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Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by kaka74: 6:31pm On May 20, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


I am saying that people can learn scientific principles in their native tongue. So a teacher who can communicate in a native dialect can teach in the native tongue of the child.

Bro see understand this I studied abroad russia to be precise it jst like english dey start teaching u from primary school nah common abc nd d rest its all part of dem and its the official language, dey learn every subject in dat language jst like we do with english be sincere how can you teach physics in hausa are u genius ? Won't you use a textbook? Dat textbook will it be written in hausa? Reason am
Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by fabre4: 6:31pm On May 20, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


Stop all these, families are going through pain and they are praying for their children's return.

Things like these can deflect attention from them while the families and friends go through pain.

We need to put pressure on the government to help reduce the pains of the families.





so who is to be blamed for the probable scam
Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by alolatee(m): 6:31pm On May 20, 2016
While growing up in my SS3 days in college, i remembered i could not express myself properly in English which is a major problem of English as a second speaking countries which Nigeria falls to.But, i understand all my subjects taught in Eenglish.While it may be true some students cannot express themselves in English but can write correct and good English which i fell into then, i still want to believe an SS3 student should need no interpretation when being questioned in English as the rest NL'ers have said.Kogi is no more an Educationally Less Developed State.It had been removed some few years ago contrary to what a poster alluded Kogi Is poor educationally.

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Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by OHOnairaland: 6:33pm On May 20, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


Stop all these, families are going through pain and they are praying for their children's return.

Things like these can deflect attention from them while the families and friends go through pain.

We need to put pressure on the government to help reduce the pains of the families.

Joe save us the crap. U are really out to defend this scam. Who paid u to do so and for how much?

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Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by dominion001(m): 6:33pm On May 20, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


The teachers will obviously help them communicate their answers. That is why there is the word "CHALLENGE" in Educationally Challenged.

It I a challenge for the students and teachers.
will d teacher also help her write down d answers or d teacher will be spelling d words while she write them down. Or maybe she can write fluently in english but cant speak abi?
Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:33pm On May 20, 2016
Ndifereke:


The embolden is where you are getting it wrong. People's issue is not that Amina can't communicate PROPERLY in English, but that she can't communicate AT ALL in English, not even in Pidgin. Two different scenarios.

There are many Educationally Challenged people in Nigeria who can not communicate properly in English or Pidgin in SS3.

I remember in my secondary school where many of us scored very high to gain admission. A lot of Northern boys came with full scholarships with cut off marks not up to 1/4 of our scores.

There are remote areas that need a lot of educational assistance. It I not the kids fault but the absolute neglect from our so called leaders.
Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by Ndifereke: 6:33pm On May 20, 2016
Topiipii:

I am quoting you because your name indicates that you're either from Akwa-Ibom or Crossriver. I served in A/Ibom, Adadia in Uruan LGA and there were students who can't speak English at all, I taught three subjects one of which is Physics and during the exam they didn't know what to write (you're free to doubt this though, but there's only one Sec. Sch. in Adadia if you want to confirm).
My point is this: they will sit for the exam because their results from the previous classes were padded in order for them to gain promotion, but they will not pass even with cheating most times because they won't be able to write anything meaningful (sitting for an exam and passing it are two different things); this is the reason we usually have massive failures in the rural areas. States like the one described above are referred to as Educationally Less Developed States (ELDS) for a reason.

You are missing the point, bro. Those students you taught that you opined can't write anything meaningful can at LEAST understand ordinary Pidgin language. Amina can't write, speak or even understand English Language talk more of Pidgin. These are two different scenarios.

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Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by ajadematanle: 6:34pm On May 20, 2016
For every doubters of Chibok girls abduction.The same calamity that befall their families will come to your doorstep.Your children would go out and would not return home.But if
it was a scam ,for pointing it out,you would be rewarded wonderfully by almighty God.
Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:35pm On May 20, 2016
OHOnairaland:

Joe save us the crap. U are really out to defend this scam. Who paid u to do so and for how much?

If I am a paid poster sponsored by President Buhari, can I make these kind of comments?


TheGoodJoe:
These people are really joking with the lives of Nigerians. Imagine this man saying they engaged shootouts with no body count or arrest. What were they shooting, blank bullets?

It is baffling that the President is yet to speak and condemn the attacks. This makes whatever integrity President Buhari has worthless.

Very soon, some people's Cup will be full.

One Day, Bush Meat Will catch the hunter.

TheGoodJoe:
When the Government is not ready to defend the people, the people will defend themselves.

President Buhari, be a President. Be the Soldier who swore to protect the lives of Nigerians. Condemn this publicly.
https://www.nairaland.com/3071124/attackers-engaged-policemen-soldiers-shoot-out

If you do not know, do not act as if you know.

This is not about ethnic or tribal sentiments. It is about getting these young girls home to their families and friends.
Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by Ndifereke: 6:36pm On May 20, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


There are many Educationally Challenged people in Nigeria who can not communicate properly in English or Pidgin in SS3.

I remember in my secondary school where many of us scored very high to gain admission. A lot of Northern boys came with full scholarships with cut off marks not up to 1/4 of our scores.

There are remote areas that need a lot of educational assistance. It I not the kids fault but the absolute neglect from our so called leaders.

Unlike those Educationally Challenged people, Amina can't communicate AT ALL. Big difference.
Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by Jesusloveyou: 6:36pm On May 20, 2016
Iykopeeee:
My only question is; how come a 13yr old sat for WAEC? Can anybody break it down pls?
u must be a 13yrs old kid to believe 19yrs old girl is 13yrs. go get some sense

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Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by michade(m): 6:37pm On May 20, 2016
Oga cramjones, Where did you do your youth service ?..I served in the north and I can tell you that there were lot of ss3 student who could not write their names let alone speak pikin . To your number point I'd say is very possible .

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Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by knightsTempler: 6:38pm On May 20, 2016
"Rescued with her kidnapper". News

How does it sound in your ear? "rescued WITH her kidnapper".

No No No. They did not say FROM her kidnapper.

Rescued WITH her kidnapper

Ogun wa gbue!!! Na Ogun go kill all these people.

-Ena
Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:40pm On May 20, 2016
kaka74:


Bro see understand this I studied abroad russia to be precise it jst like english dey start teaching u from primary school nah common abc nd d rest its all part of dem and its the official language, dey learn every subject in dat language jst like we do with english be sincere how can you teach physics in hausa are u genius ? Won't you use a textbook? Dat textbook will it be written in hausa? Reason am

From what I heard, most of these challenged kids are not tested on their English fluency but if they understand the principles.

They do not answer in English but the teachers grade them from their understanding.

The corpers who handled these challenged kids are in best position to explain.

The point is that there are numerous Educationally Challenged kids that have written WAEC and will write WAEC.

It is a challenge thy cope with.
Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by Nobody: 6:40pm On May 20, 2016
Maybe that is her dopple ganger. From a distant universe
Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:41pm On May 20, 2016
Ndifereke:


Unlike those Educationally Challenged people, Amina can't communicate AT ALL. Big difference.

There are many who can not communicate at all.
Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by omakay(m): 6:42pm On May 20, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


By now, you should have known is not a scam. After CNN visited the town, showed the school and the destruction done. We are still talking scam. The CNN interviewed some of the families and shared their family pictures and you are still talking scam.

Thank God every body does not reason this way.

THIS IS A SPECIAL KIND OF SCAM.

There was actually a raid in the school by the boko haram sect.
About 300 girls were abducted.

But where the scam lies is that THERE WAS KNOWLEDGE OF THE ATTACK even before it happened.
It's like organising a bank robbery and also being a victim of the robbery at the same time.

APC/GMB/AntiJonathan Peeps planned the whole thing using BokoHaram as their tool.
Now the whole aim has being acheived and all these drama is only a CLEANUP EXERCISE.
Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:43pm On May 20, 2016
boujaye:
You are typing crap, are you saying WAEC is fake and has no integrity?

I am saying the laws and grading are different in these regions.
Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by nduchucks: 6:44pm On May 20, 2016
Fani-Kayode's alter ego should not be blamed for his post. These are not good times for Fani. smh

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Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by Jesusloveyou: 6:47pm On May 20, 2016
Ndifereke:

You are missing the point, bro. Those students you taught that you opined can't write anything meaningful can at LEAST understand ordinary Pidgin language. Amina can't write, speak or even understand English Language talk more of Pidgin. These are two different scenarios.
did they ask her question in pidgin? for she to answer in pidgin,

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Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:51pm On May 20, 2016
omakay:


THIS IS A SPECIAL KIND OF SCAM.

There was actually a raid in the school by the boko haram sect.
About 300 girls were abducted.

But where the scam lies is that THERE WAS KNOWLEDGE OF THE ATTACK even before it happened.
It's like organising a bank robbery and also being a victim of the robbery at the same time.

APC/GMB/AntiJonathan Peeps planned the whole thing using BokoHaram as their tool.
Now the whole aim has being acheived and all these drama is only a CLEANUP EXERCISE.


It is totally more than what you are insinuating. This is bigger than a political stunt. Thousands of Lives lost. Communities wiped out and families wiped out forever.

Chibok Girls tale is just a small piece of the havoc that took place. The boys who lost their lives in FGC Buni Yadi did not have their stories told or their faces on TV.

The hundreds of girls and women rescued from Sambisa Forest did not get Presidential reception.

Look at Sarah Luka. The girl rescued yesterday. No one cares because she is not among the Chibok listed Girls.

The Chibok story brought help and awaking a sleeping government. It is more than a Political clean up.

This is a message that terrorism is a cancer and we should not let it grow. No matter the region or religion it raises it's ugly head from.

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Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by Topiipii(m): 6:54pm On May 20, 2016
Ndifereke:


You are missing the point, bro. Those students you taught that you opined can't write anything meaningful can at LEAST understand ordinary Pidgin language. Amina can't write, speak or even understand English Language talk more of Pidgin. These are two different scenarios.
I was hoping you wouldn't say this as I intentionally left it out of my last post. I am telling you that I had students who would reply me in Ibibio after I ask them questions, the scenario is this: Me, interpreters being the students who at least can communicate in passable to decent English and then the student. My question as well as the student's response goes through the interpreters everytime, sounds unbelievable isn't it?
As to this student, she even lives in a place where there are less English/Pidgin 'speakers' than A/Ibom meaning that her case is worse, now add two years during which I'm certain she did not speak the language (assuming she understands a little before her captivity) what do you think will happen? I lived in Enugu between 1995 and 1998, my sisters for a 2yrs and 8months; despite the fact that we were all born and had schooled in Lagos before we left, they had trouble speaking and understanding the language when they got back (they had never spoken English in their life before leaving Lagos other than the compulsory alphabet and spelling learnt in school, we speak Yoruba at home and at all times). The reason for this is that they spent a little more than two years speaking English/Pidgin in Enugu (82 Div., Abakpa Cantonment), even to our dad once they picked up the language. I fared better because I was already reading and writing in Yoruba, continued reading and writing and also took Yoruba in school which they did not. Now compare my sisters who were native speakers to this lady who probably understood a few words before her abduction and tell me if she would have fared any better.

The fault is not that of the students, it is as a result of one the most backward educational system currently in existence. I would have loved to create a thread where former NYSC members can share their experiences, but I don't know if it will get the kind of traction I'd like; believe me you'd be shocked at what you'll read, even in the so-called 'Educationally Advanced States'.

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Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by hausameat: 6:56pm On May 20, 2016
TheGoodJoe:
Kai My guy, you failed me big time with this post. Simple reasoning will answer your questions.

There are northern sections that are educationally challenged and they do not operate educationally the way other sections do.

NYSC former members have verified that there are a lot of SS3 students in the North who can not speak English.

I am yet to see a concrete report that says Amina can not speak English at all. She is more comfortable in her native tongue.

If the army shows a hundred Aminas dead, does it prove that this girl is not Amina?

She was identified by members of her community who knew her. She talked in the market Square. The Vice Principal of the school described her as a quiet and humble girl.

Her mum is with her. Yet you are spreading what I do not understand.

This is one of your weakest posts.
Alah, you are indeed one of the most senior zombies. Why not ask her to come in channel, ait etc to speak english. How on earth can an ss111 girl cannot speak English? How, then can she write exams set in English langiage?
Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by asid(m): 6:56pm On May 20, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


The Hausas in the educationally challenged regions have been coping and they will continue to cope. They have their means to test the understanding of the principles being thought.

Just as a Chinese man who can not speak English can understand physics principles or a German who can not speak or write in English can understand Chemical laws and theories.

So is your problem the educational challenges some Northern communities face or is your problem the fact that a girl kidnapped, tortured and raped is found?

Thank God Amina Ali is alive and found.

#WelcomeBackAmina

I did a bit of my NYSC in Kebbi before redeploying to Lagos and except anyone has experienced the educational system in the north (some parts), people should stop this talk about she been in SS3 and not been able to speak or understand in English, don't jump on the bandwagon and type what you think you understand

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Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by donjayz321(m): 6:57pm On May 20, 2016
TheGoodJoe:
Kai My guy, you failed me big time with this post. Simple reasoning will answer your questions.

There are northern sections that are educationally challenged and they do not operate educationally the way other sections do.

NYSC former members have verified that there are a lot of SS3 students in the North who can not speak English.

I am yet to see a concrete report that says Amina can not speak English at all. She is more comfortable in her native tongue.

If the army shows a hundred Aminas dead, does it prove that this girl is not Amina?

She was identified by members of her community who knew her. She talked in the market Square. The Vice Principal of the school described her as a quiet and humble girl.

Her mum is with her. Yet you are spreading what I do not understand.

This is one of your weakest posts.
Kindly read between the lines... This is an acted script
Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by Ndifereke: 6:57pm On May 20, 2016
Jesusloveyou:
did they ask her question in pidgin? for she to answer in pidgin,

The one they asked her in English did she answer it without a translator?
Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by Leebeedo(m): 6:58pm On May 20, 2016
I think Amina is actually a chibok girl but isn't a student sitting for WAEC exam. So many people were kidnapped from chibok before and after the school "incident". They just gathered names of missing young girls in chibok and then used the school incident to front their aim.
Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by asid(m): 7:01pm On May 20, 2016
TheGoodJoe
I hardly comment on Nairaland by I think you need not explain further as I have observed a lot of people here are "set in their ways", wisdom is profitable but sadly only to a reasonable few!

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Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by Jesusloveyou: 7:03pm On May 20, 2016
fabre4:

so who is to be blamed for the probable scam
ineffectual buffoon, he allow the scam to take place, that is why he never give a dawn till tomoro, that is why he was insensitive from day one, if it had happen in pmb time, within 2months it would have be over
Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:06pm On May 20, 2016
asid:
TheGoodJoe
I hardly comment on Nairaland by I think you need not explain further as I have observed a lot of people here are "set in their ways", wisdom is profitable but sadly only to a reasonable few!

Please explain further on what issue?

Is it about the whole topic?
Re: Why There Are Doubts That A REAL Chibok Girl Was Found - Cramjones by Nobody: 7:06pm On May 20, 2016
cramjones:
While I believe that Chibok girls were kidnapped, in addition to hundreds more that the media never really focused on as the sensation that met the Chibok abduction, I have reasons to believe the girl being paraded might just be a scam to justify all the foreign aid that have been poured in for their rescue. Or a political tool to increase favorability ratings in this trying times. I hope it is real, but there are pores in this narrative to make one have some degree of doubt. Here are two reasons why I think we should all ask real and factual questions.


1. According to the official report, Amina and her colleagues were in school to sit for physics WAEC exams. She was an SS III student. The Amina that was "rescued" can cannot speak in English. She is being translated even when English is spoken to her. Do we have a Hausa version of physics? Was she really a student? Or is she simply a fake?

2. Two years ago, someone whol looks exactly like Amina was paraded by the military with a bomb strapped around her, as one of the child suicide bomber Boko Haram had sent to cause havoc. Is this just a coincidence or is that girl really Amina 2 years younger that the Amina that resurfaced two years later as a rescued girl. Kindly examine the picture and make your conclusions. What are the odds in a country of 180 million people that two girls connected with Boko Haram would look exactly alike? (Refer to the pictures)

3. Think about it, in a rescue operation of about 200 girls, is it possible that just one can be rescued at a time? I understand they maybe in splinter groups, but the army rescuing just one is very very doubtful. Amina Ali was kidnapped no doubt, but was she even a student? Was she just rescued now. Why does she look exactly like the girl kidnapped by Boko Haram that was strapped with a bomb?

There have been so many scams with Boko Haram. From a few individuals stealing 2.1billion $ to Generals carting away millions of USD in private jets, to Mama Peace becoming a Nollywood sensation on her "there is God o" mantra. I just hope that this is not another scam.


-CramJones

it is now official that people like this op are the ones who secretly wish these girls are not found so that 2morow they can scream and wail buhari is this and that....

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