product been sold. Which is OK.
The only thing we can do now is to wait for the op to cone show us the complete finished product and snapped by herself this time.

@Elhayjay Just chill a bit, let her come on today. Because you weren't patient enough initially.
If you've ever registered a forex account, you will know calling and persuasion doesn't necessarily mean scam.
Those guys can call you 10times a day, but its real.

Patiently Waiting though...

Someone has gone as far as busting this guy's scams all the way to Facebook and other platforms and people are still giving him the benefit of doubt. It's only normal for him to keep trying to save face.
Here are my finished goods and let me say this clearly Adewunmi contacted me first on my MTN to make enquiries about my product. I called him on GLO line when the insults started to stop him from calling me names (still thinking he was a genuine buyer). I repeat, I do not have any reason to call this boy 10 times like you stated. What's the desperation for? If one customer doesn't buy, others will.

The picture now clears the OP.
The truth is Adewumi guy might not be an outright scammer but just an opportunist who wanted to intimidate the lady by threatening to defame her on Nairaland in other to get free recharge card.

In as much as its not a full blown scam but that is how it starts. Next, he might ask that products to be sent to him before he pays, and most times they don't.

I am an online merchant based in Lagos, only offer POD for customers in Lagos, Abuja and Port Harcourt.
If u must get my product outside these locations, its either u send someone to come pick up or u pay before I send.

Elhayjay:
can't U read where she said I will pay money into her account.it is not pay on delivery.it is pay and deliver.delivery on pay.so,I should have sent the money with those images abi.this happen ed on Tuesday and why didn't send in what she promised to send to me even here on nairaland.Ma a tan ara e.

Pay and Deliver -------> Oshogbo


Pay on Delivery -------> Lagos

Tjakes:

Someone has gone as far as busting this guy's scams all the way to Facebook and other platforms and people are still giving him the benefit of doubt. It's only normal for him to keep trying to save face.
Here are my finished goods and let me say this clearly Adewunmi contacted me first on my MTN to make enquiries about my product. I called him on GLO line when the insults started to stop him from calling me names (still thinking he was a genuine buyer). I repeat, I do not have any reason to call this boy 10 times like you stated. What's the desperation for? If one customer doesn't buy, others will.

With these pictures, I'd like to buy 2 dozens ma.

guntranno:


With these pictures, I'd like to buy 2 dozens ma.

God bless you sis. Are you in Lagos?

Tjakes:

God bless you sis. Are you in Lagos?

Abuja but I have my sis address you can send it to in Lagos

Elhayjay:
I was banned.that was why I was unable to reply since. I still maintain that this is my wife account which we both make use on the health section to make some findings.It is a thing you can all confirm.I will be grateful if you can all understand.If I ever scam anyone,I am sure someone will have identified me immeaditely.I will appreciate if you can look things from my own side of view.It is a case of the hunter become hunted.I swear with my life that I never scam in my life.About the information someone here culled from my Facebook. Is there a crime in buying a laptop?is there a crime in engaging myself in online registration business before the national youth service?the hooks up matter was in 2013 and this is 2016.about the rector issue,my school was on strike then and people were asking for his no that they will like to talk to the rector(about the lingering strike) to call off the strike. With what you saw there,the people I am communicating with know that I was only joking and you don't have to take that up against me please or did anyone tell you I actually pretended to be the rector of the school.Infact nobody called me because everybody knows me in that group.If I ever scam anyone,may almighty God judge me.I was interested in what she posted that she need people to buy her coconut oil which could generate profit for someone but she was unable to convince me. She sent only the images of empty bottles to me.I asked her to send even if it is just one of the finished products but she refused. She told me she will send it the following day but I was not convince enough.I was like how will you not have one of your products you have been selling because when I called her,she didn't tell me she is just starting up the business.I actually told her she could be one of the people who don't have anything to offer but actually collect money from the gullible ones.I even asked her if she would have sent the empty bottles for me if I have paid before shipping the items to me.Since she told me that she will be shipping out then items to different states from Lagos on Thursday,definitely she have been in the system and should have the image sample of her products.You can get some of our chats on the screenshot she attached to her allegation.Because she is a lady does not mean she can't do a scam.She have been posting different kind of job opportunities in nairaland job section,I asked her to prove to me from her recent achievement she got from those posts but she was unable.That also made me suspicious which brought out the anger in me.I told her I am coming to nairaland to report her nefarious activities here but unfortunately she was here before me and she flooded nairaland with my details and pictures.Please nairalanders,I am not into scam.I don't do it.People here should reason along with me.There is no how I will just pick someone no here and begin to call for recharge cards.It is never done.I beg you in the name of God,don't tarnish my reputation.You can only do that if there is anybody that claim I have in one way or the other swindle them even if its a naira.There is nothing worse than tarnishing someone image.Please,try and reason with me.You can carry out investigations about me.I am not a cheat.e o ni ri alakoba ni ile aye Yin.Run an investigation on me please before you soil my name here because a soiled name here will take a long way to be redeemed.I am not begging anyone here.I just want people to conduct an investigation about me.Even if the mod thinks this is frontpage worthy,let him do investigation about me before he do that please.I am not into scam.The lady in question here is just the type that his husband will catch sleeping with his brother and immeaditely burst into tear that the brother wants to rape her.I called the lady yesterday to challenge her but throughout the call duration, she was just shouting at me on top of her voice and she didn't allow me to utter some words.I beg you in the name of God,I am not into scam and if probably anyone here want to spoil my reputation,he should conduct an investigation on me before he or she do that.thank you.If I am into scam,there is no how I will tell her my real name when I first called her and there is no how I will chat with her with my wife phone and called her for the first time with my own number knowing fully well she is a nairalander.

Adewunmi, you should stop arguing at this point. If I was Lying against you, the findings made on Facebook about you claiming to be the Rector of a Polytechnic, are those lies too? Like I said on the phone, you wanted to play a smart one on me and it boomeranged in your face. I knew you had a hidden agenda when you called me yesterday morning with a PRIVATE NUMBER, sounding so gentle,different from the person that I spoke with 2 days ago who was hurling insults without a care in the world. You wanted to come back to gloat that you challenged me on the phone, you did not do anything of such, you were sober and gentle. It is a good thing I recorded the conversation. Mods, please I cant seem to post the Phone Record here, keeps giving error message. Can anybody help?

guntranno:


Abuja but I have my sis address you can send it to in Lagos

Alright. Will PM you with my number.

Tjakes:

Adewunmi, you should stop arguing at this point. If I was Lying against you, the findings made on Facebook about you claiming to be the Rector of a Polytechnic, are those lies too? Like I said on the phone, you wanted to play a smart one on me and it boomeranged in your face. I knew you had a hidden agenda when you called me yesterday morning with a PRIVATE NUMBER, sounding so gentle,different from the person that I spoke with 2 days ago who was hurling insults without a care in the world. You wanted to come back to gloat that you challenged me on the phone, you did not do anything of such, you were sober and gentle. It is a good thing I recorded the conversation. Mods, please I cant seem to post the Phone Record here, keeps giving error message. Can anybody help?

You can upload it on Dropbox and share a link here as an option...

looks like Ade will be doing some time in the dreaded Nigerian prisons

I believe the thread starter 100%

I just hate it when men who should know better try to shut a woman up thru threats and insults. Why would this man call her an Olosho? He asked for pick up address, she gave him, asked for picture, she gave him, no wonder he is asking for recharge card, thinking she is too silly to oblige him.

Kobo-kobo thief

ladyF:
I actually think he could be telling the truth. All the other pictures the OP posted were whatsapp chats and there was no request for MTN credit there. The one where Adewumi was allegedly asking her for MTN credit was a text message. So I can understand if he says he didn't send the text messages requesting for credit as SMSs could very well be doctored. Plus sending pictures of a dark person holding empty bottles when she is fair too is a big question mark. Adewumi has his own "comma" too.

Let me follow the thread and learn sha. Someone I even used to call my friend wanted to scam me yesterday. This life sha!!!

Please read the thread from the beginning. He called on the phone requesting for the product, told him they come in 500ml bottles, finished package will be ready the following day. He said he just needed to see the size of the bottle, which I sent to him. Now I know why he insisted on seeing the size. He needed something something to hold on to so I could fall for his cheap blackmail.

As for the text message, I attached it in my Original Post and I will attach it again.

This is just a case of mistrust, impatience and misunderstanding gone wrong. Both of them are right and wrong.

The op didn't initially have proof enough to convince the accused that she had the goods she was selling; especially since she expects payment before delivery. Sending empty bottles with strange hands can raise anyone's suspicion. she can be deemed a scammer by the accused by the accused and truly would have wanted to smartly negate that by coming online first.

However, coming online first only gives the op a head start, what is nailing the accused is the text message he sent to the op. From the text msg ( if true), the accused isn't a scammer but a blackmailer , they are different. He wanted to (as a sharp guy, as evidenced by his antecedents) get money from the op in exchange for not coming online with a scammer story he has discovered. He may truly feel he has found another online scammer, but asking for money shifts the blame on his head and it will.be difficult to extricate himself from that one.

I bumped into this thread from the start and what I felt was the issue then is what I still.maintain, and it's what I've stated here.

Ade is not a saint, but I don't trust the OP sha

Love ur products. Will contact u as soon as the need arises. Is ur office in MCCE shopping plaza?

Tjakes:

Someone has gone as far as busting this guy's scams all the way to Facebook and other platforms and people are still giving him the benefit of doubt. It's only normal for him to keep trying to save face.
Here are my finished goods and let me say this clearly Adewunmi contacted me first on my MTN to make enquiries about my product. I called him on GLO line when the insults started to stop him from calling me names (still thinking he was a genuine buyer). I repeat, I do not have any reason to call this boy 10 times like you stated. What's the desperation for? If one customer doesn't buy, others will.

Elhayjay:
Then you should also tell the whole world while you called me with these two numbers.U are a liar and the lord will deal with you.with the pictures you see,do I look like a hungry fellow that live on recharge cards.I am not just happy with the comments have been seeing because they don't depict wisdom at all.if a reasonable person should think about this matter,definitely they will know you are a scammer and a liar

Hmm.... bros....abi Na gal... You Na d real TIFF! So far, for all the pics posted, na only you demand for payment in d most notorious way - blackmail. She ask u for money in any way before she ll deliver d product? Which TIFF go give her legit address? Which TIFF? ANSA Na! But I sabi plenty tiff wey go threaten unless they are given recharge card. I sabi plenty tiff that are female by day but male by night! Plenty claim to even work for SSS too.


Go and hide o, before nemesis go catch you sharply. TIFF.

Just like u were quickb to calling the op a scammer? Even if u had been a victim of scammers, u did not give her a chance cos ur mind was made up on ur intentions. And the fact that u requested a recharge card stands strongly against u.

Elhayjay:
The problem with nairalander is that they crucify someone immeaditely an allegation is raised not hearing the other aide of the story.I see it daily here and that's not too good.we are fast in condemning people and arriving at a conclusion without doing proper investigation.will all this scene have arise if the op have sent the ready made products of her goods with the label?definitely no.even she should have sent an image that shows how this thing is being produced may be in the factory or in the lab or does she want to use my own money to test-run her new business though she told me when I first called her that she have been in the business for long.why are you people quick at judging someone here?can't you ask the op some questions too?why are you so fast in crucifying me?una know me before or what?why will a good entrepreneur send an ordinary bottles to convince his or her clients? What of the production stage either in the room or the factory or wherever?what of the stickers or label or don't she have one at all she can show me?you guys are not doing good by not asking cf hee questions! And someone is quick to run to my Facebook and screenshot my picture to post here.It is well.I think this is the right time I just become a guest here.If I run a bank account or nairaland account with my wife,how is that a sin or fraud or can't you see in health section that I always say on behalf of my wife anytime I am asking questions.My wife is still a student and she is always busy.So,I show her the feedback I get whenever I ask a question on her behalf or sometimes she read by herself.

Biz deal gone awry, Elias u no try,madam Op next time no upload picture of a black hand when u yellow like over ripe paw-paw.


Elias the rector cum loverboi cum married man,bury ya head in shame

treasuredkids:
Love ur products. Will contact u as soon as the need arises. Is ur office in MCCE shopping plaza?

No I work from home in Gbagada.

treasuredkids:
Love ur products. Will contact u as soon as the need arises. Is ur office in MCCE shopping plaza?

No I work from home in Gbagada. Close to the plaza

semitunde:
This is just a case of mistrust, impatience and misunderstanding gone wrong. Both of them are right and wrong.

The op didn't initially have proof enough to convince the accused that she had the goods she was selling; especially since she expects payment before delivery. Sending empty bottles with strange hands can raise anyone's suspicion. she can be deemed a scammer by the accused by the accused and truly would have wanted to smartly negate that by coming online first.

However, coming online first only gives the op a head start, what is nailing the accused is the text message he sent to the op. From the text msg ( if true), the accused isn't a scammer but a blackmailer , they are different. He wanted to (as a sharp guy, as evidenced by his antecedents) get money from the op in exchange for not coming online with a scammer story he has discovered. He may truly feel he has found another online scammer, but asking for money shifts the blame on his head and it will.be difficult to extricate himself from that one.

I bumped into this thread from the start and what I felt was the issue then is what I still.maintain, and it's what I've stated here.

I wonder what is it about the strange hands everybody keeps talking about? It could be any body's hands in my house, moreover the pic was taken at night which accounts for the dark hands. The only mistake I made here was I was too quick to send pictures when the products weren't 100% ready, should have waited till the following day when the products were ready before I sent the pics (which I promised him to do the following day but he insisted on seeing the SIZE). didnt know he had a hidden agenda

I wonder how persuation to purchase products becomes scamming. What if a male friend of the OP helped to hold the bottle and snapped the pix. She also stated that the finished product will be ready you should have waited for her to upload that.

I would also do the payment before sending goods option if I am sending you osogbo and I don't have a payment on delivery service there.

What I don't understand is the name calling/ insults. If you suspected she was not real you just move on instead of threatening her because from all these conversations she really has not done anything wrong.

semitunde:
This is just a case of mistrust, impatience and misunderstanding gone wrong. Both of them are right and wrong.

The op didn't initially have proof enough to convince the accused that she had the goods she was selling; especially since she expects payment before delivery. Sending empty bottles with strange hands can raise anyone's suspicion. she can be deemed a scammer by the accused by the accused and truly would have wanted to smartly negate that by coming online first.

However, coming online first only gives the op a head start, what is nailing the accused is the text message he sent to the op. From the text msg ( if true), the accused isn't a scammer but a blackmailer , they are different. He wanted to (as a sharp guy, as evidenced by his antecedents) get money from the op in exchange for not coming online with a scammer story he has discovered. He may truly feel he has found another online scammer, but asking for money shifts the blame on his head and it will.be difficult to extricate himself from that one.

I bumped into this thread from the start and what I felt was the issue then is what I still.maintain, and it's what I've stated here.

I wonder what is it about the strange hands everybody keeps talking about? It could be any body's hands in my house, moreover the pic was taken at night which accounts for the dark hands. The only mistake I made here was I was too quick to send pictures when the products weren't 100% ready, should have waited till the following day when the products were ready before I sent the pics (which I promised him to do the following day but he insisted on seeing the SIZE). didnt know he had a hidden agenda.

ladyF:

You can upload it on Dropbox and share a link here as an option...

looks like Ade will be doing some time in the dreaded Nigerian prisons

Lady F, I'm browsing from my phone, not getting the Dropbox link stuff. Please leave your whatsapp and delete immediately. Will send to you there.

Tjakes:

I wonder what is it about the strange hands everybody keeps talking about? It could be any body's hands in my house, moreover the pic was taken at night which accounts for the dark hands. The only mistake I made here was I was too quick to send pictures when the products weren't 100% ready, should have waited till the following day when the products were ready before I sent the pics (which I promised him to do the following day but he insisted on seeing the SIZE). didnt know he had a hidden agenda.

Yes it truly could be anybody's hands, but that can't stop anyone from drawing suspicion from it. Just like you can draw suspicion from him using his supposed wife's phone and account. He can also say that's not supposed to be a big deal. See the different perspective?

The lesson here is not to do anything that would bring up suspicion. You admit that you were impatient in posting the empty bottles, and while I understand this can happen to anyone who wants to sell her goods, it still has brought suspicion whether you like it or not. Things only cleared up after you posted the complete product.

If the accused is a blackmailer/scammer, he would need something to hold unto, you gave him that "something".

semitunde:


Yes it truly could be anybody's hands, but that can't stop anyone from drawing suspicion from it. Just like you can draw suspicion from him using his supposed wife's phone and account. He can also say that's not supposed to be a big deal. See the different perspective?

The lesson here is not to do anything that would bring up suspicion. You admit that you were impatient in posting the empty bottles, and while I understand this can happen to anyone who wants to sell her goods, it still has brought suspicion whether you like it or not. Things only cleared up after you posted the complete product.

If the accused is a blackmailer/scammer, he would need something to hold unto, you gave him that "something".

Trying to promote products before 100% packaging doesn't equate scam, that's impatience. I didn't promise that products are ready for delivery that night, not even the following day. I said Thursday. I didnt ask him for money, I didn't send him my account number. I told him the moment he called to make enquiries about the product that the finished products are not ready yet, if he didn't believe my story he should have just moved on without asking for pictures, he just wanted something as evidence so he could label me a scammer, thereby blackmailing me in the process .

Tjakes:

Trying to promote products before 100% packaging doesn't equate scam, that's impatience. I didn't promise that products are ready for delivery that night, not even the following day. I said Thursday. I didnt ask him for money, I didn't send him my account number. I told him the moment he called to make enquiries about the product that the finished products are not ready yet, if he didn't believe my story he should have just moved on without asking for pictures, he just wanted something as evidence so he could label me a scammer, thereby blackmailing me in the process .

What I'm blaming you for is that impatience ( and naivety). What you consider as not scam can be considered as scam by someone else, even if they are wrong. The onus is on you ( as the person trying to do business) to remove such suspicion.

Point is, you should learn from this going forward. I'm trying not to side any of you guys here. Mr Ade has said he doesn't own the text. As much as I don't believe that, it would be sad if he's telling the truth. But then, we wouldn't be on this thread if he hadn't threatened you an hinged his threat on empty bottles held by "strange" hands.

I hope you understand. I'm doing somethings while typing so excuse any typos.

semitunde:


What I'm blaming you for is that impatience ( and naivety). What you consider as not scam can be considered as scam by someone else, even if they are wrong. The onus is on you ( as the person trying to do business) to remove such suspicion.

Point is, you should learn from this going forward. I'm trying not to side any of you guys here. Mr Ade has said he doesn't own the text. As much as I don't believe that, it would be sad if he's telling the truth. But then, we wouldn't be on this thread if he hadn't threatened you an hinged his threat on empty bottles held by "strange" hands.

I hope you understand. I'm doing somethings while typing so excuse any typos.

I know you are trying to be 'neutral' bit this doesn't sound neutral at all. I came on Nairaland to warn others from falling into the net of scammers/blackmailers like Adewunmi. If I had anything to 'hide' like you insinuated I wouldn't have been bold enough to come online with chat details and all. And point of correction, I'm not naive, was only impatient. Ok

Tjakes:

I know you are trying to be 'neutral' bit this doesn't sound neutral at all. I came on Nairaland to warn others from falling into the net of scammers/blackmailers like Adewunmi. If I had anything to 'hide' like you insinuated I wouldn't have been bold enough to come online with chat details and all. And point of correction, I'm not naive, was only impatient. Ok

OK. If you feel so.

Becareful why doing biz with Nigerian's. 90% of them are fraudster & a scam

All odds point to Mr Adewumi as the scammer/blackmailer, Maybe MTN could be contacted to proof the authenticity of the message in order to prove otherwise.